California to tax-and-spenders: No, no, no, no, and hell no.
As expected, all the Taxinator’s ballot measures but one (the pay freeze) went down in flames yesterday.
As expected, the liberal establishment will characterize voters as tantrum-throwers. When initiatives go their way, voters are wise, smart, discerning citizens. When initiatives fail miserably, the electorate is a moronic mob.
Schwarzenegger was left blubbering in defense of his decision to party in Washington while California burns.
Now, it’s time for the rest of us to make sure we don’t get stuck with the bills racked up by the poster child for dysfunction.
No. Hell no.
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Hey Phil
the water is just fine here in SC.
Donks take note: California is the canary in the coal mine. Even in the deepest of blue states, the electorate still has a pain threshold which, when exceeded, will lead them to strike back.
When one considers that the current Federal plan to print up ten trillion dollars in funny-money and throw a party is California on steroids, expect a massive backlash in 2010 and a one-term presidency for Hope-a-Dope.
Donks, you’d better get the “fix” in before 2012, or your Maximum Leader is going to be writing his third memoir in 2013…
The biggest problem in California is that the Public Unions own the Politicians. Let me give you a couple examples of shear stupidity due to a Politician selling out to the Unions.
When Gray Davis was facing the recall, he gave the prison guard union the biggest raise in state history (33%) and gave them the right to retire after 20 years of service at 90% of their highest year earnings. In addition, he gave the same to all state law enforcement like the California Highway Patrol.
So now you have the CHP paying a first year officer over 100K a year to start and they can retire at around 110k+ a year with cost of living increases.
The prison guards start at around 85k a year and retire at 90% of their wages or around 90k + a year with cost of living increases.
These kind of pay and benefit packages are unsustainable and will eventually bankrupt the state. A first year economic major would know this but Gray Davis was desperate to buy the Union Vote and said the hell with the taxpayers.
This vote buying scheme has gone on year after year in California to the point it will bankrupt the state unless they reduce salaries and benefits.
Gray Davis lost the election with his vote buying scheme but the pay raises continue to plague the state taxpayers.
This is a textbook example of how to bankrupt the state with diminishing vote returns for the corrupt politicians. They have reached the ceiling on buying votes because taxes can no longer keep up with the outrageous union increases.
Phil,
You seem to be similiar to some of the other Californians on here, resorting to offense to anyone that talks about California and jumping to conclusions and a defensive nature that everyone is saying where they are is a Nirvana. This is merely a sarcastic response to something no one is saying and is a faulty arguement that if A is saying this, then B must be the opposite.
Non-Californians are some of the best to assess the situation since we don’t have the emotional connection. We also recognize that what happens in California, happens elsewhere, sometimes down the road, so our view of it is one of understanding your pain and situation and seeing it may be us as well.
You say that you (Cali’s) are “doing something about it” and you have as far as some things are concerned, but the journey is long and looking at it from this angle, the journey is also just starting.
I live in Texas, and yes, we must be Nirvana compared to California, but even if it is not, that is irrelevant as is where anyone else is from. If only Californians can talk about this, then perhaps you should also turn your back on the support the rest of us want to give, but I don’t believe this is what you or us want. Let’s unite against this, not take this small victory and use it as a wedge against those that support you.
I support NO state, but I do support principles and those that stand up for them.
California already has term limits. Obviously terms limits are not totally effective in weeding out self serving partisan hacks from office. The Party controls things and the candidate is just a figurehead.
O, ye of little Faith! The sleeping giant has awaken. The Tea Parties jolted them from the apathetic slumber.
Obama/Schwarzenegger, et.al., have gone too far.
Taxpayers are gearing up for the fight.
20% turnout. Votes were mostly 60-40. That is not overwhelming. I haven’t seen the county by county vote but odds on are that LA and San Fran voted overwhelmingly for the measures. Those 2 cesspools of Democratic voters control California.
Add in the ever increasing power of Unions (Teachers, Prison Guards, Government Workers, Illegal Aliens) and there is a power base that can not be breached. This vote was an anomoly probably centered around flawed ballot measure wording that had those core democrats confused. After all, 40% of the voters voted FOR them. This vote should have been 70-30 or 80-20.
California IS the poster child for the failure of socialism. It has been failing for decades. The real funny thing is the relationship of taxes and revenue. They can’t figure out that lowering taxes increases revenue for spending. Increasing taxes reduces revenue for spending. You want more money? LOWER taxes. Businesses and individuals will take this extra money they keep and grow the economy. Hence, more taxpayers, more revenue, even in the face of a recession. More people will have a job instead of a government handout. Crikey!
Now the question is, what does failure mean? The Feds will buy California? The Chinese will? How does a State “fail”?
I live in Texas too. Came to realize a long time ago there is no such place as nirvana. We, hopefully, have staked out our own little pieces of heaven, enjoy living and working there, and prosper. People do fear they could end up in the same mess that California and New York find themselves. For much poorer states to bail out those that have thrown away tens of millions of dollars, conjured up programs that are unsustainable – nevermind benefiting only the workers hired to manage them, will guarantee we all end up bankrupt.
What a novel idea it was to set up state’s rights so that anything not covered by The Constitution belonged to the states. Nothing there that says any state should be responsible for the poor decisions in another nor have to contribute because they want more than they can afford.
Every other state legislature needs to be prepared to consider any and all recourse should Obama and Schwarenegger conspire to federalize the California debt. As a Virginian I do not feel obligated to be paying union retirement to California prison guards and CHP officers. I didn’t get a penny’s worth of service from these guys and I shouldn’t have to pay a penny’s worth for what I didn’t get.
Maybe this will be what it takes to really wake up taxpayers but when Virginians and Texans get a tax bill for California teachers, prison guards and cops it will be a rude shock.
As of right now, the results are as follows:
1A NO – 66%
1B NO – 63%
1C NO – 65%
1D NO – 66%
1E NO – 66%
1F YES – 74%
These are LANDSLIDE numbers… especialy when you consider the sheer number of Liberals here in CA who had to vote against their party line.
Given that Dems outnumber Reps here by about 2 to 1 and assuming uniform turnout, these numbers mean that even if we carried 100% of Reps, we got fully half of Dems also.
The Governator issues a statement that he’d have to lay off 5000 state workers, cut spending on schools and other public services, and the reply was a resounding “Good! It’s about time!”
CA is ready for a REAL conservative to lead us. I still don’t regret my votes for Arnold though… considering what Obama did after Bush, I shudder to think what Bustamante would have done … and whether there would be anything left for a REAL conservative to lead.
The courts in California don’t care. Proposed cuts WILL be struck down by the courts! The courts WILL mandate higher spending to protect the “rights” of illegal aliens and other “disadvantaged people” residing in California. Elections no longer matter.
Bustamante, the La Raza racist could have won that election. Another example of California voter ignorance. Who will be next? Gavin Newsome?
Isn’t Jerry Brown running? Who could be better than Gov. Moonbeam in office again at the same time the second coming of Jimmah Carter is in the White House?
’70’s redux.
Could it be also that we taxpayers have become inured to the sheer numbers bandied about with regard to the budget shortfall. We were told 6 billion short if all props passed, 21 billion if all failed. What is 6 billion anymore when the feds are running in the trillions???
Jerry Brown. Example of term limits run amuck.
Just sitting here, waiting for the feds order to bend over, here it comes. That’s about all we can really do at the moment there are not enough principled politicians in Congress to just say “NO” to out-of-control growth in government.
As Rush mentioned, why is it that the feds can “fire” the head of an automobile manufacturer, but no government can fire any nonessential government employees, that is any government employee except those who protect our safety such as police, fire, national security, etc., personnel.
The 8 hundred pound gorilla in the room are millions of illegals. Asking me to support your illegals when every state is bankrupting itself to do so is cheeky at best. Every state needs to put up a ‘No Vacancy’ sign. I don’t care whether they’re from Mexico, Pakistan, China, Somalia, Russia or Mars. Throw their employers in jail, cut off the welfare benefits to mothers of anchor babies, and keep your elderly in your homeland. I know H1B workers that have brought over their entire families so it’s pretty clear they came to visit and never went home. I’m guessing they are on some kind of Medicaid because they’re always running to the doctor for something. The problems may correct themselves if we slide far enough into a recession.
With a $100 billion dollar budget, that could be compared to an individual who makes $100 thousand a year by dividing all the numbers by 1 million.
Therefore, if I make $100 thousand a year, $6 billion compares to $6,000 in my budget. $21 billion is like $21,000 in mine.
Of course, the $100,000 in my example is the gross. Since, fed and state incomes taxes, social security, licenses, fees, property taxes etc eat up about 1/2 of my gross, I am only left with $50 thousand to spend so if I make $100,000 a year,and can only spend half, $6 billion becomes $3,000 and $21 billion becomes $10,500 in my budget. Thats $250 a month and $875 a month respectively.
If your gross is half of $100,000, then half the number again.
I guess I will have to either cancel my monthly cable bill or not buy that new car.
Is giving up cable or a new car that bad if I help out an illegal alien from Mexico or pay a union worker to retire at age 50? How selfish of me.
Here’s a handy little table on who pays for who. (2005 is the most recent year I could find.)
For every $1.00 California sent to the federal government, it got 77 cents back. Where does your state stand?
Border security and illegal immigration is the responsibility of the federal government and hence the political will of all 50 states. Yet Californians pays an overwhelming amount for the illegal invasion.
Californians voted to stop the insane budget spending by a margin of 2 to 1. They also recently voted to ban gay marriage.
The report I posted earlier (#86) shows, as of 2008:
7.0 million registered Democrats
5.8 million registered Republicans
3.9 million registered Idependents
The Republican party has basically written off 10 million Republican and Independent voters in California.
Enjoy the drunken sailors from Illinois currently occupying the White House.
*Let the state bleed out; They continue to vote in these rat bastards that loves them the union thugs and illegal aliens; Institute mandatory E-Verify for all public services(including schools), employment, subs, et al, and the mass self-deportation will begin; Then trim all other obvious waste and they’ll have a sound budget going into FY 2011.
*Don’t look now, but New York will be domino #2.
New Jersey #3?
*I’m here in Tennessee; We have a Democratic Governor, but he has enough sense to make necessary cuts to keep a balanced budget until things turn around; We have no state income tax(hopefully never), and people are flocking here by the thousands from California, Michigan, and Florida; They have had enough, and I don’t blame them.
The CEO hasn’t got a union contract to keep him on the job in order to keep those union dues coming in to pay off politicians to enforce the union point of view and protect those union dues coming in from employees who are next to impossible to fire.
The Leading Cultural Indicators, a book assembled by Bill Bennett, provides considerable clues as to why the public school systems around the country so expensive and so bloated. There is at least one administrator for one teacher – yet just a few decades ago there was only one administrator for three teachers. Administration has obviously grown and it is expensive – thank the lawyers by the way.
Also, education has been propagandized by the left and far too many children grow up thinking that America is a bad country and that the free enterprise system punishes people. Until this distortion of truth is fixed, I see no reason to further invest in public school systems. (California would greatly benefit by privatizing and, therefore, diversifying its public education — and they would save billion by doing so.)
That LA Times article is really rather frightening. I got the impression while I was reading it that the author figures we should just do away with elections and let the exalted elite make all the decisions.
Um, no, crap-for-brains, that is called “communism.”
Nail.On.The.Head! This is exactly what they want. They know what is best for you and me! If we would just bow down and let them take care of us.
We peasants can be so revolting…
Do a search on their website and you will find they endorsed all of the props except 1F, the exact opposiite of the electorate despite the fact all the public unions bused their people to the polls.
Unfortunately I am part of the problem.
My new house is in a development project that was sold to a Californina Pension, while my mortgage is backed by Fannie Mae.
My car will now be serviced by Fiat and I havent even wanted to know if my primary dealership is still in existence.
One word:
L…A…Z…Y
“If a man will not work, let him not eat either” (Proverbs)
Note particularly how San Francisco voted.
{^_^}
If I have to pay for CA’s budget, I want a say in that budget.
No taxation without representation.
People are learning from BIG BRO…
Unintended consequences…?
Or not…?
Arnie is finally talking about offshire drilling. Go ahead, make it a reality, Mr. Governator. Challenge Nancy P. Lousy to arm-wrestling. Untie the strings and stop wearing Maria’s apron. Show us you are the man you were when you announced your governatorial intentions on Jay’s show.
We need to do this now, or California will start taxing the movie stars to the hilt to bail the State out. We all know we can’t have that. Their pretty mugs would all turn sour!