Bluff called
President Obama said the following at a town hall meeting/100th day in office sermon:
“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”
Strange that Obama could so easily reference something he was unaware of, but nonetheless, tea party organizers are taking the president up on the offer (they say “accepted his offer” because “called his bluff” sounds too harsh for hope):
The National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition today accepted President Obama`s invitation “to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”
The invitation was extended by the President at a Town Hall Meeting held in Arnold, Missouri today. Michael Patrick Leahy, a member of the National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, said “We want to broaden the scope to address the President`s runaway march to socialist-statism, and the rampant across the board irresponsible spending he is promoting with his $787 Billion Stimulus Plan and his $1 Trillion Annual Deficit, his takeover of General Motors, Chrysler and the Banks.”
The rest of that press release is here.
Of course, the president’s “invitation” was of the “kiss my royal butt” variety, so don’t expect an actual meeting to come from any of this.
You’ll notice how the entire tea party movement is being dismissed as a Fox News stunt, which anyone who’s followed this since the beginning knows is a complete pile of Pelosi. As a matter of fact, didn’t this whole thing, at least in part, get rolling because of Santelli’s “rant” on CNBC?
One frustration for the left that lingers from the Tax Day tea parties is that when the liberal sock-puppet media did show up, they were only fishing for wackos to discredit the tea party movement and instead ended up providing everyone with laughable examples of their own bias.
Thanks though to the president for helping boost attendance on July 4th even higher than it would have otherwise been.
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If you are Obama you CAN have it both ways. Thankfully, I missed his entire sermon last night. I’ll just pop in a Jeremiah Wright CD and it will probably be about the same…
I wonder if he’ll send them on their merry way afterward with the same admonition as he did with the Republicans who presented ideas about budgets?
“I won”….now get outta here.
Hundreds of Tea Party protesters greeted Dear Leader. Pics at Gateway Pundit. The cheap shot reflects his concern, in part no doubt at the prospect of seeing similar crowds of protesters at every public appearance.
Let’s not disappoint him.
Holding my breath.
Revive me when this happens.
The level to which this man has lowered the Office of the President is staggering.
His problem appears to be that he *needs* everyone to love him. How about caring a little more for what is best for the country and not your EGO Mr. President?
Is he aware of anything but himself?
It is inadvisable to “take him up on his offer”. By doing so they are accepting the premise that the tea parties are about healthcare and social security. They are not. They are about our government’s complete disregard for the constitution and utter contempt for the governed.
To accept the offer is to sell out and to socialize the debate, handing the government all the trumps.
Has duh1 checked with TOTUS to see if this was OK?
I’m so glad that they have accepted his offer for a dialogue, let’s hope it’s not a one-sided conversation. We’ll see then how bi-partisan he really is. My take on his reference to the tea parties was that he was really using the opportunity to disparage and dismiss the movement, this is his moment to prove otherwise. Not holding my breath.
“…which anyone who’s followed this since the beginning knows is a complete pile of Pelosi.”
I believe the correct term is a “pile of Couric”.
Odumba feigning ignorance in 3..2..1..
The president and his fellow tyrants in Congress despise We the People, and that is the wrong emotion. They should fear us.
Sic Semper Tyrannus
b-cat,
Your comment (#7) is spot on!
I hope Obambi keeps it up. More people are getting angry and letting it be known that they don’t like being called idiots. Just keep looking down on all of us taxpaying, America loving pee-ons and he will be a one term socialist.
I shall now sometimes refer to myself as Elizabeth Edwards because Obama makes me “throw up”!! Yet, unlike her, I have no choice but to endure this douchebag man for 3 more years.
From the site:
You don’t think something that consumes around 50% of our budget has anything to do with fiscal responsibility and/or limited government?
On the 4th of July the streets should swell with liberty loving people that despise the yolk this socialist government is placing around the necks of future generations. He is opposed by nearly half of the citizens of this country and his media propaganda machines cannot change this fact.
I was thinking just that, the tea party movement is about expansion of government and the enormous spending and debt. If indeed that’s all this idiot thinks the tea party movement is about, it just shows how out of touch he really is. The only thing this narcissistic clown cares about is his ego and getting his anti-American agenda passed as quickly as possible. The damage he has done in such a shot time will take many years if ever to reverse.
And I’m off on the 4th, so I can be there.
Of course, what are the odds some “crisis” or “emergency” will “force” the Obama administration to cancel 4th of July celebrations? Or just outright prohibit large gatherings?
Chap, you’re reaching. You’re better than that.
It’s all about you, isn’t it Mr. Obama? Hey, anything good on ESPN yesterday?
Dexter–no. He’s not.
I think what makes me the angriest of anything is Obama’s arrogant dismissal of a huge portion of the population that he is suuposed to represent. He is the President of the United States. Last I heard, that included those who disagree with him. He acts like he is in junior high school…if you don’t follow his lead and agree with him, you can’t sit at the “cool kids” table. For him to go out in public and display such arrogant, smarmy disregard for our feelings and opinions is disgusting. He is not acting like a president…or a leader. He is acting like a spoiled brat who refuses to give an inch. I have never seen such a display of childishness in a supposed leader before…unless you count Kim Jong Il or Achma-sonofabitch, or Blago.
er, not better.
I think we are living in a real-life MATRIX. This must be what it feels like to be in a ’60s drug induced psychosis. Someone please tell me I’m dreaming.
On April 30th, 2009 at 9:18 am, b-cat said:
He purposely misinterpreted the tea parties. He wants us all to know, he doesn’t care why we were out there.
Last night was the only time the same show was on all the networks simultaneously, “Lie To Me”.
A most excellent idea–I just can not bring myself to watch the Sermons of He Who Has Come. The man does seem to get a lot of prime time coverage from his slobbering media whores.
Nice of them to tell US what OUR tea parties were about-the twits.
Huh? Reaching? Care to explain?
I mean go ahead, define the tea party movement any way you want, but I would suggest going in there with some objectives a little more concrete than “our government’s complete disregard for the constitution and utter contempt for the governed.” One of the criticisms always laid at the feet of left wing protests at the IMF or World Bank or whatever is you will have one protested holding up a sign calling for third world debt forgiveness and another saying that fur is murder and another with just a stupid “Anarchy” sign on it. The message is lost and the protests ineffective because there IS NO MESSAGE. Do you want to risk your movement just becoming a loose affiliation of people who simply feel disaffected with government? Cool. Hope you like the John Birchers and the Westboro folks and other such groups jumping in to join you. Hell, maybe you’ll get a few anarchists there as well.
I would think a focus on reforming the single biggest drivers of our federal spending would be an admirable and discrete objective.
Of course not. He won, so the 58 million Americans who didn’t vote for him no longer matter.
But, by all means, Mr. President, keep it up. This unfettered arrogance and condescension is going to work out so well for you in 2012.
happyscrapper
How are you today? Hope you’re feeling better.
These are good, comforting words from Obama.
What will they mean?
THE ONE has no trouble lying to the entire nation. Will he have trouble co-opting the TEA Party subset, or simply deceiving them while the steamrollers in the Senate and House keep a’rolling…?
Chapoutier-
You know the tea parties were organized in response to the massive “stimulus” spending, although if we could take down the social security thievery as well, I wouldn’t complain.
I have heard this same thing. Odumba is the best thing to happen to the conservative movement since Reagan. So, I guess in a way he is like Reagan.
Be back in a bit… guitar time.
Hmm…I sent another post earlier and it looked like it was accepted. But it is gone. I have never had a post deleted before. It could have been my misspelling of Achmadinnerjacket’s name into a swear word. If so, I do apologize. I was just saying how Obama is acting like those egomaniacs in other countries like Kim Jong Il, etc. If we don’t agree with him, he dismisses us as the “chattering peasants”. What’s next…prison for dissenters like they do in Cuba? The President of the United States is supposed to be President of ALL the people, not just those who agree with him. Who does he think he is??? The arrogance of this man knows no bounds. If he thinks we are going away, he is in for a huge surprise.
I assume that was the final straw, so to speak, but certainly if another stimuls package was never passed, you all would not stop caring about government spending, would you? Do you really think protesting future possible hypothetical stimulus packages is worthy of your time?
WOW! I skimmed through the first several posts above and my day is made! You guys are the best! Yes, we will NOT disappoint on July 4th.
Hurrah for rplatt and the rest of the gang! We are not going to be dumb, driven cattle. We are going to be heroes in the strife.
Chap,
The Tea Party I went to and the people there I met and this, including myself, was the Major theme. The Pork Bill, 9000 plus earmarks, the Pork Bill, the cost in the intrest alone let alone the money spent on everything under the sun, The Pork Bill, who is going to pay for it, the Pork Bill, knowing full well taxes are going to go up and with all the other half a$$ed schemes to add taxes on energy – how will we be able to afford it.
b-cat said it already. The Tea Parties were about protesting the out-of-control spending (how many trillions are we up to?), government overreaching (the president firing the CEO of GM), the march to Socialism (nationalizing the banks, car companies, etc.)…
Healthcare ‘reform’ is just one part of the totality of why people are angry about how gargantuan and intrusive into peoples’ lives Obama/Reid/Pelosi are making the government.
You are clearly a bad person now. Wouldn’t be shocked to hear you hold up a liquor store next.
Apparently Reverend Wright isn’t the only speaker to whom Obama doesn’t attend: Speaker Pelosi, Reid and several other prominent Democrats (as well as many of the trolls around here) have all claimed Social Security is “solvent” into perpetuity, and that it’s a Republican myth it needs “fixing.”
Putting the Government on notice that any future stimulus spending is not the people’s will, is definitely worthy of their time. The alternative would be to put up or shut up.
Thanks, b-cat! I am going to be fine. Just a little respiratory problem…most likely allergies, as the grass is growing, the trees are budding, etc. At least, I think that is what it is. I felt worse last night, but a lot of that may have been nausea while listening to the questions asked the POTUS…or should I say, non-questions.
Off topic…there is a “probable” case of swine flu in a Minnesota town near where our daughter lives…about 20 miles from her. They have closed the schools, etc. This hasn’t been confirmed yet, but they believe it is the real thing. The child affected wasn’t in Mexico, but was with someone who had been there recently. This is definitely the Mexican Flu!
Do you really think protesting future possible hypothetical ___________ is worthy of your time?
a. violations of the Constitution
b. $10 trillion deficits
c. government takeovers of industries
d. all of the above
Um, yes.
OT
Much as I love Glenn Beck, he does not understand bankruptcy.
If Chrysler and GM went into bankruptcy, we would not “loose” them.
They would emerge from the process (IF the process were not politicized) viable, stream-lined businesses.
stillonetheroad,
And my point is that that bill had already passed and signed into law. Expressing anger about something that has already happened is all well and good, but is that a sustainable movement?
And SS, I assume. So what I am not getting is that you, and I think others would admit that these two issues are, while not the only issues, certainly ones that go to the heart and intent of the Tea Party protest. So when Obama “offers” (we’ll see) to have a debate about them, he is somehow totally missing the point? What is he supposed to do? Debate a bill (the stimulus) hat was passed months ago? Again, how useful is that? I think the folks from the National Leadership Team took exactly the right tact. They recognize entitlement reform as part of their overarching message and took the president up on his offer. No whining about how Obama chose entitlement reform over firing GM’s CEO.
And yet we have Obaminites wanting to confiscate IRA, 401 and private pension plans to shore up Social Security as the government can’t afford to let individuals keep those-it is really the governments money. Yet another share the wealth scheme of the Progressive/Fascist.
As these people have been taught since childhood: Private Lives like Private Property are not good for the Collective.
Tax and Spend writ large.
I don’t have any problem having a debate about healthcare policy and social security. But, your initial post seemed to suggest that that’s what the Tea Parties are, or should be, focused on. I’m saying, the protests are broader than that. If you think it hurts the movement to not be confined to one or two issues, I appreciate your input to try to help us, but the it’s all related to government bloat. We’ll see if the momentum can be sustained.
“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, …”
Obama should be reminded that the ‘certain news channel’ he’s referring to has triple the ratings of others…. He can ignore that statistic if he care to, and no doubt will; but he does so at his own peril when the next election rolls around.
SS can be stabilized very easily. Repeal the Executive Order of LBJ.
Take it away from CONGRESS who use it for spending and put it back to it’s natural state of a trust!
Also, take annuity payments away from immigrants at 65 that have NEVER paid into it that Jimmy Carter approved.
Democrats have completely RAIDED the SS fund and have been getting away with it for far too long!
Actually, I did serve four hours in jail once! So I guess I am a very bad person! Ha!
No, my initial issue was with people saying that Obama completely missed the boat wrt the tea parties. If one thinks he did when speaking of entitlement spending then I confess I don’t get what that person feels the ultimate goal of the tea parties is.
And its not a problem having one message, prolific and wasteful government spending, that can manifest itself in many forms (stimulus, entitlement, government takeover of private industries…). But when one thinks that the point of the tea parties should be something as amorphous as “government’s complete disregard for the constitution and utter contempt for the governed” that to me sounds like just a disorganized olio of various disenchanted parties with no unuifying message except anger. And THAT is exactly what these pitiful left wing protests amount to.
Chap,
Protesting an event past was a way of expressing anger at the continuing foolishness from the Clowns in DC. People, in general, have had enough. Spending was one thing, another was our so called Reps not bothering to listen to the people they are supposed to Represent. I heard time and again how people were just blown off.
Our Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program,
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,
4.) That the money the participants put into the Independent “Trust Fund” rather than into the General Operating Fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month — and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to “put away” — you may be interested in the following:
————————————————————-
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the Independent “Trust Fund” and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.
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Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
———————————————————————–
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the “tie-breaking” deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.
——————————————————————-
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
AND MY FAVORITE:
A: That’s right!
Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
————– ————————– ——————————
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it! (And now they don’t want most retirees to share in the rebates to help the economy!)
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn’t so.
But it’s worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to?
Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.
AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!!!
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson
They passed that law as quickly as possible. Members of Congress didn’t even read it. They followed that with $400 billion in pet projects. That flew through Congress also.
Your contention is that once signed, there can be no objection?
Wouldn’t that just cause the party that controls both Congress and the White House to ramrod bills through that furthered their agenda and possibly even weakened future challenges to their power?
How would you express your disapproval of an unprecedented expansion of national debt?
I lived and worked in a place called Seychelles. It was a supposed Socialist Paradise. Everything was provided for but the only streams of revenue they had was Tourism and the US Tracking Station lease agreement with the US. On the Tourism front, all the people there were told and taught that they were the best in the world, they did not have to do anything for anyone and the attitude and service was terrible. Tourism has been dropping for years because of this. The US Tracking Station closed up years ago so that revenue stream dried up. Lets talk business there, the Gov owned 51% of any private business, the other 49% was owned by business and taxed at 50%. Lets talk Government workers. The Government employed 1 out of every 3 people. They produced nothing but, were still employed. At this moment the Seyehelles is broke, cannot sustain the economy, the people have been told to start growing their own food because the Government does not have the funds to purchase foodstuffs from overseas , this is a prime example of how and why Socialism fails. And this is what little Boots and his Army of Hands out and open fools want?
This single portion of his statement explains EXACTLY what moves the man.
It’s all about him…all the time…everywhere…or else!
Not a leader…but a dictator in waiting.
OK, Mr. President. I am responding to your challenge: simply don’t pay SS benefits to persons that a). aren’t legally able to work in the US or b). to those that lack a valid SSN? Seems like a simple and small step, but that would definitely help.
What? Oh wait…. You mean you’re actively leading the lobbying charge to ALLOW those same people a ‘path to citizenship’ – so they can then claim those benefits legally ‘above board’? Hmmmmmmm. Seems to me like you’re either a hypocrite or very, very dense.
No. I am saying that focusing the movement on something that is fait accompli probably does not sustain a movement for very long and, in the context of debating with Obama, it is infinitely more useful to debate entitlement spending than the already passed stimulus bill.
Also known as the primary Government Spending Program account.
It’s a never-ending tax fund created by our blessed Democrat party, for the purpose of wedging issues with the elderly and garnering candidate support.
If he ever has a meeting with the Tea Party,and I doubt it very much, he will tell them the same thing he told the Republicans” I won so we do it my way “.
I wasn’t an Obama fan before he made those remarks. If it had been ACORN welfare recipients, he probably would have made some comment about how sensitive he was to their plight. So, taxpaying Americans demonstrating against his reckless spending and socialist agenda, are a bunch of tea bag waivers. What an arrogant sanctimonious prick!
Technically, Pres Obama’s statement does not become a ‘bluff’ until he folds, or does not have that serious conversation.
And, he can have that serious conversation with any number of people, including members of Congress.
That being said, Pres Obama implicitly called out the tea baggers, and therefore should have a conversation with them. Give the process some time to work and he just may have that conversation. Hopefully, he or his staff, will be asked about his statement at the town hall, and the offer by the tea baggers.
Aborting millions of future taxpayers doesn’t help, either.
Swine flu “pandemic”.
How about, “When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for the people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them one with another…” (I hope you get the idea).
You make it too easy.
DaBama would have to eat his words if Americans weren’t pathetically lazy.
Show up to a 4th. Tea Party, or consider your inaction to be supporting your new overlord. Obama certainly will.
The tea parties are about out of control government spending. If the government has $1.2 trillion to spend on pet projects, then why not shore up Social Security?
This is about fiscal responsibility, not partisan politics, regardless of how much Obama and CNN try to claim it is. I should think that as long as you’ve been around here, you’d know that.
Buy refunding the money that non tax payers put into the SSN system (of taxes).
I don’t believe for one minute that there will be any useful serious conversation about social security. It’s been tried with a Republican White House and Congress and was DOA.
I do confess to a general sense of anger. But a Democrat controlled government giving an inch on Social Security will either be an admission of defeat or a sure sign of the Apocalypse.
Right, which is why I am surprised that some here sneer at the thought that Obama wishes to engage the Tea Party movement by discussing the single largest driver of government spending.
Are you saying I am claiming this is about partisan politics? I have been extra diligent on this thread to be very respectful of the Tea Party movement and to discuss its goals/motivations and not its partisan makeup.
I agree with chapoutier and go a step farther. Obama set a trap for teabaggers that they jumped into. The key word, as chap points out, is serious. Obama’s not about to give the wingnuts a Presidential platform where they can rant about taxes being tyranny. He’s forcing them to address substance — how would they reduce the main drivers in federal spending? If they can’t come up with a real suggestion, they’re exposed as not being serious.
Remember Congressman Cantor and the alternative Republican budget? It had no numbers in it. It wasn’t serious.
Well that, plus Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs dismisses the tea party movement as a Ron Paul stunt.
Exactly who are “The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition”? Could be some opportunists trying to hyjack the grassroots movement for their on ends? I’m mighty suspicious.
I don’t disagree!
do you mean like the stimulus bill?
I’m just glad you’re not agreeing with me.
Social Security isn’t wasteful spending, though. All spending is worth discussion.
That paragraph sounded better in my head. It was aimed at Obama/CNN. I did not intend to disparage you.
Please, chappy, agree to go right to the edge of the cliff!
That may have contributed, but that’s not what got this rolling.
It started last summer, Friday, August 1st, to be exact.
The next day, a Hot Air commenter said:
On April 30th, 2009 at 9:18 am, b-cat said:
Exactly.
That is why I drove to Washington, D.C. for the “Texas Tea” Party on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives last August,
and why I participated in a local Tea Party on April 15th.
Obama is not open to honest debate.
He said as much last night with his we did things their way for eight years; the American people elected me to try things my way now. (Poorly paraphrased I know, but you get the general idea – regardless of what the opposition may argue, Obama is going to govern his way.)
Any invitation to debate on Obama’s part is for show purposes only and should include no misconceptions of actually changing his mind.
Chap makes some good suggestions. We should ignore the crap and take what is useful from his posts. Every once in a while, he is right on the money. Sorry Chap, I have to insult you occasionally. You are a liberal, after all!
lgm said:
Do you mean 4 Billion to ACORN
All those “Shovel ready” jobs that produce nothing once complete.
Oh, yea. Things like that?
What Obama is missing (and that souldn’t surprise anyone) is that he has just bitch slapped about half of the citizens in this country. Is he really that arrogant or is he simply stupid?
I agree, that’s why I admitted to a sense of anger. But I also want to resist any attempt by Big Government to trivialize the movement to one or two issues they already control…
Well then they shouldn’t be here working.
That is their fine for crossing the border illegally and able to enjoy living here on the dole of our healthcare, education in state tuition and anchor baby funds they collect.
So see it’s fair we keep the money!
When I first discovered some of the conservative blogs on the internet…about 4 years ago, the one I went to the most was Little Green Footballs. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Here were clever, witty comments that I agreed with! It was fun reading them, although I never became a contributor. After a couple years, I started noticing some real issues. First, the comments became so numerous…numbers in the 800-900′s per issue…that I couldn’t keep up and my computer got bogged down trying to pull them up. Then I noticed a repetition of certain issues that I disagreed with. I haven’t been over there for more than a year. I think it is a mistake to allow so many posters on a blog that it becomescumbersome to read and keep up with. Michelle has not allowed that to happen and I hope she continues to keep the numbers down to a manageable level.
The one true ray of sunshine in having the Democrats in charge of the House and a super majority in the Senate, is the fact they own the government: when things go wrong (like today’s employment numbers – another 600,000+ out of work), there’s no one to blame but themselves!
When I saw that, I thought the same thing. Who are they?
Those are “three” of the most important words to remember about this man! It tells the whole story in a nutshell (pardon the pun).
Take it w/ a grain of salt and remember: the Rush Limbaugh inspired, grassroots “bake sales” of the early nineties were also called a “stunt.” Critics stopped dismissing them after the 1994 Republican landslide.
I wasn’t just talking about illegals!
…and this isn’t my idea so you need to take it up with someone else!
I am surprised anyone would even suggest Obama is open to honest debate when just last night, he reiterated his “I won” mantra – and on national tv.
So since it’s not your idea you take no responsibility for posting it? Got it LMAO!
My point still stands whether it’s illegals or not. There are many benefits people get here so if they pay into the SS fund and don’t collect it is money that was paid for something else they have used in this country that we the real taxpayer has paid out!
Open honest debate w/ Obama?
When pigs fly…
oh yeah…SWINE FLU
Well, you know what they say about the sun shining on a dog’s…ahem, you know the rest…
Unless of course that dog happens to live in Minesota, where only about 26% of the days are sunny!
Sorry Happy. I have to insult you occasionally. You are a Minnesotan after all!
It is interesting that he would chose the combination of words “tea bags” when he describes a large portion of conservative Americans. I am certain that this was a gesture to his disrespectful radical left base. It may be that he has not yet reached the maturity level to enable a serious discussion. If that is the case, perhaps we can find some sane people in the Democratic party willing to wake up and do right by this country. Let him play golf, and hug tyrants and psychopaths. There have to be some grown ups in Washington.
Yes indeed. And…
People that can’t even lawfully work to pay into the system should NEVER even be considered to be able to draw on SS benefits later – it’s ridiculousness at it’s extreme. …All the while, there are Americans – somewhere, somehow – that are going without benefits that (at least in *some* cases, where the need is legit and bonafide…).