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1. #101
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pm, moonshot said:

   My grandfather is a Chickenhawk. He got my grandmother pregnant twice to avoid Vietnam but loves him some war.

2. #102
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, corkie said:

   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, zyzzyg said:

   OK. Agreed. We can begin former Navy SEAL Jesse Ventura, who has a distinct position on waterboarding.

   Great. One data point.

   I’m sure I can find people who have experienced sleep deprivation and extreme temperatures that consider such techniques torture. Would that mean you’re wrong?

3. #103
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:52 pm, Gorebot said:

   Would somebody please waterboard Keith Olbermann?

   Watching him is real torture.

4. #104
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:53 pm, zyzzyg said:

   On May 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, corkie said: #36

   Stupid paragraph.

   You probably don’t think that a life prison sentence is torture, but you would probably admit to being the Queen of England in order to get released.

   What exactly is stupid about the paragraph? Please, deconstruct it and explain in detail? Fine. I know. It is easier to hurl epiteths than to explain your position. Typical liberal tactics.

   If you want to know what I think, please ask me and I’ll tell you. You don’t have to speculate.

   And, just to reaffirm my position, if waterboarded, I would admit to being the Queen of England to get it to stop. Yes, I would lie to stop it.

   Would you lie, to stop being waterboarded? Are you the person we all trust to under go waterboarding, and then say it is nothing more than uncomfortable? Mancow called it torture. What will you call it? And, when you do, be specific, describe your feelings and thoughts.

5. #105
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, Speakup said:

   “Conservative Radio Host Has Himself Waterboard to Prove It’s Not Torture, Realizes He Was Wrong.”

   Its just too too juicy, libs can’t help but wet their panties in faux torture lust.
   Maybe it hurts soo good.

6. #106
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:55 pm, corkie said:

   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, moonshot said:

   Besides, the term is meant for people who have a hard on for or instigate something that they are too cowardly to participate in themselves.

   So a community activist that instigates the creation of a new firehouse in her community is a chickhawk because she doesn’t actually want to fight the fires herself?

7. #107
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:57 pm, corkie said:

   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:53 pm, zyzzyg said:

   And, just to reaffirm my position, if waterboarded, I would admit to being the Queen of England to get it to stop. Yes, I would lie to stop it.

   Would you lie to avoid a life in prison?

8. #108
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Hi 30 pcs of silver, It’s so good to hear from you.

   How’s your husband handling having a black President?

   It must be terrible for him?

   You do know that 30′s husband is married to a black woman right? Oh, I forgot, it’s a cover so people won’t know he’s a racist.

9. #109
   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm, txvet2 said:

   On May 29th, 2009 at 5:57 pm, corkie said:

   Would you lie to avoid a life in prison?

   He’s a liberal. He’d lie to keep somebody from taking away his cookie.

10. #110
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:46 pm, Ragspierre said: #99

    Though I had wished you had cut to the chase and simply asked, ‘How do you define torture?’

    Why?

    Because, then you would know what I thought torture was, and wasn’t. It is more direct than asking twenty questions about different activities and whether, or not, each is torture.

    Yes, there is wisdom in brevity.

11. #111
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:53 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Are you the person we all trust to under go waterboarding, and then say it is nothing more than uncomfortable?

    Are you the person we all trust to under go incarceration, and then say it is nothing more than uncomfortable?

12. #112
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, txvet2 said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Now that’s funny.

13. #113
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    BTW – why aren’t all of you lefties over at the Black Panther thread denouncing Diebold the thugs who tried to intimidate voters?

14. #114
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Because, then you would know what I thought torture was, and wasn’t. It is more direct than asking twenty questions about different activities and whether, or not, each is torture.

    Yes, there is wisdom in brevity.

    You are making false assumptions again.

    A cardinal error.

15. #115
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, corkie said: #102

    Great. One data point.

    Yes, one data point, and that is why I used the word ‘begin.’ From that, you should have realized that it was only a ‘start’, and that I had ‘agreed’ with the suggestion of the poster that many vets should be asked. I did not say start and stop with Ventura, only begin.

    I’m sure I can find people who have experienced sleep deprivation and extreme temperatures that consider such techniques torture. Would that mean you’re wrong?

    Nope, it would not make me wrong.

16. #116
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pm, txvet2 said:

    Because, then you would know what I thought torture was, and wasn’t. It is more direct than asking twenty questions about different activities and whether, or not, each is torture.

    The question, of course, is why do you think your definition of torture has any relevance? Certainly it doesn’t agree with the legal definition, and therefore is of no consequence (except to you, of course).

17. #117
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.

    And you people, say he’s wrong – does that make any sense?

18. #118
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:14 pm, moonshot said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:55 pm, corkie said: So a community activist that instigates the creation of a new firehouse in her community is a chickhawk because she doesn’t actually want to fight the fires herself?

    You have made me see the light corkie.

    Yes, a community activist who won’t fight fires is exactly the same as a draft dodging coward who designs a war and then sends troops to lose their lives in said war.

19. #119
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.

    And you people, say he’s wrong – does that make any sense?

    First, SOURCE!!!!

    Second, regardless of what a highly respected combat commander says, the law is what it is.

    Have YOU read the law?

20. #120
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm, moonshot said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.

    And you people, say he’s wrong – does that make any sense?

    You silly country lovin person…General Petraeus is nothing but a coward now and RINO.

21. #121
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, zyzzyg said:

    From that, you should have realized that it was only a ’start’, and that I had ‘agreed’ with the suggestion of the poster that many vets should be asked. I did not say start and stop with Ventura, only begin.

    Ummm. Yes, I absolutely realized that it was only a ‘start.’

    Did you think that I didn’t?

    I merely stated that Ventura was one data point.

22. #122
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Yes, a community activist who won’t fight fires is exactly the same as a draft dodging coward who designs a war and then sends troops to lose their lives in said war.

    Waste of time.

23. #123
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:19 pm, docflash said:

    May 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
    On May 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    It must be terrible for him?
    It’s a terrible time for America. On that we agree. But I think we can weather the storm, right? You guys survived George Bush!

    +10

24. #124
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:14 pm, moonshot said:

    Yes, a community activist who won’t fight fires is exactly the same as a draft dodging coward who designs a war and then sends troops to lose their lives in said war.

    Great. I’ll tell the family that their great grandmother (who pushed for the first firehouse in her county) was a chickhawk. I’m sure everyone will agree.

    You should let the smarter liberals do the debating here on there own. You’re just making them all look bad.

25. #125
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:57 pm, corkie said: #107

    Would you lie to avoid a life in prison?

    I am not going to answer any more of your questions, until you answer mine, beginning with my post #104.

    Cowboy up and do not be afraid. Answer the questions.

    When you do so, I will happily address your new questions, comments, concerns, tangents and theories, at that time.

26. #126
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm, txvet2 said:

    And you people, say he’s wrong – does that make any sense?

    Yes. He’s wrong, and that makes sense.

    Random House College Dictionary, Revised Edition (Classics Edition):

    torture: n. 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, esp. as a means of punishment or coercion. 2. a method of inflicting such pain.

27. #127
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pm, txvet2 said:

    Waste of time.

    As well as being, as usual, a flat lie.

28. #128
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Nope, it would not make me wrong.

    But a waterboarding volunteer can prove that Mancow’s stunt was a hoax?

29. #129
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:25 pm, usa_usa said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.
    And you people, say he’s wrong – does that make any sense?

    Petraeus is merely trying trying to please President Hussein .

30. #130
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:27 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Waste of time.

    As well as being, as usual, a flat lie.

    I know.

    And I just hate it when trolls smear Pres. Clinton like that…

    But, idiots will out.

31. #131
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:29 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Yes, a community activist who won’t fight fires is exactly the same as a draft dodging coward who designs a war and then sends troops to lose their lives in said war.

    Somalia, right?

32. #132
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Somalia, right?

    I was leaning toward Bosnia myself…

    But there are several good choices…

33. #133
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, moonshot said:

    I go back to my original post…NOTHING(your country) and NO ONE comes(human beings) before your party.

    NO party or politician will ever have my complete dedication and loyalty.

34. #134
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm, Ragspierre said: #114

    You are making false assumptions again.

    A cardinal error.

    What is the false assumption I am making?

    Because, I said you do not know what I beleive torture is, or isn’t? Because you have not asked me directly?

    If I assumed, incorrectly, that you do not know what I believe torture is, or isn’t, then I apologize.

    Now, please tell me what I think torture is so that I can tell if you are correct, or incorrect.

    I’ll say it again -

    Though I had wished you had cut to the chase and simply asked, ‘How do you define torture?’

    Where is my assumption again?

    We’ve been through the lesson on question marks, and you learned well, seems we have to re-visit the lesson on reading and writing comprehension again.

35. #135
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Paul M. Johnson Jr – RIP

36. #136
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pm, moonshot said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:29 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I totally agree. Clinton was a Chickenhawk too.

37. #137
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, txvet2 said:

    I have to confess, I have a lot less trouble with Clinton as a draft dodger than I do with the thought of Jimmy Carter at the helm of a nuclear submarine.

38. #138
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Cowboy up and do not be afraid. Answer the questions.

    It’s stupid of you to imply that I’m afraid to answer any of your questions.

    However, I won’t comment on any interrogation tactics which I may have experienced in the past nor my reactions to such tactics.

    Additionally, one’s propensity to “lie” during such interrogation is immaterial to this discussion. Especially, if lying is exactly what one is supposed to do during such interrogation.

    Don’t answer my questions. It doesn’t matter. Your statements are meaningless.

39. #139
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, zyzzyg said:

    We’ve been through the lesson on question marks, and you learned well, seems we have to re-visit the lesson on reading and writing comprehension again.

    Ragspierre, did you learn your “lesson on question marks?”

40. #140
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, moonshot said:

    I go back to my original post…NOTHING(your country) and NO ONE comes(human beings) before your party.

    Your original post was just as stupid as the subsequent ones.

41. #141
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:43 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I go back to my original post…NOTHING(your country) and NO ONE comes(human beings) before your party.

    NO party or politician will ever have my complete dedication and loyalty.

    Well, hell…

    bad as I hate to admit it…

    we have something in common.

    I don’t have a party. Like most of us here.

42. #142
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:45 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Ragspierre, did you learn your “lesson on question marks?”

    Shhh….!!!

    I’m teaching the z-troll strategy…

43. #143
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pm, txvet2 said: #116

    The question, of course, is why do you think your definition of torture has any relevance?

    Because, I was asked if specific activities were torture, or not. I suggested that I simply be asked what my definition of torture was so that the number of questions be minimized.

    I still have yet to be asked what my definition of torture is, so it certainly has no relevance to others, because they do not want to know. They would rather make assumptions.

    Certainly it doesn’t agree with the legal definition, and therefore is of no consequence (except to you, of course).

    HUH?

    How can you say that, not knowing exactly what my definition of torture is? How do you know if my definition of torture is different from the legal one? I forget, you make assumptions and create straw man postions to knock down. Just more of your Liberal tactics at work.

44. #144
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:48 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:45 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I’m teaching the z-troll strategy…

    Makes sense. Carry on.

45. #145
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Z-troll:

    Have you read the law…the applicable law?

46. #146
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, zyzzyg said:

    How can you say that, not knowing exactly what my definition of torture is? How do you know if my definition of torture is different from the legal one?

    He’s probably right that your definition is different.

    And I hope you’re bothered by this assumption.

47. #147
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, txvet2 said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, zyzzyg said:

    HUH?

    How can you say that, not knowing exactly what my definition of torture is?

    I may have confused you with one of the other leftist idiots who was whining about waterboarding being torture earlier. If so, my mistake.

    I forget, you make assumptions and create straw man postions to knock down.

    Nope. Sorry. I occasionally make mistakes, but never strawmen.

48. #148
    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pm, moonshot said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:43 pm, Ragspierre said:
    Well, hell…

    bad as I hate to admit it…

    we have something in common.

    I don’t have a party. Like most of us here.

    Stop trying to make me respect you, dammit!

49. #149
    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:00 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Stop trying to make me respect you, dammit!

    I’m a hor-ble, hor-ble man…

50. #150
    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, txvet2 said: #147

    I may have confused you with one of the other leftist idiots who was whining about waterboarding being torture earlier. If so, my mistake.

    Nope. Sorry. I occasionally make mistakes, but never strawmen.

    It is all good. Thank you for addressing the matter.

    I responded because you cut and pasted my words. I find it helpful to not only cut and paste the words, but the time stamp and post number to keep it all straight. I have noticed that you have done so in the past, sometimes there is an ‘oops’ and we forget in the heat of the momment, no worries.

    Thanks again, and I look forward to a continued honest, delightful and meaningful exchange of veiws.

    OH, and please know that I am not a leftist.

51. #151
    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, txvet2 said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, zyzzyg said:

    OH, and please know that I am not a leftist.

    No, I would guess that more than likely you consider yourself a “moderate”.

52. #152
    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pm, Ragspierre said: #145

    Z-troll:

    Have you read the law…the applicable law?

    Yes, I have.

    And, please refer to me by my screen name.

    Moreover, I will not respond to your questions if you do not answer the questions I asked in my post #134. Cut and paste them and address them one by one.

    Cowboy up and do not be afraid. You made assertions defend them.

    When you do so, I will happily address your new questions, comments, concerns, tangents and theories, at that time.

53. #153
    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Here is Ragspierre’s post acknowledging that I had provided a lesson (that it was learned) on asking questions, cut and pasted in it’s entirety -

    On May 29th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, Ragspierre said: #22

    That is the question. And, the answer will be delivered when any trusted individual from the ‘right’ subjects themselves to waterboarding.

    How about the thousands of US service personnel?

    How about you read the law?

    Do you think it is “torture” to deprive people of sleep?

    Do you think it is “torture” to keep people in cold or heat for protracted periods of time, while concurrently monitoring their vital signs?

    Notice the QUESTION MARKS?

    Lesson given, lesson learned.

    I will work on improving Ragspierre’s reading and writing comprehension. I was successful with the questions lesson, and I am hopeful about the comprehension lesson.

54. #154
    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm, Ragspierre said:

    How about the law, z-troll?

    I learned the lesson that you are a crank. I am a master at learning how to speak the language of my interlocutor. I speak to pathological people all the time, and get them to tell me what I need to hear and have on record. It is a process called “deposition”.

    Now I’m continuing my revelation.

    You were asked a question. We’re all waiting….

55. #155
    On May 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, frontierguy said:

    And even EIT’s are still legal. Obama has reserved the right to utilize them when needed.

    Corkie, can you imagine if Bush had come out and said that he decided to end torture (EIT) in an exec order, but left the decision that if it needed to be used later he could and it was only completely up to him?

    I read the Huff&Puff site on the Mancow thing. The headline was Conservative Radio host admits waterboarding is torture. There were over 1,000 comments all from lefties who were praising Mancow for becoming enlightened and saying Cheney and Hannity were next. I got a good chuckle when I looked Mancow up, a DJ who does a show like a morning drive. The left will mislead every chance they get. Fox news now more than doubles all the other media combined. Hopefully Americans are waking up to the lies and misrepresentations they are fed daily. I pray now that Americans will all stand up and say, no more propaganda, enough!!

56. #156
    On May 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, txvet2 said: #151

    No, I would guess that more than likely you consider yourself a “moderate”.

    Nope.

    And, this is a clear example of being in-direct. Why guess, when you can ask? It is passive aggressive.

    I will grant you this, I only said what I am not, and could have said, what I was. Though, I was responding to an assertion, or suggestion.

    I am sure it is important for some people to know whether another person is left, right, or moderate. I prefer to be called consistent. When I post it is to more fully understand and appreciate the consistentcy, or inconsistentcy of what is being said.

    Go back and re-read my original post on this thread. I seek to more fully understand whether there is ‘punking’ or ‘hoaxing’ going on. I offered a suggestion to resolve the question. The suggestion is neither left, right, or moderate. It is a question that seeks the truth. It is a question that looks to provide and deliver . . . consistentcy.

    Would another person feel the same way Mancow did? Get a volunteer. Someone we trust. From there I was taken to task, by tangents, alternate theories, off hand comments, and perjoratives.

    I do my best to respectfully address as many comments that I can, and I do it it consistently. There are those that just want to attack and avoid my original post. Infer, assume and take things out of context.

    When I agree with someone, I say so, even if it is the smallest of items. Go ahead and look through this thread and note how many times anyone has said, ‘Yeah, though on the larger issue we have differences of opinion, but on that one thing you said, I agree with that.’ What it is, is simple, and that is to acknowledge sometimes when it needs to be. Say you agree, when you do. It does diminish anyone.

    You made an oops, and acknowledged it. I acknowledged that and thanked you for your honesty. What is exactly wrong with that exchange?

    Ask me a question. Quote me. And, I will respond respectfully. Answer my questions, when I quote you (global) and you earn my respect and a fuller appreciation of your position. What is exactly wrong with that?

57. #157
    On May 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm, Ragspierre said: #154

    How about the law, z-troll?

    I learned the lesson that you are a crank. I am a master at learning how to speak the language of my interlocutor. I speak to pathological people all the time, and get them to tell me what I need to hear and have on record. It is a process called “deposition”.

    Now I’m continuing my revelation.

    You were asked a question. We’re all waiting….

    LOL.

    I was asked several questions by several people and will only address those who answer my questions, including you.

    Maybe you missed it the first time –

    Moreover, I will not respond to your questions if you do not answer the questions I asked in my post #134. Cut and paste them and address them one by one.

    Cowboy up and do not be afraid. You made assertions defend them.

    When you do so, I will happily address your new questions, comments, concerns, tangents and theories, at that time.

    And, that applies to everyone. You don’t answer mine, and I will not answer yours.

    Finally, use my screen name. Thank you.

58. #158
    On May 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Hi 30 pcs of silver, It’s so good to hear from you.

    How’s your husband handling having a black President?

    It must be terrible for him?

    You do know that 30’s husband is married to a black woman right? Oh, I forgot, it’s a cover so people won’t know he’s a racist.

    Thanks, AlohaGuy! I needed a good laugh.

59. #159
    On May 30th, 2009 at 1:22 am, yohannbiimu said:

    Here’s what gets me–we’re supposed to be all upset and outraged by making terrorists think that they are drowning in order to abstract information from them, but when babies are born in botched abortions, and are left to die unattended in linen closets, we’re supposed to consider THAT proper medical procedure.

    The left is utterly insane.

60. #160
    On May 30th, 2009 at 1:24 am, tbear44 said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    What a stupid thread – using a blog to criticize other blogs.

    Why are you people so intent on claiming water-boarding isn’t torture?

    You want to see real torture ask Egypt, Russia, Somalia, etc, etc etc. How you can even compare waterboarding or throwing a caterpillar or a bunch of ladybugs in a cell with a terroist that would gladly whack your head off if given the chance, is beyond me.

61. #161
    On May 30th, 2009 at 1:25 am, yohannbiimu said:

    Here’s what gets me–we’re supposed to be all upset and outraged by making terrorists think that they are drowning in order to abstract extract information from them, but when babies are born in botched abortions, and are left to die unattended in linen closets, we’re supposed to consider THAT proper medical procedure.
    

    Fixed…

    The left is utterly insane.

62. #162
    On May 30th, 2009 at 1:36 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On May 30th, 2009 at 1:24 am, tbear44 said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    What a stupid thread – using a blog to criticize other blogs.

    Why are you people so intent on claiming water-boarding isn’t torture?

    You want to see real torture ask Egypt, Russia, Somalia, etc, etc etc. How you can even compare waterboarding or throwing a caterpillar or a bunch of ladybugs in a cell with a terroist that would gladly whack your head off if given the chance, is beyond me.

    I always thought that the sort of activity such as jamming sharp, flat objects into one’s fingernails, or suspending people and beating them with rods, or attaching electrodes to someone’s most sensitive areas was regarded as torture–you know, the sort of things that shock most of us by merely describing the barbarism that people will do to crush the bodies and wills of others.

    Have any of you liberals who whine for the “rights” of these insane jihadists ever read about the REAL torture done against Americans by the Japanese during World War II? Or how about what the North Vietnamese did to our downed pilots? If you ever read accounts of what they went through, you’d see this in a FAR different light. It’s apples & oranges…

63. #163
    On May 30th, 2009 at 5:00 am, love2rumba said:

    Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.

    And you mean to say you haven’t heard of officers of flag rank wanting to protect their career?

64. #164
    On May 30th, 2009 at 8:47 am, Ragspierre said:

    Let me see if I have this straight: General Petraeus said we are breaking the law and these tactics make us war crimminals.

    As almost always, this is a flat out lie. I read what the General said. It was not that.

    Moreover, having read all the Geneva Conventions, I know they don’t apply to terrorists. At all. Period. The General is WRONG. Read them yourselves, moonbats.

    Petraeus has said that:

    1. Gitmo and other PAST stuff has been bad PR

    2. Because of ONE (above) he supports “responsibly” closing GITMO, which is a good trick, and something Bush has been trying

    3. WE NEED TO STOP LOOKING IN THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR.

    That last part was not bolded in any of the LEFTIST rags on-line. Wonder why not?

    Alan Colmes headline flat out lied about what the general said. Ditto others.

65. #165
    On May 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am, Socky said:

    Once again, it comes down to what you value more, real human lives or your own notions of political correctness.

    I think if you are unwilling to pour water on a terrorist’s nose for thirty seconds to save innocent lives, that shows where your values are. You value the comfort of terrorists more than real human lives.

    That, in my mind, is evil.

66. #166
    On May 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am, Socky said:

    And here’s the dirty secret: the Democrats don’t give a rat’s ass about ‘torture’, beyond the word’s emotional value and its use as a rhetorical weapon against the previous administration.

67. #167
    On May 30th, 2009 at 10:12 am, DBNinKY said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    I can’t believe you still have posting privileges after the smear you made the other day against every serving member of the US military, extrapolating upon them all the dubious allegations leveled on a select few of their rank by a known anti-American member of the British press.

    You knew full-well that this site is frequented by numerous military family members and that bringing those allegations here – off topic – might cause unnecessary offense, yet you still chose to do so anyway – why?

    Was it to intentionally hurt those here with spouses and immediate family now serving in that region of the world, or was it just to build yourself up (if only in your own mind) by engaging in slash-and-burn argumentation to “score points” against conservative ideology in a frivolous debate on I-net blog?

    In either case, you revealed yourself to be a callous, shallow commenter who’ll say anything to be the center of attention.

68. #168
    On May 30th, 2009 at 10:38 am, DBNinKY said:

    You silly country lovin person…General Petraeus is nothing but a coward now and RINO.

    NO, that is not what anyone here is saying. We simply disagree with his assessment: after all, he is neither omniscient nor all-knowing but a mortal man with an exceptional gift in the art of warfare. He is not infallible in all things.

    BTW – you’re wrong about the rape thing. Male-on-male rape was/is an acceptable part of aggressive tribal warfare in that part of the world: it is/was seen as the ultimate defeat of an enemy – humiliation through the exertion of dominance and denial of the enemy’s status as a man. Did you not see Midnight Express or Lawrence of Arabia?

69. #169
    On May 30th, 2009 at 10:49 am, Ragspierre said:

    I love the statists BS means of joining debate;

    first, they lie about what Petraus actually said,

    then they tell us how we feel about him and his (their) statement.

    Don’t you get how perfectly that fits with totalitarian conduct?

70. #170
    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am, lgm said:

    The “source” for this piece of huff-n-puffery is an unsourced rumor reported by an unaccountable web site with a reputation for correctness somewhere between Drudge and the National Enquirer.

    And if you think waterboarding is OK, what about rape — which is what the new as yet unreleased photos show?

71. #171
    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am, Ragspierre said:

    what about rape — which is what the new as yet unreleased photos show?

    More lies. The smoking gun emails are all recounted in the source.

    What’s YOUR source for the above BS?

72. #172
    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am, txvet2 said:

    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am, lgm said:

    The “source” for this piece of huff-n-puffery is an unsourced rumor reported by an unaccountable web site with a reputation for correctness somewhere between Drudge and the National Enquirer.

    In other words, somewhat better than the NYTimes and Washington Post. Drudge, you would know if you ever went there, compiles and reprints articles primarily from mainstream media. His accuracy depends on theirs. Now would you care to deal with the substance? No, thought not.

73. #173
    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am, DBNinKY said:

    “…Drudge and the National Enquirer.”

    You may wanna think about that – “Drudge” is read by every major news outlet around (sometimes they even credit it-/him) and the “Nat Enq” broke the Edwards scandal that the MSM tried ignore.

74. #174
    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am, DBNinKY said:

    And if you think waterboarding is OK, what about rape — which is what the new as yet unreleased photos show?

    Again, read or rent “Midnight Express” and/or “Lawrence of Arabia.”

75. #175
    On May 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, txvet2 said:

    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am, DBNinKY said:

    Again, read or rent “Midnight Express” and/or “Lawrence of Arabia.”

    Or visit any prison.

76. #176
    On May 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Or visit any prison.

    I am confounded by the impulse of the statists, who manifestly despise our nation, that has them militating for treatment of terrorists or their supporters that is not afforded American criminals in our own police stations or prisons.

    Frankly, when people are openly working to destroy my very culture, my impulse is simply to destroy them until they change their minds. NO terrorist has any rights under any convention or law of which I know, though we have extended them many that none of us would be afforded.

77. #177
    On May 30th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, tettes said:

    Because people like Michelle ain’t too smart, Mancow had to go on Olberman again last night and he completely destroy this ‘hoax’ theory.

    Five minutes of investigation could have told you this, Michelle.

    Basically, they called it a ‘hoax’ because the city wouldn’t let the radio station do it due to safety reasons. So they called it a ‘stunt’, a ‘hoax’ so authorities would let them go ahead with the torturing.

    I’m embarrassed that this post is still on your site, or that you at least haven’t issued a correction after this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwhJaS2_0f0

78. #178
    On May 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, usa_usa said:

    On May 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am, lgm said:

    And if you think waterboarding is OK, what about rape — which is what the new as yet unreleased photos show?

    I dont care. Anything our patriotic interrogators deem necessary is fine with me. Whatever it takes to extract information from them and put some fear in their heart.

79. #179
    On May 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, Ragspierre said:

    tettes said:

    You shouldn’t EMBARRASSED…

    You should be MORTIFIED.

    http://gawker.com/5273106/oh-keith

    It’s Ober-liar that failed to do any investigation.

    What a dope. You swallowed that load.

80. #180
    On May 30th, 2009 at 5:44 pm, Living in the PSRK said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pm, Mister P said:
    William – Especially the deliver the baby to within seconds of being born alive but instead, keep the head inside and stab their skulls and SUCK OUT THEIR BRAINS.

    No torture there! /sarc (Included tag for the morally dead amongst us)
    I want to see the liberal bloggers or media weenies try to have this done to them.
    As a conservative I will undergoing waterboarding if they are willing to have their brains sucked out.

    Not going to take much suction as there isn’t much to suck out…

81. #181
    On June 1st, 2009 at 1:39 am, usa_usa said:

    Gawker is finally good for something

82. #182
    On June 1st, 2009 at 9:38 am, corkie said:

    On May 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pm, zyzzyg said:

    And, that applies to everyone. You don’t answer mine, and I will not answer yours.

    Great! Hopefully, nobody will ever answer any of your questions.

83. #183
    On June 1st, 2009 at 1:17 pm, IndyRich said:

    I’m surprised that no one on this list realized the fact that what Mancow experienced IS NOT waterboarding, according to the documents released a few weeks ago by the Obama administration.

    See the top of page 4….

    No where in that document does is say that water is poured – in any quantity – directly into the nose or mouth.

    It also clearly states that the individual does not breathe any water into the lungs – a claim that could not be made by the method employed on the DJ.

    That was a PR stunt – a HOAX – by a publicity-seeking entertainer who apparently needs a ratings boost just ahead of his contract renewal…