The jihadi virus in our jails

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 22, 2009 05:03 AM


Photo source: NYPost

The jihadi virus in our jails
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009

President Obama’s speech on homeland security was 6,072 words long. Curiously, he chose not to spare an “a,” “and,” or “uh” on the New York City terror bust that dominated headlines the morning of his Tuesday address. Did the teleprompter run out of room?

After a year-long investigation launched by the Bush administration, the feds cracked down on a ring of murder-minded black Muslim jailhouse converts preparing to bomb two Bronx synagogues and “eager to bring death to Jews.” They also planned to attack a New York National Guard air base in Newburgh, New York, where the suspects lived and worshiped at a local mosque.

Not one word from the president on the jihadists’ intended victims, motives, or means.

No comfort for the reported targets in the Big Apple, still raw from the Scare Force One rattling that so vainly and recklessly simulated 9/11.

No condemnation for the accused plotters.

Why? Because doing so would force Obama to abandon his cottony “extremist ideology” euphemisms and confront the concrete truth. To borrow one of our obtuse president’s favorite clichés, “let me be perfectly clear” about the reality Obama won’t touch: America faces an ongoing Islamic jihad at home and abroad. Not merely “man-caused.” But Koran-inspired. Yet, Obama refuses to spell out the centuries-old roots of the war that he claims he’ll win faster, better, and cleaner than any of his predecessors.

Moreover, his push to transfer violent Muslim warmongers into our civilian prisons – where they have proselytized and plotted with impunity– will only make the problem worse. A brief refresher course for the Left’s amnesiacs about the festering jihadi virus in our jails and overseas:

In 2005, Bush administration officials busted a terrorist plot to attack infidels at military and Jewish sites in the Los Angeles on the fourth anniversary of 9/11 or the Jewish holy days. It was devised by militant Muslim converts of Jam’iyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh (Arabic for “Assembly of Authentic Islam”) who had sworn allegiance to violent jihad at California’s New Folsom State Prison.

Jose Padilla, the convicted terror conspirator, converted to Islam during a stint at a Broward County, Fla., jail and reportedly fell in with terrorist recruiters after his release. Convicted Shoe Bomber Richard Reid converted to Islam with the help of an extremist imam in a British prison.

Aqil Collins, a self-confessed jihadist turned FBI informant, converted to Islam while doing time in a California juvenile detention center. At a terrorist camp in Afghanistan, he went on to train with one of the men accused of kidnapping and beheading Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

In East Texas, inmates were recruited with a half-hour videotape featuring the anti-Semitic rants of California-based Imam Muhammad Abdullah, who claims that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were actually carried out by the Israeli and U.S. governments.

Federal corrections officials told congressional investigators during the Bush years “that convicted terrorists from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing were put into their prisons’ general population , where they radicalized inmates and told them that terrorism was part of Islam.”

Despite the insistence of Obama and the Jihadi Welcome Wagon that our civilian prisons are perfectly secure, convicted terror helper Lynne Stewart helped jailed 1993 World Trade Center bombing/NY landmark bombing plot mastermind Omar Abdel-Rahman smuggle coded messages of Islamic violence from the imprisoned sheik to outside followers in violation of an explicit pledge to abide by her client’s court-ordered isolation.

As I’ve reported previously, U.S. Bureau of Prison reports have warned for years that our civilian detention facilities are major breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists. There are still not enough legitimately trained and screened Muslim religious leaders to counsel an estimated 9,000 U.S. prison inmates who demand Islamic services. Under the Bush administration, the federal prison bureaucracy had no policy in place to screen out extremist, violence-advocating Islamic chaplains; failed to properly screen the many contractors and volunteers who help provide religious services to Islamic inmates; and shied away from religious profiling.

What’s Obama’s plan to prevent the jihadi virus from spreading? Washing hands and covering mouths won’t work for this disease.

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More from the NYPost on the jailhouse conversions of the would-be synagogue bombers:

Richard Williams said that his 32-year-old nephew fell under the sway of dangerously radical Islamo-fascists while serving time on drug charges — and that he became “brainwashed” after his mother died and his ex-wife fought him for custody of their child.

“They played on his weaknesses and what was going on with his family,” Richard said. “He was brainwashed and manipulated in the system.”

Authorities say Onta Williams fell in with his three alleged co-conspirators, James Cromitie, 45, David Williams, 28, and 37-year-old Laguerre Payen, at a Newburgh mosque, where they bonded when they discovered they were all ex-cons.

Relatives and friends of the other three men charged in the horrific plot to blow up two Bronx synagogues and shoot down an Air National Guard plane said the men never expressed any interest in terrorism. But they all quickly developed a deep interest in Islam in jail.

Williams’ uncle — who himself once served 10 years on a drug charge — said he was familiar with prison converts to Islam.

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  1. #1
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 am, graysonret said:

    Good morning, Michelle! This rookie president of ours has very little sense when it comes to national security. I hope the other “plots”, that I’m sure are in the planning stages, will be stopped too…regardless of the roadblocks Dear Leader throws out.

  2. #2
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 am, et said:

    Washing hands and covering mouths won’t work for this disease.

    But opening ones eyes will. Unfortunately to open ‘the ones’ eyes many thousands will die.

  3. #3
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:08 am, ajmontana said:
  4. #4
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 am, dj said:

    What’s Obama’s plan to prevent keep the jihadi virus from spreading?

    Now we know why BO is so eager to have the Gitmo detainees transferred to US prisons.

  5. #5
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 am, ajmontana said:

    dj, the only thing Odopey is eager to do is spend money. After all, he wanted 80 million to fund it to assure a wad of cash for his lil buddies… aka Terrorists. :roll:

  6. #6
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 am, MtsEdge said:

    Despite what he SAYS, he has shown neither an interest in nor understanding of American sovereignty and national security.

  7. #7
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 am, dj said:

    How much evidence do the drooling masses need to show that BHO is not operating in the country’s best interest, and is certainly not keeping his pledge to uphold the constitution? I swear I feel like suing him and congress. They supposedly work for the citizens and are not doing their jobs. How do we get them fired, and I don’t feel like waiting until 2010.

  8. #8
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 am, zorro said:

    Another excellent column Michelle. Please post a refresher to remind us of the damage done to our intelligence collection methods when Bill Klinton prosecuted terrorist in open court.

  9. #9
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 am, MtsEdge said:

    How do we get them fired, and I don’t feel like waiting until 2010.

    Does an impeachment need to start in Congress? How about a grass-roots petition effort? Special election, recall election, whatever.

  10. #10
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 am, ajmontana said:

    How do we get them fired.

    Nah, not fired I say lets give them an all expence paid vacation to Mexico for all the hard work they do. :shock:

  11. #11
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 am, RetFireman said:

    It’s as I stated here yesterday and elsewhere, Placing these Jihadists into our prisons will only WORSEN the problem, not make anything beter. These thugs, sworn to kill Americans and destroy everything in the West that does not cowtow to their version of Islam, will be placed into an environment where thugs who ARE citizens and who are either already Muslim or, as in three of those arrested recently in New York, recent or soon to be “jailhouse converts” to “The Religion of Peace” and more than susceptable to the rantings of fellow criminally insane lunatice with personal grudges and vendettas against those in this country they have deemed to be insignificant and thus to be destroyed.

    Obama and the Liberals who follow him are so incredibly stupid…yes, I say stupid, not ignorant, for anyone who cannot see the inherant issues involved with placing jihadists who have been taken in the War on Terror already into a SuperMax or other type prison environment, and placed amongst those who are already taking the American Prison System Master’s Course on Violent Crime is, at their very core, incredibly stupid. The arrests the other day do nothing more than PROVE WHY GIT-MO IS NEEDED, not why it should be shut down.

  12. #12
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 am, dj said:

    Nah, not fired I say lets give them an all expence paid vacation to Mexico for all the hard work they do

    I think we should send them to Antarctica so they can see Global Warming first hand.

  13. #13
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 am, ajmontana said:

    400 Jihadisicles…. i like it. lol

  14. #14
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 am, jjmurphy said:

    RetFireman is right. Can you think of a more fertile ground for recruiting jihadists than a prison? These criminals already hate society, are not the brightest tools in the shed (by the simple fact of being in prison in the first place) and love violence. Islam is perfect for them!!!! The imams must be salivating at the prospect of their idiot convict army.

  15. #15
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 am, docflash said:

    What do you want him to do about it?He has made it clear that he “inherited this mess”.

  16. #16
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 am, Craig said:

    Jihad? What jihad? There’s no stinking jihad….

    /

  17. #17
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:02 am, torabora said:

    He’s not a Muslim. He said so.

  18. #18
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 am, marsouin said:

    #7

    I swear I feel like suing him and congress.

    It’s not them who are the root of all this mess. It’s the US Supreme Court who have given politicians the go ahead to be corrupt. The Progressive justices have made US politics extremely profitable.

  19. #19
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:16 am, Ron said:

    Michelle, need to update/fix the reference for Obama’s talk from Tuesday to Thursday. Otherwise, how right you are.

  20. #20
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 am, dj said:

    Sort of OT, I just read over on Drudge that the WH barred the WH Pool reporters from covering a basketball game BO had with the Lady Huskies, and had his own media produce a report. Obviously a b-ball game is not important news, but….

    This is bone chilling.

  21. #21
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 am, jangar said:

    The man will not defend a baby born alive, despises conservatives, has no use for flyover country, thinks that we the people are his piggybank, and continues to disregard the constitution.

    Now I ask you…why should he show any interest in defending the citizens of the United States? He’s more of a terrorist-in-drag than a president, at least not a president of this country.

  22. #22
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 am, tre said:

    But Duh One still wants to cut our military, even though this proves that the fight still isn’t over.

    Over at Huff Po, the looney leftwing liberals are saying things like these:

    <blockquoteHow many people were tortured to stop this attack?

    None.

    How many countries were invaded and civilians blown up to stop this attack?

    None.

    This is the result of good law enforcement, intelligence, and investigating. This is how you deal with terrorism

    They were the easiest targets to setup. Well, maybe not so easy. It took the FBI a year to teach these guys about Stinger missiles and c4, what it could do, and how to “try” to get it.

    this is a joke, right? these clowns were set up by a government provacateur. they didn’t even know the bombs were fake.

    I heard they were in the process of obtaining heat-seeking missiles, nuclear weapons, and armored vehicles because of their constitutional right to bear arms. The arms were being supplied by a Republican weapons dealer who is one of the major contributors to the NRA.

    And a few hundred more likt these.

  23. #23
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 am, pubscout said:

    What if a Jihadi launches a plot to produce Obungler’s long form Birth certificate? Think he’ll take action then?

  24. #24
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On the same question of:

    What’s Obama’s plan to prevent the jihadi virus from spreading?

    What are the Republicans planning on doing? This is what Rahm Emanuel is saying:

    White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said Cheney’s prominence in the debate was actually an advantage for the administration, because it showed disarray within the Republican Party.

    Most Republicans would probably prefer to be represented by a standard-bearer whose name was “picked out of a hat” rather than Cheney, Emanuel said in an interview.

    It is a sad statement on the state of the GOP that his comments are true. So long as the GOP refuses to rid itself of its current leadership, they will sink ever deeper into irrelevancy. A party cannot be led by cowards who will not fight.

  25. #25
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 am, michele hampton said:

    Even Dingy Harry gets that Americans don’t want terrorists in US prisons. I was shocked when I saw his statement to the press yesterday. This is the only thing that Harry has said that I can get behind. Let’s see if the Dems stick to their “guns” and block Obama’s attempt to close Gitmo.

  26. #26
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:01 am, sbw999 said:

    With Bush, it was political correctness, the slow acting poison that is killing America. With OBama it is brain dead liberalism. That one hundredth of one percent of my tax money would go to feeding a terrorist in prison is enough to make me physically ill.

    With Obama’s naive and dangerous policies, we will be attacked; we just dont know when.

  27. #27
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 am, Mach1Duck said:

    I fear Obama’s policies will sell American security to the Islamist. His approach of “Let us negoiate” has failed for fourteen hundred years. What makes him think that now Islamist will change?

  28. #28
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am, jangar said:

    With Obama’s naive and dangerous policies, we will be attacked; we just dont know when.

    And DHS has published the targets, so there’s the who.

  29. #29
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 am, Savage24 said:

    Pasadena Phil said “A party cannot be led by cowards who will not fight”. Pray tell me just who is leading the democrats, cowards who are only willing to fight for re-election. That is the same damned thing leading the republicans. The only losers in this game are the American people. WAKE UP AMERICA !

  30. #30
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 am, jangar said:

    What makes him think that now Islamist will change?

    He be blood and down with the struggle?

  31. #31
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 am, happy2behere said:

    I like Cheney, he is swift and to the point. Perfect for this silly fight. We are moving dangerous terrorists to our land so we look better to the world.

    Lets invite the lion into our house so the do-nothing neighbors will stop complaining he is creating havoc in our neighborhood.

  32. #32
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am, ajmontana said:

    michele hampton said:
    Even Dingy Harry gets that Americans don’t want terrorists in US prisons

    I think it’s more of 2010 issue than Harry the tommy turd “gets it” Dingy only gets one thing, and that’s NOTHING.

    Same goes with all the others….
    re-election, they vote yes and it’s toast for them, hopefully they will be toast anyway.

  33. #33
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 am, tarpon said:

    ZERO wants to add better teachers to the jails.

  34. #34
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am, GraniteMan said:

    This A.M.’s St Louis Post Dispatch (Left wing) failed to mention this connection. They mentioned only that they were Americans. They did mention one guy wanted to see on TV what they had done (big explosion) and be able to say “I did that”. Since Obama spoke about bringing terrorists to US prisons Post covers his butt about conversion efforts in US prisons creating more terrorists.

  35. #35
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Hollyweird has fallen all over it’s ego making films about the wonderful conversion to Islam of Malcolm X while in prison-I don’t know, perhaps Islam is the ultimate gang for these thugs.
    While “Obama refuses to spell out the centuries-old roots of the war” we can be sure he KNOWS better than most but is loyal to his muslim homies, father and step father.

    Several times the FBI and police have stopped these clowns. But eventually one of these groups IS going to link up with some connected true believers. Being American they will be able to penetrate an airport or military base.

    Who Obama and Janet Nepolitano will blame-Christians or Jews, maybe Israel-is to be seen. What we do know is they will not blame Islam. Obama has been exposed to these anti-American types since youth-Frank Marshall Davis- as an adult by GD America Wright AND the anti-semitism of the Black Nationalist movement.

    Is Obama naive? I think not-clever, dangerous and full of rage yes, naive no.

    Protect yourself.

  36. #36
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 am, Jimmie said:

    Well that is the US of A prison system. I was talking to a Fin not long ago…A guy from Finland. He surprised me by saying that if he had to go to jail he would much rather it be in Turkey than in the US. Shock….everybody knows Jail in Turkey is the worst….right…..his position was that at least in Turkey he would not be raped. And that is the short story. The US system is so far gone in protecting inmate rights that they have given up control. If you are a black guy in US jail and if you do not join the Muslims you have no protection. In far to many cases people come out of US prisons far worse persons than when they went in…..solutions…..send in more lawyers….lots more lawyers.

  37. #37
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Before getting an aneurysm over this, read Charles Krauthammer’s latest column. There is more Obama kabuki theater going on here than substance.

    What we are actually witnessing is a president who is so beholden to the nutty left of his own party due to his ill-considered campaign promises that he can’t find the courage or integrity to tell the truth to a very small but vocal minority. He also believes this sells well oversees. He is trying to be everything to everybody. Just like the current GOP. “Electability” over principles.

  38. #38
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 am, no2pcbs1 said:

    what will zero do to combat terrorism, sit on his thumb and rotate. clueless best defines that which the sheep call president.

  39. #39
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 am, travlinman said:

    Let’s quit handling these pieces of crap with kid gloves and give them what they desire; a trip straight to the bossom of Allah and their reward of 72 virgins. Problem solved.
    Our great leader is blinded by his ideology and his upbringing in the Islamic culture. No tin foil hat here, but his overall shallow approach to the war on terror and his lack of response to this situation makes you wonder about his inner feelings toward Islam.

  40. #40
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 am, flmom said:

    He also believes this sells well oversees. He is trying to be everything to everybody.

    But he’s really, really popular and all that and Dick Cheney isn’t, so there.
    LGM mode off/

  41. #41
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Most Republicans would probably prefer to be represented by a standard-bearer whose name was “picked out of a hat” rather than Cheney, Emanuel said in an interview.

    My my, how good of these leftist to be concerned about the Republican Party. Has Colin Powell take up Rush’s offer? How long Rahm Emmanuel will survive under Sharia is to be seen.

  42. #42
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    flmom: actually, CNN reported yesterday (and I linked it here) that Cheney’s popularity is on the rise.

    Obama is sowing the seeds of his undoing among his base, just like the GOP did with conservatives. The difference is that conservatives reflect the views of more than 60% of the population when the issues are presented (rather than asking people if they are conservatives). The nutty left represents the views of less than 12% of the population.

    We are winning. Let’s not forget that.

  43. #43
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am, RobM1981 said:

    We know that these four maggots represent the whole conspiracy, because the FBI and NYPD have been involved from very early in this.

    But what if this was just a cell, and the FBI wasn’t able to penetrate into the rest of the organization?

    Should we waterboard these guys, or let a couple of square miles of NYC go up in a cloud of dust?

    According to Chauncey, the right answer is “poof… there goes NYC…”

  44. #44
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:02 am, flmom said:

    ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Rahm was doing what any good Alinskyite would do. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

  45. #45
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 am, DBNinKY said:

    It was devised by militant Muslim converts of Jam’iyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh (Arabic for “Assembly of Authentic Islam”) who had sworn allegiance to violent jihad at California’s New Folsom State Prison.

    Won’t the communities in which these prisons are located be placed at risk as possible targets for the detainees’ “friends & family,” many of whom may choose to legally locate in these towns for retaliation purposes?

  46. #46
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 am, Ragspierre said:

    Rahm was doing what any good Alinskyite would do. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

    ‘Zackly…

  47. #47
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 am, flmom said:

    Pasadena Phil

    I was channeling LGM. I suspect that the rise in Cheney’s numbers are due to the fact that he is finally in the open and able to articulate his views. The media vacuum he was operating in during the Bush years were the main reason his numbers were low. It just illustrates very clearly how the MSM can skew public opinion.

  48. #48
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:02 am, flmom said:

    ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Rahm was doing what any good Alinskyite would do. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

    Rahm is getting away with it because the GOP refuses take him on. That was the whole point of Cheney stepping up and doing it himself. The GOP has strategized itself into being a party of completely irrelevant cowards. There IS no GOP today. The Democrats have to attack Rush, Bush, Cheney, bloggers and US for the lack of an opponent in the arena. “Both” parties are war with us but require proxies to bash. That speaks volumes for how effective and popular the conservative message is. Imagine if we had elected leadership?

  49. #49
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 am, flmom said:

    Pasadena Phil

    On May 21st, 2009 at 8:56 am, flmom said:

    Dick Cheney is showing the leadership that the Republicans are sadly lacking. He has now put the Obama administration on defense mode, Republicans should take note. Though, not holding my breath.

    You and I are on the same page there.

  50. #50
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Chuck Colson of Prison Fellowship Ministries has been sounding the alarm for what is happening in our prisons and Islam for some time. No one apparently bothered to listen.

    http://www.pfm.org/site_hmpg.asp?id=23

  51. #51
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am, ajmontana said:

    flmom said:
    I was channeling LGM.

    flmom, is that some type of code speak for you were cleaning your toilet? 8)

  52. #52
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 am, prendad said:

    Is our new president trying his best to DESTROY AMERICA? First he ramps up our debt to unheard of historic highs. Now, instead of keeping terrorists AWAY from America, he wants to import them and imbed them right in the cozy, warm heart of our prison system where they can comfortably breed and create new allies for Islam. The best place in the world for these turds is right where they are, in Gitmo. But NOOOOOOO, our new president will soon fix that, again screwing up a good deal and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

  53. #53
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 am, flmom said:

    ajmontana

    Sorry, the code speak translator is on the fritz.
    Channeling LGM = Wading through a sewer full of excrement up to my armpits.

  54. #54
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    As some other poster said, “Terrorist–Rope–Tree!” Some assembly required.
    ***
    Barring that–GITMO for life looks pretty good to me.
    ***
    Or we could send them back to Folsom Penitentiary–they do a good job “rehabilitating” them there–some good Muslim religous training might help.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  55. #55
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 am, GladzKravtz said:

    So glad MM addressed this. I’ve heard news of recruitment in prisons off and on over the years and can not figure out why it hasn’t been reported more.

    I swear I feel like suing him and congress.

    I feel exactly the same way – I believe this president and congress will be directly responsible if we are attacked again. Large or small attack.
    Also, watch any attack be reported as a general crime and not terrorism…….

  56. #56
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 am, John Deaux said:

    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am, Pasadena Phil said:
    flmom: actually, CNN reported yesterday (and I linked it here) that Cheney’s popularity is on the rise.

    But CNN is the linchpin of the right wing noise machine.

    /lgm

  57. #57
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:41 am, Mister P said:

    It should be obvious to everyone by now that Obama is completely unqualified to preside. He is immature, petulant, ignorant and conceded. In otherwords he is a juvenile playing with adults. At some point the adults will just have to take over.

  58. #58
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=3383

    You get the point. This issue has not been reported in a way that anyone has taken it seriously. Maybe now with the capture of these 4 some folks, enough folks, will wake up? Who knows these days…….

  59. #59
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
  60. #60
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
  61. #61
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 am, bear1909 said:

    Soetoro takes his marching orders from a world banking cartel that foolishly believes they can have the Jihadi snakes at the new world order table and not be bitten.

    The jihadis will bring it all down if the numb nutted leaders of the cartel believe they can deal with jihad in a civilized manner.

    Soetoro was chosen by the world banking cartel to persuade these radical Islamist murderers, and the Islamic nation states that finance them, to come play nice. Chosen.

    And by the rules of that game, American lives are expendable.

    Bear1909 out.

  62. #62
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 am, Truesoldier said:

    Firsto Obama claims that the Bush Administration releasing detaineees back to their homelands where they ended up back in the battle (of course he forgets to mention that it was he and his ilk that forced this to happen) is what is causing terrorist recruitment to skyrocket; yet there is multiple casses of actual recruiting going on in our prison systems and he claims this will make us not only safer, but more legitimate in “world opinion” (news to dear leader most Americans could care less what Europe thinks of us).

    My only question is, can Obama truly be this ignorant or is this all part of a plan to bring our nation as we know it down so that it can be rebuilt into a Socialist Utopia? I seem to remember that was basically his father’s plan in Africa.

  63. #63
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 am, Ragspierre said:
  64. #64
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    From Krauthammer’s article:

    The Bush policies in the war on terror won’t have to await vindication by historians. Obama is doing it day by day.

    Obummer will never admit it, though. He’ll always say they’re doing it better. This has to be the result of the “Holy Sh*t!” revelation he experienced during the intell briefings he started getting once (s)elected.

  65. #65
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 am, ajmontana said:

    True,
    I think you answered all your own questions. 8)

    Ignorant and Idiot, Odopey and Bidet
    Ha! someone should write a song, sung to the tune of Ebony and Ivory. :shock:

  66. #66
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am, simcoe said:

    If jihad is a virus, how is it caught?
    If the swine flu is a virus, how is it caught?
    How is any virus caught?

    Usually by being around infected people. It has blown in on the wind and spread its roots in America now. It won’t be going away any time soon.

  67. #67
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    “Socialist Utopia” is an oxymoron.
    In other words, only believed by morons.

  68. #68
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am, jjmurphy said:

    Is our new president trying his best to DESTROY AMERICA?

    Think about it. If an enemy were trying to destroy the USA, could things be going any better for them right now with what Obama is doing? But, to answer your question, yes, he is trying to destroy the successful America.

    My only question is, can Obama truly be this ignorant or is this all part of a plan to bring our nation as we know it down so that it can be rebuilt into a Socialist Utopia?

    I don’t think Obama is ignorant at all. I believe it his full intention to transform the USA into his version of a socialist utopia. Such a thing does not exist, of course, but, as with all collectivists, that doesn’t matter.

  69. #69
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:14 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Say what you want about Obama, when he says he isn’t going to and “it” is not about pointing fingers then he points fingers at Bush nearly 30 times AND he gets away with it, the getting away with it is NOT about Obama. Folks will do all sorts of things under the heading of “trying to get away with it”. It is on our shoulders to not allow it.

    Elections do matter after all.

  70. #70
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am, lgm said:

    Read the actual articles. These guys were a bunch of bumbling losers. They never would have got anywhere without the help of the FBI “infiltrators”. Without the FBI they would not have been a threat to anyone but themselves.

  71. #71
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 am, moonsbreath said:

    Using BO’s logic, these four are a perfect example as to why our prison system is so safe. There’s no problem here, as the plot was uncovered before anything happened.

    It’s obvious BO, et al. have some serious misfirings going on in their brains.

  72. #72
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 am, Truesoldier said:

    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am, lgm said:
    Read the actual articles. These guys were a bunch of bumbling losers. They never would have got anywhere without the help of the FBI “infiltrators”. Without the FBI they would not have been a threat to anyone but themselves.

    So according to LGM the Obama FBI should be considered dangerous Jihadi accomplices.

  73. #73
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 am, hawkeye54 said:

    They never would have got anywhere without the help of the FBI “infiltrators”.

    Never say never…ONE missed clue…ONE overlooked opportunity is all that could have been needed for evil to succeed.

    Eventually weeding out the boobs and blunderers could very well improve future such attempts.

    We may be ahead of the Jihadists learning curve for now, but may not be true in the future given the current administration’s actions.

  74. #74
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 am, Hangfire said:

    I noticed that the inmate population of Gitmo increased by one during the year 2008. Does that mean that the field commanders in the Gulf are much less likely to take prisoners than before? I would be hard put to take prisoners at this point in time.

  75. #75
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:42 am, atheling said:

    “It is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere [in the propagation of religious teachings] when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order.” –Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:302, Papers 2:546

  76. #76
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 am, John Deaux said:

    Michelle, could you please post an article stating that the sky is up, so lgm can argue the point.

  77. #77
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm, tbear44 said:

    On May 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 am, michele hampton said:
    Even Dingy Harry gets that Americans don’t want terrorists in US prisons

    The only thing Dingy Harry gets is that it is election time next year. :mrgreen:

  78. #78
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm, ajmontana said:

    Now he’s just being stupid on purpose for attention….. like most other days. :roll:

  79. #79
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm, T-Bone said:

    Even “William” Gates said that Guantanamo has a “taint” to it that helps Al Qaida recruit. What an idiot. No mention that the cheerleaders for tainting Guantanomo was…US Democrat Congresspeople and Senators.

    Al Qaida using lies to recruit will always happen. They should stand up to those liars. Unfortunately, they would have to stand up to themselves as they propogated the lie in the first place in order to damage President Bush. All for politics. Scum.

  80. #80
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    These guys couldn’t blow up a mailbox

  81. #81
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:03 pm, Bogtrotter said:

    I find the idea that by closing Gitmo we will take away a symbol, and a recruiting tool, laughable. Depending on where they are moved and to how many facilities we will only be giving them multiple “symbols”. And it is not as if they really need symbols to be pissed off anyway. I also worry about home grown terrorist wannabes having targets they can drive to. But hey, since it is going to be done by the the current half-witted administration, I am hoping thay choose to move the prisoners to someplace sympathetic to their cause like the Bay area near S.F.

  82. #82
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm, T-Bone said:

    And it is not as if they really need symbols to be pissed off anyway.

    Thats my point exactly. The Koran spells out thier duty and nothing else matters.

  83. #83
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    That was the whole point of Cheney stepping up and doing it himself.

    Cheney has my power of attorney to sign for me anytime, anywhere.

  84. #84
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    These guys couldn’t blow up a mailbox

    Those other guys couldn’t fly.

  85. #85
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    These guys were a bunch of bumbling losers.

    Isn’t it pretty much a given that all criminals are bumbling losers? Does that make them less dangerous? Would you rent your garage to them?

  86. #86
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm, Living in the PSRK said:

    Check out urbansurvival.com today.

    Very intesting predictions for the market, end-of-summer “events and government longevity.

  87. #87
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “The Koran spells out thier duty…”

    All true of course. But good luck with that. Bush wouldn’t even tell it like it is when it comes to this wonderful religion of “peace”. Given Obama’s bent towards snuggling up to Islam there is not a snow ball chance in hell that we will ever see HIM call it like it is.

  88. #88
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Look up these two “inciters”…

    1. A cartoon in a Danish paper

    2. GITMO

    Which can you prove inflamed Jihadist anger…?

  89. #89
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:17 pm, T-Bone said:

    The killers are now put in GITMO
    no better place for our foe
    we waterboard to help their recruitment
    or at least they keep telling us so
    but we saved some lives from our efforts
    to learn dirty deeds that they know
    and it was considered legal by lawyers
    and Nancy will reap what she sows
    Obama may fool some of the sheeples
    and bus ignorants fast to the polls
    but Cheney is getting the truth out
    even though the media keeps saying no

  90. #90
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm, Ragspierre said:

    And, here, from his commencement speech at the US Naval Academy, is THE ONE’s favorite meme…

    “When America strays from our values, it not only undermines the rule of law, it alienates us from our allies, it energizes our adversaries and it endangers our national security and the lives of our troops,” Obama said. “So as Americans, we reject the false choice between our security and our ideals. We can and we must and we will protect both.”

    Check his speeches. You will find this “false choice” BS everywhere.

    Since the founding of the nation, there has been a good, natural tension between security and individual rights. Virtually every one of our presidents has had to struggle with where that balance should be.

    Now, for THE ONE, it is merely a “false choice”.

    Funny, it is one that he seems to have made already.

    Security lost. Rasmussen’s poll shows that 68% of Americans get it, too.

  91. #91
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pm, zyzzyg said:

    What’s Obama’s plan to prevent the jihadi virus from spreading? Washing hands and covering mouths won’t work for this disease.

    I suspect it is the same plan that the Bush Administration used. And, the same plan that every previous President has used.

    Under the Bush administration, the federal prison bureaucracy had no policy in place to screen out extremist, violence-advocating Islamic chaplains; failed to properly screen the many contractors and volunteers who help provide religious services to Islamic inmates; and shied away from religious profiling.

    Yep, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Yep, take Pres Obama to task, and it is intellectually honest to take Pres Bush, and all previous Presidents to task, for the same failed policies.

    What is curious is that enhanced interogation techniques, or illegal wire tapping, were not involved in the arrest and capture of these four individuals. It was, as usual, civilian police authorities, including the FBI, that brought these individuals to justice.

    How many cases of terrororism have been brought to public attention that involved good police work and dumb luck, vice EIT? We have seen perpertraitors brought to justice using the plodding mechanical methods of law enforcement but have yet to see anyone brought to justice for the planned LA attacks that were revealed from waterboarding.

    I agree with Pres Reagan, ‘trust but verify.’

    We have seen the verification in good police work by the arrest and trials of terrorists, but we have yet to see the verification of the arrest and trials from EIT.

    Saying EIT produced good intelligence is one thing, producing the actual inviduals who were supposed to have taken part in the LA attack is another. OK, the LA attacks were thwarted, where are the bodies?

    Trust but verify. A truly honest concept.

    I want to see the verification of EIT in the same way verification was provided by the plodding mechanical techniques of civilian law enforcement.

    Show me the LA attackers. Show me the arrests. Show me the trials. Heck, show me the bodies with bullet holes in their brains. Show me the success of EIT. Until then I remain skeptical.

    I can see the demonstrable success of good police work, and have yet to see the demonstrable effect of EIT.

    I am with Pres Reagan, trust but verify.

  92. #92
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On May 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am, lgm said:

    Read the actual articles. These guys were a bunch of bumbling losers. They never would have got anywhere without the help of the FBI “infiltrators”. Without the FBI they would not have been a threat to anyone but themselves.

    So should Obama, who is perceived as inexperienced and weak on national security, later try to claim partial credit for this take down, you’ll still hold the opinion that the would-be bombers were just hapless and harmless hooligans?

  93. #93
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm, vatodio said:

    Muslim extremists living in the caves don’t care for the Western political ideology.

    The inexperienced buffoon in the White House is looking for terrorists among the Right-wing Americans at home instead of the mountains of Afghanistan.

    He is in for a rude awakening. Sadly, that is no comfort to those who may be affected from next terror attack on our homeland.

  94. #94
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm, vatodio said:

    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pm, zyzzyg said:
    Show me the LA attackers. Show me the arrests. Show me the trials. Heck, show me the bodies with bullet holes in their brains. Show me the success of EIT. Until then I remain skeptical.

    You can’t see anything if Odumbo declassifies only selected CIA memos showing only the technique being used but not the outcome from them.

    Chaney says he has seen the memos documenting the outcome of EIT. Why is Odumbo not releasing them?

  95. #95
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm, flmom said:

    Check his speeches. You will find this “false choice” BS everywhere.

    I’ve noticed that too, it’s his way of shutting down any debate. His choice is the right choice and the false choice is the wrong one. People who use this to present their arguments are being intellectually dishonest. A simple question would be; Why is it false?

  96. #96
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Saying EIT produced good intelligence is one thing, producing the actual inviduals who were supposed to have taken part in the LA attack is another. OK, the LA attacks were thwarted, where are the bodies?

    You, as usual, have this backwards. You need to press your Dimocrat pards to release the REST of the story.

    Prove that Goss is lying.

    Prove that Panetta is lying.

    Prove that Cheney is lying.

    Prove that Pelosi is telling the truth.

  97. #97
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    It’s not only internal indoctrination we need to worry about if the Gitmos are scattered to our prison systems. The friends of these fanatics might even attempt raids on the prisons themselves to free them, from using violent suicidal methods to kidnapping family members of prison guards and staff or even hostage community members to secure a release or undermine security there.

    James Greenidge
    Queens, NY

  98. #98
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The truth is that THE ONE is the “false choice”.

    His choices are hurting America and Americans every day.

  99. #99
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm, flmom said:

    The truth is that THE ONE is the “false choice”.

    False is the operative word there.

  100. #100
    On May 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm, T-Bone said:

    but have yet to see anyone brought to justice for the planned LA attacks that were revealed from waterboarding.

    I don’t thnk you are correct here. I don’t have the details but I think there was info that lead to a guy in the Phillipines, which then lead to the arrest of Hambali?? and an entire cell that had been tasked with flying a plane into the Library Tower building in LA. I am sure they were arrested. As far as brought to justice…weren’t they just freedom fighters?

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