Defining domestic extremism
If you oppose drivers’ licenses for illegal aliens, you may be a “domestic extremist.”
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YES!
I am a domestic extremist. WOO-HOO!
I wonder what passes for “rationale and well-adjusted”?
The human equivalent of a lemming.
I already qualified because I sometimes talk about the constitution.
Maybe we should get club jackets and sport symbols or patches for every right wing extremist qualification.
Of course, because you know, eventually everything will be blamed on the Jews.
Emphasis mine. Unless you are engaging in these acts it is absolutely incorrect to say that opposing drivers licenses for illegal immigrants makes you an extremist under this definition.
Oooo, and some really nice shoes (I’m still excited from the other thread).
Did they have a separate category of “extremists” who violate laws and act violently to help illegal immigrants?
If not, why not?
I thought domestic extremism was when the wife buys new curtains because they don’t match the new throw pillows!?
Chap,
I will be you are large OJ and my blue and white checkered Dorthy dress that DHS would view advocating citzens’ arrests of illegals as falling into that definition.
These people do not want to secure anything. They just want to make sure that all of their policies are PC to the point they offend none of their fellow travelers or muslims.
be = bet SORRY
Someone needs to tell them that “federalism” is a weak central government vs strong state governments. We have had a national government since 1865. The Constitution is based on power based in the states. So the FF are extremists? Am I an extremist for believing in the Constitution and proud of our FFs? I wonder what will happen in the near future. I must hide my beliefs in the Supreme Law and bow to Karl Marx and an Obama USB drive? Maybe I am. I want my America back.
I think the fact that they left out any mention of “islamic extremism” destroys ANY validity of the document. It is nonsense and a waste of time and energy.
Might as well write a report on malaria and leave out anything about mosquitoes.
Last night I watched a gentleman from Maryland, who was a sheriff or chief of police or something, on CSPAN talking about illegal immigration. He made some of the most valid points about securing the border and limiting this influx of crime, disease, drugs and burdens on the local, state and national budgets.
I guess he’s an extremist.
You can always tell a Jewish Extremeist. They wear Doc Murrays.
I hear they drive Chryslers too. That narrows it down.
I hear that the Joooooooos can shapeshift into cockroaches, too.
I saw it on a documentary.
“Paranoid” is too strong, but wouldn’t this cover Baptist Sunday School teacher Jimmy Carter?
I was destined to become a domestic extremist by raising my right hand and vowing to defend my country from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I believe the new hate crimes bill makes speaking out against these things “criminal activity”…doesn’t it!
I guess I’m an ultra extremist because I want the following:
1. All illegal aliens deported.
2. All illegal alien employers jailed and heavily fined.
3. A fence along every single inch of our open border.
4. Our laws enforced equally.
5. Our politicians to do what we elected them to do…uphold the Constitution and protect us.
6. No benefits of any kind to illegals or their children (drivers license/WIC/schooing/etc….)
7. An end to birthright citizenship for those who illegally enter our country!
well guess that should get me a badge or two….
It appears that Orwell was not just a writer, but a prophet as well.
that should make you pack leader!
domestic extremist: An American loving, legal, overtaxed, defender of his country citzen.
I’ll accept that and damn proud of being one.
This Obama thug character is out of control. Anyone who disagrees with him on anything is an “extremist”.
We are so screwed.
Odopey reminds of a spoiled 5 year old that didn’t get his favorite piece of candy… promptly starts pouting for the next 4 years.
Can’t wait to watch his face the day after elections Nov. 2010. Republicans won’t retake congress, but will make a large dent in the now socialist congress…American as a whole have seen enough of this clown.
Chap – Funny what part you chose to highlight, while this is right there too.
the comment about making a citizen’s arrest has already been adressed by one court. it constitutes intentional infliction of emotional distress. the fact that these ILLEGAL ALIENS were trespassing on this man’s property when he detained them and called the authorities is irrelovant to our black robed gods.
Day by day I am under all the daily ‘extremism’. Is my internet, email, mail, phone calls, taxes, thoughts, liberties that bho does not think we should have. Are they saying go get this gal? She is someone who loves her country and hates to have our bho and dc do what no other bunch has done in over 200 years. Boy, she is needs to be looked at!
L
“Sticks and bones…but words will never hurt me.”
Chaps…
wouldn’t that include me (I advocate a tax boycott, which some would assert is a crime)
MLK…
Rosa Parkes
anyone who walked the Selma Bridge…
etc…
We all got reclassified on Nov 4, 2008
Bingo. When I swore oath, that it might actually be a sitting president that was an enemy of the Constitution was not something I considered. My how times have changed.
From HA Comments:
Found this in my mail today sort of fits in
Sometimes you are encouraged about our country’s future when you see something like this.
Specifically, there is an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
This year’s term was
“Political Correctness.”
The winner wrote:
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition
that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end”
R. J. Wiedemann LtCol. USMC Ret
Someone doesn’t like profiling after all. It turns out that ordinary law abiding wingnuts have a lot in common with right wing hate group members. Who could have imagined?
Marco Polo @ #4 said:
I’ve got mine.
And I earned it.
And I guess I get an Extremist Merit Badge for being against illegals getting driver’s licenses. But living here in Los Angeles, I’ve seen them drive. Self-preservation here on the mean streets isn’t just a job. It’s an adventure.
Chap,
Let’s suppose you are right and those conditions must actually be met for someone who thinks like a rational human being to be considered a terrorist. However, if the government wants to silence you or distract the public from arguments that may be contrary to the will of the Democrats, there is a great thing called a Grand Jury. To explain why, you need to understand what a Grand Jury really is. A federal Grand Jury is usually made up of regular folks off the street. They have no idea of the actual nature of the law or what constitutes a crime (legally). A Grand Jury is normally advised of the law by the prosecutor and advised of the act by the arresting Officer. No Defense representation is allowed. A Grand Jury is only handing down an indictment (an official accusation).
How could a political party benefit from this? Let’s say Citizen X isn’t very happy with the way his elected officials are dealing with uncharged criminal aliens. He decides to start an internet petition to ask the government to do a little more about the problem. The Democrats running the government do nothing, at first, because they know the MSM will call Citizen X a “redneck” and he will go away. But.. He doesn’t go away. He becomes a bit more vocal and winds up on Fox.
Two days later, an Assistant US Attorney has the Special Agent in Charge for a DHS agency write a criminal complaint and swear it before a judge that Citizen X is advocating terrorism. No defense lawyers present – agent raises his or her hand and says “yes your Honor” – a warrant of arrest is issued. Dems being in charge, the MSM is notified of the precise moment and location the arrest will take place. So, the MSM converge on Citizen X like paparazzi at a Brangelina baby christening. Let the demonization begin!
Three days later, the Agent and AUSA go before a Grand Jury and tell the tale – next thing you know, a “True Bill” of indictment is handed down. Six months later (the first time a date is available on the docket) the case is dismissed summarily for lack of evidence.
What has happened? Citizen X – a person who did nothing wrong – has been arrested and indicted for a crime of politics. Citizen X will always be referred to as “Indicted Terrorist Citizen X”(”indicted” sounds so much more evil than “convicted” 90% of people don’t know the difference). Citizen X will have lost his home and likely his family because the legal bills would be staggering. But, the true result (and the only important one for Democrats) is that his argument is discredited, he is broken and suddenly, he isn’t on the highest rated news outlet telling the truth.
I bring this up because everyone here needs to understand (I’ve been a federal cop for almost 20 years) getting someone arrested and indicted is the easiest thing a prosecutor and police officer can do. The responsibility of being a good police officer is to make sure you don’t abuse your power and ruin good people’s lives.
The problem is, Democrats don’t care about people who disagree with them. They will stand on your neck and giggle while you choke. I’m not being facetious. This is real world politics. They (unlike the wusses in the GOP) are out to win at any cost. They prove it over and over.
So, the moral of this shaggy dog is – don’t get caught up in details. Using an organization like DHS to push a political philosophy in an attempt to corner power is pure evil.
The Devil isn’t in the details – he’s in the perception.
Heck, I will make it easy for you folks. If you are not for the North American Union, you are a extremest.
I flew the American flag at my house today.
That goes along with the labeling of “returning vets being recruited” memo from a few weeks ago.
I guess I’m an extremist myself. I think I’m on my fifth enlistment. I’ve lost count between the enlistments and extensions.
Well, since OUR gov’t refuses to do so…Someone must, on the peoples behalf. Willingly enabling lawbreakers and encouraging others to violate our sovereignty, sounds like a conspiracy to destroy the United States. When you selectively choose what laws to enforce, ” selective enforcement ” you no longer have ANY claim to ” Protecting and defending ” the U.S. in violation of the oath of office you swore to uphold. Therefore, the ” extremists ” are the officials who violated their oaths of office. Using ” violent means ” to enforce laws the recognized elements of government swore to uphold is not extreme…It’s merely the expected response to a failure to obey the law by our elected officials. If they were truly worried about it, they would tell the Pres. of Mexico that his concerns are not ours. We, the people want Illegal Aliens gone…All of them. Let’s use Mexican Immigration Law and make this a case where citizens arrest is not only, accepted but, applauded. BTW, by violent means…translates to holding them without lawyers and La Raza, whining. How many people were killed by ” The Minutemen” ? Wow…That many ? sarc
Thank you, Dave. Please pass that along to your brothers and sisters in service to the nation.
To everyone else…
there has been open discussion of secession on various threads here over the past several weeks.
Was venturing an opinion that topic a violation of law?
No. But, as CiE noted, and consistent with the old saying about getting a ham sandwich indicted, it could still POTENTIALLY get you ground to pieces in the criminal “justice” system that may wait around the corner. Being charge with a crime…even if totally innocent and eventually exonerated…is like getting into a pissing match with a skunk.
You might “win”, but the costs are huge.
You might “win”, but the costs are huge.
Let’s just cut to the chase here: If you haven’t sworn complete allegiance and loyalty to Barack Obama, you are suspect of being an enemy of the state. If you believe in the rule of law and the founding documents of the United States, you are suspect of being an enemy of the state by this administration.
And THIS is just the beginning…
Happy to…but could I ask you to be more specific? I just don’t understand the question.
Do you remember the trembling outrage at Nixon’s “enemies list”….
where is that now…???
That’s hilarious! I could casually peruse Nixon’s list in one sitting. To get through Obama’s, you’d need an army of bureaucrats and at least three months to do it.
As I asserted earlier…Since the Fed’s have no obligation, or political will to protect the border…Making citizen’s arrest, is an option. Getting a Yuma,AZ grand jury of US citizens to indict is not a slam-dunk. Although, fear can be used as a weapon…Suppose a coyote and their crew just dissapear…hmmm… an interesting conjecture.
As Hunter S. Thompson said…He was outraged he was not on it.
Groucho Marx said…I would not belong to any club who would have me as a member.
True…or one super-computer…
But the outrage at Nixon was not directed at the size of the list…or its contents…
it was at the very concept that a President would compile a list of American dissenters to his policies.
It was an unspeakable outrage to the MSM leftists…
Remember????
If you don’t bow to Obama as he does the king of Meca then you are RWE…since we’re profiling and all! Right LGM?
Jeff2161
I go you one better.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mcgrew/090415
I ONLY cite to that site (say that fast five times…) as a “think piece”. I have not researched the assertions in it, but I DO find them interesting….
Very informative ragaspierre…I’ll have to study this further.
Sorry…Ragspierre…
We cooo…
No bad…
Just one more of a seemingly endless string of examples that demonstrate that our government is at war with voters. We have ONE-PARTY RULE and still they have to plot against us to get what they want.
The Obama admin has introduced a war by euphemism. For instance, why they keep describing Judge Souter as a “moderate conservative”? Because as we learned the past eight years and particularly last year, “moderate conservative” means liberal. Once that euphemism sticks, those of us who espouse pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-gun rights, tough border enforcement and so on, can now be described as “extremists”.
There is now just one allowable point of view: liberal. This morning, the McCain/Kennedy/Leiberman/Steele wing of the GOP confirmed that the GOP is now officially “the other Democratic Party”.
Does everyone now understand the critical importance of the Tea Party movement and why it is critical to keep partisan politics out of it?
The more I think about it, the more I think that it’s another Rules for Radicals play. It didn’t really matter whether they apologized, retracted or revised the DHS report. They wanted this to get out in order to target and isolate the biggest threat to Obama’s plans. They wanted its puke to ooze through the news cycle.
Even though we know better, some people now have it in the back of their minds that the opposition are extremist wackos. It’s all a ruse to divide our attention between this and what the statists are really doing. They continually claim they’re not doing x or y while it’s going on in plain sight, e.g., nationalizing the banks and auto industry, giving common stock to UAW so the workers will control the means of production, etc.
Room 101, thought police, doublethink, Newspeak and memory holes: How different are these terms from how the statists want to change the world’s inhabitants into obedient and fearful peasants.
[Sorry but I had to rant. It just seems that we're just watching it happen like a movie and we're powerless to stop it. I certainly don't see any Republicans speaking out about it. They just don't care.]
Check out the article from the Christian Anti-Defamnation Commission.
Regents University is now offically a hot bed of terrorist activity.
GSP
“This is Sparta!”
Touche’! Obamists want a nation of NOTHING but lemmings! Who but lemmings would follow the Pied Piper in the WH and his band of appointees?
On May 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm, tiredofit08 said:
I agree with all you said. I am also a veteran and have arrested 100’s of illegal aliens in my previous work as a police officer. If this administraion knew how many people really fit their definition of a “terrorist”, they should really be scared. They don’t know how many are willing to defend their country and theirselves.
“those who are mainly antigovernment and reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.”
Thomas Jefferson?
Well… yeah, but in our case, our opposition really is a bunch of extremist wackos. They just happen to control the government at the moment.
Typical Obama voter/supporter.
-or-
Anyone in the main stream media.
This is all about leveling that playing field in preparation for the ‘10 & ‘12 elections…isolate the enemy…
The question I have is what what will they do with those of us who aren’t going to bow and pledge ourselves and everything we hold dear to Barack Obama? It is obvious that the fact that there are MANY of us who have principles that we are not going to give up for Obama and his oligarchy, and that fact infuriates them.
Personally, I’m waiting for a “crisis” to occur which will lead to an “enabling act” which will brutally crush any and all opposition to Obama, and America will formally become an authoritarian statist dictatorship.
Obama wants to be identified with Abraham Lincoln–well, Lincoln essentially did the very same thing as I explained above. Lincoln created the very precedence which Obama will use to enslave us and crush the rule of law and our foundations of freedom and liberty.
Joe Biden told us told us before Obama took office that a “crisis” will occur within six months of Obama’s administration, and I do not doubt him. Biden let the cat out of the bag, but nobody took him seriously. I believe it’s only a matter of time…
To hear homosexuals tell it, Christians are right-wing extremist terrorists (even though it is profoundly different in Californication, where the Christian is the target).
As I have written before, I am not concerned that DHS considers me a possible extremist. I am concerned that they are not focused on what are the probable threats.
Democrats will politicize anything. DHS has neither the time of the resources for political correctness. We’re open and if the bad guys do not know it yet, they will promptly.
We will get hit and hit hard on their watch. It’s going to be bloody and ugly. I hope the American people recognize their role and deals with Obama and his ilk in the manner they deserve.
A true Christian will never bow the knee and bestow themselves fully to a state or any supposed “leader,” so of course Christians are going to be targeted by the Obama regime. It will be circa 1st and 2nd century Rome all over again.
Nero
The thing is, this administration won’t acknowledge any failure should a horrendous terrorist attack occur. They will blame it on US. WE are the sole enemies of the Obama regime, and they’ll simply accuse “right-wing extremists” for the crisis, and begin rounding us up.
There is NO way that these tyrants will EVER give up the power that they currently hold. They are going to keep taking, and taking, until they’ve taken EVERYTHING. So anything potentially fatal to their agenda will simply be blamed on their opponents–US.
And, WHO will oppose them when this happens? The “media?” The Repubicans? You KNOW that everyone on the left will fall in line when the Obama administration declares that “firm action” will need to be taken against “certain extremist segments in our society” which they will say “caused these horrendous acts,” and that “must suffer the consequences of those actions.”
I’m telling you guys, this is EXACTLY what they’ve got in store for us.
We can all agree that Obama has stayed true to his word so far, doing everything he said he would.
This explains those columns at the DNC in Denver last year…a politically correct Emperor Nero of the 21st century.
I cannot agree. Al Queada will be who hits us; the very people THEY are releasing, trying to “engage,” granting civil rights to, while attempting to try the people who successfully protected us for over 7 years.
The America First isolationist movement was the most influential group in America prior to WW II. After December 7, 1941, they disappeared overnight. They had no credibility.
What do you think will happen when Al Queada kills so many Americans people will forget about 9/11? The other thing you have to remember is Al Queda tried and failed to take out the Twin Towers in 1993. They came back on 9/11 and took them out. On 9/11 only the heroism of Flight 93’s passengers saved the Capitol. Bin Laden will try again. These idiots in Washington will open the door wide for him. Sucks to be them, if they are in the impact area.
I can only hope they are in the impact area. Let Obambi get the deer in the headlights look…Apologizing to terrorists deserves the most ironic response possible.
Oh, please judge me by the company I keep!
Here’s a little test I learned to apply some decades ago.
It is a hard test, and you will frequently not like the results if you apply it with honesty.
It is called “The Turn-Around Test“…
If heterosexuals were targeting California gay rights activists…
seeking to get them fired from their jobs…
harassing them…
targeting those places and things they held sacred…
picketing their businesses…
Would that be the subject of disapproval by the mass media?
Would it be the subject of criminal investigations?
Could you expect the political leaders of California to speak out against it aggressively, deploring that conduct?
Might you expect the leaders of religious bodies, even those who profoundly sanctioned homosexual conduct, to speak against it?
We all know the answers…even those who are not conservatives here.
You can use the same test for any number of issues, words, etc.
If homosexuals can use the term “queer”, by what standard can they sanction me for using it?
If it would be deplorable for me to use the c-word, why can Perez Hilton use it freely, and not be deplored?
See…? It is a very utilitarian test.
But it can make you uncomfortable…
Terrorist training and strongholds are already in the USA.
Intimidation the lexicon of preemptive tyranny.
Emphasis mine. Unless you are engaging in these acts it is absolutely incorrect to say that opposing drivers licenses for illegal immigrants makes you an extremist under this definition.
Ok Chap…I’ll bite..but here is the hard part, and this is why Janet Napolitano and the individuals who wrote this gunk should be fired:
WHO
WHAT
WHEN
WHERE
WHY
AND HOW
EXACTLY IS NOT ANSWERED…
Why in the heck would any government official who cannot fill in the blanks of the “W”s even leak this nonsense?
Living in the PSRK’s report and listing of JF compounds and activities ought to be JanNo’s concern. There are others that are clandestinely operating within our borders. Yet I wonder if she has even read anything remotely connected to actual terrorists groups in the USA.
Love2rumba ~ The bad thing is: Firing JanNo would only get us a worse replacement. Barry’s repertoire of possible appointees is limited to dumb or dumber.
Paul Mirengoff of PL’s “A Terrorist’s Plea Bargain” underlines the way we deal with true plotters against the USA.
al Marri was in the midst of plotting an attack using a form of cyanide gas on dams, waterways, and tunnels in the United States when he was captured. We got the goods on him. Yet al Marri is able to plea bargain!
Seems JanNo’s eyes are trained on the group she has designated as extremists: The Conservatives.
How safe does the Homeland Security queen make you feel?
First they labeled us with Hmomphobe, Sexist, Racist, and Biggot. Now they are giving Domestic Extremist a try.
Who terrorized New Yorkers recently? Who is spending TRILLIONS that America doesn’t have? Who is funding millions of Abortions? Who is the real extremist, B.O.!
On May 1st, 2009 at 7:13 pm, lgm said:
Lgm, making the LSD-powered connections that ordinary Americans won’t.
Lgm, go follow the Hive Mind.
And all are designed to make the Bamster look like the smartest guy in the room.
Let’s make this very simple . . . anybody or any organization that opposes challenges the Obama regime will be targeted as “extremist”.
I believe in Freedom and Liberty too. That makes me a double domestic extremist. It also gets me a couple of extra check marks after my name on the DHS’s list.
There are a lot of rational arguments here that try to take on the wrong-headed direction of this administration (or the previous one), and I do agree with most of the posters here. However, most of the arguments ignore the fact that the political opposition does not listen to rational arguments. And they don’t abide by the laws of the land because they are changing those laws as you speak/write. If you really think that you are going to change anything by arguing in these posts or articles, then you are living in dreamland.
Action is the only way to change the society that we live in. The Opposition has taken, and is taking action; political, legal, and illegal. Unfortunately our side have been sitting on our collective asses for about 50 years. Now these arguments, which should have been taught in classrooms for the past 2-3 generations, are going unheeded and scorned.
It’s too late to win an election or think that your posts will really change the direction of this country. Buy guns and ammo if you want to fight back. These arguments aren’t going to do it.
Oh dude, ACORN little trolls are coming after you. What was once “American” is now “alien” and what was once “alien” is now “Amerikan”.
How our world has changed.
Janet N is a racist be-otch, who is extremely stupid, and is a risk to freedom, liberty, and the safety of all Americans. She needs to be hospitalized in a max security psych ward. Guess which extremist group is hostile to: abortion; women’s rights; gay rights; securing our borders, limiting immigration legal and illegal for certain religious group members; advocates the murder of Jews; advocates the murder of critics of their religion? For those extremist libs that write hateful criticisms here, I must give you a hint since you are unable to understand proportion and lack all understanding of history: it is not faithful Christians living in the US. I think we need to keep up the pressure on Janet and watch her like a hawk – nut cases like her are certain to break the law and her policies will certain cost American lives for which she must be held responsible. Any law abiding patriotic American targeted by her must file written complaints/Federal lawsuits/FOIA requests. Americans must also understand that BO and Janet feel no obligation, moral or legal to protect the lives of US citizens – you need to be able to defend yourselves. If you can’t afford numerous bodyguards like Pelosi’s friends, then get a gun and learn to use it and join the NRA so that BO will find it more difficult to steal it from you. You might also consider having enough arms and ammo to help your neighbors out who didn’t prepare when the S hits the fan.