Pithiest summation of Obama’s abortion remarks at Notre Dame

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 17, 2009 11:39 PM

“He might have called for toning down the rhetoric but his abortion policies are tuned up on steroids.”

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  1. #1
    On May 17th, 2009 at 11:46 pm, tdau1997 said:

    And, there’s the rub…

  2. #2
    On May 17th, 2009 at 11:48 pm, malkin_fan said:

    First off:
    After listening to the president of the college introduce obuma I came to realize he is an obuma koolaid drinker and voted for him.

    Second,

    Imagine if this was Columbia University and the speaker was a conservative who is for closing the borders. Imagine how today would have gone. There would have been screaming, fighting and the speaker would NEVER have been allowed to give his speech.

    The audience today was civilized. Something the looney left colleges could never be.

  3. #3
    On May 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm, see-dubya said:

    I could do pithier still, but this is a family blog.

  4. #4
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:06 am, Ron said:

    The “fair-minded,” “irreconcilable difference” is that one side believes taking human life is acceptable when ordered by the child’s mother, and the other side does not. Naturally, once a child is born, it would be murder if a child were killed by its parents — except if being “born” means surviving a late-term abortion. How can we achieve a respectful dialog under these conditions? Is there the possibility of a compromise here? Only if pregnancies are allowed to continue and unwanted babies are placed for adoption, but that is unacceptable to the pro-choice side that would rather kill the child so its life does not rise in recrimination against its mother and father, assuming we know the latter. This is just unacceptable and intolerable.

  5. #5
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:07 am, Romeo13 said:

    Obama:

    Yes, please, we can debate this… right after all my legislation is passed…

    Cause you know, its a crises!

    Flu… Flu… so you must not object to my Radicly Abortionist head of HHS!

  6. #6
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:11 am, love2rumba said:

    “Open minds” on abortion?

    ..either you are for it, or you are against it…I have never listened to a more disingenuous, if not retarded statement.

    Since BO already has shown his pro-abortion side with Kathleen Sebelius, his statements are a joke.

    ..and yes Obama is a cult leader with, unfortunately, political power as well…

  7. #7
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:13 am, thefoundingfathers said:

    The American Roman Catholic Church I grew up in doesn’t exist anymore. It is now run by mostly socialist types who believe in the redistribution of wealth and the nationalization of one of the best health care systems in the world.

    I sat in my parish church today listening to the prayer of the faithful asking us to pray for the loosening up of our immigration laws. Not one mention of praying for the idiots at Notre Dame to come to there senses and for the souls of the aborted babies that are murdered in this country. One big reason why I have cut way back on my financial support of the church.

    The American Catholic Church is heading in the direction of the Episcopal church.

  8. #8
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:16 am, thefoundingfathers said:

    By the way, don’t you love that smug look on Obama’s face when they put that honarary doctorate hood on him at Notre Dame?

  9. #9
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:24 am, ErinF said:

    Being an emphatically pro-life conservative, I would be willing to make an exception in one case and say this turd been aborted way back when. However, I’m afraid such a statement would get me kicked off this blog. So I won’t say it, I’ll just think it.

  10. #10
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:25 am, BOB said:

    It’s OK to kill babies, but horrifically bad to waterboard terrorist.

    What is it about that you don’t understand?

    A good compromise would be the opposite of that.

  11. #11
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:33 am, Romeo13 said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:16 am, thefoundingfathers said:
    By the way, don’t you love that smug look on Obama’s face when they put that honarary doctorate hood on him at Notre Dame?

    Well sure… he finally PUBLICLY earned a degree… cause you know, we can’t see his College Records.

  12. #12
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:37 am, tonyr951 said:

    Obama said: “ways to reduce the need for abortions”

    Like headaches in Kansas?

  13. #13
    On May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 am, Ragspierre said:

    BIG BRO’s soft-mouthed rhetoric about toning down the debate really shows only one thing.

    He is feeling the heat.

    He is a dedicated radical PRO-DEATH ideologue, and anyone who can read his record knows it.

  14. #14
    On May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 am, txvet2 said:

    “Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction,” Obama added. “But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature.”

    Except to caricature anyone pro-life as a potential terrorist, of course.

  15. #15
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:09 am, Papa Louie said:

    At least he didn’t say “the debate is over.” So, since the President wants each side to “continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction”, let me summarize mine.

    To me, the central issue in the abortion debate is not whether a fetus is sentient or fully human, but the fact that it will become so if it is not killed. If a fetus is not a living being, then why go through a procedure, called abortion, to have it killed?

  16. #16
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:25 am, Paul said:

    My daughter graduated from the University of Vermont today. The commencement speeches, ending with Howard Dean, sounded like an Obama cult meeting.

    Unless one experiences the creepy obsession Obama induces in his followers, its hard to understand their zombie behavior.

  17. #17
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:37 am, Papa Louie said:

    From an article on animal rights comes this gem:

    In the philosophy of animal rights, sentience entails the ability to experience pleasure and pain. Animal rights advocates argue that anything that can suffer is sentient and that anything sentient is deserving of rights.

    How is it that some on the Left can use this argument to support animal rights while at the same time advocating for unrestricted late-term abortions? To them an animal has more rights than a human fetus, or even a human child who survives a botched abortion.

    Do you think an animal rights activist would hesitate to press for animal cruelty charges against someone they saw sticking scissors into the head of a partially birthed puppy? I just don’t get how they can have such sympathy for the suffering of a puppy but not for the suffering of a viable, late-term human child. The only explanation I can come up with is that the politics surrounding this issue blinds them.

  18. #18
    On May 18th, 2009 at 3:40 am, Tuesday said:

    For the first time, I agree with all of the above comments.

    Obama is sick! He plays with words, and his mendacity knows no bounds.

  19. #19
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:02 am, graysonret said:

    Anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-waterboarding, but pro-choice because of the “inconvenience” of having a baby. Kill the babies in horrific ways, but treat the terrorists to a country-club prison. Hypocrisy.

  20. #20
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:12 am, graysonret said:

    Forgot to add that I saw the picture of Obama during the closing blessing. I guess he thinks he’s on par with the Pope now. If it was Bush, the MSM would be in an uproar. But, being the new “messiah”, he will be cheered.

  21. #21
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:23 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Obama called for a new, more respectful tone on the issue, marked by “open hearts, open minds, fair-minded words.”

    Would that include NOT calling the Pro Life movement Domestic Terrorist?
    I noticed that President Obama did not get screamed down the way the Leftist scream down Conservatives on campus. Perhaps he should ask his people on the Left to be a bit fair-minded as it were.

    But Mr. President it is a baby not a choice-please be fair-minded.

  22. #22
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:55 am, mattymatt10 said:

    If there is nothing wrong with abortion, why worry about reducing the number of them?

    Generally speaking, if something is a benefit to society, isn’t MORE of it preferable to less of it?

    Looking forward to hearing Rush’s take on it later today. I always appreciate hearing one of the most prominent voices the nation today speak up for the littlest ones among us.

  23. #23
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:56 am, William said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:13 am, thefoundingfathers said:
    The American Roman Catholic Church I grew up in doesn’t exist anymore. It is now run by mostly socialist types who believe in the redistribution of wealth and the nationalization of one of the best health care systems in the world.

    I sat in my parish church today listening to the prayer of the faithful asking us to pray for the loosening up of our immigration laws. Not one mention of praying for the idiots at Notre Dame to come to there senses and for the souls of the aborted babies that are murdered in this country. One big reason why I have cut way back on my financial support of the church.

    The American Catholic Church is heading in the direction of the Episcopal church.

    I’ve been reading and listening to such information regarding the Catholic Church and I am shocked!

    They are pushing open borders immigration, socialism, etc.

    I get the most uncomfortable feeling from that.

    Look at the world. The US was a place of progress, freedom and liberty, prosperity, respect. Now the US is changing into a law less nation, save that the law supports stealing money from the productive and giving it to the “preferred” among us, and the law supports the slaughter of innocent new human beings, thus making a joke out of the guarantee of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Without life there can be nothing else.

    If the Catholic Church is pushing this dangerous immigration and socialist agenda and succeed, that coupled with the left’s agenda means we are doomed. Even many non-Catholic Christians, as well as Secularist push illegal immigration and socialism.

    New Zealand might be a nice place to live, but without a few strong nations that are conservative, pro-life, and capitalist, there isn’t much hope for the future.

  24. #24
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:00 am, RetFireman said:

    Isn’t this country wonderful? Where else but in America could a man become President without proving he was even a citizen, and be given honorary degrees without proving he went to college.

    Yes, only in today’s America…where every day is proof that the people who dropped loads of acid in the 60′s are now running the country.

    Obama…brave enough to kill our unborn children, not brave enough to kill our enemies.

    Hail Der Fuhrer!

  25. #25
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:04 am, William said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:55 am, mattymatt10 said:
    If there is nothing wrong with abortion, why worry about reducing the number of them?

    Some guy on Hannity (I think) said something like this:

    Obama and other say, “We want to reduce the need for abortion,” is like saying

    “We’d like to reduce the need for child abuse.”

    It is absurd!

    Since when do we need child abuse?

    Since when do we need to kill babies via chopping them up, pulling them apart, inducing them to be born and, while they are born puncturing their skulls, inserting a suction hose and suctioning the content of their skulls, resulting in their skull collapsing in on itself, and chemical methods of abortion which burn the baby alive, something that we wouldn’t do to death row inmates or Islamic Jihadis militants who kidnap, torture, and slaughter their hatred prey.

    Of course there are also pharmaceutical abortions, such as RU 486 abortifacients which also abort babies.

    Really, as absurd as it would be to say “We want to reduce the need for child abuse,” it is even more absurd to hear “We want to reduce the need for abortion (AKA child slaughter).”

  26. #26
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:33 am, RobM1981 said:

    150 years ago, the same arguments were applied to another issue. One side said it was a private choice; the other side said it was a human being.

    The issue was slavery.

    Ironic how that one turned out, given Obama’s ethnicity.

  27. #27
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:37 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

    I’m willing to support abortion … just as soon as you tell me the heinous crime the baby was convicted of committing.

  28. #28
    On May 18th, 2009 at 7:07 am, MacEamonn said:

    Couldn’t “The One” have made the same remarks about slavary in 1860? Oh, sorry, Black People weren’t considered people at the time and he wouldn’t have been “The One” then. Let me see…..what current group of individuals isn’t considered to be people and therefore not entitled to the protections of the Constitution?

  29. #29
    On May 18th, 2009 at 7:12 am, beachmom said:

    And Obama voted “present” on bills to allow doctors to give medical attention to babies who survived partial birth abortions.
    That is the equivalent of voting “no” as only “yes” votes count toward passage of a bill. So, “present” votes basically count as “no” votes.
    The honorary degree and the drool stained wording are what bothered me most. Along with the fact that the Pope said absolutely nothing about Notre Dame breaking it’s own rules about honoring someone.

  30. #30
    On May 18th, 2009 at 7:21 am, rowsdower said:

    At one point he said that abortion opponents and proponents should stop demonizing each other and avoid “reducing those with differing views to caricature.”
    Translation:I don’t want to hear criticism of my voting repeatedly to allow infants that survive botched abortions to die.

  31. #31
    On May 18th, 2009 at 7:29 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Pithy perhaps but not pithiest possible. Pithiest = Liar

  32. #32
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:10 am, cicerokid said:

    Every pro obumbler comment in the South Bend Tribune repeat the mantra “let’s not politicize the commencement.”

    You have invited a politician to speak, how can that NOT be politicized?

  33. #33
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:37 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    The only tool Pro-Life groups have at the moment is their voice. Obama’s words…….“open hearts, open minds, fair-minded words.”…..are a chess tactic to try to squelch that one and only means we have to fight his agenda.

    So of course he want’s civil discussion. That way he can ignore it and keep it out of the media while be moves to make abortion something a teenager could get done at the mall.

    Where as with groups that share HIS agenda…. He tells them to “Get in their face!” What a hypocrite. But is anyone really surprised?

    President Thug.

    So much for civility when it comes to his radical agenda.

  34. #34
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:44 am, Savage24 said:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that God has forsaken the Catholic Church. I waited and waited for lightning to strike that podium, but nothing happened. The lies told on that stage should have provoked something.

  35. #35
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:45 am, dlabedz said:
  36. #36
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:47 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I’ve been reading and listening to such information regarding the Catholic Church and I am shocked!

    They are pushing open borders immigration, socialism, etc.

    Some Catholic Churches. Some.

    Repeat that as necessary. All of you here should know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Pope is hardly a liberal. In fact, liberals hate him. See the flap over his recent, and totally sensible remarks on AIDS and condoms for a good example.

    Some Churches – operating under the misnomer of “the spirit of Vatican II” (and not the actual documents that came out of that council) – have seized the opportunity to create liberal political agendas at parishes, through priests, and even bishops. But they are, more often than not, wrong.

    But guess what? Those groups and the people who frequent those parishes, are more often than not aging hippie baby boomers. Where as the young Catholics, the large families, flock to parishes that don’t engage in such shenanigans. Look at the regular attendance for, say, groups like Call to Action or Voice of the Faithful – more often than not 80%+ of the attendants are as old, or older than, my baby-boomer parents.

    It is a movement that is dying out. Likewise, religious orders and seminaries that are more liberal are seeing a decline in numbers. Here in Milwaukee, for example, our disgraced former archbishop Rembert Weakland had some of the lowest seminary numbers. He left in 2002 after a scandal and his successor – Archbishop Timothy Dolan – turned the diocese around in a short six years (he’s the new Archbishop of New York and will be sorely missed in Milwaukee).

    But – more to the point – which parishes and which priests and which church “policies” do you think the media will support and condone? Here’s a hint: not the ones that matter. Not the ones that are faithful to the Catechism and the magisterium. No – they’ll always go to the ones that are politically correct or provide an opportunity to bash orthodox, real Catholicism. That’s why Fr. Pfleger gets press, that’s why Fr. Cutie gets press.

    They don’t give a crap about the millions of Catholics who are orthodox and faithful, or the parishes and priests who are doing good work in the name of genuine Catholicism because it doesn’t fit their politically correct, politically motivated agenda.

    As for Obama’s speech, when he shows me a “compromise” on abortion that doesn’t result in a dead baby, then we’ll talk. Otherwise, I don’t believe a word he said about respecting the pro-life movement. We’re all “right-wing extremists” and potential terrorists, according to his administration.

  37. #37
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:54 am, Ron said:

    I guess we can expect nothing more from someone whose “pay grade” doesn’t allow him the moral clarity to know the difference between right and wrong, between good and evil. He doesn’t want to punish his daughters with a baby if they “make a mistake,” but he sure as hell wants to punish the baby to the maximum extent. No baby will “punish” its mother by its very existence in Obamaworld. Or am I not being “fair-minded”?

  38. #38
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:05 am, RobM1981 said:

    Englishqueen,

    Isn’t that why you *have* a Pope, along with all of those Cardinals and Bishops? I thought that RC doctrine wasn’t open to interpretation, at least in theory.

    The root of RC’s accelerating decline isn’t hard to discern. When the Vatican ignored and then bumbled the homosexual/pedophilia issue a few years back, it forfeited a huge amount of the moral authority it had.

    Now everyone believes that they can read whatever they want to into Vatican II, the Pope’s actions, etc., and who is going to tell them they’re wrong? The same people who were shuffling known pedophiles to other parishes, while spending money from the collection plate to cover it up?

    Notre Dame is a symptom, not the disease.

  39. #39
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:05 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    EQ said:
    As for Obama’s speech, when he shows me a “compromise” on abortion that doesn’t result in a dead baby, then we’ll talk. Otherwise, I don’t believe a word he said about respecting the pro-life movement. We’re all “right-wing extremists” and potential terrorists, according to his administration.

    An exact summation of my position.

    There’s no middle ground or compromise on this issue. One side believes it is perfectly acceptable to murder babies and the other side does not.

    And the fact that our tax dollars are supporting the slaughter of innocent babies stirs within me a determination that cannot be quenched with mere dialogue alone.

  40. #40
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:09 am, right4life said:

    just remember HE WON

    I do find it interesting that the pope didn’t say anything…but sometimes silence speaks volumes…

  41. #41
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:14 am, dan708 said:

    I don’t have strong feelings on the abortion issue either way, but it was quite upsetting to see actual priests get arrested while peacefully protesting Obama’s visit. I thought there was a constitutional right to peaceful assembly?! Guess that only counts if you’re protesting the Iraq War.

  42. #42
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:17 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “The issue was slavery.”

    Are you kidding us? You think abortion and slavery are on equal terms regarding this debate? People forced against their will into slavery vs. a woman choosing to take a life? These are on equal ground to you? Wow.

  43. #43
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Just where is the middle ground Mr. President? Half an abortion?

    There is no middle ground on every issue. Some issues are or are not. Abortion is one of those. It either is okay or it isn’t.

    Would be nice if your side Mr. President would at least have some integrity regarding the number of abortions and how big an industry the abortion industry is. Maybe your side could start this new tone by being fully honest with America about the nature of the issue instead of hiding behind the curtains.

  44. #44
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I’ve been reading and listening to such information regarding the Catholic Church and I am shocked!”

    I’m with you on that one. And the Hebrew community as well. What do either of those folks have in common theologically with liberals? I just don’t get it some times.

  45. #45
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am, GraniteMan said:


    but we can still agree that this is a heart-wrenching decision for any woman,’”

    If, as the pro-abortion crowd contends, it is Heart wrenching, why is it heart wrenching for them? Because they concede that they are killing a child. If it’s just a clump of tissue then it’s like an appendix and no problem. His argument is sheer stupidity at its’ finest.

  46. #46
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:26 am, Flyoverman said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:17 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
    “The issue was slavery.”

    Are you kidding us? You think abortion and slavery are on equal terms regarding this debate? People forced against their will into slavery vs. a woman choosing to take a life? These are on equal ground to you? Wow.

    As I sat and watched Obama discuss “finding common ground” I thought about slavery. If there was no common ground on slavery, how could there ever be common ground when it comes to terminating a life?

    The pro choice world is in Fantasyland.

  47. #47
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Notre Dame left the Catholic church long ago. The bishop of South Bend, who has pastoral responsibility for the students and staff at ND, asked Father Jenkins to reconsider, and boycotted the commencement, but he has no operational control over the university.

    Notre Dame, and most if not all the Jesuit schools, are Catholic in name only.

    There are some flaming lib priests and even bishops in the church, but the Pope can only remove them in extreme circumstances, and JPII and Benedict have been waiting for the age when bishops are required to submit a letter of retirement, keeping the older bishops he approves of, and letting the others retire, and replacing them with more doctrinally sound bishops. Even that isn’t as easy as it seems, since usually the retiring bishop and top lay and clergy in the parish can request a person be appointed bishop, and while the Pope can refuse, traditionally he tries to follow the will of the diocese affected, and, of course, with hundreds if not thousands of Catholic dioceses around the world, it is hard for the Pope to keep track of all of them anyway.

  48. #48
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:39 am, granite said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:26 am, Flyoverman said:

    The pro choice world is in Fantasyland.

    Agreed.

    Unfortunately, however, they are also in (political) power.

    …not to mention academia, the media, and it appears possibly organized medicine as well – one of the reasons I discontinued my AMA membership.

  49. #49
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Hmmm, families torn apart, people sold into chattel slavery, beaten, raped, abused.

    Babies born alive left to die. Babies delivered alive, all but the head, than killed by a sharp instrument driven into the base of the skull.

    Not sure how to compare them. Like comparing Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot to Mao. Comparing Jeffrey Dahmer to John Wayne Gacy.

    I think just declaring all abominations, an insult to humanity and God, about all one can do.

  50. #50
    On May 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am, RobM1981 said:

    Leviticus 18:21 clearly states that Godly people shouldn’t sacrifice their children. OTOH, it doesn’t state that we should rise up and fight those that do.

    What do we care if liberals eat their own babies? It’s not as if abortion is plaguing church-goers.

    For every abortion given to a God-Fearing girl, from a two-parent household, there must be 50 or 100 given to liberals, single mom’s, etc.

    Why do we want these people to breed, again? Why are we against them tossing their babies into the meat grinder, again?

    Are they all God’s children? Of course.

    Should I pray for them? Sure.

    But the Canaanites and Egyptians were God’s people, too. He dealt with them.

    Let Obama propagate death amongst his supporters. Let him thin his own herd.

  51. #51
    On May 18th, 2009 at 10:16 am, DBNinKY said:

    “Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction,” Obama added. “But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature.”

    Translation: During the coming debate on nationalizing healthcare, please don’t bring up HHS Kathleen Seblius’ relationship to leading abortion provider Dr. Tiller.

  52. #52
    On May 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am, spaceycakes said:

    but we can still agree that this is a heart-wrenching decision for any woman,’”

    Rubbish. I’ve worked in an office that offered abortions, and there were women that habitually showed up for ‘services’. If it ‘wrenched’ their hearts to get an abortion, you could have fooled me! Abortion was just the ‘oops’ birth control method.

  53. #53
    On May 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am, sassy745 said:

    To me the saddest part of Obama at ND was the Pres. of ND comments introducing Obama, and the wild cheers from the audience. The Pres. of ND is a Priest for heaven sakes. Then of course all the applause and cheers from audience for Obama while he talked about abortion and finding common ground. How is that possible?
    I was very discouraged and saddened by it all. Obama now has the Catholic church as his pawn. Truly a sad, sad day.
    The Church needs to remove “Catholic” from ND’s title.

  54. #54
    On May 18th, 2009 at 10:43 am, CleanGuy said:

    “Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction,” Obama added.

    “But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature.”

    And do you think our Liberal friends will take this to heart for all political comments and discussions?

    Naaaaaaaaaa…

  55. #55
    On May 18th, 2009 at 10:43 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    I sat in my parish church today listening to the prayer of the faithful asking us to pray for the loosening up of our immigration laws.

    Yes, I heard that as well. “Nations with resources have Freely Open Borders welcoming all that come” was something like what I heard. It must have been sent to each Diocese and then passed onto to each church.

    That got my attention. And I have no problem with immigration that follows our our laws, checks for those with dangerous motives for being here and regulates immigration so as not to destroy or impair the systems that keep our society civil.

    For example… what would be the purpose of letting everyone in a life raft to the point of it sinking and losing everyone at sea?

    So if the Church meant to just let everyone and anyone come here with zero regulations, health checks, criminal record checks, I’d argue against that for sure.

    Simply put… does Heaven leave it’s gates open to all? Answer… nope… entry is conditional.

    So is entry to the USA.

  56. #56
    On May 18th, 2009 at 10:47 am, prendad said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:00 am, RetFireman said:
    Yes, only in today’s America…where every day is proof that the people who dropped loads of acid in the 60’s are now running the country. Hail Der Fuhrer!

    When obama says we is de master race
    We heil heil right in obama’s face
    Not to love obama is a great disgrace
    So we heil heil right in obama’s face

    When Herr Pelosi says we own the world and space
    We heil heil right in Pelosi’s face
    When Herr Napolitano says they’ll never bomb dis place
    We heil heil right in Herr Napolitano’s face

  57. #57
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am, Ragspierre said:

    Well, if the Vatican doesn’t have something to say about his loade, I think the deal will be sealed for a lot of American Catholics…

    “The religious vigilantism apparent in the Notre Dame controversy arises from organizations that have no official standing with the church, but who are successful in gaining media coverage as if they were speaking for Catholicism. . . . They have established themselves as uber-guardians of a belief system we can hardly recognize. Theirs is a narrow faith devoted almost exclusively to one issue. They defend the rights of the unborn but have no charity toward the living. They mock social justice as a liberal mythology.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/17/AR2009051702178.html

    Nicely toned down rhetoric…

  58. #58
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am, zeroangel said:

    spaceycakes:

    Rubbish. I’ve worked in an office that offered abortions

    Indeed? What was your opinion at the time? How long ago was this?

  59. #59
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:18 am, granite said:

    They defend the rights of the unborn but have no charity toward the living.

    Virtually word for word what I remember from the argument of abortion advocates 35-40 years ago.

  60. #60
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am, spaceycakes said:

    long time ago (early 80′s) in NoVA.

    Some girls I knew in college in VA were also serial abortion–eers.

  61. #61
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am, cheapseat said:

    today’s catholic church in america is so liberal as to make it unrecognizable to a huge group of catholics, hence they don’t attend. gay priests aren’t ostracized, but protected. priests deciding to house illegal immigrants in their church, and commit crimes in the name of helping humanity. yo padre, haul your butt to guatemala and set up a mission if you want to help these people, and commit crimes against the junta there to press for equality. the church has given up all it’s orphanages, but rakes in the big bucks off it’s hospitals and elderly care facilities. today’s catholic church is so disinterested in the everyday parishoner, and is only interested in the money. sorry, but that’s what i see.

  62. #62
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am, Ilovemycountry said:

    You people are completely full of it!

    When will you “pro-lifers” protest war?

    When will you “pro-lifers” actually make a more just, less racist, less hostile country?

    You people are nothing more than liars who pretend to care about life.

    If you were really pro-life you wold be in Iraq right now adopting the orphans we created.

  63. #63
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am, Ragspierre said:

    I remember an interview I heard on NPR at least two decades ago…

    the young lady was a graduate student, who related that she had had three abortions during her college years…

    her preferred method of birth control.

    Sex without responsibility.

  64. #64
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am, spaceycakes said:

    Rags–that’s it in a nutshell.

    Later, after college, I worked with a young lady who snottily commented about my fur coat one day. I asked her if she thought a woman should have an abortion just because she wanted one, and of course she said ‘Yes!’. Then I asked her why she cared about the furry animals I wore, but not the millions of children killed out of inconvenience? She blinked like a mudskipper at me…

  65. #65
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am, zeroangel said:

    spaceycakes:

    So, at the time you supported the practice?

  66. #66
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Tazed and Confused said:

    Obama, the master of lies, the devil incarnate… Reduce the need for abortion? What NEED?

    Meanwhile…. out of the other side of the b*stard’s mouth… comes an easing of restrictions against abortion… comes access to stem cell research requiring the destruction of life… comes funding for abortion centers worldwide… lies, lies, lies… unceasingly orated from the bowels of hell.

    Have you forgotten Dred Scott, Obie..? the decision that slaves are property of the slaveholders… now Roe v Wade, where the yet to be born are property of their mothers… how can you not see the parallels…

    What IS your problem Obie… you vile, despicable monster… Do you really want dialogue on abortion… then issue a moratorium… no more PERIOD until our dialogue arrives at a consensus…

    Yes… let’s dialog before the fires of hell consume your hatred for life…

  67. #67
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:45 am, happyscrapper said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:10 am, cicerokid said:
    Every pro obumbler comment in the South Bend Tribune repeat the mantra “let’s not politicize the commencement.”

    You have invited a politician to speak, how can that NOT be politicized?

    Of course nothing was politicized at the commencement. That is why the idiot who introduced Obamba raved on and on about how great the Pres is doing…healthcare, budget, ad nauseum. I couldn’t believe my ears. It was a liberal talking-points campaign speech at a graduation ceremony. Absolutely disgusting. That man was a brainless twit and everyone who applauded were morons. What is happening in this country?? They are like brainwashed robots just spewing out the words without any understanding of what they are saying or if the words even make sense.

  68. #68
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:45 am, zeroangel said:

    Ilovemycountry:

    You are needlessly conflating several very different issues.

    It is entirely possible to be “pro-choice” as well as being “pro-defense” and “anti-affirmitive-action.”

  69. #69
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am, rightisright said:

    Odumbo is the new Jim Jones, all you libs enjoy the kool aid.

  70. #70
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    Ilovemycountry:

    You are needlessly deliberately conflating several very different issues in a feeble attempt to make a point.

    zeroangel, I fixed it for you :)

  71. #71
    On May 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am, Ragspierre said:

    IHATEMYCOUNTY (and anything like logic)

    would next ask…

    if we support the rule of law, we must adopt the children who are orphaned when criminals are killed in a gun-battle with police.

    Idiot.

  72. #72
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, atheling said:

    Isn’t ilovemycountry the plagiarist from another thread? Didn’t everyone catch him parroting his comments from some libturd site?

    Where did you get that lame comment from this time, ILMC, you fraud?

  73. #73
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Baldwin – a divorced father of a 13-year-old girl – told David Letterman in one of his last interviews on the Late Show, how he thought of getting, or buying, himself a Filipina bride.

    “I think about getting a Filipino mail-order bride at this point or a Russian one, I don’t care, I’m 51,” Baldwin told Letterman in a May 12 interview. [See: Alec Baldwin's Letterman interview]

    Seemingly delivered in jest, Baldwin’s remark caused the audience to break into laughter and prompted the show’s host, Letterman, to respond: “Get one for me [also], for later.

    Who are the racists in America again….????

    Who are the misogynists again…????

  74. #74
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Baldwin’s remark caused the audience to break into laughter and prompted …

    Kim Jong Il to shout ‘You are useress Arec Bardrin!!’

  75. #75
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, zeroangel said:

    spaceycakes:

    Did you miss my earlier question?

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/17/pithiest-summation-of-obamas-abortion-remarks-at-notre-dame/comment-page-1/#comment-702478

    I am curious if you supported abortion as a legitimate choice at the time you worked there and if so, what line of thinking you used at the time to justify this.

  76. #76
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm, DBNinKY said:

    You people are completely full of it!

    Flattery – what a pleasant change!

    When will you “pro-lifers” protest war?

    When pro-choicers support capital punishment and preemptive military strikes on our enemies. Remember: abortion is targeted to the unborn and produces only one outcome – destruction; war is political and seeks to eliminate an enemy’s ability to conduct offensive and defensive maneuvers, with differing outcomes. It’s regrettable and unintended that the innocent are too often harmed by war.

    When will you “pro-lifers” actually make a more just, less racist, less hostile country?

    Open your eyes and look beyond what the media tells you to see – America may have faults, but it is a paradise in comparison to other nations.

    You people are nothing more than liars who pretend to care about life.

    And we know pro-choicers and the anti-war crowd are genuine because?

    If you were really pro-life you wold be in Iraq right now adopting the orphans we created.

    And how do you know no one on this site has not already done so?

  77. #77
    On May 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pm, T-Bone said:

    I gave up on watching that Notre Dame debacle when Obama said some things were “uncomfortable”. Death to babies is to him, and many like him, just “uncomfortable”.

    And like anything else, Obama says what he says but really thinks he is right and those who disagree are wrong. Period. His talk about discussing the issue just means until you come around to his position on every issue.

  78. #78
    On May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, Southpaw said:

    Did anyone else notice? On the DrugeReport site:

    The picture of the Obama coronation at Notre Dame ( the one where he is holding is hand out, like the Pope, as if blessing the people) is right below the picture of the talking fox from the controversial film “Antichrist”

    I thought it was an odd coincidence.

  79. #79
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, right4life said:

    When will you “pro-lifers” actually make a more just, less racist, less hostile country?

    I married a lovely black lady….you??

    When will you “pro-lifers” protest war?

    when al-qaeda hits NY or DC under obama, you can bet I will protest ANY action to strike back!!

  80. #80
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, right4life said:

    Kim Jong Il to shout ‘You are useress Arec Bardrin!!’

    yeah why pay when you can just kidnap em like he does???

  81. #81
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Great point by a Rush caller just now…

    If Obama wants to limit the number of abortions…

    why is he subsidizing them?

    We know that when you want a SURPLUS of something, you subsidize it…

  82. #82
    On May 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “When will you “pro-lifers” protest war?”

    War sucks wish we didn’t have them.

    However your attempt to make a moral equivalence between war and abortion is flawed. An aborted child is a victim of a potential mother’s choice. Not so with war.

    Your argument is shallow and inept.

  83. #83
    On May 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    If Obama wants to limit the number of abortions…

    why is he subsidizing them?

    Duh…. ‘cuz he’s a lyin’ basturd?!

    Actions, not words determine the man.

  84. #84
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    When will you “pro-lifers” protest war?

    It’s hypocritical, and downright pathetic, that supposedly intelligent liberals can’t discern the difference between ripping apart a baby in the womb and defending a nation against unjust aggressors.

    What act(s) of terrorism were committed by the 50 million-plus babies aborted since 1973? And how is it justified that you can defend a woman’s “right” to destroy this supposed enemy…but not the right of a nation to defend the lives of its civilians?

  85. #85
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, floridaobserver said:

    The one thing that makes me sick beyond words is that he wants doctors to let babies who do survive the abortion just die. Where is family services in all this? Why can’t they come in and take the infant and let a loving family adopt it? Millions are spent on infants who are born months early and millions are spent killing infants who could otherwise easily survive and be adopted. What is wrong with this picture? Why not appoint a guardian ad litem to these infants?
    Killing babies who survive…..This is sick.

  86. #86
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Hey right4life what kind of self respecting black woman would marry you?

    englishqueen01 w bombed weddings – ripping apart men, women and children – why don’t you have a problem with that?

    The rest of you are a little too stupid forreplies.

  87. #87
    On May 18th, 2009 at 5:40 pm, Southpaw said:

    The rest of you are a little too stupid for replies.

    I am against killing defenseless fetuses in the womb.

    I am in support of killing people like Sadam Hussein and his henchmen (one of their tactics was to drive nails into the heads of their victims while forcing their family members to watch).

    Are we clear on the difference?

  88. #88
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:04 pm, thefoundingfathers said:

    I wonder if the same “catholics” are going to be in the same trance when BHO forces catholic hospitals to perform abortions or close?

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Liberal minds are just wasted.

  89. #89
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, zeroangel said:

    Ilovemycountry:

    I am pro-choice myself but I can recognize the difference between colateral damage in warfare and abortion. Nice try though.

  90. #90
    On May 18th, 2009 at 6:19 pm, atheling said:

    ILMC:

    At least I’m not a plagiarizing parrot.

    You’re PATHETIC.

  91. #91
    On May 19th, 2009 at 12:24 am, William said:

    Can people cease employing the false terminology that butchering of babies via abortion advocates fabricated as a means of white washing and sanitizing their barbaric, cruel, malevolent act of killing babies?

    The term “Pro-Choice” is complete nonsense!

    I don’t use that term because 1) It isn’t “pro-choice,” it is “pro-abortion. 2) It is a lie. I don’t know if I met a single person, man, woman, or child alive since I was born, who is against choice. People want the choice of which movie to watch, which flavor ice cream to enjoy, which vacation spot to visit, which seat to take at the stadium, what color their walls will be painted, which plumber, carpenter, or electrician to hire, and so forth.

    Pro-choice is a meaningless word without attaching the available choices.

    In abortion the term “Pro-choice” can be completed with the following:

    “Pro-choice for having someone butcher my baby,”

    or “Pro-choice to have a baby cut, pulled apart, burned alive, or birthed and slaughtered while existing the womb, and, of course, left to die, or even killed AFTER baby survives all of the list of slaughter methods mentioned above.”

    Yes, pro-choice is a nonsense and dishonest word, for everyone is “Pro-choice” because we all want to choose our meal, or spouse, our lawn mower, which shirt to wear, what temperature to set the thermostat, and so forth.

    No, abortion advocates don’t finish the sentence and we all know what they mean.

    Another reason

    Let’s call this barbaric act something more precise and descriptive, something which actually airs their dirty laundry.

    Examples (Some already suggested above) can include “Pro-slaughter of innocent babies,”

    or “Pro-hiring a hit man to kill a child,”

    or “Pro-depriving innocent new human beings of their lives,”

    or “Pro-violation of the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the newest and most defenseless among us.”

    What do you think?

    William

  92. #92
    On May 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    By the way, if you need reminding about the “fair minded” words Obama used during the campaign, this blog points out Obama’s glaring hypocrisy:

    According to President Obama, that’s how we ought to discuss abortion. These were the fair-minded words We ought to have open hearts and minds. Pro-choice people should not assume that pro-lifers are “simply … ideologue[s] who wanted to inflict suffering on women ….” Here are the fair minded words that Obama used in a radio ad to attack John McCain.

    “Let me tell you: If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, the lives and health of women will be put at risk. That’s why this election is so important,” the Obama ad contends. “John McCain’s out of touch with women today. McCain wants to take away our right to choose. That’s what women need to understand. That’s how high the stakes are.”

    .
    Well, at least he didn’t call him a right wing ideologue

    Does that sound “fair minded” to you?

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