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1. #101
   On June 4th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, chapoutier said:

   It is Scipio, the guy who defeated hannibal.

   That was the first person I looked at. I looked at a bunch of quotes by him and found none that were close.

   Can you link something?

2. #102
   On June 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, melinda said:

   It was released today on the front page of my local paper that Mr. Long, who was murdered, was a recent graduate of basic training at Fort Benning GA. That means he lived in my city. (Columbus GA). If I had been outraged before- I’m downright furious now! And pacifist B.Hussein Obama could not care less. In the wake of a Muslim attack on Americans, he is still interested on “just being friends.” with the Muslims! Here’s a newsflash OBAMA- They’re JUST NOT THAT IN TO YOU!

3. #103
   On June 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, Chief RZ said:

   I certainly hope that the Department of Defense awards him the Purple Heart Posthumously.

4. #104
   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, bear1909 said:

   As with many attributed quotes from the ancients, there are intermediaries as interpreters of history. Cicero was one such man.

   Happy Hunting!

5. #105
   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   “He can’t piss of the muzzlums…”

   True but also what he “can’t” do is anything that makes his m.o. for national security look to be failing as opposed to President Bush’s succeeding. That reality will warp any coverage and framing of any attack within our borders.

   “IS a legitimate military target…”

   Huh? Are you serious? By whom and in what context? This was an American young man, not the member of a foreign army with whom we have a declared war?

   That is also why Obama’s statement is more insulting than anything else. He made a bit deal out of the abortionist murder and that is NOT how Americans are suppose to handle disagreements. Well, ok. I agree. Murder is not acceptable. The shooter at the recruiter station IS an American too!

   I guess murder is okay IF the disagreement is between a Muslim and everyone else?

   Very goofy. Very goofy.

6. #106
   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   “Cicero was one such man.”

   I thought that was an opera?

7. #107
   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:54 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

   Not very many in the international community take Obama as seriously as he does himself. What? Don’t believe me? See for yourself….

8. #108
   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

   Forgot to add”
   Hat tip to nbleou.

9. #109
   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

   On June 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, bear1909 said:

   As with many attributed quotes from the ancients, there are intermediaries as interpreters of history. Cicero was one such man.

   Re: Cicero, bear, did you ever read Taylor Caldwell’s A Pillar of Iron? Not pure history, but a wonderful (and well researched) telling of Cicero’s life story that introduced me to him when I was in junior high.

10. #110
    On June 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm, Laree said:

    Truly this Administration has a 9/10 mentality this isn’t the time for any more Politically Correct behavior the enemy doesn’t RESPECT the verbage anyway – they see it as Weakness.

    The Progressives might have went back to sleep, and back to business as usual after 9/11, the rest of the country hasn’t. When is the House of Obama going to figure that one out? Before the next terror attack on American Soil?

11. #111
    On June 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, Laree said:

    On June 4th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:
    Re: Cicero, bear, did you ever read Taylor Caldwell’s A Pillar of Iron? Not pure history, but a wonderful (and well researched) telling of Cicero’s life story that introduced me to him when I was in junior high.

    I did it’s a wonderful book.

    Cicero would be busy at work right now

12. #112
    On June 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.
    Scipio Africanus

    He was certainly no mathametician…

13. #113
    On June 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    So I still haven’t found this elusive quote, but it did afford me an opportunity to read Scipio’s Dream, by Cicero, which hit on some themes similar to the quote.

    So in any case I am smarter for it.

14. #114
    On June 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Chap,

    You might enjoy this read then. Just some fun stuff.

15. #115
    On June 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, dadinseattle said:

    Imagine you are an oppressed individual living in Cuba, Venezuela, or Iran for example.

    Or a citizen of Israel?

    “Just words, just speeches”

    Obamas words and actions are being cheered by the ‘enemies’ of liberty and freedom, while dashing hopes for those that seek those values.

    A friend asked that we invite victims of the oppressive regimes (who escaped here), the same regimes that Obama now courts, to our 4th of July events to speak the truth about those whom he is trying to please.

    read Tyrants Agree

    Meanwhile his statement differences shown above should tell anyone everything they need to know about his attitudes-

    Outrage and shock is reserved for assaults against socialism’s leftists and their figureheads, while a victim in the role of a traditional American only evokes a response days later, and is only done than, reluctantly!

16. #116
    On June 4th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, chilloutyo said:

    On the possible Scipio quote, all I could find is this.

17. #117
    On June 4th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, bear1909 said:

    Taylor Caldwell fans UNITE!!!!

    How y’all doin?!?!??! LOL

18. #118
    On June 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pm, Melvin_Udall said:

    FNC Special Report’s online broadcast from last night is well worth the watch on this topic.

    Major Garret comes on to discuss the White House handling of it. The White House prepared a comment to be released about the attack for “those who requested comment.” He goes on in the discussion to explain the White House explained this was available upon request instead of just releasing it because the press didn’t seem interested.

    After all, it can’t be Obama’s fault. Garett was clearly squirming, knowing how awful what he was saying sounded. Well worth the watch, as is Juan Willimas’ telling defense and Bret Baier’s reactions during the conversation.

19. #119
    On June 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm, jangar said:

    On June 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.
    Scipio Africanus
    He was certainly no mathametician…

    Muslim algebra scholar?

20. #120
    On June 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pm, jangar said:

    Did White House order FBI to “back off” anti-terror investigations of radicalized Muslim converts?

    “Yo, don’t hassle the homies, bro!”

21. #121
    On June 5th, 2009 at 3:27 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    However profound our differences as Americans …. they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.

    Let’s get King George III’s opinion on this.

22. #122
    On June 5th, 2009 at 6:00 am, mz.josephine said:

    Obama is not capable of being outraged by a Muslim who murdered a soldier, and with intentions of murdering more.

    Obama’s heart belongs to his fellow Muslims.

    Didn’t Obama say that when things got ugly, he will side with the Muslims?

    There are no words to describe this American-hating American (or Kenyan? or Indonesian?) president.

23. #123
    On June 5th, 2009 at 7:58 am, jangar said:

    For anyone who might be interested, this is the local spin from yesterday:

    Little Rock – The lawyer for a Muslim convert accused of killing a soldier outside a Little Rock recruiting center says the man was “tortured” and “radicalized” in a Yemeni prison.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, lawyer Jim Hensley also said that Abdulhakim Muhammad did not tell police that there would have been more bloodshed in Monday’s attack had more soldiers been outside the recruiting station.

    Muhammad has pleaded not guilty to a capital murder charge in the death of Pvt. William Long of Conway. Another soldier was wounded in the attack. Little Rock police said Muhammad told officers he could have killed more.

    The lawyer says Muhammad went to Yemen to teach English to Afghani war refugees but was detained because of problems with his visa. In prison, according to the lawyer, “hardened terrorists” abused him.

    Just another victim.

24. #124
    On June 5th, 2009 at 8:54 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    So being abused and tortured in prison caused him to want to join up with those who did the abusing and torturing?

    Gee, so much unrealized recruiting potential right under our noses! Don’t tell me … the prisoners in the Abu Graib pictures, they all up and joined the marines!

    /sarc

25. #125
    On June 5th, 2009 at 9:04 am, bear1909 said:

    Is this case going to be prosecuted in civilian courts? Does anyone have the scoop on this?

26. #126
    On June 5th, 2009 at 9:11 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Little Rock – The lawyer for a Muslim convert accused of killing a soldier outside a Little Rock recruiting center says the man was “tortured” and “radicalized” in a Yemeni prison.

    Boo Hoo. Though it’s likely a lie.

    Has the MSM called this a hate crime yet? No? What’s the hold up?

    Thanks for the info Jangar.

27. #127
    On June 5th, 2009 at 9:42 am, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On June 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.
    Scipio Africanus

    He was certainly no mathametician…

    On June 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm, jangar said:

    Muslim algebra scholar?

    Late returning to this topic (had to get some sleep after a very long couple of days), but your comments have enticed me into making a [somewhat philosophical] observation.

    If you look at those words attributed to Scipio (never mind that the numbers don’t actually add up – like those who say they gave 110 % ) in the context of the beliefs that were prevalent in his lifetime, stoicism and the idea seen in so much of Greek and Roman mythology that no matter what a person did, the gods could and too often did intervene to nullify those choices, his words make sense. They could be interpreted as a rejection of fatalism and an embrace of the concept of free will – not to mention personal responsibility.

    The reason I bother to posit this idea is that it also applies to our faux-potus and most particularly to Pvt. Long’s murderer. No matter the perceived (or imagined) wrongs he claims inspired him to murder one soldier and seriously wound another, when he stands before the ultimate Judge, it is Scipio’s 96% that will be weighting the scale.

    As the apostle Paul wrote (rough paraphrase), In your anger, do not sin. Note that he didn’t say that anger wasn’t justified when we are wronged, but how we react to it can be.

    /musings

28. #128
    On June 5th, 2009 at 9:47 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can’t.

29. #129
    On June 7th, 2009 at 3:45 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    There are 10 kinds of people: those that understand binary and those that don’t.

30. #130
    On June 7th, 2009 at 3:53 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    I think Abortionists need to reach out to assassins, to try to understand where they’re coming from and embrace their differences. Abortionists need to take the lead in forgiving assassins, to stop cowering in fear and beg forgiveness from snipers and homicidal maniacs.

    What the hell – this is how Obama tells us to treat and deal with bloodthirsty enthusiastic Muslim terrorists evangelicals, maybe he should give the same advice to abortionists.