Notes on the murder of George Tiller
*Late-term abortion doctor George Tiller was gunned down at his church in Kansas Sunday morning in a thoroughly evil, cold-blooded act of domestic terrorism. Yes, terrorism. Not “extremism.” Interesting how the t-word has been rediscovered.
*Every mainstream pro-life organization has unequivocally condemned the killing.
I repeat: Every mainstream pro-life organization has unequivocally condemned the killing.
*Princeton University professor Robert P. George is right about this: “Whoever murdered George Tiller has done a gravely wicked thing. The evil of this action is in no way diminished by the blood George Tiller had on his own hands. No private individual had the right to execute judgment against him. We are a nation of laws. Lawless violence breeds only more lawless violence.”
*President Obama is right about this: “However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.”
*Unfortunately, some are not content to leave it at that for now. They fail to respect that there is a proper time and place to indulge in political battle.
You can go here, here, and here for all that. Another round-up here.
Tiller’s family is grieving. Those who have jumped to score political points before Tiller is even buried are no better than the Phelps family thugs of the “Westboro Baptist Church” who respect no bounds of civility.
Unfortunately, it’s too much to ask the cable news networks and hyper-partisan snipers on the Internet to have the decency to restrain themselves.
Prepare for a wall-to-wall onslaught of gleeful finger-pointing on the Left and heated responses on the Right.
Prepare for whitewashed hagiographies of Tiller’s career as an abortionist.
Prepare for DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano’s defenders to gloat about vindication.
Prepare for collective demonization of pro-lifers and Christians — and more gratuitous attempts to tar talk radio, Fox News, and the Tea Party movement as responsible for the heinous crime.
Prepare for the continuing redefinition of any and all sharp political disagreement as “hate” — a ruinous trend that inevitably comes back to haunt the hysterical accusers decrying “hate” the loudest.
How unhinged has the discourse gotten already? Here’s the left-wing Daily Kos going after the left-wing John Aravosis for going after Barack Obama because he didn’t go after “right-wing extremism” hard enough.
It’s going to be a long week.
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I just read a few published conjectures on the identity of the killer of Tiller.
If they are true, this guys is not a listener to Rush, Hannity, Beck, or Ingram, or a reader of Hot Air or Michelle’s.
He would consider them sold-out dupes.
A Freeman Militia member really is an extremist. They are very close to anarchists, and have usually totally “left the reservation”.
I’m really having a hard time grieving this man’s death. Yes, I grieve the chance he could have had if he’d lived, to repent and clear away his heart and soul, but that, folks, is about it. My questions are these:
Where’s the grief for the countless souls Mr. Tiller had sent out of this world before he had his soul sent out to face God in person? What about the numerous babies who didn’t have even the chance to breath the living air, or walk, have a life, or do all the things that we who were able to be born have had the chance to do?
Yes, I am sorry that Mr. Tiller was murdered. Murder never accomplishes anything. However, to grieve for this man is akin to grieving for Pol Pot, Saddam, or Hitler. I grievef or his family, I grieve for his children, his widow, and his bereft grandchildren (interestign that he even had grandchildren in the first place), and I will grieve the chance he missed to right his sould before the LORD. However, his legacy and his life will not be grieved by this concerned American living Abroad….
Another small observation.
We can predict…as some here have…the renewed howls for gun control, hate-crime laws, and abortion mill special protections.
One thing that I think you can count on coming from this will be a MAJOR FAIRNESS DOCTRINE PUSH.
I hope the suspect’s background is thoroughly dug into.
Stop and think…which “side” in the abortion “debate” benefits from this action?
Yep.
Ragspierre: I didn’t include an apology to you along with chap as I was not aware you too are an attorney.
I fully support attorneys who protect their client’s civil rights in the courts — it is their job to do so. However, I have seen too many that instead of defending the Constitution, look for silly points that can get their client ‘off the hook.’
Case in point, the OJ trial. “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” Had I been on the prosecution team, I would have bought every one of the juror’s a nice pair of leather gloves that fit them snugly, I would then have soaked them in blood and let them dry out. Finally, I would have had them slip on a latex glove and try to once again put on the glove. What’s your next argument, Mr. Cochran? Care to talk about those ‘ugly-a$$’ shoes Mr. Simpson never owned?
Bingo!
It will probably be the only time the liberals will support the death penalty.
Has The One condemned any other murders this week?
Whether you call it vigilantism or domestic terrorism, there is no place for it in a civilized society as we claim to be.
The murder of Tiller should be condemned by all and should NOT be used by anyone to make political hay! Such actions are as reprehensible as the murder of Tiller. However, there are a number of selfish, self-centered people these days who will do precisely that. They are the ones who need to be exposed for the bad people they are so that they will be marginalized and shunned.
That was a great case in point. I thought the OJ defense team did their job well. They could have been beaten, and you suggest a good demonstration. They should have been beaten. The problem was the prosecutors were too engaged in office sex and fame to represent their clients properly, and the judge was a camera whore, too. But you can’t fault the defense; they did what we expect them to do.
The info Gateway Pundit had up yesterday indicates the same.
This was not terrorism. Terrorism invokes terror by heedlessly killing innocents and causing destruction. This was a one man vigilante.
Seeing this comment just above my mine (@ #93) jogged my memory of the President’s speech at Notre Dame and a question it provoked. If abortion is “OK”, why should we seek to reduce the number of so-called “unwanted” pregnancies?
Sorry, missed some of the quote. My comment #95 was agreeing with Ragspierre’s #85.
What I’m finding interesting is how many on the left, in places like Kos, DU, etc, are all of a sudden for using the death penalty on Roeder.
zeroangel,
Congratulations on your new son!
sonofdy,
Happy to hear about your twins!
Gosh, it looks to me like, “Tiller the baby killer” received a very late-term abortion; you know what they say, “Live by the sword…”
In the Middle East, women are stoned to death for having allowed themselves to be victims of rape. In America, the bench allowed the defense to rape the jury’s mind, and we got that verdict.
these leftists never seem to notice that when some lunatic commits a vile criminal act (like the dragging death of that black man in texas) we right wingers support the execution of that pos. but when 2 queers kidnap, torture, sexually abuse and eventually kill a young child, they applaud the life without parole plea these pos’s are given. i often hear that we execute criminals, but condemn abortions. they applaud abortions and murderers getting set free. who’s values need review? the criminal had the chance to choose right or wrong, the aborted child died because of the crappy choices of his/her mother. i hold no pity for the murderer of tiller, just as i hope mr tiller enjoys his stay in hell.
Would we likely see a Free Scott Roeder! movement. Would we likely see it become the favorite cause of Hollywood stars like Danny Glover or Sean Penn? Would we expect a large, well-attended rally in his favor every year?
I dun THINK so, Looocy…
George Tiller would not have been murdered if the various branches of government had supported the basic constitutional right to “life”. While I do not condone Tiller’s murder, I can understand that the utter failures of government led to vigilante justice. I fear that such justice will not be contained merely to such men as Tiller. America is undergoing a socialistic conversion, and such a radical shift will create substantive tensions – and violence.
Pretty weak argument for keeping legal abortions, lgm.
We all know that’s what your point is.
Chicago had 7 murders in 24 hrs over the weekend. No national outrage, however, because none of the victims were popular, left-wing extremists who earned their living by dismembering pre-born children. Fortunately, we have the Eric Holder “justice” department on the case.
Congrats sonofdy and zeroangel !!
My collie says:
Unfortunately, leftists can’t put these two thoughts together. “Choice” is the grandest ‘freedom’ of all virtues and trumps the life of a pre-born child.
The winner if Tiller’s murderer is acquitted are the anarchists. The general Lefty is in a conundrum because killing the babies and babying the killers is their motto.
This will lead to another attack from the left on the 2nd amendment!
MARK MY WORDS!
‘Course.
That goes without saying….
Zeroangel, & sonofdy, Congrats to you both! While they’re aborting themselves, we are multiplying! YAHOO!
bruins90210: Where is the Left’s call to get Americans out of such a murderous environment as they continually call for us to get our troops out of Afghanistan/Iraq or anywhere else they are securing freedoms for the oppressed they seem to care about so much?
You got that right. Too bad the whackjob didn’t use a knife!
It is one of the regrets. Tiller could have been a powerful witness and advocate against abortion if he’d had a turn of heart. Of course, like Jill Stanek, he probably would have been vilified and belittled, but…now we’ll never know.
And, just because we’re going to hear incessantly how this is the MO for pro-life groups (it isn’t), here are a few statistics about violence carried out by or in the name of abortion/pro-choice activists/groups:
* 1,251 homicides/other killings
* 157 attempted homicides
* 28 arsons and firebombings
* 904 assaults
* 1,908 sex crimes (inc. 250 rapes)
* 106 kidnappings
* 420 cases of vandalism
* 290 drug crimes
* 1,616 medical crimes
This doesn’t justify Tiller’s murder in any way, but it does give some recourse in fighting back against the accusations we’re the constantly violent ones.
I shed no tears for this man, the Lord gave him plenty of time and opportunity to repent of the evil he committed. I do regret that his death will elevate him to martyrdom for a cause that is evil itself.
Michelle,
Bald Eagle was listening to you and Laura Ingraham, discuss this topic this morning, and put up a post about your discussion. A Conservative Comanche.
Sorry, correction, Bad Eagle
After reading the comments by Aravosis and DailyKos response, we can expect an all out attack with bayonets drawn on the religious community or anyone who is pro-life. One nut went off the deep end and killed a late term abortionist in a church. The left wing nut fringe went absolutely crazy.
One woman commented on television that the dead abortionist was a Christian and a “good man”. Murder is not the answer but when I hear someone make a comment like that one considering what the man did for a living, I have to ask myself, “what is a Christian?” and if this, being a late term abortionist, constitutes being a “good man”, I don’t ever want the label used on me again. And, when a church has a member who is practicing such a heinous act under the guise of legality and the church apparently supports him, something is terribly wrong with the church.
The left has suddenly “found Jesus” and is doing everything they can to co-opt Christianity the same way Johnson did the race equality issue in the 60s. Look out for it in the weeks and months to come. The “new” Christianity will be supportive of homosexuality and abortion. You might want to think about the church you attend and the direction it is going.
After reading comments at DailyKos, if the “f” word couldn’t be used there, dialogue would disappear instantly.
Contrast this to news speak after murders by PETA involving mere animals. In their eyes, animal experimentation including killing is more hateful than the baby murders performed by this “doctor” of death.
I am reading some of the garbage on DKOS. Where were these people when god was handing out brains and common sense?
What is probably more pathetic than Dr. Tiller’s unauthorized execution itself is the fact that any church at all was allowing him to not only attend services, but be a higher up in it…what are these peole thinking??
William Teach said (#98):
I searched the comment threads for Kos and found exactly one liberal reference to the death penalty:
This is something that would get lots of sympathy here, but not so much there.
englishqueen01 said:
I followed the link given and did not find a reference to a single pro-abortion homicide. I’ve never heard of one.
And congratulations! that’s One new angel for Zero.
As well, you shouldn’t. Just go to any AA meeting and you’ll hear people admit they’re alcoholics. The Church should learn from AA and start having SA meetings. Exposing one’s underbelly is anathema to leftists.
That is only true if one does not recognize that the children aborted were murdered…liberal selective morality at work here.
English queen, the statistics you linked to relate to botched abortions or acts of people who may be pro-choice. I didn’t see any instance where they were condoned by any pro-choice group and very few instances where it was clear that they were being done “for pro choice purposes”.
You just failed at trying to smear the pro-choice side with a broad brush.
gee lgm, I feel slighted. You choosing not to respond to me calling you a liar?
LGM,
Please respond to those who are calling you out. Don’t just ignore those who ask you questions.
I won’t hold my breath.
I did take a look at daily kos and thought after reading that these are lemmings only capable of distilling everything down to caricatures. The simple who can’t think deeper than a me against them mentality. It is very phony, chest beating, self righteousness…the kind that can only come from someone who sits at a keyboard and spews hatred while condemning others for the same thing…ironic? They don’t know the meaning of the word.
Tiller was no saint he wasn’t bringing children into the world he performed something like 60,000 abortions in 24 weeks. I can’t figure out the ratio but it doesn’t look like he was getting a full 8 hours of sleep a night.
Abortion is wrong…pre or post natal.
lgm: I too rejoice for zeroangel.
But, what about all the babies that never got a chance for life because of Tiller and the pro-choice movement?
BTW, IMHO, those who wish to ‘choose’ should make their choice sooner and elect to NOT engage in an activity that quite possibly will produce a human life.
After all, it isn’t just a blob of cells that magically becomes a human upon emergence from the birth canal. Thinking such as that allowed Tiller to go to his church and for that church to accept him, and all involved kept a clean concious.
However, I wonder how Tiller feels now after being judged.
Or, of course, the stories – which are there – of men who murder their wives/girlfriends/mistresses after said wife/girlfriend/mistress refuses to have an abortion to either get him off the hook for parenting/child support or to prevent his infidelity from becoming public.
But, gee, that’s not pro-abortion, is it?
Also, from theunchoice.com – murder is the leading killer of pregnant women.
And again, the common link between this abuse and murder is often that the women didn’t want to have abortions; the baby’s “father” (I use that term loosely) did.
Go back and read the site in more detail, englishqueen. In many of those cases, there’s nothing reported that suggests the woman was killed because she was pregnant.
But in some, there are. And in some, while not murder, threats of murder and/or actual assault are carried out by pro-abortion advocates or abortionists themselves.
It’s not all-encompassing. But to say that pro-abortion folks are not violent is a lie at best.
True.
“Seizure of posters of aborted fetuses”
“Intentionally swerving car toward pro-lifers holding picket signs”
“Killing of wife because she wouldn’t convert to Muslim”
“Politician taking payoffs”
“Abortionist burning down clinic for insurance proceeds”
Yeah, those are clearly violent acts of pro-choicers for abortion reasons and right up there with killing an abortion doctor. (sarcasm off).
John Brown is a’mouldering in his grave…
But it’s so much more convenient to tar all pro-lifers – the thousands and thousands of us – as violent and dangerous because of the actions of one man, who committed the first murder of an abortion doctor since 1998 – is that it?
It’s too bad we have laws that allow the killing of babies. Maybe if we could get a supreme court justice that had EMPATHY for the unborn, this killing would stop?
A recruiter was just killed at a military recruiting station in Arkansas – will there be any outrage? Will Obummer condemn? Will federal marshals now protect the recruiters?
I didn’t think so.
Now let’s look at this in the “big picture”. Which person was more important to the well being of USA?
Aren’t they all homicides?
It is wrong to murder, for Christians and non-Christians. And Tiller will have to face how he treated “the least of these.”
I will pray for Tiller. Of course, my prayer will be something like:
…may the tears and cries of the thousands of babies you aborted ring in your ears for all eternity.
Yep, not very “christian” of me but it is people like Tiller that made me give up that moniker years ago.
Good call Peddler.
Speaking of abortionists that see the light(which Tiller didn’t)does anyone remember Bernard Nathanson?
Dr. Nathanson help found NARAL and was so “good at his job that he even aborted one of his own children!!
Well…Nathanson was responsible for the “Silent Scream” video and since the late 1970’s has been an OUTSPOKEN pro-life activist! His pro-life views also cause him to convert from Judaism to Catholicism a few years back.
I wonder if that kind of transformation could have happened to tiller.
Today we had two military recruiters shot by a gunman carrying a rifle. One has died (murdered), & the other was seriously wounded.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html
Please write your Senators & demand that U.S. A.G. Eric Holder appoint a U.S. Marshall to gaurd every recruiter station in the United States, since he’s dispatched them to protect Abortion Doctors.
I will be contacting my Senators today.
My condolences for the Tiller family. I’m sorry he was murdered by someone who took the law into their own hands, but butchering babies is a dangerous business to be in. Murder evokes strong emotions in people, & always has consequences.
That is one of the tragedies of this whole episode. He wasn’t given the chance to repent. No one has the right to take the law into his own hands. This will not help our cause one bit and only lables all of us as extremists. I pray for the Tiller family and for Tiller’s soul, although I suspect he is past any help and it is now in God’s hands. May He show mercy, unlike the “no mercy” policy of Dr. Tiller. For those of you on the left who read these comments, I just want you to understand, WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT! Just as we are not like McVeigh. These are pariahs of society, perversions and the insane. We absolutely abhor what that creep did.
An abortion is a homicide by definition:
, made “justifiable” only by an arbitrary legal definition of life, which was more political compromise than scientific or even common sense.
If the legal system arbitrarily decides that mathematicians are not human, and thus expendable (say for organ transplants) or can be killed out of someone else’s convenience, would you agree?
Dan,
Your email is chilling and appropriate.
As has been pointed out time and again, there are a lot of people who are afraid that this whole thing is coming unglued.
These are shots heard around the world. The murder of a military recruiter and the murder of an abortion doctor. It has begun. “Gird those loins”, folks.
WOO-HOO!! *Horn blowing*
C-O-N-G-R-A-T-U-L-A-T-I-O-N-S
And sonofdy, I’m glad to hear you have both little ones safe at home!
Careful. “Abortion” is also used as a medical term to describe a miscarriage. A woman who suffers a spontaneous abortion will not appreciate the association with homicide.
Correct.
“Termination” of preganancy is the usual term for what the public typically refers to as abortion.
Abortion of any life is wrong, be it an embryonic baby,
late-term unborn baby,
just born baby dumped into a trash bin, OR
a 62 YEAR LATE MAN.
In trying to understand why a Christian church would appeal to Dr. Tiller and why the church would accept a practicing late-term abortionist, I took a look at the beliefs of the Reformation Lutheran Church. These two items stuck out a little:
So God has “destroyed sin’s power over them” but they “continue to sin, in actuality,” until death. But why would they continue to sin if sin’s power over them has been destroyed? It sounds more like an excuse to sin because you have a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. Having repented in advance, you are now free to sin without the need for futher repentance on your part. I can see why that would appeal to someone like George Tiller.
Also, if every human is “free from interference by any ecclesiastical” authority, it sounds like you can do whatever you like in your private life. The church isn’t going to interfere. I guess that goes for abortionists, too.
CONGRATULATIONS!! That is a very legitimate reason to threadjack. As a proud grandmother of 3 boys, I can tell you, little boys ROCK! Now, try to get some sleep!!
Note: I do not condone murder unless approved by the court by either electric chair or lethal injection…
That said:
Why are the pro-abortion cheerleaders so upset? What’s the difference between taking a life at 5 months old or 50 years old to them? They should just classify this as a “late-term abortion”. Dr. Tiller was aborted, and I am saying to that: Good Riddance.
I do not condone his murder, but at least he is gone and he can’t kill any more babies.
/OUT.
Oh!! And “Isn’t it Ironic- Don’t cha think?” …
No, it’s not. That’s domestic violence, and it has nothing to do with the debate over the legality of abortion (which still happens, whether or not it’s legal). If a man is capable of killing a woman because she is carrying his baby, criminalizing abortion certainly won’t stop him.
LGM says in post #11 that many frequent posters here have supported the killing. In #11?? That leaves only 1-10 to support it which is easy to read and see that none did. Another example of liberal lunacy.
They want something to be true so badly to justify their ignorant existence that they make it up, and blab it out loud and thus it becomes their reality. It’s a real sickness and he needs some medical help. I pity you LGM. Please get some help for your own good.
Good riddance.
Congratulations, zeroangel!
Because it’s more than just criminalizing abortion. It’s about shifting hearts and minds on the issue.
Abortion has done nothing to protect or promote women’s rights or safety – in fact, it contributes to the problem of domestic abuse because these men know there’s a legal out and if the women don’t take it (you know, they CHOOSE not to have an abortion), the men abuse and/or kill them.
All abortion has done is make women victims of men who use them for sex and throw away the women and children when they become inconvenient. Most 64% of women report being forced or coerced into abortion, usually by the father.
The evils carried out under the guise of “choice” should give rational people pause, especially when they happen every single day in this nation.
And I wholeheartedly believe the rise in homicides, child abuse, and a general disregard for fellow man in today’s world has a direct link to abortion. If we’re going to say it’s okay for us to define a human being based on our own individual beliefs and feelings, then expect people to act accordingly and not confine a disregard for life to the unborn.
I lost a baby in my fourth month, many years ago. They called it a “missed abortion” for some reason. The fetus died and I had to have a D and C. The hospital clergyman came to visit and told me he passed no judgement on me for having an abortion! I set him straight!! If you are a minister in a hospital, better brush up on your medical terminology. It bothers me to this day that my medical records probably has that term in it. I have two daughters. That was a son.
lgm…afeerd?
I found this link for the etymology of “abortion”.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=abortive
Abortion is the medical term for a miscarriage because…it is – is as much as I can determine.
As I said above, the medical term “abortion” is typically used to refer to missed abortions (unsuccessful pregnancies – miscarriages – that degenerate early and go unnoticed for a while); and to spontaneous (unintentional, undesired) abortions – miscarriages.
The clergyman you refer to was out of the ballpark, never mind in left field, when he used the term abortion in speaking to a layperson (no matter how educated) about a miscarriage.
About the worst choice of words that one could use at such a time.
And don’t worry about the term abortion being in your medical record.
Folks who have legitimate business reviewing medical records know the difference between “abortion” and “termination”.
BTW, HS, my wife and I had two miscarriages going on 30 years ago.
We have three kids, one of whom has brought us two grandkids, with a third on the way!
Can’t wait for the sibs to do likewise!!
Perfect summation. Sadly, it looks as if other denominations will fall in line to this type of “freedom”.
Congratulations! Grandchildren are the most precious gifts God can give us “oldsters”! Our two daughters have produced three grandsons, including a 4-week-old. Life is good.
Right wing extremists 4, lifturd extremists about 45 million murdered children and counting.
Yep, watch out for those right wing extremists.
melinda said:
Not all killing is murder, as those who oppose capital punishment would have you believe. Killing in self-defense is not murder. Capital punishment approved by a court that follows due process is not murder. It is an execution carried out because of society’s right to self-defense against dangerous criminals who have declared war on society and its laws.
When lawful courts imprison individuals against their will, it is not “kidnapping”. When lawful courts force people to pay fines, it is not “stealing” nor is it “extortion”. And when courts impose capital punishment, it is not “murder”. The difference is “due process”.
George Tiller, even if he was a “baby killer”, did not receive due process. His killer is a vigilante and his death was a murder not an execution. I wanted him stopped and I wanted him punished, but only if it could be done legally through due process.
Papa Louie. I agree. I do not condone this murder nor do I condone the hundreds of murders that this Tiller man had performed.
The problem is that no DA charged him with murder as one did with Kivorkian?
This doctor stuck steel implements in the skulls of babies, and sucked the life out of them, literally. He did this obscenely late into the pregnancy. His procedures were so ghastly that only a handfull of Doctors that perform abortions did the same procedure at such a late stage of the pregnancy.
I consider myself a moral person, and I do not condone vigilantism or murder. Anarchy is ugly. Tiller’s killer should be tried and punished severely. But honestly, I feel the way I did when I heard that Jeff Dahmer was killed in prison…it was 100% morally wrong, but I didn’t wring my hands, or lose a lot of sleep over it.
I am as disgusted, shocked, and saddened by this murder as by any other murder, including those Tiller inflicted on helpless babies as they were coming into the world.
Last night, I saw a candlelight vigil on TV for this man, and couldn’t help but ask myself, Where were all these vigil-goers when Tiller was killing all those babies?