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1. #702491
   On May 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am, b-cat said:

   the GOP’s effort to “rebrand” itself is lead by mortgage entitlement expansionist John McCain.

   The GOPs biggest problem right now is the “leadership” of committed leftists like J. McCain.

2. #702495
   On May 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am, Pasadena Phil said:

   This is why we are having the Tea Parties. We are tired of BIG GOVERNMENT. This one-party system is a very bad idea. And it’s the GOP that brought it about.

   Until the GOP has a complete overhaul of its leadership and does it in a convincingly dramatic manner, all they will accomplish by insisting on recycling the same lame characters is to annoy us further. We don’t need the constant reminders of how lame they are and how they have mastered the junk science of losing elections.

   Every time I hear or see McCain, McConnell, Graham, Boehner, Cantor,
   Romney, Huckabee, “Jebbie” and the rest, I just tune out to whatever they are saying. It’s just like those endless robocalls trying to get me to buy an extended service contract on my car. I hang up.

3. #702501
   On May 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Pasadena Phil said:

   Just heard on Bloomberg that Congress is considering establishing a municipal bond guarantee facility within the Treasury. Isn’t this a Tenth Amendment issue?

   I realize that one-world government requires the erasing of national borders but are we also eliminating the relevance of states?

4. #702509
   On May 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, txvet2 said:

   On May 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Pasadena Phil said:

   The Tenth Amendment was repealed in 1861 by the left’s favorite Republican President. You might have missed it – it wasn’t really publicized. .

5. #702516
   On May 18th, 2009 at 12:15 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   txvet2: at least 30 states have passed “sovereignty” measures reclaiming/underscoring their tenth amendment rights.

   And no one (except a few misguided nuts in the South) is interested in re-fighting the Civil War. The right side won and that is just the way it is going to remain.

6. #702517
   On May 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

   Only one amendment has ever been repealed: the 18th.

   What amendment are you talking about, txvet2? Or, are you kidding?

7. #702518
   On May 18th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

   Ah. That.

8. #702521
   On May 18th, 2009 at 12:20 pm, Ragspierre said:

   As I’ve noted before…

   fascist economic policy has been in ascendancy in the US since the 1930s…

   under both political parties, it just keeps ticking along, faster or slower.

   Now, it is galloping…

   We have to refuse to be eaten.

9. #702528
   On May 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

   and the GOP’s effort to “rebrand” itself is lead by mortgage entitlement expansionist John McCain.

   (buuurrrrppp!) More tea vicar?

10. #702540
    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Pasadena Phil
    And no one (except a few misguided nuts in the South) is interested in re-fighting the Civil War. The right side won and that is just the way it is going to remain.

    Thomas Jefferson

    , — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    Just how much Liberty are we willing to sacrifice to mollify the Left? The Fascist always comes back for more. North South? I think not; there are Patriots and Traitors in every town, city and state. No Phil, it will not be North South, no great columns of men marching to the drum.
    The country I grew up in and learned to love is gone and will be no more. Neither the Third Reich, New World Order or Peoples Republic interests me.

11. #702629
    On May 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, zyzzyg said:

    COMPLICITY

    Complicity, up and down the line. Congress, Banks, Administrations, Homeowners, Government Institions, Speculators, on and on, and, on and on.

    The unfortunate reality is that many of the actions taken are a result of the pendulum swinging to address actions that should have been corrected in other ways. The pendulum swung and knocked the crap out of the economy.

    Had we only lived up to our Constitution and the principles set forth therein, been consistent, and lived up to our higher ideals, we would not have used motgages to cure what has ailed our nation.

    The equal application of the law, and a full understanding of capitalism, should have been advanced by our politicians.

12. #702670
    On May 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pm, txvet2 said:

    txvet2: at least 30 states have passed “sovereignty” measures reclaiming/underscoring their tenth amendment rights.

    Which have meaning only in those circumstances when the Federal government allows them to. Try squaring those “sovereignty” measures with medicaid, medicare, social security, and any of a thousand other federal programs that override state authority. Crying about lost state sovereignty now is slamming the door about 150 years after the horse left.

    And no one (except a few misguided nuts in the South) is interested in re-fighting the Civil War. The right side won and that is just the way it is going to remain.

    Not refighting any war, just pointing out the unforeseen consequences. And if you look at the history of war, the “right” side is always the side that won. For the record, several of my ancestors fought (and some died) in that war, all but one for the North.

13. #702671
    On May 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, txvet2 said:

    On May 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    There you go, quoting that “misguided nut” Jefferson again.

14. #702692
    On May 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, cheapseat said:

    in order to form a more perfect union… when the individual states joined the union, they sure believed they could unjoin. any historical text or newsprint of the time states clearly that signatories to the constitution could amend or abolish it, as they had abolished their first attempt and the constitution of england.

15. #702940
    On May 18th, 2009 at 8:39 pm, TruthToBeTold said:

    Yes, and the Republican “leadership” had a chance to do 2 positive things at one time and instead decided, even before there was a primary, to back the RINO Crist in Florida. They could have stayed out of Florida politics until after the primary and then backed the winner, but they were afraid that the WRONG ONE would win it. Instead, they shoot down a young and upcoming Conservative, who also happens to be Hispanic, to run an old white RINO and thus send another message to all US Hispanics that the Republicans don’t want them in office and they are UNIMPORTANT to Republicans. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, twice.

    A whole lot of shooting, but I don’t mean literally for fear of the pacifist backlash.