The jihadi virus in our jails
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The jihadi virus in our jails
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009
President Obama’s speech on homeland security was 6,072 words long. Curiously, he chose not to spare an “a,” “and,” or “uh” on the New York City terror bust that dominated headlines the morning of his Tuesday address. Did the teleprompter run out of room?
After a year-long investigation launched by the Bush administration, the feds cracked down on a ring of murder-minded black Muslim jailhouse converts preparing to bomb two Bronx synagogues and “eager to bring death to Jews.” They also planned to attack a New York National Guard air base in Newburgh, New York, where the suspects lived and worshiped at a local mosque.
Not one word from the president on the jihadists’ intended victims, motives, or means.
No comfort for the reported targets in the Big Apple, still raw from the Scare Force One rattling that so vainly and recklessly simulated 9/11.
No condemnation for the accused plotters.
Why? Because doing so would force Obama to abandon his cottony “extremist ideology” euphemisms and confront the concrete truth. To borrow one of our obtuse president’s favorite clichés, “let me be perfectly clear” about the reality Obama won’t touch: America faces an ongoing Islamic jihad at home and abroad. Not merely “man-caused.” But Koran-inspired. Yet, Obama refuses to spell out the centuries-old roots of the war that he claims he’ll win faster, better, and cleaner than any of his predecessors.
Moreover, his push to transfer violent Muslim warmongers into our civilian prisons – where they have proselytized and plotted with impunity– will only make the problem worse. A brief refresher course for the Left’s amnesiacs about the festering jihadi virus in our jails and overseas:
In 2005, Bush administration officials busted a terrorist plot to attack infidels at military and Jewish sites in the Los Angeles on the fourth anniversary of 9/11 or the Jewish holy days. It was devised by militant Muslim converts of Jam’iyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh (Arabic for “Assembly of Authentic Islam”) who had sworn allegiance to violent jihad at California’s New Folsom State Prison.
Jose Padilla, the convicted terror conspirator, converted to Islam during a stint at a Broward County, Fla., jail and reportedly fell in with terrorist recruiters after his release. Convicted Shoe Bomber Richard Reid converted to Islam with the help of an extremist imam in a British prison.
Aqil Collins, a self-confessed jihadist turned FBI informant, converted to Islam while doing time in a California juvenile detention center. At a terrorist camp in Afghanistan, he went on to train with one of the men accused of kidnapping and beheading Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
In East Texas, inmates were recruited with a half-hour videotape featuring the anti-Semitic rants of California-based Imam Muhammad Abdullah, who claims that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were actually carried out by the Israeli and U.S. governments.
Federal corrections officials told congressional investigators during the Bush years “that convicted terrorists from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing were put into their prisons’ general population , where they radicalized inmates and told them that terrorism was part of Islam.”
Despite the insistence of Obama and the Jihadi Welcome Wagon that our civilian prisons are perfectly secure, convicted terror helper Lynne Stewart helped jailed 1993 World Trade Center bombing/NY landmark bombing plot mastermind Omar Abdel-Rahman smuggle coded messages of Islamic violence from the imprisoned sheik to outside followers in violation of an explicit pledge to abide by her client’s court-ordered isolation.
As I’ve reported previously, U.S. Bureau of Prison reports have warned for years that our civilian detention facilities are major breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists. There are still not enough legitimately trained and screened Muslim religious leaders to counsel an estimated 9,000 U.S. prison inmates who demand Islamic services. Under the Bush administration, the federal prison bureaucracy had no policy in place to screen out extremist, violence-advocating Islamic chaplains; failed to properly screen the many contractors and volunteers who help provide religious services to Islamic inmates; and shied away from religious profiling.
What’s Obama’s plan to prevent the jihadi virus from spreading? Washing hands and covering mouths won’t work for this disease.
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More from the NYPost on the jailhouse conversions of the would-be synagogue bombers:
Richard Williams said that his 32-year-old nephew fell under the sway of dangerously radical Islamo-fascists while serving time on drug charges — and that he became “brainwashed” after his mother died and his ex-wife fought him for custody of their child.
“They played on his weaknesses and what was going on with his family,” Richard said. “He was brainwashed and manipulated in the system.”
Authorities say Onta Williams fell in with his three alleged co-conspirators, James Cromitie, 45, David Williams, 28, and 37-year-old Laguerre Payen, at a Newburgh mosque, where they bonded when they discovered they were all ex-cons.
Relatives and friends of the other three men charged in the horrific plot to blow up two Bronx synagogues and shoot down an Air National Guard plane said the men never expressed any interest in terrorism. But they all quickly developed a deep interest in Islam in jail.
Williams’ uncle — who himself once served 10 years on a drug charge — said he was familiar with prison converts to Islam.
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lol, same reason he doesn’t release any of his info. Odopey is a poser and it wont be long until the fraud is ousted.
Here is the link to the LA story.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/09/bush.terror/index.html
I wonder how many letters made it out of GITMO…???
But THE ONE says we will be safer with the KNOWN TERRORISTS on our soil, in our penal system.
When were German or Japanese POWs housed in the penal system during WWII again…?
Liberals don’t see them as POWS. They were abducted by US forces or sold by Afghan warlords to US forces as they were just wandering around Afghanistan enjoying the sights.
Nobody with a brain considers them POWs. They are not. The term is one with a legal meaning. Terrorists don’t meet the critera.
But…
this may fix the problem…
Congress may take the “false choice” from THE ONE.
I’m not wise in the way of these things, but I’d love to learn (FOIA?) what they change that was “bad” and exactly how they made it “good”.
I would like to see how many times Amnesty Internatioanl has visited the Taliban & Al Qaeda POW camps. Since the answer is probably NONE, I would like to hear their thoughts on the lack of access, as well as their take on where Taliban prisoners go and how how many there are at all.
Do they think that the US is the only side in this “war” to have prisoners. or do they think that Taliban prisoners are mistreated, or even brutally executed.
If one side in the war is executing their prisoners and the other side tortures them in prison, I would think the execution side is where they would have their focus first. Unless they are just political hacks with no credibility on their stated cause.
I think this would create more terrorists than the clowns in jail:
http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2009/05/rape-of-iraqi-children.html
MajorO; I think that the “change” will be along the lines of THE ONE’s grand ending of “torture”.
It will be a claim. An implicit lie. Nothing more.
Still, if Hastings needs that fig-leaf to keep GITMO open, it is a cheap price.
Ilovemycountry said: I will believe anything that smears Americans.
Radical Islam does seem to appeal strongly to the troubled and socially damaged. I am wondering why this should be so.
I saw a 60 minutes special on skinhead gangs in Arkansas. The members were mostly from broken homes where they received no love or support. Their skinhead brothers professed their love and support of each other so they found a place where they were accepted. It was the only acceptance they had known or could find. No matter the ignorance of the bunch. They found themselves fitting in.
Thats for the lonely people with a hard time fitting into society. Islamic groups will lure them in to do their dirty deeds.
People from Islamic countries have their own issues due to the teachings of the Koran. You don’t want to reject Islam in those countries. Torture would be the least of your worries.
Hey Ragspierre
Does this make you feel better:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/22/iraq.usa1
Yes. Hoo-rah.
2004….????
You missed the last half-decade?
When you think about it, a mens prison is the perfect place for Mohammedans to recruit. It’s a place full of people who have already demonstrated their anti-social nature as well as in many cases a concomitant proclivity to violence.
If you approach such people and offer them a “religion” that plays to their sense of being “victims of society” instead of the other way around; that not only excuses but encourages violence toward those outside of the group; and that provides a ready-made rationalization for almost any kind of anti-social behavior as long as it’s directed toward non-Mohammedans…
…then you’re bound to find prison to be the Happy Hunting Ground.
There’s a certain Siren’s Song for a young, anti-social, disaffected, alienated male in a combination religious/legal code that plays to his sense of victimhood/entitlement:
- I can have four wives, and when I get tired of any one of them I can swap her out to pasture for a younger and prettier one simply by saying “I divorce you” three times over? Wow!
- And aside from my four wives, I can have as many female sex-slaves as I want as long as they’re non-Mohammedans? Double-wow!
- And I can lie to, steal from, brutalize and kill non-Mohammedans with impunity, because “Allah” not only says it’s OK, but actually my duty?
Sign me up!
To heck with voluntarily going to jail to “learn a trade;” I want to go there to get a whole new lease on life!
Sometimes, when I’m being thoughtless and grace-less, I’m tempted to say to lgm, ILMC, et al, “Let’s have a civil war already and get it over with.” I so tire of these folks, coming to a conservative blog, unbidden, to do…what? Be a pest? Annoy? Drop inanities? And it doesn’t matter WHAT THE TOPIC IS they will faithfully take the opposite side and strain themselves to make any irrefutable hit to their side look otherwise.
Call me inflammatory but they act just as implacable as the jihadists–minus the violence.
We have really two views of the relationship of the State to the individual, at least, not to mention a host of other ideological differences. And their side insists on making conservative thought and action criminal.
It seems to me that at some point, this tension has to explode.
Regulus;
I heard something that I’ve never checked, but it sounds plausible.
Islamic men can frequent prostitutes by the simple expedient of “marrying” them, then divorcing on the usual chant.
Ever hear of that?
Thats the excuse I would use.
I marry you.
I divorce you x 3
Oh, heres your $40. See you next week.
Yep. I agree. As I’ve written here before, this is one of the evils of concentrating power at the federal level. The scramble for control of all the coins becomes a blood-fight. In a federalist system, I would care very little about the voters of MA voting in outright communism, so long as I had a place to “vote with my feet” to live under a different system. There would be 50 social laboratories in which to try things, and see what worked.
I think either we dissipate power…as our Constitution intended…or we are in for a fracture. I know that I will not submit to being eaten…even in part…by a collective. I just won’t. I will fight the imposition of BIG BROTHER by carefully calibrated means, including civil disobedience.
The Fatwa’ns are only $25.00
You “decent” “christians” are impressive – you hear stories about our military raping little boys in Iraq and have absolutely no problem with it.
What kind of God do you “christians” pray to?
Who said we were christians? I thought this was an a-thiest blog. I must be on the wrong one same as you.
Thank you. We like to deal in reality. I do have a problem with propagandists, but I can’t get to them readily.
The kind who hates liars.
Shoot…you are BAD…
I just now got that.
Jus tryin to lighten the mood.
with Country around it’s like prayin to a porcelian God here. (ralphhh)
I’ll bet a pay check there are a lot more Mosques inside America supporting terror cells.
I would like to see America wage war inside her borders on Muslim terror, illegal alien MS-13 types, as well as our government persons who have sold out to special interests.
Let a military court review these above said pukes who have made war on us.
And,
Nope.
I’ll say it again slower so you will both understand better.
Pres Bush and VP Cheney made reference to the successes of the GWOT. Correct?
One example – they mentioned the arrest of a pizza delivery guy who planned to attack a military base in NJ. They said we are being protected. OK, fine.
At the same time, Pres Bush and VP Cheney said the LA attacks were thwarted. OK, fine.
When Pres Bush and VP Cheney gave the details of the pizza delivery attackers they did not provide any details of the LA attackers. Why not?
They were in control and in charge. They could have provided greater insight, and shown us the results of EIT with the presentation of the individual perps.
Remember, they volunteered the information about all the terrorists and their plots to harm us. They gave us information on some, and incomplete information on others.
It is about being consistent.
It isn’t about Pres Obama releasing memos, it is about Pres Bush and VP Cheney not saying what they could have said at the time to support their contention that EIT worked.
There have to be perps, right? There were perps in the other incidents, correct? We saw them, correct? Pres BUsh and VP Cheney told us about them, correct? Why not the others from the LA plot?
It is not enough to say we did this and not give specifics, when you say we did this and gave specifics, on any terrorists attacks. Just be consistent and give the same level of information on each terrorist plot.
I am skeptical because the presentation by Pres Bush and VP Cheney have been inconsistent.
And, as for lying, I did not mention anything about lying. I want more information. That additional information could have been provided by Pres Bush and VP Cheney when they were in charge and in power.
I ask only for consistentcy. I won’t even mention again that many of the terrorists that were brought to justice was by using civilian law enforcement and dumb luck.
Ask any question you want, change the subject if you want, but at least address why Pres Bush and VP weren’t forthcoming with information on the LA attack as they were with the other attacks?
According to who?
Well, duh. I would greatly imagine that they know lots you and I don’t know, and have the wisdom and discretion not to blab it.
That is good, isn’t it?
I did. You refused to answer my questions, after stating here that you ALWAYS answer any question.
Guess what that demonstrates about your truthfulness…?
Hi terrorists worldwide,
We just arrested Abdul, and Mohammed. Here is their picture. They were plotting to crash a jet into a building in LA. Here are some details that we know about their plot. Of course, from these details , you others involved will probably be able to discern how we conducted our surveillance, who we used, and who the informants that helped us possibly are.
This may allow you to extract vengence against those who helped us and for you to escape since you will now know that we are probably on to you as well but there are some idiots in the US who want us to publish all this information while the investigation(s) is still ongoing. Hopefully, we will catch or kill you in the future.
Regards,
President Bush and VP Cheney
aka Cowboy & Sidekick
P.S. This is how we stopped you this time, so now you can calibrate another attack that might actually work.
Hi terrorists worldwide,
…
Regards,
President Bush and VP Cheney
aka Cowboy & Sidekick
Joe Biden – PS ask me anything. Ew..Ew…lemme tell you this groovy secret bunki thingy under my house…
At least Biden has the dubious virtue of being consistent…
He’s consistently an idiot.
Virus is an excellent analogy and this virus is not so likely without the progressive politics caused dependent urban tributary strain of the virus.
Unless liberalism creates the nucleic acid of the static urban broth pot the rigid doctrine of the Koranic virus has much less chance to attach itself and take over the host.
Would a Chicago Black politician not understand and make good use the network created by such a disease?
Nice.
Not to quibble, but I don’t think any Ayers/Alinski acolyte…regardless of color…would behave differently.
Perhaps this has already been said, but I haven’t had a chance to read all the comments yet. I find it interesting that Obama won’t mention a foiled terrorist attack on a Jewish Synagogue. Interesting, but not surprising. Did you see how he treated Netenyahu in that press conference? Never once even looked at the man. That says it all. Obama hates Jews and being in the presence of the Jewish leader made him uncomfortable. He slouched, ignored the man’s presence, and in every way disrespected Netenyahu. That tells me a lot about the background the deep roots of this President…muslim. He may not think he is one, but his manner says otherwise.
I wonder why no one has come up with just moving Gitmo to Alaska. If the location is properly chosen I’m sure we wouldn’t have to worry about any terrorists escaping.
Certainly Obama could print off another TRILLION to get that built. /sarc
I believe he has studied the Koran. So have I but we seem to come to 2 different conclusions.
I find it interesting he doesn’t seem to share the view that the Koran teaches the Allah approved destruction of the jewish race. The jews, after all, rejected the notion of Mohammed,just like they did Jesus.
I don’t know how he (or other Muslims) could have missed that. Al Qaeda certainly didn’t.
I don’t the virus in question cares a fig about human DNA but a network hungry Chicago Pres. wannabe would.
Even in the Balkans…
you just can’t get ‘Ol Joe to keep shut.
Gotta love the gift that keeps on giving.
Live from the Balkins, it’s Joe Bidet!!!
We don’t know whats inside but we will make decisions and absurd statements like we do know. Hello voters!! What kind of idiots did you elect? Oh , you didn’t like Bush. We have all been had. False choice indeed.
Then why mention his half-black ethnicity?
Is this really what you libs on here wanted and expected? And don’t give that innocent till proven guilty crap either…doesn’t work in this case. he least could show some appreciation for the efforts of the investigators for stopping another attack on America. I really don’t think you lefties want that at this time as your boy is remaking America into Western Europia and conservatives are not the only ones pissed at Nobama.
Yes.
I read about that some time ago.
It’s called “temporary” marriage.
I agree too.
SO the apologists version of this is that these four were incredibly stupid, and had it not been for the FBI, they would never have been able to do anything.
If this is not yet a clearer view into just how amazingly stupid the Liberals are when it comes to reality, I just don’t know what is.
Yes, it is very true that luckily they were working with the FBI. Now, why is that? Is it because they sought the FBI out? No. It is because there was already something going on at the mosque and the BI was told these guys were looking to deal.
Now, what if the FBI had NOT been first? What if they were able to talk to someone who actually DID have the plastique and anything else they needed?
Are we to believe, according to the amazingly, unbelievable stupid Liberals who have posted on this thread, that these same four individuals, three of whom were “jailhouse converts” to Islam…and who, no doubt, used that as a reason they should be let out early from their previous offenses. would not have carried out their plans?
It is not that they had real explosives and they were too stupid to make them work. No, what they had was the real stuff…it was just made “INERT”. Look that up, maybe it will help you. Anyway, they were able to do what they had intended, and the only reason it did not go off was that the FBI was the ones providing them with the equipment. And, I might add, this was something that had begun under BUSH…not Obama and this is NOT an example in any way, shape, or form of how Obama is “Keeping America Safe”. In fact, I would almost bet an entire month’s pay that the first Obama heard of this was about 2 hours before they busted them.
So, thanks once again, you Liberal troglodytes slithering around through here, for demonstrating yet again why you are all just too unbearably stupid to understand the threat this nation is under from Islam, and why Liberals and Democrats in general are the WORST when it comes to protecting this nation and understanding the threats it faces.
Based on what is being discussed in these posts:
Michelle, because you write truthful, non-P.C. articles as these, that likely will enrage members of the “Religion” of “Peace”; please be sure to stay safe.
By courageously writing these articles, you are playing an important, necessary role in educating and informing the public about the barbarian monsters our nation/society/culture is up against in this war.
I’m being quite serious.
Thank you for your work.
RF: Are you waiting, as I am, to see how long it takes for the socialist/statist/America-haters to scream “entrapment” about this case?
Please use some facts, if terrorists are placed in supermax prisons, they are in solitary for 23 hours a day, only 1 hour outside the cell. read up get informed and stop the fear mongering. We don’t have to be constantly reminded of the threats we face to understand them. I know jihadists are out to get us, it doesn’t meant the government has to constantly remind us we under this threat. I take the path into the new york every weekday full well knowing its a plum target. I dont need the government to keep reminding me of this.
Read slowly.
I don’t think the virus in question cares a fig about human DNA but a network hungry Chicago Pres. wannabe would.
Obama: The Great Impostor
Oh, well, then…
With an iron-clad guarantee like THAT…
we have NOTHING to worry over.
Geez, what was I thinking…
No, because I don’t think they are taking it serious enough. These are the people that continually make fun of anyone who is realistic about what is going on. They mock and laugh, and minimalize, yet they will be the very first ones to scream, “Why wasn’t more done” when the next strike occurs.
They have spent the last 8 years obstructing and ridiculing, and more, and they will continue to do so. However, when the next attack in this War of Islamic Aggression occurs on American soil, they will cry, whine, and call for the heads of all those who “Didn’t do more” to stop it.
Look at what happened after 9-11. How many attacks on Americans and American interests occurred in the decade leading up to 9-11? Heck, they even attacked the same buildings. Osama Bin Laden declared war on the United States back in 1998, yet he was allowed to live freely, having Clinton turn down repeated offers to have him gift wrapped. Yet when the attacks came, it was, “Why…where did this come from?”
There have been over 12,000 separate attacks by Islamic Terrorists since 9-11, and yet when something like this happens, listen to the Liberals downplay it, mock it, laugh at it etc.
They are stupidity personified.
Gee, you’re right. They spend 23 hours a day in solitary, so nothing at all could POSSIBLY go wrong.
Maybe you should go ahead and study up on Pelican Bay, as well as several other “Super Max” Prisons and see just how secure they all are and how no one gets to see or speak to anyone else.
And why would the Left allow them to be kept in Solitary and away from everyone else in prison, when they wouldn’t allow LESS to be done to them at Git-Mo?
According to thier established precedent for discuusing successes on the GWOT.
They did not just say a terrorist plot was thwarted in NJ. They added details. They only said a terrorist plot was thwarted on LA. They did not provide any substantive details. I only ask, why aren’t they consistent when discussing terrorist plots?
Agreed, they know a great deal more than either, or me.
[NOTE: See how easy it is to agree.]
OK, then why did they not use that wisdom and discretion not to give us details on the pizza delivery guy who wanted to attack a military base in NJ?
Pres Bush and VP Cheney provided verifiable information on thwarting many attacks, but not the LA attacks. Why? Why the inconsistentcy?
Nope. It is inconsistent. What is exactly wrong with being consistent?
Huh? What question did I refuse to answer?
I cut and pasted your post #96 and there are no questions in it. Go back and re-read it for yourself. It is called reading, . . . and writng comprehension.
Guess what that demonstrates about your abilities to communicate effectively?
{NOTE: LOL. That was an unnecessary personal attack, and I only did it for fun and sarcasm. My apologies.]
You made statements about lying, and I addressed your statement with, “And, as for lying, I did not mention anything about lying. . . “ in my post # 127.
Your statements, not questions, take a tangent from the original question of where is the consistentcy in providing some details for some plots, and not providing any details for other plots.
Let’s truly be truthful, do you know what this “?” is used for?
For future reference, if you have a question for me, use this “?” at the end of the sentence, and I will answer the question.
Anyone with delusions of how secure and safe prisons are, and that these terrorists taken from the field of battle will not have access to other inmates only need speak with a Corrections Officer and let them tell you what prison is REALLY like.
My little brother was a CO for several years before becoming a state trooper. I heard all the stories, and let me tell you, it is NOTHING like what they depict on television.
Cripes…we need better trolls…
List of prisoners in supermax jails:
Theodore Kaczynski, the Unabomber
Dandeny Muñoz Mosquera, former chief assassin for the Medellín Cartel of Colombia
Terry Nichols, conspirator in the Oklahoma City bombing
Richard Reid, the “shoe bomber”
Eric Robert Rudolph, abortion clinic and 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bomber
Carlos Lehder, Colombian cocaine trafficker, a founding member of the Medellín Cartel
Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged “20th hijacker” in the September 11, 2001 attacks. Spared the death penalty when it was determined he was not directly involved in the 9/11 attacks.
Ramzi Yusef, World Trade Center bomber
Robert Hanssen, American FBI Agent turned Soviet spy
Omar Abdel-Rahman, terrorist leader
Sammy Gravano, “The Bull”, notable Mafia leader
John Walker Lindh, “American Taliban”, incarcerated at the Supermax prison for a short time, now currently serving his sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution, Terre Haute at Terre Haute, Indiana.[5]
Christopher Boyce, Soviet spy (now released)
Larry Hoover, the leader of the Chicago-based Gangster Disciple Nation gang. On June 18, 1998, Hoover was convicted of participating in a continuing criminal enterprise and sentenced to six life terms, seven terms of 20 years, three four-year terms, and one five-year term under federal mandatory sentencing guidelines, with all sentences running concurrently and in addition to the 150-200-year sentence he received for his 1973 murder conviction.[1]
Jeff Fort, co-founder of the Black P. Stones gang, and founder of its El Rukn faction, and attempted terrorist for Libya[6]
Kenneth McGriff, American drug trafficker and organized crime figure. Subject of the book “Queens Reign Supreme”, and basis of the fictional characters Nino Brown in the 1991 film New Jack City and Majestic in Get Rich or Die Tryin.
Neil Entwistle, English-born man, murdering his American wife, Rachel, and their infant daughter Lillian on January 20, 2006 in the United States.
David Ayala, Infamous leader of Chicago’s Gangster Two Six street gang.
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And you are afraid of some cowards who got caught on a battlefield in Afghanistan with a rock and sticks? Believe me these terrorists don’t have superpowers. They will never escape, and they can spread there ideology all they want, all the people they spread it to wont be leaving either
This must be the Kos word of the day…
Second troll today chanting this BS.
And you wonder why they call it the “Master’s Course in Violent Crime”.
Well, that’s a nice list. However, it is far less than the TOTAL list of all inmates in the prisons, nor is it a list that states any and all inmates they will come into contact with will remain forever inside.
SuperMax prisons are not merely for those who serve Life Without Possibility of Parole inmates. They are for violent and high risk inmates. There is NOTHING anywhere that states that once you go in you are never seen or heard from again.
Seriously, if you are going to try to sound like that, at least know what you are talking about.
Mr. Cut&Paste was busy digging up dung from Kos alright…gotta feel bad for fools that will never see what is going on around them, and the danger they are in.
Umm…missed those in cutting and pasting, I reckon…
But read # 103, and tell me that you have nothing to worry about.
(I wonder what his response will be…?)
I don’t know about that I’ve seen em light up pretty well.
But see, that’s just it. They do not get information for themselves. What they do is merely parrot what they read on their Liberal sycophant sites that are filled with nothing but feelings and good intentions and scarcity of facts. If what they read or hear from their fellow Liberals fits what they are feeling on the subject, they will accept it at face value and continue to spread the misinformation. However, if it doesn’t fit their feelings, rather than finding out the truth, they will simply move on to some other site that does.
They utilize shows like “The Daily Show” and “The Colbert Report” as realistic news programs and take their satire as truth, yet will ignore, mock or just plain throw away the real facts and truths on a subject as it does not fit into their myopic world view.
Kos and DU are two places notorious for this. If it is written there, they treat it as gospel, yet they mock anything over at Drudge…which actually has over a decade of proven merits.
Here’s a troll poser…
Name the “American value” that Barak Hussain Obama seeks to promote by bringing terrorists (not POWs) into the American penal system.
Bonus question: Vice-President Biden said we were opening Pandora’s Box in planning to bring known terrorists onto American soil. What happened in the story when Pandora’s mythical box was opened by another fool with more ego than sense?
Only one Democrat in history had the nads enough to confront the enemy as they should have been confronted, and he left office with very poor approval numbers.
God bless Harry Truman. You’re in good company no doubt.
Projection much. I listen to Fox, view conservative sites, to see what the other side says and how they think. When they have good points I can agree, but alot of times the arguments are nonsensical. I dont view conservatives as evil or having a hate for this country, which in many cases is how conservatives view liberals. I just think the perspective is way off, but I can respect a reasoned disagreement. However, MANY,again MANY, not all, on the conservative side are driven by a hatred on liberals, and their new leader Obama and will disagree with anything he does. It was Bush, remember, who called first for closing Guantanomo. It was Bush who ended “enhanced interrogation”. It was bush who began bailout mania. However, its only Obama who hates America and is a socialist marxist muslim
Zero. Placating to the enemy is not an American Value.
It’s called treason (commonly refered to these days as liberal Democrat).
I’d have to respectfully disagree there. FDR interned many thousands of Japanese AMERICANS, on the mere suspicion that they might be disloyal. He held hundreds of thousands of enemy prisoners…sans trial…for the duration of the war, too.
Course, if he hadn’t he and his wheelchair would have been promptly tarred and feathered…
LOL
Yep, revert to name calling vice addressing what was said. Isn’t that what ‘trolls’ do?
And, if you had a question, I would have answered it. Hence, no question, no answer.
Nope. He’s a fascist in his economic policy. Bush was no better in the end, as many, many of us here have noted.
Does THE ONE hate America? You don’t remake what you love, do you?
Take on # 168. Treat both as questions.
Only if you’re a control freak…and that’s not love.
“Projection much”? That’s one of the funniest things I have been accused of in a VERY long time. I would sure like to know what I had posted that would lead you to state that I was projecting in what I stated about Libs and getting their info from sycophantic sites.
But I will give you credit for the attempt at distraction and deflection. Didn’t work, but you got the points. Good for you. Go have a cookie.
Oooooh. Such another good point without evidence. And way to smear ALL of the military with THAT one.
Which party elects and re-elects those who like little boys?
Which party has pending “hate crimes” legislation protecting said pedophiles?
I would guess the pizza man did not involve classified information, whereas the LA plot may have involved classified information, sources or methods.
…all made moot by Urkel selectively releasing some classified information…carefully redacted to support his point of view.
Since he has no problem with sharing secrets with our enemy, why not release the two still classified memos Cheney has called for and clear the air?
Hey, Z…
Question alert…# 179, get on it…
C’mon, stand up for Mohammad! Everyone! Stand up for Mohammad!
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.
Anybody check out dKOS lately?
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Don’t you have to destroy something first, before you can “remake” it?
I think the demolition crews are already in action. Haven’t some U.S. financial companies and car companies already been destroyed, and are now in the process of being remade in Obama’s image?
Actually I am afraid of the leftist lawyers like Lynn Stewart who sympathize with terrorists and will smuggle notes out for their buddies plotting other attacks.
I’m also miffed at the thought of paying thousands in taxes to be paid to some leftist lawyer and their support staff riding the gravy train to litigate every little detail of Mr. Nice Terrorists existence.
Uh…the too little sunlight lawsuit is being filed next week, this week is the chunky peanut butter suit, but the week after is the invasion of privacy suit for reading your mail.
Of course there is none. It is a typical blanket attack where he was pushed into a corner, thus lashes out with the old tried and true, “Everyone in the military is a baby raping, killing, murderous thug and that’s OK with Christians” number.
Yeah, there are people in the military who have committed crimes. See, the military, like any other organization, has a large number of different people in it. There is NOTHING anywhere that states, “Once a person takes the Oath into the military and puts on a uniform, that person will forever be magically removed from all human frailties and issues. They are now pure as the driven snow and will remain such.”
No, they are no different than anyone else, other than the fact they chose to serve their country. There are SEVERAL MILLION people serving in this nation’s military. The law of averages states that in any said number of people, there will be a certain number who are rapists, criminals, murderers, and other bad things.
So, since there was a rape in your town at some point last year, can we state that everyone in that town in a rapist?
If someone in your company is arrested for embezlement, can we then state that everyone at your company are theives?
No, but Liberals will go ahead and claim that because someone who is a criminal was in the military, committed a crime and was caught, therefore the entire military is guilty, and anyone who dares support said military now, by default, has no issue what-so-ever with rapists…so long as they are in uniform,
This is known as Lib-think. The only ones that can understand said Lib-think is another Lib, for it leaves the rational minded scratching their heads wondering just what kinds of chemical intoxicants their mothers repeatedly used while they were in the womb that created such a warped thought pattern.
They cannot provide a shred of evidence anywhere that shows ANYONE supporting anyone in the military raping, murdering or committing crimes. But that is not the issue. It is just enough to make the claim, then the other sycophants will all nod, cluck their teeth and do the “superior dance” on the way to the bong.
Bush didn’t end EIT’s, they were still available if it was determined that some jihadi had information and he needed it.
As for bailout mania, Bush did take one step in that direction, at the suggestion of Hank Paulson, a democrat, without regard to fixing problems caused by other democrats like Barney the Frank, Dodd and Clinton. Bush has been soundly criticized for doing it.
It was Urkel who went wild with changing what Bush passed, strong-arming private business, flat-out ignoring the law regarding secured creditors, and threatening others…while bailing out numerous entities he wants to control, or to pay back the UAW. In contrast to Bush, Urkel has been applauded and encouraged to do more by his sycophants.
Really? Is that what they are using in Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, considering the noise all you Liberals have been making since 2002, I thought it was something a bit more than that. After all, why were they wanting all the extra armor? Super sharp sticks?
Or is that some sort of sideways slam at the military for not having finished them off, since we have the big guns and the enemy is one step away from a Geico commercial?
No, see, we are concerned about those that are attempting to obtain nuclear material, whether in actual bomb form or in a different manner which can be used to irradiate several city blocks causing pandemonium and death. We are concerned with those planning and plotting to murder men, women and children in the name of their moon god simply because we do not ascribe to their way of thought.
But it is the unbelieveably idiotic and backwards thinking of immature, moronic children such as yourselves that has allowed this to continue the way it has, has hamstrung the men and women fighting this war with assinine rules of engagement, and who believes that these “stick and rock throwers” deserve American privileges and rights, even when they are in BLATANT violation of the Geneva Convention as well as any and all modern “rules” of warfare.
Keep that head in the sand, and make sure to save your voice. I am sure you will be one of the louder ones who is screaming and whining about why more wasn’t done to stop them, all the while pretending that the crap you did to hinder the process never happened.
At least the Internet is forever, so for whatever good it will do anyone, at least people will be able to trace who it was who mocked this when they should have been working to stop them.
You know, I just love these arguments that they keep using. “Well Bush did this too, and he did that too etc., etc., etc.,”
Oh, OK…so if he jumped off a bridge, Obama should have too?
Criminy, did you see anyone here claiming what Bush was doing was a GOOD THING? No! We were all decrying it as WRONG!
And just because what he did was wrong does not make what Obama did correct. Instead, what it does is make it WORSE because we saw that it did not help. In response, Obama spent BILLIONS MORE. So what is the Liberals and Democrat response? Nothing more than an immature, Kindergarten playground response of, “Oh yeah? Well he did it first.”
Real nice.
I guess I am currently living in a constant state of thoughtlessness and gracelessness, because I feel the same way all the time.
Yes it does seem that way. It is becoming intolerable to live with socialists and socialism. I daydream about seceding and starting a new Republic, just as it was meant to be… I will not submit to their tyranny.
Most cowards can’t look into the eyes of the person they plan to betray.
Notice how their Islamic names are not being used? The MSM has a tendancy to do that to draw attention AWAY from the fact they were Muslim and that this was an act of Islamic terror. Same with the shoe bomber, the dirty bomber, the Washington D.C. Sniper…
Scumbag Dirtball is Islamic?
Yeah, but as soon as I heard the target was a Jewish synagogue, I knew it was Muslims.
Thats not my point, my point is that when Bush passed a bailout, saving Bear Sterns, took over AIG, Fannie, and Freddie, he wasn’t called a socialist by most Republicans. When Obama did it he was. Also, can’t anyone one here come to admit to themselves that Bush left an HUGE mess. So far Obama has done a good job of stabilizing a financial system that was teetering on collapse. Now I agree there is much to be seen as to whether this is just temporary or we have really hit the bottom. Also, I am very concerned about or national debt, the deficits, as well as the dollar. However, lets be real here, even if Obama didn’t pass the bailout package and we just continued the same budget as last year, we would still be facing massive deficits for years to come. Why? Because entitlement spending is rising rapidly year after year, and during a recession tax receipts are down dramatically. If Bush had been as fiscally responsible as Clinton, and kept running up surpluses instead of passing massive tax cuts and engaging in the war in Iraq, we would be in ALOT better position then we are now. However, Bush knew the only way to winover Republicans is to buy there vote through passing tax cuts and passing the bill on to the grandkids.
Why admit to an untrue, you guys always lead off with it was Bush, Bush, Bush’s fault. There is so many others with their fingers in that pie, Clinton…. Frank, Dodd, Reid…. and the Dem list goes way long on the loan shinanigans. 2002 Frank said Fannie and Freddie were “GREAT” when President Bush called those crapweasels in Congress out on it, so did McCain. “The Mess” you say was created, invented, used, abused and scammed to the Hilt by….. drumroll….. your buddies, “THE DEMS” but if it turns your ears red to blame Bush for everything, go for it, that Mantra is getting O.L.D.
Have a nice Memorial Day.
Dang, all Shuttle landings postponed until Sunday, and if thats not good, Cali here they come.
Wow, I was under the misunderstanding that the Republicans controlled congress and the White House till 2007. I guess I was wrong on that count. So to sum up your argument, Bush who was in office for 8 years leading up to and including the financial meltdown bears no responsibility for the meltdown. Democrats who controlled congress for about a little less than two years are as well Obama who has been in office for about 3 months are the real culprits. What exactly was Bush doing in all those years? I mean he bears no responsibilities for anything that happened on his watch. OH thats right he kept America safe, well if you just exclude that minor blip in his protection on 9/11/01, but then again that was Clinton’s fault. Please lay off the Fox News and enter the real world.
Tax cuts alone cannot solve the problem and create a sustained and prosperous economy. There must also be a MAJOR reduction in the size of government and its out of control spending on social programs.
Don’t try to put words in my mouth free. I said…. “A lot of fingers in that pie”
Stop being so myopic on Bush and get the Facts.
I agree that sources and methods should not be released. (Although, that horse has already left the barn.)
I am asking to see the results. We have seen the pizza guy arrested and booked. Where are the LA attackers? We were told the plot was thwarted. OK, fine. We were told that information was learned from EIT. OK, fine. Where are the perps? Have they been shot? Are they going on trial? A little verification is all I ask, otherwise we are being asked to “trust us.”
I am with Pres Reagan when he said, ‘trust but verify.’ Are you with Pres Reagan on this?
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Though I would like to see everything, well, as much as can be released without compromising sources, methods and individuals. For instance, I would like to know the questions asked during EIT. My hope is that one question was, “Where are Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar?”