“Liberal sexist pigs”
Ashley Herzog calls it like she sees it.
Ashley speaks from experience.
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So RSS when you are hate f***ing your ex-girlfriend or some conservative woman you despise, is it with her consent? Does she get any pleasure out of your hate sex? Do you have be a gentleman and be romantic before hate sex or do you just club her over the head before you drag her off to your cave and rip her clothes off?
And liberals claim that conservatives are misogynist knuckle-draggers. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
By “unattractive”, I mean possessing one or more traits that are, in a word, unattractive.
One needs not possess our hostess’s beauty to be disqualified from the unattractive category. Furthermore, there are some serious eye-candy types out there (my own nutty cousin included) who possess some seriously unattractive traits.
If you are an employer, for example, who finds that one woman has the traits that you find (for your business) attractive, and another, who is an extremely bad fit, the feminists would often insist you hire the one that is not the better one for your business … especially in cases where the best fit for a particular job may have been a man.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
rightwingrocker:
That clarifies things.
He has no concept, because like most liberals, he has no soul.
HAHAAhAhahaahhaaa!! Forgive me, emjem, but they don’t believe in anything remotely like a soul. It’s so much easier to rape and abort and live for now, dude! Save the seals and chain yerself to a giant Redwood ’cause it’s all we got! There is no soul in the leftist world.
TRE#12 – Couldn’t have said it any better my self – thanks.
Democrats really are the party of hate.
The left really is digging thier own grave. If it comes to that, “hatesex” will be common in the liberal side of the civil war. Alot of rapists excuse their actions by saying, well she really wanted it anyway. Or she enjoyed it.
Or their scumbag defense lawyers.
I will also clarify this:
I will grant RSS the “hate-f%^&” position he takes in situations when those engaging in it are of similar mindset. If, for example, RSS and his ex-girlfriend want to have angry hate sex, and they BOTH consent to the act on that basis, then we have no right to be critical of their decision, provided they are willing to take responsibility for any consequences.
On the other side of that same coin, however, if one partner or the other were deceptive in the act, that is to say pretended that their motivations were different, then that WOULD be rape. I think RSS may agree, however.
I also believe that many Americans, particularly a large portion of our own side of the aisle, are hypersensitive when it comes to sex. Many of us need to lighten up. We’re not living in Calvinist Plymouth Colony, folks.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Ashley nails it. From my standpoint, these male leftists/libs/dems have always been sexist pigs—going back to the 60′s movements. Women left the pigs’ orgs in big numbers and started various groups (both left and right)on their own. Unfortunately, many of the women who are the heads of these current leftist women’s orgs are afraid to honestly speak out (hillary, muslim women’s issues) for fear of jeopardizing what the pigs will throw their way, might take away or they just drank the kool-aid. Most are so filled with hate and bitterness that they can’t control or contain it. Liberals, especially women, are lost in some strange world…they are pathetic. Conservatives, male and female, live in the real world and treat each other with the respect we all deserve. My past support of liberal causes is nauseating and I have vowed to undo as much as possible over the next 25 years….my conservatism (began in ’97-solid in 2001) and wisdom are very pleasing.
F –former
L –liberal
O –on
A –a
M –mission
RWR: Americans do have alot of sexual hangups compared to the rest of the world. Or maybe thats just my view based on my history. I was not a good boy that way before I got married.
FLOAM,
Welcome to the real world. I can’t say I’ve ever been liberal, but didn’t identify myself as a conservative until 1994.
I can think of no feeling in the world more liberating than realizing the freedom that is true conservatism.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
And here we go. An opinion of someone who has proven time and time again how devoid he is of actual “real life experience.”
Lgm, have you ever read the works of Friedan or Steinam’s writings? I have. I took a couple of women’s history courses in college (when I fancied myself a liberal feminist) and frankly, they’re not that great.
Friedan and Steinam paint women as the “victims” and blame the male patriarchy as the ones pigeon holing women. This was also during the era of the ’50′s and ’60′s where many women were just tasting their potential. However, Friedan made it seem like if you were just a housewife, you’re not realizing your true “potential.” My mother-in-law received her education and worked before she married and would take umbrage to Friedan’s assertion that raising her 6 children was somehow not realizing her full “potential.”
Before you foam at the mouth about some perceived injustice, perhaps you should actually read Friedan. This woman coopted the women’s movement to such an extent that she changed it for the worse. I don’t think that Susan B. Anthony or Elizabeth Cady Stanton would appreciate that women’s rights somehow morphed from voting rights into the Soviet solution (Alexandra Kollontai)of being able to have job preference and the current ability to kill your baby. What you fail to recognize beyond your ignorant blathering is that there were many different interpretations of the same women’s movement, throughout the world, and they all didn’t share Friedan’s goals.
Please link to how John Roberts somehow “wronged” women. There’s context in there that you’re not providing that many of us would like to see. Not that you’ve ever really cared about that sort of thing unless it comes from Media Matters or one of your other left-wing websites.
Oh, and btw your assertion that liberals are trying to make America better? Does that include killing later-term babies? Government-imposed healthcare (oh, it’s just for the poor)? Taxing the wealthy and penalizing achievement? Okay… keep telling yourself that.
Then your assertion that conservatives are trying to keep it like it is is a false premise. This nation was founded on limited government, as other posters have pointed out on this blog. The country wasn’t founded on Big Government, socialism, or any such model. Recognizing where you come from, keeping you traditions alive, and making individual achievement and potential the rule not the exception vs. the interests of the collective is not shameful.
That you think that America needs to be “bettered” or “Europeanized” is very telling and sad. You’re ashamed of this country and that we’re not more like Europe.
I think that comparison goes a bit deeper, and I think it applies to Republicans in particular. I believe the true mindset of a free person includes many sexual freedoms that many on our side fail to recognize.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
As a young Catholic boy growing up, I can assure you that the best sex is repressed sex.
It’s so much more fun when it’s a sin.
My mother has always been very proud of her achievements as a parent.
Now she realizes her full potential as a grandparent – and is kicking tail at it!
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Aha! Good one! A woman never kisses and tells (except Paris Hilton and Britney Spears).
emjem24 said: Great post.When I was a lad in the 60′s us guys sought after the liberal gals for the backseat action.If there was some function to attend we all looked to the conservative types(the ones you would take home to meet mom) for dates.Nothing has changed much.
Hangup:
1. A psychological or emotional difficulty or inhibition.
2. An obstacle to smooth progress or development.
So that you do not end up sounding like lgm, who makes statements without supporting documentation (i.e., throws bombs), could you please explain or offer documentation?
As one who grew up in that very repression, I must say I do agree.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Hangfire said (#88):
That pedestal was a cage on top of a pillar — the takeaway from Betty Friedan’s Feminine Mystique.
rss, you are one sick individual, no need to stop drinking the kool aid, damage done is irreversible…too bad…you fool… wait you are lib, never mind.
Its not just conservatives. Trust me. It seems to me that the more orgys you attend, the less you are hung up on sex and quite frankly the more loyal you become when you do marry. Unless you are simply a hedonist, then you should just never marry.
Don’t need documentation. I stated an opinion. You can agree or not agree, but I do think that if we are going to be champions of freeom, then that should include a pretty serious measure of sexual freedom at a minimum, lest we become the hypocrites we rightly call our opponents.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Wow, you’re on a roll today! Keep on keeping on.
Many hedonists do marry, and in marrying other hedonists, they bring happiness to themselves and their spouses.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Fair enough…let me rephrase:
Reasons for your opinion?
Simple.
There is no harm in people having and acting upon their sexual desires as they wish, as long as they do not violate the God-given rights of others.
A Libertarian perspective, to be sure, but I do believe a correct one.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
No, no, RSS and lgm are not totally useless, they can always be used as a bad example.
j/k really, I enjoy their posts as much as the next guy. Not necessarily the content, but the rebuttals are always entertaining and many times even enlightening. The yin and yang as it were.
Yes. But that’s not what the Playboy thing was about. “Hate sex” is like a Seth Rogen-type humorous way of referring to consensual sex with someone you have some animosity towards.
Don’t worry. Married six years, three kids, nothing to see here.
Bull Sh!t
With your attitude towards rape and women, I pity them.
What is this thing called hate sex? I do not understand. I was always told that there were only two kinds of sex. Good sex and bad sex. And even bad sex is still pretty good!
The other type is called rape.
You must be one of the lucky ones never to have experienced truly bad sex.
It does happen, my friend. Sad to say it, but it does happen.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I believe I’ll just leave you up there, twisting in the wind like so much dirty laundry. It’s rare we see someone lynch themselves.
ECS
Speaking for many men, but not all, sex is like pizza. There’s no such thing as bad pizza.
Welcome to the conservative sisterhood, floam! My moderate, military husband thinks that I never was a liberal but I have some recollections of not so proud moments of defending things like abortion and bashing the military. I wish I could go back and save my parents the heartache I created when I played the charming, liberal devil’s advocate. I cringe when I think about it.
That’s why getting older does lend one more experience to evolve and get better (sorry, lgm). Yet, I, at one time, thought that Planned Parenthood was the be all and end all for women. I never monetarily gave them anything outside what I paid for in their services but I recognized when I used their services that it takes an especially vulnerable and desperate young woman to go to them. If parents don’t think their daughters aren’t aware of Planned Parenthood or using their services (such as getting birth control) then they’re only deluding themselves.
To balance out all that self-recrimination, I like to recall the Reagan I knew as a child in the ’80′s who inspired me with his magnificent kindness, humour, and speeches. Then, I think it is possible to change and become wiser with time.
Welcome.
I’d say Toby Keith represents my opinion pretty well, as far as I can tell.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
You must have never had Domino’s or Papa John’s … YUCK!
Frankly, some of the worst pizza I ever had was made right before my eyes when I was on a concert tour in Europe in my late teens – in, of all places, ITALY.
I’ll take New York pizza over any other – any day.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
To my mind, there is sex and there is making love. The latter is a quantum leap a finer, more human, even spiritual expression.
After my days in the late Sixties as a double-bass drummer, I decided sex was not something I was interested in any longer. I was a typical selfish puke of the period, and realized I had no business gendering with a lady I did not love.
With that I would agree, except that making love is an elevated form of sex that includes deep emotions and feelings that other forms of sex do not (that “quantum leap” that you refer to). Making love is sex, but sex is not necessarily making love.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
you mean like hillary and joe biden talking about Indians? or KKK BYRD??? pr Cruz Bustamante?
and La RAZA (the race) IS a racist organization…truth hurts.
do you see Gandhi at your gas station too??
Paging DR Ruth…
{SIGH}
Coming up on my 30th Anniversary this week.
After 30 years, making love is great. I put it right up there with Tetris.
” ‘Ello, dis iz Doktor Wuth Vestheimer, you are ahn ze air….”
That you make excuses for “hate sex” using a not so great commedian like Rogen really is quite sad. “Hate sex” is like rape with a more trendy application. I think it sad that someone who is married would have such belief systems toward women.
I’ve met many married men both at work and friends of my husband’s and they were not only respectful toward women but never said anything untoward about them. These were all men of different backgrounds and political beliefs.
For you to have such beliefs about “hate sex” indicates that you either have indulged in it yourself and find nothing objectionable about it, have unrealized sexual fantasies or have some kind of sexual repression. Not that I care. Because, frankly, I think you’ve creeped me and others out for one day.
Anybody who says what you’ve said about “hate sex” either has issues in their “real life” or is lying to themselves.
Wouldn’t “hate sex” imply a deep level of self-loathing, and “other”-loathing?
How are these people different than dogs?
The upright walking thing…
Ummm, no… I really do not buy that analogy. There is satisfying sex, and unsatisfying sex. You can tell the difference (and I’m really trying not to gross out people).
Over the years, I’ve heard some stories from guys (and women) who’ve had differing experiences regarding sex and it’s about the quality not the quantity. Some people are just not good in the sack or not good matches in the sack.
Speaking of pizza, there is really bad pizza and it’s called Pizza Hut. There is just no excuse for all the cheese they put on their pizza. It would make somebody who’s lactose intolerant run in the opposite direction. Yuck.
I’m sorry, but sex isn’t pizza and pizza isn’t sex. Sex is in its own category. Don’t get me started on chocolate.
/sorry for any induced discomfort brought on by this conversation
I can’t figure out why RSS is being slammed as he is for simply pointing out that there are many reasons and motivations for people to choose a particular sex partner on a particular occasion. The one thing he has said that actually has some merit is being treated as if he had said suggested that the government pay for all of us to go to the nearest street hooker every night for the next month.
I actually had to laugh when the commenter who seemed to advocate the most sexual repression accused RSS of having “some kind of sexual repression”.
Not to say that I will be coming to his defense on other matters, but for simply pointing out that people can engage in “hate sex” without engaging in rape, which is absolutely true, RSS has been maligned, in my view, unfairly in this case.
Again, folks, lighten up.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
At the core of their being, the Left treats women like Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, etc. in the manner that they do because they feel threatened.
They cannot cope so they lash out.
Really? Because then not only was it tasteless, it was poorly presented because a significant number of people (rightly) interpreted “hate sex” as rape.
I would agree if the article in question were talking about that. It was talking about a list of women who needed to be treated that way without thier consent. Thats rape.
An interesting take, and I believe a correct one.
It must be killing them trying to convince people that they represent the interests of women when the most attractive women agree with very little of what they represent.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I agree with you, however, I don’t i didn’t glean that RSS was talking about the article as much as he was the concept of “hate sex”. Perhaps he will come around and clarify.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
geez … I’m the typo man today …
Can you point out in the article where you got this idea?
Just because someone would in reality never consent does not mean the fantasy of it is rape.
I stand corrected.
This position is closer to my opinion. To physically act upon such fantasy is rape, but the thought is not.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
soooo, it’s okay to fantasize about rape, but never to act upon it?
How deep do you want to go? What, exactly, is so wrong with suggesting that somebody may have a “sexual repression?” It happens to people of all different walks of life and manifests itself in all different kinds of ways. What suggests that I advocate “sexual repression?” If anything, many of my comments suggest something completely different from your assertion.
Married and single people repress things all the time. Some have unfulfilled fantasies that are given life in weird, unique ways. I don’t think it’s a stretch to suggest somebody may be “sexually repressed” given that their comment of “married for 6 years, 3 kids, nothing to see” can suggest a wide variety of things.
How has RSS been maligned? RSS has a history of making unsubstantiated, biased comments (just like lgm) and he is only reconfirming that. I think it speaks to a mind full of anger, hate, twisted fantasies, what have you to support “hate sex” as something wholly healthy when it really is just an act of agression on either partner’s part.
I’m willing to go out on a limb but not this far and not with my history. It’s like suggesting that date rape is nothing more than “hate sex” which is something I saw first hand is not the case.
Having “hate sex” doesn’t suggest that people have a psychologically or sexually healthy lifestyle. It’s just another kinky perversion attached to sex to give the people involved some kind of power or control they otherwise wouldn’t find in their regular lives.
Hey, don’t believe me… take a look at what the world of psychology has to say about the subject. Not that I think that psychology is even a “real science.”
There are many people who do just that, without ever causing harm to anyone. As far as anyone knows, you could easily be one of those people.
I don’t have any rape fantasies of my own, but I’m not going to pass judgment on someone who does. People the world over fantasize about being raped too. Are you going to pass judgment on them as well?
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
This discussion is kind of revealing…
The root of the thread is about the bigotry expressed against women who think, and think conservative thoughts.
That bigotry has recently been expressed in the vilest possible terms, from the freakish Perez Hilton using terms that only a liberal could use without fire and brimstone raining down on them, to a list of women against whom the author would like to commit an act of violent, hateful domination and subjugation.
That isn’t about sex. It is about using sex as a weapon.
One thing I found interesting is the reference to Ms. Prejean holding the selfsame views on marriage as THE ONE and other liberal men. I kept thinking, “But that is because so many liberals know those expressed positions by the politicians are lies, deployed to fool the public about their true views”. It is a given that liberal are allowed to lie, and other liberals will suborn the lies.
Your comment serves as more than adequate evidence of its own folly.
You definitely need to lighten up.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
That wasn’t really my point. As I have always understood the term, you fantasize about having sex with someone, but then using the experience to degrade the person, either by engaging in real kink and/or treating them like crap to show 1) your disdain for them and 2) make them fell like a mere object. Disgusting, infantile and indefensible to be sure, and I think what Rags said wrt using sex as a weapon is spot on, but this does not make the fantasy about rape. it makes it about being a total a$$ after, and maybe during, the act.
Anyway, this article has gotten way too much attention from both MM and us posters. I am not going to waste too much breath defending something so inane.
As Onslow would say; ‘Aw NICE.’
I can and will pass judgement on those who would chip away at manners, gentility, civilized behavior. The list is a disgusting, vile attempt to put down a segment of the population for the worst reasons in the world: jealousy, disdain, fear.
Both RSS and you miss the whole point of this post by Michelle. RSS dismissed the hatefulness of the Playboy article because he was called on by a commentator. Because he’s a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, he diverted the premise of the thread from it’s original purpose to a ‘shrug of the shoulders’, no big deal, explanation that hate-sex is something ex’s often indulge in. You, RWR, fell into the trap of defending him, as though it was a conversation about consensual hate-sex. It was not. A better question for RSS would be: If your wife or mother or daughter or sister was one of the featured women on the Playboy hatef@*k list, would you be so blase then? No he would not, and he was being intellectually dishonest with his flippant answer, because he knew he could not defend it.
Indeed it has.
Annoying speech is still a right granted by God. We do not have a right not to be offended, though we do have the same right to express our opinion on the matter as he who first spoke.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Thanks for that take. It bears some thinking about. To even think what has been thought about in the Playboy article and what Herzog discusses indicates that, in some ways, sex can be used as a weapon for a multitude of reasons. To denigrate. To humiliate. To subjugate. To empower. To satisfy. To feel intimacy. Or to indulge in “fantasies” that are otherwise suppressed.
What are you basing this on? Had you even heard the term before last week?
For the record, I think that Playboy thing was juvenile, stupid and inappropriate in any setting. But to say the guy said “hatef*ck” those women to mean he wanted to rape them is just ignorant.
I think your deliberate ignorance of the implications of both the Playboy article and RSS’s post also invites its own folly.
Your attutude that “hate sex” is just some harmeless fun is naive. It’s okay because people are playing out their agression/hate/whatever in some harmless manner. Even if there’s a huge ick factor and it makes sex even more meaningless than it already is to our society. It’s just a biological function and nothing more. I think that even psychologists would disagree with you.
The deeper implications that you’re missing is that the “sex as weapon” is not only informing a political ideology but popular culture. I find that a bit disturbing.
You definitely need to get a reality check…. and stop hyperlinking yourself so much.
Personally, I am not going to have a rape fantasy who can shoot a moose in the head at 200 meters.
Palin 2012
Which is, again, to minimize the FACT that rape is used as a weapon both in the world and throughout history. It excuses the whole thrust of the article, which was to pull the women mentioned down to the level of vilest objectification…and why? Because of their views, and their effectiveness in expressing them in a world where INTOLERANCE is the watchword. THOUGHT POLICING in fact.
I guess I am grateful none of these ladies were related to me, because I would be hunting the little puke.
flmom,
Whatever RSS’s motivations for saying what he said about hate sex, he was right. Are you that closed-minded about such matters that you will not grant a liberal a correct statement from time to time? Are you really that intent on RSS being wrong about everything that you would fail to actually pay attention to what he said before firing your shot across the bow? RSS’s comments were, in fact about consentual hate sex, whether you like it or not. His motivations for moving the discussion in that direction may be unclear, but he did point the discussion in a direction that Americans have needed to go for a long time and have consciously (in my opinion) avoided.
I didn’t fall into any “trap”. I simply defended something that he said that was right.
I don’t think I’ve been in the least bit blase.
Playboy and its writers, however wrong they may be, have the right to publish this stuff, however repulsive you or I may find it.
Would you wish those on their side of the issue to silence you when you chose to make such a strong statement? No. You wouldn’t. Perhaps you’ve never been confronted with a hateful liberal as I have at the RWRepublic. I’m not talking about lgm or RSS. I’m talking about the ones who leave comments at my blog about how they’re going to take over my country and f#$% my daughter in front of me.
At my blog, I can delete such comments because I own the blog and I have that right, but these people have blogs and forums of their own, and they have the MSM on their side.
With all this being true, I am still willing to respect people’s free speech rights and defend an opponent when he says something that happens to be right.
That has nothing to do with my children or significant other.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
As opposed to the “conservative” sexist pigs, including the Draft Palin 2012 webmaster, who wished me cancer and wrote things about vibrators. Stop the hypocrisy here. If you can’t be consistent when it comes to Palin fanatics, you’re simply a hypocrite. The Palins and their supporters have no monopoly on class or even a tiny iota of it.
I am completely based in reality.
I think we will have to agree to disagree emjem. My point is that peoples sexual motivations aren’t anyone’s business but their own, and that you and I need to butt out. I am defending those who go about living out whatever fantasies they choose to live out in a consentual manner, because it it right to do so. I believe that to also have been RSS’s point.
That’s the whole point of freedom. Unless it interferes with your God-given rights, you need to butt out, and so do I.
That’s reality, whether you like it or not.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Oh fer pete’s sake.
Nobody said they did, and I certainly deplore and repudiate the idiot who wrote those things. Nobody…no ideology…is immune to the sanctions of decent people.
No it is exactly what was meant by the article. I am sorry if you are too stupid to see that.
Let me ask, have you ever posted a comment on this site that wasn’t about you?
RWR;
The blase comment was not directed at you. As for being close-minded, if being disgusted that a publication can openly denigrate women the way Playboy has in this article, means being ‘close-minded’ then I stand proud of that charge.
Huh?
That’s not what I was getting at.
What I was calling closed-minded was what seemed to be an unreasonable position with regard to sexual practices that differ from your own.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I agree with the fact that people’s sexual motivations are none of our business, but that is presupposing those motivations are privately held, in this instance that is far from the case.
I’m basing this on the way that “hate sex” is now being used in relation to both popular culture and politics. I’ve heard the term before and never thought anybody who wasn’t certifiable would give it credence or act on it.
Your approach to saying something then clarifying it after the fact is beyond lazy. That’s why every time you do it, it reconfirms the prevailing attitude you invite.
I think, to many liberals like the Playboy author, sex is cheap and meaningless. It now, in his mind, can be used as a weapon. As a woman, I see the threat in his words based on my own personal history. It is so easy for many to dismiss this article as some piece of page-filling sleaze and call those who see that the author really didn’t seek to dilineate between “hate sex” and rape as ignorant (yes, I read the article).
For any human being, I don’t care who you are, to suggest using the term “hatef*ck” as some sort of elevated dialogue against their philsophical opponents when it deliberately devalues their target (Michelle and other conservative women) is beyond shameful. The article was written with not only malice but vulgar irresponsibility that doesn’t prize anything other than indulging one’s sick fantasies with perverted glee.
That’s what you don’t get. You don’t have a problem with what this author did because you don’t think he meant anything by it. You are cavalierly assuming that there is innocence behind the author’s intent. Words do have meaning and as a writer myself I know that more than anybody.
I disagree. That’s like telling people they should keep their opinions and view to themselves. We aren’t a bunch of 6 year-olds here.
Where would we all be if that got applied universally?
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
No, the writer’s comment was ignorant, not others interpretations of it. It clearly was meant to foster support from many on the left who suffer from low self esteem. The magazine is prurient in nature, and caters to the inferior reproducers running rampant on the left…apparently many of them. That’s the only reason Playboy Magazine is still in business.
I won’t speak for RSS, but one can simultaneously think that the autor’s intent was degrading and disgusting and still not think he was advocating rape, which is very specific in its definition and has nothing to do with the motivations, morality or feelings between the actors and everything to do with the lack of consent. To open the definition up to other, ultimately irrelevant factors, puts you dangerously close to Dworkin.
Well said in #185. I can only think that RSS and RWR are not very in synch with how women think or feel.
FIFY, girlie man.
Honestly, when it comes to such things as people’s right to think as they wish, “how women think and feel” is irrelevant.
As to whether I am in synch with how women think and feel, there are a number of them who would disagree with you.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Well, Walter Raleigh you ain’t. That’s obvious.
Well you ain’t exactly, either, for your information.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
No, no…I’m not asking why you might have a libertarian perspective.
I’m wondering what your reasons are for feeling that (I know that one of the following was another poster’s; but, it sounds rather similar to your post):
and:
If you don’t want to state your reasons for your opinion that:
and for your opinion that:
then, fine.
Granite,
I am a musician. I am an IT technician. I’ve even been a schoolteacher. I’m not old, but I’m also no spring chicken.
My opinion comes from years of observation and seeing how people handle themselves in various situations. In a word, experience. I’ve performed for people in dingy bars and huge concert halls. I’ve interacted with them, and gotten to know people of all walks of life, including those who have been portrayed in a negative light in these comments. My own cousin is a pawn for the extreme Left – a true environmentalist nutjob if ever I met one.
In getting to know so many people from so many different backgrounds, you form some opinions. It’s inescapable with that kind of observation.
I have found that people with unusual sexual desires or fantasies aren’t deserving of the bad rap they often get. That comes from knowing them personally, not reading about the few evil ones that act against the rights of others in their practice of free sexuality. There are more of these people than you know about, largely because they do keep more or less to themselves – ironically, out of respect for the opinions of others. Your own neighbor could be one of them, or even a friend or relative.
I have met these people and have gotten to know them. There’s no malice in what they do, and until it infringes on someone else’s rights, I see no reason to stand in their way.
I hope that gives you enough information to understand where I’m coming from.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I think my comment went way over your head.
What you’ve allowed to slip by is that the term is used (at least among sexually and emotionally stunted people) when BOTH participants know and dislike each other.
That wasn’t the case with the Playboy list — nothing indicates that the author knows any of his would-be targets, and certainly nothing indicates that THEY would get off by “doing” him.
IOW the entire piece was a “liberal” masturbatory fantasy, and a vicious one at that.
If the eroding of one’s morals and respect for others is what lightening up means, we’re doing a bang-up job of it lately. The preservation of morals and respect should be encouraged. Those who reasonably provide a counterbalance to our hypersexualized society shouldn’t have to change their beliefs. We could use a bit more prudishness these days. I’m not necessarily a prude myself, but we’ve got to draw lines sometimes. We’ve already lightened up a lot in a short amount of time.
As far as the HF phrase is concerned, some define it as a humorous term regarding a consensual act. Some define it as vicious sex regardless of whether it’s consensual or not. It’s those who define it as the latter who should have been taken into consideration. A writer for Playboy should know better than to put those thoughts better left to himself out there for the world to read, and his editors are either irresponsible or supportive of his disdainful view of women—until people make a stink about it. To the married men or the guys who have girlfriends out there, how would you define HF-ing if someone referred to your significant other that way? How would your significant other perceive it? Now picture a leading men’s magazine saying it on their website, along with explicit descriptions. Not such an inane subject now, is it? It’s pretty easy to tell someone to lighten up when it’s not you they’re talking about.
I don’t blame women for getting ticked off about this. If they don’t want to lighten up about the matter, good for them. Keep fighting, ladies. Just remember that not all guys look at you as objects or subordinates for the taking.
And Debbie, not all Palin supporters are classless hypocritical sexist pigs. Don’t lump millions together because of a few vile morons.
Heh. Talked to any Saudis/Pakistanis/Afghan Muslims about sex lately?
Or how about Russians?
Or Chinese?
Sure, they will watch porn. But WE make the porn.
In public they are much more “puritanical” than we are.
Hell, until only ten years ago, Indian films wouldn’t even show couples kissing.
(Or maybe thats just my view based on my history. It’s all relative, you know)
SNORK!
Thank you for expressing what I’ve been trying to say. You did it far more eloquently than I, and you sir, are a gentleman.