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1. #101
   On May 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm, RobM1981 said:

   shinola,

   I agree with your approach, but there is a practical issue of targeting. I can’t imagine that Lil’Kim comes out of his hole very often, and there is likely little in the way of warning when he does.

   Finding the bugger would be tough, but I agree that we should off him if we get the chance.

   OTOH, succession would be an issue, and you have to accept that his successor could be worse – and could use the assassination as a casus belli. Hard to say.

   Plus, you’d need to get Obama to OK an assassination of a foreign leader. I think he’d kiss Rush Limbaugh on the lips before he’d do that…

   And Flyoverman, I’m not so sure that China would sanction a repeat of that last war we had with the North.

   Sure, we got to the Yalu fast enough – but would the Chinese welcome us anymore this time than last?

   When you say “this will come to a nuclear showdown,” I so hope you are wrong – but I’d argue with you if I had reason to.

   I, again, hate the assymetry here. In their weakness and location N. Korea has great leverage…

2. #102
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, crashemt said:

   A response to LGM’s question:

   I listed before what Obama will do. Now, here’s what America should do.

   1) Send the USFK on full alert.
   2) Impose a full naval blockade, no vessels in or out without full inspection. Only approved UN goods will be allowed in or out.
   3) AEGIS class cruisers in strategic locations to knock anything out of the sky over North Korean airspace
   4) Patriot batteries on the border, doing the same
   5) Implode any currently detected tunnels in the DMZ (if you don’t understand this, then you shouldn’t be discussing the Korean Conflict
   6) Full on jamming of all signals in North Korea
   7) Sit at Panmunjom, and await terms for full complance, or full starvation. No quarter will be given for anything less

   Note:

   We need no declaration of war, we are in a defacto state of war since the 1950′s

   North Korea has a (very weak) Navy, but they did manage to capture one of our ships in the 1960′s

   Do you really, really want a nuclear Japan? I know the Chinese don’t. But, if we don’t do something to end teh muscle flexing, what other choice will Japan have? What about South Korea?

3. #103
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pm, sonofdy said:

   crashemt, Let me respond for LGM.

   ITS BUSHES FAULT!!!

   LGM mode off.

4. #104
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

   I can only guess at what strategies the members of the axis of evil planned against the USA or the world when they had their little get together last year. Was it Venezuela, Iran, Syria, North Korea, and Bolivia? The bad news is Obama will stand by with all the right excuses and the damn world will erupt into wwIII.

5. #105
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:

   And why is this UN condemnation going to end any differently than it did in ’01-’03 when it condemned Hussein? The left is still oblivious to the fact that the UN has no balls. Did it ever, in it’s history?

6. #106
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, DBNinKY said:

   And how did the rest of our nearly 200,000 soldiers get there? It was the one who came before.

   But adding 17,000 more will get us out?!The future does not lie in the past. Blaming the nation’s ills on President Bush and Christians is hardly an effective strategy.

7. #107
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:

   crashemt:

   North Korea has a (very weak) Navy, but they did manage to capture one of our ships in the 1960’s

   Yep. We in Pueblo are still waiting for “diplomacy” to affect the return of the USS Pueblo, our namesake ship, to US control. It has been a propaganda tool for NK ever since its capture. A sad story. In spite of their weak navy, our Navy did nothing to come to the crew’s aid even though, as we understand it, they were close enough to help. I think all the crew of the USS Pueblo had was a 50 cal deck gun. One crewman lost his life in their attempt to defend themselves. After their capture, the others and their Captain, Lloyd Bucher, went through 11 months of hell at the hands of the North Koreans. Friendly bunch, they…

8. #108
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, atheling said:

   Kapo lgm is Obama’s little Jew lapdog. He supports Iran’s plan to destroy Israel – his own people.

   Is there anything more reprehensible than a creature like that?

9. #109
   On May 26th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

   Didn’t ya’ll know that GM ( Gov’t Motors) is moving overseas….Pyongyang is GM’s new home…home of the Jong hybrid.

10. #110
    On May 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    After their capture, the others and their Captain, Lloyd Bucher, went through 11 months of hell at the hands of the North Koreans.

    And then – if I recall correctly – lots of finger pointing by the brass who didn’t come to his aid. San Diego loved him though.

11. #111
    On May 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:

    Sadly, AlohaGuy, so true. Lots of brass “CYAing”…

    Thank you San Diego for properly receiving him. May he rest in peace…he passed away 28 Jan 04 and is buried in San Diego. Pueblo gave him and his crew a hero’s welcome on several occasions over the years. There is a good write up on Wikipedia and a website href=”http://www.usspueblo.org/”>.

12. #112
    On May 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    In spite of their weak navy, our Navy did nothing to come to the crew’s aid even though, as we understand it, they were close enough to help. I think all the crew of the USS Pueblo had was a 50 cal deck gun.

    Yup, that gun was all the defense the Pueblo had. IIRC, the Navy expected Bucher to scuttle the ship. Tne NK’s knew that might happen and threated to destroy the ship along with the crew if an attempt to scuttle it was made.

    I think the Navy command (or someone higher up) feared further actions would result in a conflict with China. China always seemed to be behind goading NK into action to embarace us, figuring we wouldn’t do much for fear of Chinese retaliation flaring up into a major conflict.

13. #113
    On May 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, lgm said:

    atheling said (#108):

    Kapo lgm is Obama’s little Jew lapdog.

    Is this over the line? I would appreciate opinions from others here.

14. #114
    On May 26th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, Regulus said:

    I think the Navy command (or someone higher up) feared further actions would result in a conflict with China. China always seemed to be behind goading NK into action to embarace us, figuring we wouldn’t do much for fear of Chinese retaliation flaring up into a major conflict.

    Actually, the USS Pueblo incident was connected with John Walker’s spying. We all remember him, right? He’s the guy who would’ve virtually single-handedly cost us the US Navy if the Cold War had ever gone “hot.”

    Walker had given the Soviets the US Navy’s codes, but without a Navy cipher machine the codes were useless. Ergo, the Soviets put up the NoKos to grab the Pueblo and its cipher, which ended up in the USSR.

    As to the thread topic … it’s pretty obvious that the North Koreans see very little indeed to fear from the UN or the US these days. And who can blame them for that point of view? It’s obvious by now that Hope-a-Dope has resigned himself, and by extension everybody else, to a world full of nuclear proliferators, starting with Iran and North Korea.

    Any wagers on how long it’ll take the Libyans to resurrect their own nuke program, if they haven’t done so already?

    “A man thrusts a bayonet into the darkness. If he hits mush, he keeps pushing. If he hits steel, he pulls back.”
    – Nikita Kruschev, oh-so-presciently predicting reactions to aggression by Jimmy Carter and Hope-a-Dope

15. #115
    On May 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, lgm said:

    atheling said (#108):

    Kapo lgm is Obama’s little Jew lapdog.

    Is this over the line?

    It’s over my line. I like dogs.

16. #116
    On May 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, T-Bone said:

    I would appreciate opinions from others here.

    That would be a first.

17. #117
    On May 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, T-Bone said:

    As to the thread topic … it’s pretty obvious that the North Koreans all the worlds despotic dictators and murderers see very little indeed to fear from the UN or the US these days.

    I can’t remember if that was Obama or Sally Field that said “You like me, you really like me.”

18. #118
    On May 26th, 2009 at 6:19 pm, atheling said:

    lgm:

    I call a spade a spade.

    You’re a Jew. You voted for a man who sat in a church for 20 years, that hates Jews, whitey, and other sundry folks.

    You’re a Jew. You voted for a man who would not look the Israeli PM in the eye because he plans to betray him, and his people, our ally.

    You’re a Jew. You voted for a man who sides with a group of people who want to exterminate the Jewish people off the face of the earth because they are simply Jews.

    You’re a Jew. You voted for a man who sent a huggy video to Ahmadinejad, who is working towards achieving the goal of Israel’s eradication.

    You’re a Jew. You keep on defending a man does all of the above.

    If that doesn’t make you his Jew lapdog, nothing does.

19. #119
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pm, sonofdy said:

    Is this over the line?

    The liberal attack dogs have all but erased any line and you now claim there is one? Because it applies to little old YOU???

    Grow a thicker skin. If things go as badly as I fear, you will be hearing the comparison alot until MM is shut down.

20. #120
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, corona said:

    update to the update - another missile fired

21. #121
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, Jerry said:

    It is so embarrassing to watch our President (even if I do not like him) running to the teacher to tell on a classroom bully. When will Washington grow up and realize that there pathetic games have real consequences? When LA is in flames? New York a heap in a river? This is ridiculous

22. #122
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, sonofdy said:

    coronia, MM opened another thread on that.

23. #123
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:30 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    lgm said:

    atheling said (#108):

    Kapo lgm is Obama’s little Jew lapdog.

    Is this over the line? I would appreciate opinions from others here.

    I agree. Enough of this lapdog bashing.

24. #124
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:36 pm, infidel4life said:

    I wonder if Kim Jong Mentally Ill is developing a missle that can hit Turtle Bay…

25. #125
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, lgm said:

    The 50′s demagogue McCarthy was finally stopped when he was asked: “Sir, have you no sense of decency?” That worked because Republicans of the day indeed were decent human beings. atheling, T-Bone, Tazed and Confused, and sonofdy today have been indecent. I wonder how MM will respond to this test of character.

    I’ve been called stupid, ignorant, what have you. But a decent person would see that this is too far.

26. #126
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, corkie said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 1:06 pm, lgm said:

    Here, MM was “snorting” at Obama for not doing the right thing, when nobody knows what that right thing is.

    lgm, how dare you suggest that Obama doesn’t know what that right thing is!

    I watched Obama during the campaign. He claimed to know that right thing for all America’s problems.

    Do you admit that he was lying?

27. #127
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:45 pm, atheling said:

    Tazed:

    It’s not bashing. It’s called shaming.

    lgm should be ashamed of himself. He deserves the dishonor.

28. #128
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:50 pm, cicerokid said:

    I guess LGM knows how Tony Blair feels.

29. #129
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:51 pm, atheling said:

    lgm:

    Grow up. President Bush endured a lot worse than you, you cowardly ninny.

    So, tell me, what will you think of your Master when Israel turns to glass because your Master did nothing to stop Ahmadinejad?

    Will you feel proud?

30. #130
    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:52 pm, corkie said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, lgm said:

    The 50’s demagogue McCarthy was finally stopped when he was asked:

    Great link, lgm. Your source states that “scholars disagree” whether or not the incident led to McCarthy being “stopped.”

    Here’s a suggestion. Before you link, make sure it supports your case.

    BTW, McCarthy’s accusations (as asserted by your source) were correct.

31. #131
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:08 pm, sonofdy said:

    I’ve been called stupid, ignorant, what have you. But a decent person would see that this is too far.

    Oh waaa waa waaaaa.

    Nobody is forcing you onto this site.

32. #132
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:15 pm, sonofdy said:

    http://img49.exs.cx/img49/4804/fascist_bush.jpg

    But I am sure LGM was just FINE with this image.

33. #133
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:16 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, lgm said:

    DBNinKY said (#75):

    Obama has overextended our forces with a 17,000 man surge in Afghanistan,

    And how did the rest of our nearly 200,000 soldiers get there? It was the one who came before.

    200,000 soldiers in Af’stan?

    Urkel really surged that many?

34. #134
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm, sonofdy said:

    200,000 soldiers in Af’stan?

    Urkel really surged that many?

    Its LGM. Did you really expect him to know what he was talking about???

35. #135
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm, sonofdy said:

    AAANNNDDD they just restarted thier nuclear plants.

    BOY they sure have the ones number.

36. #136
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, lgm said:

    lgm is

    Is this over the line? I would appreciate opinions from others here.

37. #137
    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm, sonofdy said:

    200,000 soldiers in Af’stan?

    Urkel really surged that many?

    Its LGM. Did you really expect him to know what he was talking about???

    Not really. I just figured it was typical of liberal statistics…pull a number out of your azz and claim it as true.

38. #138
    On May 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pm, Send_Me said:

    Did the Dep. of Education take over the Dep. of State? I mean, this all reminds me of a whiny, emasculated substitute teacher’s endless pleading for the kid next to me to stop slinging spit wads at the chalkboard (you know, the kind that smack and stick to the board?).
    Seriously, are there any men left in Washington? This is embarrassing. It’s the day after Memorial Day for crying out loud! They could at least do we relatively few veterans/service members the respect of at least acting like men.

39. #139
    On May 27th, 2009 at 7:09 am, Jason L. said:

    It takes judgment. I am not ready to declare Obama a failure because in a few months he has not solved a problem that was decades in the making and resisted the efforts of several Presidents before him.
    –lgm

    What judgement, lgm? The kind of judgement that sacks a decorated Five-star general who had the right ideas for WINNING the war in Korea? The kind of judgement that should have let MacArthur be cut loose to WIN the Korean War instead of going for the tie? lgm, your DEMOCRAT Boy “Give-’em-cream-puffs” Truman is the man who bears the lions’ share of the blame for North Korea even beign around. Hard ot believe that Truman was the same man, who, seven years before, dropped the nukes on Japan and rendered them pacifist for the next six-plus decades!!!!

    How asobut President Clinton’s judgment in sending a clueless Secretary of State in 1994, and again, later, an even more clueless Sec’y of State to “broker” a “deal” that ended up giving the North Korean Government exactly what they wanted based on their bad faith: A Nuclear Reactor and all the heavy oil they needed to get it going and keep it going. How’s that for judgment, lgm?

    Let’s pray and hope that President Obama DOESN’T have the same kind of “judgment”….

    What efforts, lgm? The efforts of DEMOCRAT President Truman to win the war in Korea? Ooops, I guess we forgot that Truman went for the tie instead of the win. There’s one Democrat’s efforts, and it has directly given us the problem we have now. If DEMOCRAT Truman had WON the war in Korea rather than going for the tie, we’d not have this mess, and likely, Red China wouldn’t be Red.

    How about President Clinton’s efforts? Are Forgettingm lgm, DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton’s giving the NoKos a friggin’ NUCLEAR REACTOR based on a false promise form the North Korean Government? Madeline Allbright waltzing in and signing a deal Kim Jongil had no desire to keep in the firstp lace? Lets see, that’s two DEMOCRAT Presidents, and Two Efforts, with nothing but TROUBLE as the result.

    And what has been the result of President Obama’s desrire for “compassionate” discourse towards the two-bit terror states and ten-penny dicators ,and wanting to “sit down and talk” with our enemies?? Two successful weapons’ tests (if we include Iran, that number rises to four) in two months. And what is President Obama’s reaction? He’s “angry” and he “condemns” North Korea. So far, that’s been it: words and “condemnation”. President Obama — if he truly cares about the USA — needs to put his money where his mouth is.

    As some others have posted in here, I have more faith in Kim Jongil and his words than I do our own President’s…..

40. #140
    On May 27th, 2009 at 7:16 am, Jason L. said:

    By the way, a Nuclear Japan? Red China will not only not want that, I daresay that they will do ANY-thing to keep it from happening, including invading Japan. While I’d be all for Japan having nuclear weapons, Red China is not, and they will never sit idly by and let Japan rearm….

41. #141
    On May 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On May 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, Kapo lgm said:

    I’ve been called stupid, ignorant, what have you. But a decent person would see that this is too far.

    You left off idiot.

    lmg

    Insult your POTUS Bush – okay
    Insult Christians – okay
    Insult Michelle – okay
    Insult all of us by being here – okay

    We insult lgm – over the line?

    Confirmed: lgm is 13yo