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1. #101
   On May 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, chaosrainz said:

   nail49: Micheleeroo: The ‘perp’ should have not been allowed to leave, he should have been invited to lie on the ground spread-eagled and kiss the asphalt until the police arrived and then he would have been allowed to leave, in the back of the police cruiser.

   Had he not kissed the asphalt and tried to leave of his own accord, then he could have been kneecapped and allowed to leave in the back of an ambulance.

   Had he decided to do neither of the above and become aggressive about it, he could have left in the back of a hearse.

   I’ve only had one shooting lesson but I can tell you unless you’re a practised marksman, you can’t just aim to take out a kneecap. If you’re being threatened your best bet is to point the gun in their direction and fire.
   That ” go for the good wound” kind of thing is something for the movies and snipers I do believe.

2. #102
   On May 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, John Deaux said:

   On May 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, chaosrainz said:

   That ” go for the good wound” kind of thing is something for the movies and snipers I do believe.

   It’s also a crime. The prosecuting attorney will say that you weren’t afraid for your life, you were just out to maim the perp.

3. #103
   On May 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Hubby has the home defense 12-gauge. He doesn’t worry about aiming. He uses double-aught buckshot; you know, so he doesn’t have to ‘count’ the ‘bullets’.

   Spacey, you guys need to do an experiment. Measure the distance from a logical defence point in your house to where a perp might be when you fire. Take a large sheet of paper to a range or safe location, put it that far away from you and fire. The size of the hole will be much smaller than you imagine. Even with a 12 gauge you’ll need to aim carefully.

   Just sayin’…

4. #104
   On May 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   well, I carry it in my Fendi overnight case…

   A Beretta perhaps? With matching earings?

5. #105
   On May 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, WarEagle82 said:

   Henry,

   You are making some assumptions (as am I admittedly). First, I am a CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE NRA! I don’t have a problem with weapons.

   You are right. Georgia does not require “registration” of a handgun. In fact Georgia law PROHIBITS registration of handguns by the government!

   Was the weapon legal? Go here and see what might apply or not: http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php.

   Did the student have a concealed carry permit? It might apply. It is NOT clear that the student who had the weapon was in his own home. If not, then he carried a concealed weapon into the home and was in violation of concealed carry laws if he did so.

   And why were the students “targeted?” It DOES matter. If one or more of them were “gang bangers” and this was a “hit” then what we have here is “gangsta violence.”

   My point is we need not rush to “sanctify” this student until we know all the facts. He may be as much of a “bad guy” as the two who invaded the apartment. We don’t know yet. For all we know this student hero could be the next Rafel Edmonds…

   I have no problem with the fact that two idiots got what was coming to them. I am sorry that one girl was caught in the middle and hurt. And I am glad that 9 of thee 10 escaped unhurt. But there are a lot of questions about what actually happened and why. If I were a member of the GBI I would be asking those 10 people a lot of questions…

   On May 6th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, Henry said:

   Was the weapon registered?

   Not required in Georgia.

   Was the weapon legal?

   You’d have to define “legal”.

   Did the college student have a concealed carry permit?

   Not required inside a private residence.

   Why were the students targeted to begin with?

   It doesn’t matter.

6. #106
   On May 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm, chapoutier said:

   If one or more of them were “gang bangers” and this was a “hit” then what we have here is “gangsta violence.”

   Aaaaaand there we go. Why the assumption that they are gang bangers?

7. #107
   On May 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pm, rightisright said:

   Love these kind of stories, being a NRA member and receiving their monthly mag. 1st. Freedom, I go directly to “Armed Citizen” articles. Love reading how these anti social misfits are eliminated from the gene pool.

8. #108
   On May 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, spaceycakes said:

   Why the assumption that they are gang bangers?

   chap, it’s because, I heard, that when the gunmen came in, they held their weapons arm outstretched,hand sideways, you know? ‘Cause it looked cooler that way.

9. #109
   On May 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, WaterBoyz said:

   Brought back memories of this shooting test.

   Redneck

10. #110
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, spaceycakes said:

    AlohaGuy said:
    A Beretta perhaps? With matching earings?

    No, it’s a gold-plated .38.

    Yeah, I’m a little like Madeline Kahn in ‘High Anxiety’.

11. #111
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Two things. At least one of the 10 students was “targeted” by the two assailants. And one student in the apartment may have been carrying a concealed weapon.

    There is almost certainly more to this story than random psychotic violence, or “young love” as Chappy calls it…

    This does not pass the “smell test.”

    On May 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm, chapoutier said:

    If one or more of them were “gang bangers” and this was a “hit” then what we have here is “gangsta violence.”

    Aaaaaand there we go. Why the assumption that they are gang bangers?

12. #112
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    chap, it’s because, I heard, that when the gunmen came in, they held their weapons arm outstretched,hand sideways, you know? ‘Cause it looked cooler that way.

    Which has led me to our first confirmed photo of spaceycakes.

    Warning re: bad language.

13. #113
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    There is almost certainly more to this story than random psychotic violence, or “young love” as Chappy calls it…

    Actually, that was kinda funny.

    But lets just say it was 10 white kids who attended school at Texas A&M. Woudl you still assume they were gangstas?

14. #114
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, spaceycakes said:

    No, no, NO, chap.

    I’ve told you before: I’m blonde, I have long, well-manicured nails (currently painted pink). I’m definitely not ‘goth’. Ew.

    Oh, and that’s a .45 isn’t it?

15. #115
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, spaceycakes said:

    chapoutier said:
    Lets just say it was 10 white kids who attended school at Texas A&M. Woudl you still assume they were gangstas?

    Hellz yeah

16. #116
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Yes, had this happened anywhere with the facts as I now understand them I would suspect gang involvement. Gang membership and violence is not limited to any one ethnic group.

    No, I take that back. If this had happened at Harvard I would have suspect militant gay marriage activists or the Weathermen first…

    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    There is almost certainly more to this story than random psychotic violence, or “young love” as Chappy calls it…

    Actually, that was kinda funny.

    But lets just say it was 10 white kids who attended school at Texas A&M. Woudl you still assume they were gangstas?

17. #117
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’ve told you before: I’m blonde, I have long, well-manicured nails (currently painted pink). I’m definitely not ‘goth’. Ew.

    Sorry.

18. #118
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Let’s say two guys break in to The Don’s place, threaten to kill everyone and rape the women. Big Al Fresco reaches into his John Travolta lunch pail, takes the gun, leaves the cannoli, blasts a perp who jumps out the window, runs down the street, and sleeps with the lawn flamingo.

    Despite the fact that The Don and Big Al are known gangsters, I’m pretty sure they all acted within their right to defend themselves. And even if Al had his gun concealed, it might be tough to prove he brought in into the house concealed – considering that everyone is grateful to be alive and unlikely to testify to anything else.

19. #119
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I’ve told you before: I’m blonde, I have long, well-manicured nails

    No, no, no, she said a .38…

20. #120
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pm, tre said:

    Spacey Cakes, does your gold plated .38 look like this?

    If so, I hereby nickname you “Goldfinger”.

21. #121
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Spacey?

22. #122
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Or?

23. #123
    On May 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    OK, my last guess…

24. #124
    On May 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    I think its time for another poll?

25. #125
    On May 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I think its time for another poll?

    Hmm, suspicious results…

26. #126
    On May 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    This was posted on a blog by someone claiming to be a friend of Calvin Lavant, AKA deceased perp #2.

    The cops did it. Never mind the testimony of the other 10 people in the building. Lil Calvin was party-goer #11 and the cops busted in and killed him according to this person. Lil Calvin was just a sweet, inocent victim of ‘Da Man.” Never mind his rap sheet and mug shot…

    Oddly enough someone said the same things about Jeffrey Dahmer…

    The dead suspect is a very close friend of mine and his death came out of the left field. This is hitting me harder than I ever imagined. I just want to set the record straight and state that CJ would NEVER do anything like this. The news is owned by gatekeepers who only report what they want to (please do some research about the news). To cover up for the Police faults, they want to say that he tried to rob the place. COMPLETELY out of character for him. Also, if he burst through the doors, why aren’t there ANY reports about the force entries, the “mask” that he allegedly wore, and the gun? NOTHING talks about this.The news is doing a good job of brainwashing yall to believe that he was an intruder. When in fact, he was just one of the party goers and was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Every one there is at fault because they could have saved his life. He bled to death on the street and the party goers did absolutely NOTHING (they were probably scared to death of the real gunman), and the police (as usual when in the hood) was late getting there.I REFUSE to believe this garbage about my dear friend.May your soul rest in peace Calvin Lavant Jr. and I will forever love you!

    May. 5, 2009 9:55pm EDT | from therealdeal

27. #127
    On May 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, spaceycakes said:

    LOL. I guess the ‘Polythene Pam’ one is the closest.

28. #128
    On May 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, nail49 said:

    If you’re being threatened your best bet is to point the gun in their direction and fire.

    chaosrainz: I might TRY to aim at the kneecap and tell the police that was where I aimed, but if I happen to hit in the center of mass, I’ll just admit I was being attacked and had to ‘fire for effect’ rather than for a point on the body.

    If I get a ‘perp’ on the ground without firing a shot, you can bet he won’t get up until the police arrive and let him up.

    If he goes on the ground because I had to fire my weapon, you can bet he won’t get up until a medic or the coroner picks him up.

    If I had to shoot him when he was on the ground, it will be because he was bringing his weapon to bear.

    Questions? Call me…

    Problems? Call the chaplain…

29. #129
    On May 6th, 2009 at 10:26 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On May 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am, sonofdy said:

    However, never empty your weapon as there may be a second or third ‘perp’ who needs some attention as well.

    Thats why they invented extra magazines.

    That’s why they invented extra guns.

    Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. WE are the civilian national security force. Gun “control” is a scheme to control the people. We are the people, and we shall not be disarmed. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!!

    ECS

30. #130
    On May 7th, 2009 at 3:33 am, GrayLoess said:

    How, exactly, does this add to the level of discourse on the subject?

    I love the outcome of this story for all the obvious reasons (especially the comment from someone who wrote “You want more gun control? Use both hands”), but this type of comment is uncalled for. It does nothing to aid the cause of those of us who seek to maintain the rights of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. I hope you’ll reconsider your tone.

    Bull. I reconsider nothing. These innocent people would be DEAD if Sarah Brady and her ilk had their way.
    So I proudly extend a middle finger to her and all the gun grabbers who want to take from us the God given right to defend our lives and those of our loved ones from this type of murderous scum.

31. #131
    On May 7th, 2009 at 9:33 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Thank God for the quick actions of a trained gun owner, and for willing to defend his friends. Our country could sure use some more of them in uniform.

    GSP
    “This is Sparta!”