Lefty blogs punked by Mancow “torture” stunt(?); Updated
Last week, liberal blogs went ga-ga over radio talk show host Mancow’s waterboarding stunt.
Matthew Yglesias wet his pants. He featured Mancow’s photo and the blaring headline: “Conservative Radio Host Has Himself Waterboard to Prove It’s Not Torture, Realizes He Was Wrong.”
MSNBC and HuffPo embraced him. Ezra Klein at the Washington Post piled on. So did Jonathan Chait: “I think the torture debate would be mighty different if more of the conservatives who scoff at waterboarding would try the same thing.”
And Think Progress. And Andrew Sullivan.
Now, there’s a paper trail that suggests the glaringly obvious — that it was all an elaborate hoax, reportedly orchestrated with the help of Jerry Springer’s publicist.
Time for B.S. detector tune-ups, people. Next time, libs, don’t be so eager to hype a veteran radio entertainer crying “torture.”
You’re the ones who end up all wet.
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Linda Shafran, publicist for Mancow and Springer among other celebs, e-mails the following statement:
BORED BLOGGERS ARE ALL WET
By Mancow Muller May 29, 2008I am not a magician. Many news cameras were there!
Obviously, it was on the radio and I wasn’t in prison. I’m also not a radicalized Muslim terrorist. But it was not a hoax! I repeat: NOT A HOAX.
We kept telling management, the insurance companies, and the local Chicago cops we weren’t really going to do it – until we did. Otherwise, they weren’t gonna let us do it! We got a U.S. Marine that told us he had studied how to do it and he volunteered to waterboard me in return for a mention of his charity.
I was on a decline and I was waterboarded. Was I in chains? No. Does that make it less real? I am failing to get the point attempted by my detractors. We never claimed it was an exact recreation.
The CIA technique is exactly what we did:
1. Keep the chest elevated above the head and neck to keep the lungs “above the waterline.”
2. Incline the head, both to keep the throat open and to present the nostrils for easier filling.
3. Force the mouth open so that water can be poured into both the nose and mouth.
Sorry, I thought for years it wasn’t torture and now I do. The video is there for all to see.The left has taken my message and distorted it as well. Would I wanterboard to save my daughters (or any American children)? Yes!
The three terrorists that were waterboarded at Guantanamo were done so by military professionals. And it was done to save lives with America’s best interests at heart. Mine was a silly radio time filler in comparison. Its apples & hand grenades!
It would be insane to equate what I did with anything that happens in prison. I am simply a free man in a radio studio that always tries to get inside the big issues. This is an ugly issue with no easy answers. But I now see it’s easier for some to dismiss me than to do any real soul searching on this very heady issue.
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The liberal definition of “torture” appears to be “anything the enemies of the USA and progressives find unpleasant, regardless of merit or application”.
You mean, like Generals?
How about mayors?
You REALLY are out of your depth.
Why?
Umm, torture has always been illegal.
And even EIT’s are still legal. Obama has reserved the right to utilize them when needed.
My grandfather is a Chickenhawk. He got my grandmother pregnant twice to avoid Vietnam but loves him some war.
Great. One data point.
I’m sure I can find people who have experienced sleep deprivation and extreme temperatures that consider such techniques torture. Would that mean you’re wrong?
Would somebody please waterboard Keith Olbermann?
Watching him is real torture.
What exactly is stupid about the paragraph? Please, deconstruct it and explain in detail? Fine. I know. It is easier to hurl epiteths than to explain your position. Typical liberal tactics.
If you want to know what I think, please ask me and I’ll tell you. You don’t have to speculate.
And, just to reaffirm my position, if waterboarded, I would admit to being the Queen of England to get it to stop. Yes, I would lie to stop it.
Would you lie, to stop being waterboarded? Are you the person we all trust to under go waterboarding, and then say it is nothing more than uncomfortable? Mancow called it torture. What will you call it? And, when you do, be specific, describe your feelings and thoughts.
Its just too too juicy, libs can’t help but wet their panties in faux torture lust.
Maybe it hurts soo good.
So a community activist that instigates the creation of a new firehouse in her community is a chickhawk because she doesn’t actually want to fight the fires herself?
Would you lie to avoid a life in prison?
You do know that 30’s husband is married to a black woman right? Oh, I forgot, it’s a cover so people won’t know he’s a racist.
He’s a liberal. He’d lie to keep somebody from taking away his cookie.
Because, then you would know what I thought torture was, and wasn’t. It is more direct than asking twenty questions about different activities and whether, or not, each is torture.
Yes, there is wisdom in brevity.
Are you the person we all trust to under go incarceration, and then say it is nothing more than uncomfortable?
Now that’s funny.
BTW – why aren’t all of you lefties over at the Black Panther thread denouncing
Dieboldthe thugs who tried to intimidate voters?You are making false assumptions again.
A cardinal error.
Yes, one data point, and that is why I used the word ‘begin.’ From that, you should have realized that it was only a ’start’, and that I had ‘agreed’ with the suggestion of the poster that many vets should be asked. I did not say start and stop with Ventura, only begin.
Nope, it would not make me wrong.
The question, of course, is why do you think your definition of torture has any relevance? Certainly it doesn’t agree with the legal definition, and therefore is of no consequence (except to you, of course).
Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.
And you people, say he’s wrong – does that make any sense?
You have made me see the light corkie.
Yes, a community activist who won’t fight fires is exactly the same as a draft dodging coward who designs a war and then sends troops to lose their lives in said war.
First, SOURCE!!!!
Second, regardless of what a highly respected combat commander says, the law is what it is.
Have YOU read the law?
You silly country lovin person…General Petraeus is nothing but a coward now and RINO.
Ummm. Yes, I absolutely realized that it was only a ’start.’
Did you think that I didn’t?
I merely stated that Ventura was one data point.
Waste of time.
May 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
On May 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
It must be terrible for him?
It’s a terrible time for America. On that we agree. But I think we can weather the storm, right? You guys survived George Bush!
+10
Great. I’ll tell the family that their great grandmother (who pushed for the first firehouse in her county) was a chickhawk. I’m sure everyone will agree.
You should let the smarter liberals do the debating here on there own. You’re just making them all look bad.
I am not going to answer any more of your questions, until you answer mine, beginning with my post #104.
Cowboy up and do not be afraid. Answer the questions.
When you do so, I will happily address your new questions, comments, concerns, tangents and theories, at that time.
Yes. He’s wrong, and that makes sense.
As well as being, as usual, a flat lie.
But a waterboarding volunteer can prove that Mancow’s stunt was a hoax?
Petraeus is merely trying trying to please President Hussein .
I know.
And I just hate it when trolls smear Pres. Clinton like that…
But, idiots will out.
Somalia, right?
I was leaning toward Bosnia myself…
But there are several good choices…
I go back to my original post…NOTHING(your country) and NO ONE comes(human beings) before your party.
NO party or politician will ever have my complete dedication and loyalty.
What is the false assumption I am making?
Because, I said you do not know what I beleive torture is, or isn’t? Because you have not asked me directly?
If I assumed, incorrectly, that you do not know what I believe torture is, or isn’t, then I apologize.
Now, please tell me what I think torture is so that I can tell if you are correct, or incorrect.
I’ll say it again -
Though I had wished you had cut to the chase and simply asked, ‘How do you define torture?’
Where is my assumption again?
We’ve been through the lesson on question marks, and you learned well, seems we have to re-visit the lesson on reading and writing comprehension again.
Paul M. Johnson Jr – RIP
I totally agree. Clinton was a Chickenhawk too.
I have to confess, I have a lot less trouble with Clinton as a draft dodger than I do with the thought of Jimmy Carter at the helm of a nuclear submarine.
It’s stupid of you to imply that I’m afraid to answer any of your questions.
However, I won’t comment on any interrogation tactics which I may have experienced in the past nor my reactions to such tactics.
Additionally, one’s propensity to “lie” during such interrogation is immaterial to this discussion. Especially, if lying is exactly what one is supposed to do during such interrogation.
Don’t answer my questions. It doesn’t matter. Your statements are meaningless.
Ragspierre, did you learn your “lesson on question marks?”
Your original post was just as stupid as the subsequent ones.
Well, hell…
bad as I hate to admit it…
we have something in common.
I don’t have a party. Like most of us here.
Shhh….!!!
I’m teaching the z-troll strategy…
Because, I was asked if specific activities were torture, or not. I suggested that I simply be asked what my definition of torture was so that the number of questions be minimized.
I still have yet to be asked what my definition of torture is, so it certainly has no relevance to others, because they do not want to know. They would rather make assumptions.
HUH?
How can you say that, not knowing exactly what my definition of torture is? How do you know if my definition of torture is different from the legal one? I forget, you make assumptions and create straw man postions to knock down. Just more of your Liberal tactics at work.
Makes sense. Carry on.
Z-troll:
Have you read the law…the applicable law?
He’s probably right that your definition is different.
And I hope you’re bothered by this assumption.
I may have confused you with one of the other leftist idiots who was whining about waterboarding being torture earlier. If so, my mistake.
Nope. Sorry. I occasionally make mistakes, but never strawmen.
Stop trying to make me respect you, dammit!
I’m a hor-ble, hor-ble man…
It is all good. Thank you for addressing the matter.
I responded because you cut and pasted my words. I find it helpful to not only cut and paste the words, but the time stamp and post number to keep it all straight. I have noticed that you have done so in the past, sometimes there is an ‘oops’ and we forget in the heat of the momment, no worries.
Thanks again, and I look forward to a continued honest, delightful and meaningful exchange of veiws.
OH, and please know that I am not a leftist.
No, I would guess that more than likely you consider yourself a “moderate”.
Yes, I have.
And, please refer to me by my screen name.
Moreover, I will not respond to your questions if you do not answer the questions I asked in my post #134. Cut and paste them and address them one by one.
Cowboy up and do not be afraid. You made assertions defend them.
When you do so, I will happily address your new questions, comments, concerns, tangents and theories, at that time.
Here is Ragspierre’s post acknowledging that I had provided a lesson (that it was learned) on asking questions, cut and pasted in it’s entirety -
Lesson given, lesson learned.
I will work on improving Ragspierre’s reading and writing comprehension. I was successful with the questions lesson, and I am hopeful about the comprehension lesson.
How about the law, z-troll?
I learned the lesson that you are a crank. I am a master at learning how to speak the language of my interlocutor. I speak to pathological people all the time, and get them to tell me what I need to hear and have on record. It is a process called “deposition”.
Now I’m continuing my revelation.
You were asked a question. We’re all waiting….
Corkie, can you imagine if Bush had come out and said that he decided to end torture (EIT) in an exec order, but left the decision that if it needed to be used later he could and it was only completely up to him?
I read the Huff&Puff site on the Mancow thing. The headline was Conservative Radio host admits waterboarding is torture. There were over 1,000 comments all from lefties who were praising Mancow for becoming enlightened and saying Cheney and Hannity were next. I got a good chuckle when I looked Mancow up, a DJ who does a show like a morning drive. The left will mislead every chance they get. Fox news now more than doubles all the other media combined. Hopefully Americans are waking up to the lies and misrepresentations they are fed daily. I pray now that Americans will all stand up and say, no more propaganda, enough!!
Nope.
And, this is a clear example of being in-direct. Why guess, when you can ask? It is passive aggressive.
I will grant you this, I only said what I am not, and could have said, what I was. Though, I was responding to an assertion, or suggestion.
I am sure it is important for some people to know whether another person is left, right, or moderate. I prefer to be called consistent. When I post it is to more fully understand and appreciate the consistentcy, or inconsistentcy of what is being said.
Go back and re-read my original post on this thread. I seek to more fully understand whether there is ‘punking’ or ‘hoaxing’ going on. I offered a suggestion to resolve the question. The suggestion is neither left, right, or moderate. It is a question that seeks the truth. It is a question that looks to provide and deliver . . . consistentcy.
Would another person feel the same way Mancow did? Get a volunteer. Someone we trust. From there I was taken to task, by tangents, alternate theories, off hand comments, and perjoratives.
I do my best to respectfully address as many comments that I can, and I do it it consistently. There are those that just want to attack and avoid my original post. Infer, assume and take things out of context.
When I agree with someone, I say so, even if it is the smallest of items. Go ahead and look through this thread and note how many times anyone has said, ‘Yeah, though on the larger issue we have differences of opinion, but on that one thing you said, I agree with that.’ What it is, is simple, and that is to acknowledge sometimes when it needs to be. Say you agree, when you do. It does diminish anyone.
You made an oops, and acknowledged it. I acknowledged that and thanked you for your honesty. What is exactly wrong with that exchange?
Ask me a question. Quote me. And, I will respond respectfully. Answer my questions, when I quote you (global) and you earn my respect and a fuller appreciation of your position. What is exactly wrong with that?
LOL.
I was asked several questions by several people and will only address those who answer my questions, including you.
Maybe you missed it the first time –
Moreover, I will not respond to your questions if you do not answer the questions I asked in my post #134. Cut and paste them and address them one by one.
Cowboy up and do not be afraid. You made assertions defend them.
When you do so, I will happily address your new questions, comments, concerns, tangents and theories, at that time.
And, that applies to everyone. You don’t answer mine, and I will not answer yours.
Finally, use my screen name. Thank you.
Thanks, AlohaGuy! I needed a good laugh.
Here’s what gets me–we’re supposed to be all upset and outraged by making terrorists think that they are drowning in order to abstract information from them, but when babies are born in botched abortions, and are left to die unattended in linen closets, we’re supposed to consider THAT proper medical procedure.
The left is utterly insane.
You want to see real torture ask Egypt, Russia, Somalia, etc, etc etc. How you can even compare waterboarding or throwing a caterpillar or a bunch of ladybugs in a cell with a terroist that would gladly whack your head off if given the chance, is beyond me.
I always thought that the sort of activity such as jamming sharp, flat objects into one’s fingernails, or suspending people and beating them with rods, or attaching electrodes to someone’s most sensitive areas was regarded as torture–you know, the sort of things that shock most of us by merely describing the barbarism that people will do to crush the bodies and wills of others.
Have any of you liberals who whine for the “rights” of these insane jihadists ever read about the REAL torture done against Americans by the Japanese during World War II? Or how about what the North Vietnamese did to our downed pilots? If you ever read accounts of what they went through, you’d see this in a FAR different light. It’s apples & oranges…
And you mean to say you haven’t heard of officers of flag rank wanting to protect their career?
As almost always, this is a flat out lie. I read what the General said. It was not that.
Moreover, having read all the Geneva Conventions, I know they don’t apply to terrorists. At all. Period. The General is WRONG. Read them yourselves, moonbats.
Petraeus has said that:
1. Gitmo and other PAST stuff has been bad PR
2. Because of ONE (above) he supports “responsibly” closing GITMO, which is a good trick, and something Bush has been trying
3. WE NEED TO STOP LOOKING IN THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR.
That last part was not bolded in any of the LEFTIST rags on-line. Wonder why not?
Alan Colmes headline flat out lied about what the general said. Ditto others.
Once again, it comes down to what you value more, real human lives or your own notions of political correctness.
I think if you are unwilling to pour water on a terrorist’s nose for thirty seconds to save innocent lives, that shows where your values are. You value the comfort of terrorists more than real human lives.
That, in my mind, is evil.
And here’s the dirty secret: the Democrats don’t give a rat’s ass about ‘torture’, beyond the word’s emotional value and its use as a rhetorical weapon against the previous administration.
I can’t believe you still have posting privileges after the smear you made the other day against every serving member of the US military, extrapolating upon them all the dubious allegations leveled on a select few of their rank by a known anti-American member of the British press.
You knew full-well that this site is frequented by numerous military family members and that bringing those allegations here – off topic – might cause unnecessary offense, yet you still chose to do so anyway – why?
Was it to intentionally hurt those here with spouses and immediate family now serving in that region of the world, or was it just to build yourself up (if only in your own mind) by engaging in slash-and-burn argumentation to “score points” against conservative ideology in a frivolous debate on I-net blog?
In either case, you revealed yourself to be a callous, shallow commenter who’ll say anything to be the center of attention.
NO, that is not what anyone here is saying. We simply disagree with his assessment: after all, he is neither omniscient nor all-knowing but a mortal man with an exceptional gift in the art of warfare. He is not infallible in all things.
BTW – you’re wrong about the rape thing. Male-on-male rape was/is an acceptable part of aggressive tribal warfare in that part of the world: it is/was seen as the ultimate defeat of an enemy – humiliation through the exertion of dominance and denial of the enemy’s status as a man. Did you not see Midnight Express or Lawrence of Arabia?
I love the statists BS means of joining debate;
first, they lie about what Petraus actually said,
then they tell us how we feel about him and his (their) statement.
Don’t you get how perfectly that fits with totalitarian conduct?
The “source” for this piece of huff-n-puffery is an unsourced rumor reported by an unaccountable web site with a reputation for correctness somewhere between Drudge and the National Enquirer.
And if you think waterboarding is OK, what about rape — which is what the new as yet unreleased photos show?
More lies. The smoking gun emails are all recounted in the source.
What’s YOUR source for the above BS?
In other words, somewhat better than the NYTimes and Washington Post. Drudge, you would know if you ever went there, compiles and reprints articles primarily from mainstream media. His accuracy depends on theirs. Now would you care to deal with the substance? No, thought not.
You may wanna think about that – “Drudge” is read by every major news outlet around (sometimes they even credit it-/him) and the “Nat Enq” broke the Edwards scandal that the MSM tried ignore.
Again, read or rent “Midnight Express” and/or “Lawrence of Arabia.”
Or visit any prison.
I am confounded by the impulse of the statists, who manifestly despise our nation, that has them militating for treatment of terrorists or their supporters that is not afforded American criminals in our own police stations or prisons.
Frankly, when people are openly working to destroy my very culture, my impulse is simply to destroy them until they change their minds. NO terrorist has any rights under any convention or law of which I know, though we have extended them many that none of us would be afforded.
Because people like Michelle ain’t too smart, Mancow had to go on Olberman again last night and he completely destroy this ‘hoax’ theory.
Five minutes of investigation could have told you this, Michelle.
Basically, they called it a ‘hoax’ because the city wouldn’t let the radio station do it due to safety reasons. So they called it a ’stunt’, a ‘hoax’ so authorities would let them go ahead with the torturing.
I’m embarrassed that this post is still on your site, or that you at least haven’t issued a correction after this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwhJaS2_0f0
I dont care. Anything our patriotic interrogators deem necessary is fine with me. Whatever it takes to extract information from them and put some fear in their heart.
You shouldn’t EMBARRASSED…
You should be MORTIFIED.
http://gawker.com/5273106/oh-keith
It’s Ober-liar that failed to do any investigation.
What a dope. You swallowed that load.
Not going to take much suction as there isn’t much to suck out…
Gawker is finally good for something
Great! Hopefully, nobody will ever answer any of your questions.
I’m surprised that no one on this list realized the fact that what Mancow experienced IS NOT waterboarding, according to the documents released a few weeks ago by the Obama administration.
See the top of page 4….
No where in that document does is say that water is poured – in any quantity – directly into the nose or mouth.
It also clearly states that the individual does not breathe any water into the lungs – a claim that could not be made by the method employed on the DJ.
That was a PR stunt – a HOAX – by a publicity-seeking entertainer who apparently needs a ratings boost just ahead of his contract renewal…