Live from the Cali tax revolt
In advance of the Tuesday special election to tax the wazoos out of Californians, KFI’s John and Ken held another revolt rally today.
Liveblogging here, including this terrific photo:
You won’t see it in the L.A. Times. They only cover rallies they agree with, remember?
Gov. Taxinator is pulling out all the stops with a desperate fear-mongering campaign to scare voters into approving billions in new tax increases. Five of six measures are failing:
The yes side has spent six times as much as the no side, but five of the six propositions are losing, according to a statewide 10News poll.
Proposition 1A, which would set aside money for a rainy day fund and extend recent tax increases, is failing by 13 points.
Proposition 1B, which would require payments to schools, is losing by nine points…
…Schwarzenegger also said no votes would add $6 billion to the state deficit and lead to cuts in schools, health and welfare programs and a wide variety of other state programs.
[Escondido City Councilmember Marie] Waldron said, “I would call that a scare tactic.”
But with more money spent and the support of firefighters and police, and teachers and health care, why are the propositions trailing?
“People are tired of other people reaching into their pockets. That’s what it really boils down to,” said [San Miguel Fire Chief Augie] Ghio.
The only proposition passing in the 10News poll is Prop. 1F, which would prohibit pay raises for legislature, governor and other elected officials if the state is expected to have a deficit.
It is leading by 10 points, according to the poll.
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Prop 1F is an idea that I would welcome California exporting to the other states.
I’ll admit Ah-nold is looking a bit scary these days (botox and plastic surgery aren’t just for Pelosi) but he’s not scary enough to get these propositions passed!
Go tea partiers in California. It is time for all of us to tell government to STOP!
Pay attention rest of the US. What is happening in Cali is a real indicator of the way Obama wants things.
Glad to see that the sheep here (not this site) are starting to get a clue!
I’m a no vote on all of them. According to what I read 1F has no teeth so it’s basically a waste of time.
1F may or may not have teeth, but it sure sends a loud and clear message from the voters so I’m going to vote yes on that one.
Michelle this is a great day for democracy! I enjoyed the my time with family at Tom’s Farm today and the people were great. I am sure my kids will not forget this day in their live. Let’s give them hell Jon and Ken.
*Let the measures fail so the state can bleed out and then have a chance at resurrection; All the square head governor need do is put in place an executive order for mandatory E-Verify for all government services, employers, contractors, subs, employment agencies, et al; This will wash out all the illegal aliens as you will see a mass self deportation exodus south; Then, with a little tightening of the purse strings, a balanced budget going into FY2011; We The People have had enough of this insanity!
Lucky me. We get to vote Tuesday. Our elected legislators failed again to do their job, so they want the voters to do it. This time the propositions will fail and something drastic will be done. Unfortunately, tax hikes will be forthcoming too.
Hold the line California. Hold the line.
The can ignore a taxplayer backlash here in Flyover Country. Califormia is a whole other story. Lead the way!
*And don’t think tax increases will come up only California; P-BO and his Clown Cluster are ready to inundate us with all kinds of new taxes; It is going to get much uglier.
*I think “We The People” parties may be more appropriate, after all it is more or less up to us to get some new blood in D.C. in 2010 and 2012, and as I have said before:
**If you voted for the bailout, then it’s time to get the hell out.
**If you voted for the stimulus, then you’re going to feel the pain from us.
Good Luck to all the good citizens of California. We are praying for you.
I love my family and friends who live in California, but, I still cannot believe anyone would voluntarily live in that state.
Hey, we are talking about California! Elections don’t matter. If the wrong prop passes or fails the leftists will simply declare the results null and do what they want to do anyway.
Yeah, ok.
Like either party is going to run candidates with that in mind.
This would only work if people would consider ousting the two socialist parties that have seized power in DC today.
Not likely.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
It has been said that trends start in Cali and work their way east. Let’s hope the “just say no” to new taxes trend catches on across the nation/ Not to mention I love the idwa of 1F. After all Obama has said that CEO’s that fail their companies should not reap rewards, so why should we not apply that to all politicians that fail their constiuents!
I’m voting NO on the first 5 props, and sending a BIG MESSAGE on the last one — NO RAISES DURING A DEFICIT – Voting YES.
RWR: Like it or not, the Dems are water over the dam as far as salvation of our Constitutional Republic; The GOP is the only horse left to ride, and we must ride it hard until our voices are heard.
*Simcox over McCain in Arizona is a perfect example; Any conservative GOP over almost any Dem in the house is an improvement.
Any Conservative over a limp wristed RINO is even better!
Like it or not, the GOP is the same horse as the Dem Party, and until people like you see that and stop riding it, this country is screwed. Like it or not
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
What kills me is that a lot of this crap could have been stopped by Californians when they spent all that money getting Arnold in office. If they had voted to take union’s power away, stop letting the politicians gerrymander their districts by drawing their own lines and given Arnold the power to cut the budget then California would not be bankrupt. Liberals have rocks for brains, at least the California ones do. They vote the politicians who say, it’s for the poor, and their like yeah man, for the poor. Then when they get taxed like crazy they run for Arizona and start voting in “for the poor” and they are all immigrants, no matter their status, politicians there.
Another friend of mine who lives in my building moved, he was doing pretty well as a graphic designer, the job industry has slowed and he is still getting raped from California taxes having risen last year. He is going to Idaho. Maybe the single welfare mom who lives in the section 8 apartment underneath his can pay his share of state taxes now. Californians are ubermorons. No offense to anyone who lives in California and is at least intelligent enough to read news and opinions.
I have a bit of a contrarian take on 1F and legislative pay in general. It absolutely sucks compared to the pay one would get in a similar job with similar amounts of responsibility in the private sector. And then we sit around wondering why 95% of the people who run for office are power-mad, back-stabbing sociopaths (with a very generous assumption that 5% are in it for the public good). Furthermore, we react in slack-jawed horror and amazement when they sell out their constituents for such paltry sums – a few thousand dollars here, a low-five-figure sum there. With the only financial rewards being the huge piles of illicit gains being constantly waved under their noses, it shouldn’t be too shocking that so many are on the take and that Washington DC and the various state capitals are such dens of corruption.
I say pay them a couple of million dollars a year each. The taxpayer money we save through the elimination of low-level graft will more than make up for it, and the jobs themselves will attract more qualified applicants.
RWR: It will just take time for the GOP to root out the deadwood; There are good conservatives in the GOP, like DeMint, Sanford, Blackburn, Pence, Sessions, and Palin, and if they can hold sway long enough with the people behind them, we can wash out the likes of Grahamnesty, McCain, Snowe, et al.
*And what they truly need is a catalystic game changer, that empowers the people, and it is the Fair Tax.
To all you people who are going to vote Republican no matter what, apply for a lifetime vote card already so we don’t have to hear from you anymore. Your votes are automatic so maybe you can arrange for you votes to be automatically cast at each election.
Who cares about your opinions? Just grating noise like fingernails on a chalkboard.
And make sure you hold your noses tight. It has an anesthetizing effect by cutting off the circulation to your brains. No point wasting blood on the brain, no thinking going on anyway.
Just stand aside, keep quiet and watch how us conservatives get things done.
RWR, Pasadena Phil, I hear you and do not disagree.
I think we have to look to Tip O’Neill for guidance on what we need to do.
“All politics are local.”
We have to “win the fight” locally. Each of us, all of us in CA, NY and here in Flyover Country. The become the county and then state delegates.
They make the primary rules. They are the source of the congressional candidates. That’s where I think we need to be focusing our efforts.
If this true, then the game is over, because there isn’t going to be a third party than can defeat both the Socialist Democrats and the slightly less Socialist Republicans. All a third party is going to do is keep the more Socialist of the two in power forever.
Your right, we’re screwed.
Imagine if these propositions don’t pass that the illegals in our schools won’t get their food subsidies, they won’t get their welfare checks, and their free health care will stop or be curtailed. For shame.
I’m not interested in coughing up anymore tax money for the illegals and indigents in our state. Arnie had his chance and screwed it up. He could have closed the border, enforced our immigration laws, and listened to the will of the people on issues important to them. But no, he had his own ideas and now the state is in the worst financial condition as long as I can remember. Illegals may not be responsible for all the financial woes, but certainly the majority of them. This issue has to be dealt with and it is becoming more obvious and harder to ignore on a daily basis. Deport, close the border and enforce our immigration laws now. Train our own posse of Sheriff Joe clones.
Stubby, I agree with you about immigration, but Arnie is doing the will of the people. The people told him, hands off the unions, stay out of the legislator’s business, stop trying to cut the budget… this is clearly the fault of Californians. Californians live in fantasy land where welfare magically appears out of thin air and immigrants are doing the jobs they don’t want to do and the welfare for them again magically appears. Until it is time for them to close shop because for some reason business here got too expensive, even with illegals, and then go to other la la lands like Arizona, Nevada and Idaho. I just can’t blame Arnold, Californians are so out of touch with reality, it is amazing.
I believe in order to stop the illegals in this state, there is going to have to be a proposition to change the state’s constitution, like the people did on the gay marriage issue.
One word: Unions.
These supporters all have very powerful unions, which we know are the sacred cow of the Obama administration. The SEIU represents the health care workers in California, and they are holding the state budget hostage with this Obama threat to pull federal billions if the state tries to get concessions from the SEIU. So that’s why those groups support these propositions. Nobody else does, and most within those groups will vote “no” when they get behind the curtain and pull the lever (well, most of us fill in a bubble, but I was being dramatic).
I was monitoring the local news telecasts tonight and there was practically no coverage of the protest, except for perhaps 30 seconds mention. The impression was that this was a prank or publicity seeking stunt by radio talk show hosts John and Ken for their show. Very disappointing coverage but not unexpected. The MM is fully behind the liberals.
Once the propositions fail, it will go to court. A liberal judge will overturn the people in favor of the party and unions, and it will be become law. The MSM will report it as a fair decision and life goes on.
I suggest you reconsider that. The wording from the ballot: “Directs the Director of Finance to determine whether a given year is a deficit year.”
A “deficit year” is clear as night and day. Allowing a “Director of Finance” to put a spin on it, makes this proposition toothless. If it fails or passes it will make no difference.
Just say NO! Sounds so negative. How about “Just say Yes!” Yes to term limits, yes to political canditates that are against stimulus, bailouts, special incentives, higher taxes, and elite exemptions. It is not enough to raise $505,000 by appointing tax evaders to political positions, or by saving 150,000 jobs while loosing 3.4 million. Get a grip and just say yes, “I am mad as hell and not going to take it any more.”
So long as Cali pays it’s fire & police retirees a 6 figure retirement pay, they’ll continue to run a deficit! So-called “legacy costs” are what killed the American auto industry, and they’ll kill California as well.
My husband(USMC vet and a patriot)thinks Arnie’s right.
He says that Californians can’t whine that they want big government and then throw a tantrum when the bill comes due.
He has a point-except that not only the whiners get stuck with THIS bill.
from FAIR….
Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that California’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to nearly $9 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.
$9 billion could go a long way to putting the state back on track…but that certainly wouldn’t be PC now would it…
ErikTheRed # 21
Your idea defeats the whole plan of citizen legislatures. Citizens, from the private sector, who voluntary serve for a few years, then go back to the private sector or, like Romney, after a successful private sector career, to give back the to country/community the vast experience and knowledge acquired. Regan was a success at this, Arnold isn’t.
Furthermore, It would not matter how much politicians are getting paid, politicians (especially democrats) are all power hungry, ideologically driven to force upon society their view of what society should be.
To my fellow Californians: if you haven’t moved out yet, then please vote “NO” on 1A through 1E.
Maybe we can get AG Brown to change the wording on 1F after the fact to read “no legislator is paid until the budget is balanced”.
Government considers the 9 billion spent on illegals as just another reason to raise your taxes.
How dare the MSM not cover this rally. There were literally dozens of people there!
California has itself in a structural mess both in taxes and voting and both weighed heavily in favor of the Public Service Unions. That they can do anything good about it is problematic.
They DO have the weight in Congress to push Fedzilla to absorb their bonds and do it all over again.
Lokk for big problems.
Maybe I don’t pay enough attention to what’s going on in California because when ever I hear the voting results of propositions, it appears that level heads are in the voting majority.
How can there be so many level headed (conservative sort of) people in California AND at the same time, have a state so messed up? Is it the judges overthrowing vote results or what??
*Note to PP: I am a conservative/libertarian with no party affiliation; No foundation exists within any third party that would make them viable; You’d be just as well off to go pound sand.
*The tail(D.C. politicians of both parties) is waging the dog(We The People); The tail is infested with fleas(see above), and we for too long have just been chasing it; It is time to grab hold and chomp down from end to end
and remove them one by one; It starts with the Fair Tax and which ever party embraces it; It won’t be the Dems or a third party, but could be the GOP; Fiscal conservatism along with center-right social policy gets the job done in 2010 and 2012.
Unless one is in actual attendance or has reliable knowledge of the official head count, it is impossible to say with authority whether a protest was poorly attended or not w/o political prejudice coming into play.
The media elevate as successful many leftist protests – whose principles, ideas, and motives with which they agree – that were later determined to have been poorly attended by park and law enforcement officials.
That is exactly the kind of brain-dead logic that prevents solutions. Bob, YOU are screwed because your thinking is attached to a fixed rail. In your world, Abe Lincoln, a third-party candidate, was never president and Ross Perot didn’t get 19.6% of the vote in 1992 after intentionally flaking out.
GOP registrations are already in 3rd party territory (well under 25% and sinking) and outnumbered by “none of the above”. And the latter voters are more conservative than people like you who have chained themselves to the GOP anchor. Do I have to spell it out for you? The GOP has made itself irrelevant while conservatives are carrying the fight successfully without them! Try something else already! We aren’t going back!
Better yet,why don’t you and your friends just step aside and keep quiet. We don’t need to be constantly reminded about how your ideas keep losing elections. The rest of us have gone another route trying something else and are suddenly winning again. If you keep quiet, you can even claim that you were with us all along after we prevail!
Let me make my previous point more clear in a simpler way. My beliefs and principles are not predicated on politics. If “both” parties tell me that murder is good, I will look for another choice. This is still America and here, we MAKE other alternatives.
We had a little get together in San Diego as well. I have pictures in case you don’t see it in the media. Smaller than the April 15 events, but a decent turnout.
Since the Fullerton Protest led by John & Ken at KFI had over 15,000 people in attendance (with thousands probably stuck in the huge traffic jam that wanted to attend), this was a well thought out statement, wasn’t it, lgm?
BTW – I hope you are one of the useless morons that will be affected by the teacher layoffs. Perhaps then the kids you would have “taught” will have a chance at normalacy of intellect.
Janeane Garofalo, who called Tea-Party protesters “a bunch of teabagging rednecks,” adding “this is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up.”, is sitting at home trying to figure out how to label yesterdays mostly white crowd ‘racist’ for protesting a white Governor.
No, it all started when the GOP joined hands with the Dems and agreed to the absurd gerrymandering rules that insure incumbents cannot lose. By doing so, the GOP guaranteed themselves permanent minority status. Sound familiar? Isn’t that what the RNC has done?
I sent in my absentee ballot, voting in “Hells No” on everything but 1F.
I went to the Glendale Tea Party on April 15 and which was clearly not “all-white”. Were there suddenly to develop that blacks, latinos and asians began to show up to Tea Parties in droves, we would win. I don’t know ANYONE who goes to these things to protest Obama. This is a rage against the one-party government that is at war with us. We are even angrier at Republicans than we are at Dems. The Dems are at least being true to their stated beliefs. Republicans? Don’t get me started.
I agree Phil, just pointing out the absurdity of her racist rant.
The importance of killing these california tax increase inititives cannot be overstated, and I dont just mean California. I see 9-13 point spreads. NOT ENOUGH! Make it a 25 point spread, send the message!
Please- if you are in California-GET OUT AND VOTE! MAKE SURE YOU DISCUSS THESE DECEPTIVE MEASURES WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY! I want to see the talking heads covering a HUGE defeat for weeks to come.
When 49% are paying for the 51% you get a TAX REVOLT, as seen in California… How long before the entire country gets tired of the 49% paying??? Wake up AMERICA!!!
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION and FREEDOM LOVERS..
RE: TUES vote–DIRTY TRICKS????!!!
My Polling Place has been moved –THREE TIMES for this TAXING vote…
How about yours??!!!!!
C-CS
DBNinKY said (#45):
Look at the pictures. The biggest crowd shot has literally dozens of angry tax revolters.
tonyr951 said (#50):
Put that against what Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity say about, say, about lawyers or teachers.
They do have judges overturn votes but the bigger problem is California votes for lower taxes AND expensive social and environmental programs that require higher taxes. They want to eat their cake and have it too.
Weird may be the word you are looking for.
Two cycles,no incumbents.It’s the only way.No term limits,no e-mails,phone calls,editorials,protests or marches are going to convince them.The only effective weapon you have is your vote.Use it wisely.No incumbents for any office…twice.
I would agree with two stipulations:
TERM LIMITS — 4 terms rep; 2 terms senate, then out forever).
NO PENSION OR FREE HEALTH CARE FOR LIFE — if they want that, they have to do it the old fashioned way — earn it in the real world.
Just to clarify on term limits, the 4/2 limit would be 4 OR 2 (not and). The most anyone could serve would be 12 years, so once someone has been in the house for up to 3 terms, they would be limited to 1 senate term. After 3 house terms, no senate terms.
The biggest problem, I think, is the number of voters here in CA who look at expensive, “nice-sounding” propositions, and never even think about the cost. If it sounds good, they vote for it and feel virtuous.
It never occurs to most of them that paying the bill is going to come out of their taxes.
I have lived in CA since 1970. I’d leave if I could, but I’m more or less trapped. I don’t vote for this nonsense, but there are many more of the “feel-good” voters, who have never had an adult thought in their lives than the practical sort. And of course, there are the ones who don’t even pay taxes who manage to vote.
I just hope that this time enough people are tired of other people reaching into their back pockets to actually vote these dratted tax hikes down. I’ll certainly be there to vote, and I’m voting a straight, down the line NO!
Paying more for elected officials does not help. How much do they SPEND to get elected ? No one but a raving egomaniac would spend 20 times their salary to get a job. Also, how did high pay work out for those wiz-kids on Wall St. ? I agree with an earlier post though…12 years as an elected official, at any level of government is enough. No pension, no health care. How, could they justify a pension anyway ? If your elected you serve 1 term at a time. 401k with no match is all I would approve of.
Congratulations to Californians for finally standing up to tax increases.
Send the same message to The Obama Messiah and support the Tax Tea Part Protests around the country on July 4th!
Well, if that’s the case then those Tea Party attendees need some ‘schoolin’ (and I don’t mean by public education).
That’s “white REPUBLICAN governor.”
I cringe every time I hear the often used statement “So goes California, so goes the rest of the states “. If that is true, maybe, just maybe, something good will come out of the land of fruits and nuts that will have a positive impact. This madness has to start getting fixed sometime.
Go Calif. If you are going to fight back against out of control government, now would be the time.
1.) We’re only seeing what the photographer wanted in the picture, nothing more.
2.) It was a conservative crowd that cherishes personal space; maybe there were others who meandered away to shop, to eat, or to just enjoy the scenery.
3.) It’s about the message, not attendance; crowds will be small but growing with each successive gathering as the message spreads by word of mouth and non-traditional MSM outlets.
4.) The Left pays people to attend their protests, conservatives do not; plus their boosters in the MSM entice people to attend Leftists gatherings with free advertising disguised as news-/investigative reporting.
The message resonates, else the Left would not be so concerned with denigrating its initial stages of growth.
I JUST RECIEVED MY 2009 MISSOURI ASSESSMENT STATEMENT, AND IT GIVES THE RATE OF ASSESSMENT FOR 3 ASSETS. RESIDENTIAL @ 19% OF APPRAISED VALUE
COMMERCIAL @ 32% OF APPRAISED VALUE
AGRICULTURAL @ 12% OF APPRAISED VALUE. SO ALL YOU BUSINESSES IN MISSOURI, SELL THE BUSINESS AND BUY AN EQUAL VALUE FARM AND CUT YOUR TAXES BY 60%. MAYBE THIS IS THE REASON ALL THE CAR MANUFACTURERS AND NOW I HEAR PFYZER ARE LEAVING MISSOURI. MISSOURI WANTS FARMERS, AND HATES BUSINESS. MISSOURI SUBSIDIZES FARMERS WHILE REAMING BUSINESSES. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW AS A NATION GOES GALT.
Another problem with the propositions is the way they are written and presented, usually with the intent to deceive. When both ACORN and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association oppose 1A (for very different reasons), it says a lot.
Vote no on all of them. These propositions are the evil spawn of a twisted, corrupt, failed political system.
For those that feel that California may be a preview of the national situation, look around…TARP, Porkulus, trillion dollar deficits, it’s already here.
The broadcast of the tax revolt rally was very instructional and entertaining, and it’s very beneficial for those on this blog to listen to it. You will learn to see through the lies of the politicians, and understand their tactics as well as those of their allies in the media.
- ArizonaNeanderthal
Actually, Californians often vote down social programs that carry an extensive price tag. The biggest bond measures all failed during the last election, as well as the one before that. This particular issue, is more a case of the government having budgeted on the basis of the economy remaining in a boom, with no contingencies for economic slowdown built in. Now that the economy has slowed, tax revenues are down (of course). The stupid thing is, that by raising taxes on those the state government depends on to turn that around (the consumers), they are likely extending the economic downturn.
I’m looking forward to going out and voting against these Props, except for 1F.