Shooting at National Holocaust Museum Updated: Museum guard dies; shooter wasn’t “left” or “right,” just plain loony
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Details just coming in.
Via FoxNews: “At least two people were shot at the national Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, an official told FOX News. Other media reports said a man walked into the museum and shot a security guard. Another guard returned fire, wounding the alleged shooter. ”
AP bulletin here.
Tom Elia is tracking.
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Update: The shooter…
The suspect in Wednesday’s shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum is James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist from Maryland, two law enforcement officials told CNN.
Von Brunn served six years in prison on federal attempted kidnapping, assault and firearms charges after what he called a citizen’s “legal, nonviolent citizens arrest” of members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.
On his Web site, “Holy Western Empire,” von Brunn said he was “convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge.”
“He is in our files going back way into the 1980s,” said Heidi Beirich, a researcher for the Montgomery, Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.
“He has extremely long history with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. He’s written extremely incendiary publications, raging about Jews, blacks and the like.”
The suspect and a security guard were wounded in Wednesday afternoon’s shooting at the museum, U.S. Park Police said.
District of Columbia police and the FBI said the shooting appeared to have been the work of a single gunman and there was no prior indication of the attack.
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Inevitable: The blame game has already begun. Here’s Kos implicating the Tea Party movement.
Ditto Donald Douglas: “The spin on the left is that the suspect, James Von Brunn, is an agent of the GOP’s “Christian-fascist” base. The truth is, via Melissa Clouthier, this guy’s a deranged Holocaust denier. He represents no one on the conservative right – not me, nor any of those with whom I associate.”
Melissa Clouthier: “Remember, Markos, it’s our President who is wanting to meet with another Holocaust denier, President Ahmadinejad.”
Francis Beckwith notes that Von Brunn was an all-inclusive nutball hater who bashed both Jews and Christians.
Milblogger Greyhawk at Mudville Gazette notes the veteran-bashing claims of vindication by reporters citing the DHS right-wing extremism report. (Aside: Has anyone actually verified the lunatic gunman’s claims that he is a veteran? Update: Verified here according to Navy records.)
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Update: Heroic museum guard dies. Keep him in your prayers:
The security guard who was initially targeted was wounded; he was taken to George Washington University Hospital, where he died from his injuries, high level D.C. police sources told ABC 7′s Jennifer Donelan.
Sources say the gunman remains in critical condition at George Washington University Hospital.
The guard’s name was Stephen Tyrone Johns. Don’t forget.
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More from Kathy Shaidle about the shooter — a 9/11 Truther who hated “neo-cons:”
The man accused of opening fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC on June 10, James W. von Brunn, left a trail of unhinged writings around the internet.
The anti-semitism of von Brunn is the first thing one notices when visiting these bizarre websites. However, like those of most “white supremacists”, many of von Brunn’s political views track “Left” rather than “Right.” Clearly, a re-evaluation of these obsolete definitions is long overdue.
For example, he unleashed his hatred of both Presidents Bush and other “neo-conservatives” in online essays. As even some “progressives” such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, “neoconservative” is often used as a derogatory code word for “Jews”. As well, even a cursory glance at “white supremacist” writings reveals a hatred of, say, big corporations that is virtually indistinguishable from that of anti-globalization activists.
James von Brunn’s advocacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories also gives him an additional commonality with individuals on the far-left.
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Kos and the lunatic gunman today and the lunatic gunman who killed Pvt. Long share more in common that the rest of us — their world view is centered on contempt for what this nation stands for and are consumed with an abiding hatred of George W. Bush and the “neocons.”
Geoffrey Dickens at Newsbusters:
Salon.com Editor-in-Chief Joan Walsh, on Wednesday night’s “Hardball,” cited “conservatives” like Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin and Bill O’Reilly for “whipping up” a climate that sparks the likes of alleged Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn and “Hardball” host Chris Matthews wondered if access to guns were to blame for the tragedy as he cried, “It’s easier to get your hands on a gun than to get somebody to make you a waffle.”
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lgm, do you understand the difference between present tense and past tense?
Boy, the trolls came out of the woodwork for this one, didn’t they? (Just like cockroaches…)
89-yr old white supremacist?
Are you sure it’s not Robert Byrd?
and what does this have to do with anything??
unless I am mistaken, Falwell called Muhammed a terrorist…and the ADL was upset by the truth??
do you consider Muhammed a terrorist…or how about a pedophile??
Exactly correct. Sounds like this guy was a nazi sympathizer. If that’s the case, he would be LEFT winger…. not right. And certainly not a conservative.
Do you have to work at such idiocy, or is it a gift, Lgm?
Since when – on a battlefield – have we ever given Miranda rights to a captured enemy? Miranda is for law enforcement, not war…. how difficult is that for you to understand?
yeah they’re thrilled that they get to bash christianity.
but of course if he was a muslim, none of them would say boo…
Thanks, vsatt, I needed the laugh.
Red State Skeptic said:
Definition of Christian:
“one who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or lives the lifestyle based on the life and teachings of Jesus; one who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.”
Now are we talking Baptist, Lutheran,Methodist,Catholic, Morman?
Please be specific
from drudge..
Please, I’d like to see actual VATICAN-approved documentation that the Catholic Church “condemned” the Jewish religion “until recently.” Because this is demonstrably false as far as the OFFICIAL teaching of the Catholic Church goes.
You are, in all likelihood, referring to the lies about Pope Pius XII for supposed “inactivity” during the Holocaust (among other things). This is a flat-out falsehood.
As for this:
We pray for the conversion of everyone.
But I bet it feels good to get a dig in at Catholics doesn’t it?
Exactly correct again….. you’re on a roll.
And down the road, that same ‘detainee’ is returned to his village/country and questions that difference between his country and the west. I’m sure he’ll receive a straight answer…across the neck.
GladzKravtz said:
Praying for the Jewish religion to become smaller or disappear sounds antisemitic to me, even if it isn’t directed at specific Jewish individuals.
Again, we pray for everyone to be converted.
Hit “Submit” too soon.
And lots of liberal commenters here, yourself included, work toward policies that encourage Christianity to become smaller and disappear, yet you’ll never have the guts to call yourself “anti-Christian.”
We even pray for you lgm. Would you like to put a label on that?
Fisher’s of men, lgm.
My compliments to the security guard who held his ground, protected the visitors, and neutralized the threat.
I hope he is doing well.
So, lgm Muslims that think Christains should convert or be killed are as bad as the shooter?
This is the first time I’ve been here in quite awhile..where’s chap?
Christians care more about Jews and Israel than kapo lgm does.
Kapo lgm is a traitor and betrayer of his own people.
He is lower than pondscum.
lgm,
Did you really just discover that religons want to convert everyone???
SERIOUSLY????
WOW
Comment on the shooter.
May he burn in hell.
out.
Gosh, are you really this stupid?
First, the term anti-Semitic would mean that one was against both Jews and other descendants of Abraham (both of them Semitic people).
Second, if people believe in the Christian message, their prayers for the conversion of others is a supreme act of mercy and compassion, as well as a commandment from God.
EQ. Yes, the hypocrisy is striking.
BTW, we pray. We do not prey!
Well sure. So how does it sound if lots of someones say they want to push Israel into the sea?
right4life said (#107):
I wouldn’t have said boo if you hadn’t. I wasn’t going to comment, but the very first commenter assumed it was a Muslim. Many here would blame Islam for earthquakes. (Come to think of it, I think Pat Robertson blamed Islam for hurricane Katrina, along with gays and liberals generally.)
btw, the Free Republic posters embraced and did not condemn the threads inspired by this James Von Brunn. Creepy!
GladzKravtz said (#127):
Yeah, and I spel. I apologize. I did not mean to imply that anyone preys on Jews. (Maybe leaving out vowels, as Hebrew does, is good for people like me.)
lgm – that’s weak. I hope no one takes the bait to defend Pat Robertson.
I can’t remember the jurist who said it, and won’t take the time to look it up—
“The Constitution is not a suicide pact”
A high-value detainee is, by definition, not “innocent”. They are not criminals. They are not POWs.
One fundamental difference between us is that I have a great respect for law. You show utter contempt for it in the process of subverting any notion of right and wrong.
You and your kind will kill many, many Americans.
Do you listen to Falwell and Robertson regularly? How about Schuller? Armstrong? Angely? Hinn? Swaggart?
Do you ever listen to Jackie Mason?
moonshot, you seem confused as to which blog this is.
RSS: I see very little difference between nazis and muslims except for the object of thier worship.
LGM: Maranda rights for POW’s? Another good reason not to take prisoners.
At the left-wing hate site I play on, they’re already blaming Rush and the “hate-filled” conservatives for his inspiration.
and don’t you think thats a very reasonable, and very good assumption?
but of course this is TERRORISM..when a muslim does something, like the recent shooting of those 2 army recruiters, its just a ‘deranged gunman’
FIFY
So? For years, out of the Middle East’s many Muslim leaders have denounced Judaism, called for the destruction of Israel, and denied the Holocaust.
Logically, a shooting the US Holocaust Museum is more likely to be the doings of someone who believes that actual vitriol (as opposed to your weak argument about Christians “praying” for Jews…along with everyone else).
This guy also issued screeds against Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly, so do liberals who do the same bear some of the blame for this, too?
Good gravy, man.
Check the disjunctive. It’s one thing to say that Scott Roeder did not follow Christ’s teachings, but he was a Christian.
In the same way, I guess you would say that you cannot be a Catholic unless you oppose war, death penalty, abortion and birth control — which would eliminate about 99% of self-identifying Catholics in this country.
NAZI’s and MUSLIMS have alot in common when it comes to jews and the holocaust. So either one doing the shooting is no big suprise to me.
And
89 years old??? DUDE thats one tough SOB. I hope he lives long enough to be executed.
I hate nazis.
Shepard Smith is now blasting those who criticized the DOJ report on the threat of “extremists.” He said this shows that THEY WERE RIGHT to warn us. I guess he missed their definition of extremists to include those against abortion, illegal immigration and gun control.
The Nazi and the white supremacists have common cause with the modern Muslim MIDDLE.
The leaders of many Muslim nations harbored Nazis, and in modern days have spoken glowingly of Nazi policy.
As to Rush having anything to do with fringe nuts like this shooter, I expect he has more to worry about from them than most Birkenstock-wearing fools on the LEFT. The fringe HATES people like Rush most of all, seeing them as sell-outs who won’t support them.
Nah, just a false prophet the Bible warns against.
Ah hell…there goes the 2nd amendment again. Just got off the mower and see we are having another issue. Will have to bring myself up to speed.
I thought thou Owonderful One was supposed to bring great harmony back to life?
He was just another warlord, common enough in those days.
As defined by todays standards, yes.
Thank God it wasn’t an Eskimo. Yet.
I’m still wondering why the ADL would denounce Falwell for an accurate description of Muhammed?
stockholm syndrome??
Snort!
Oh, I’m sure this will be the “I told you so” mantra for weeks, months to come. Nevermind the idiot who killed and shot the soldiers. I guess that one doesn’t count. After all, it’s the military, remember?
Tiller was a Christian too, but apparently he had a hard time following the teachings as well — not to mention having a harder time following the Hippocratic oath. But no one brings up that issue because to liberals abortion on-demand is their mantra. No ifs, ands or butts, and no restrictions.
The NYT’s is STILL writing about the guy as if he was some sort of celebrity and martyr. Who’s writing about the death of the soldier (and the life that could’ve been) by a muslim nut? No one.
A nut, calling a nut a nut.
Since it’s y’all who love to play the associations game, you really have to defend Pat Robertson and his fellow extremists. Bush aggressively campaigned for his endorsement before the 2000 primaries. Several GOP presidential candidates sought John Hagee’s endorsement last year. And of course, there’s the matter of Bob Jones University.
If you can’t own up to the right’s longtime associations with these so-called Christian bigots, I don’t know what to say to you.
Does anyone take the Kos Kooks seriously? Please.
Michelle–I think lgm beat Kos…
The hero security guard has just died. Prayers for his family.
liberals.
Obama’s Former Pastor Resurfaces: ‘Them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me’…
Now who has the anti-semite problem again? Remember this is obamas spritual leader for 22 years.
I’m not a Catholic. I’m not a fan of the Catholic church. I think over the centuries it has, at various times, been run by men more interested in secular power than spiritual well being and while those men may no longer be in charge, much of what they created remains.
That said, I see nothing hateful about Catholics praying for the conversion of non-Catholics. If you truly believe that anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs is going to go to Hell and spend the rest of eternity being tormented for their sins, how much would you have to hate them to not try and save them?
Here’s what Penn Jillette, an atheist, had to say on the subject…
he’s an ‘extremist’? really? tell me do you think the Reverend Wright is an ‘extremist’???
and list some of these ‘extreme’ things he’s said…this should be good…
Time for a local update (slightly O/T):
So nice to have an Obama DHS looking
out for usthe other way. I’ll keep my guns, thank you very much.If the shooter is anti-Semitic, he hates Jews of Near East origin (Roman Palestine-Judea).
If the shooter hates European Jewry, he is anti-Ashkenazi.
If he hates Hollyweird and American intellectual Jews that dominate our higher education system and government, he is anti-Reform Judaism.
88, German name. Could he really be an old Nazi?
Given the shooter’s history hate was very likely a motive, but for a strange reason I get the feeling this was also about “suicide by cop”. The shooter is 88 years old. Either he has a terminal illness, which he blames on “Jew doctors” and prefers to go out in a blaze of glory or he lost a loved one and wanted to join her.
It really could just be pure hatred as the only motive, though.
Shooter was a Ron Paul supporter ? littlegreenfootballs is reporting that he was. What a POS.
lgm, no! Christians pray for Jews to be fulfilled and to grow beyond bounds! When God told Abraham ‘I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’ …this is what we pray for! God bless the Jew and prosper him! Christians long for this…
Um. Clearly you’re not a Catholic, either, so don’t pretend you know the teachings.
Abortion and contraception are absolutes. They thwart innocent life.
War and the death penalty, on the other hand, have just parameters in which both can be applied. Those parameters may not be wide, but they are there and they do not exclude either option. Because the Catholic Church clearly recognizes something liberals like you fail to: there are unjust aggressors in this world and people have a God-given right to defend themselves, their loved ones, strangers, and their nation – to the death, if necessary – in order to thwart the actions Which means one does not have to be emphatically anti-war and anti-death penalty in order to be Catholic.
It’s really outrageous how people who hold Catholicism in contempt are suddenly either fans or experts when they (mistakenly) believe they can misrepresent the Church’s teachings to bash someone over the head with it. Especially when that someone is, like me, an actual, practicing Catholic.
How long before MSNBC calls him a “right wing extremist”?
yeah they didn’t allow interracial dating…now they do…yeah thats extreme…..
especially when you compare it to the new black panther party…
or the ‘reverend’ Al..of tawana brawley fame…and didn’t he have something to do with a riot where there was a fire in a jewish store??
RSS – There are those who speak of, and believe in the truth…then there are the rest.
You got some dysfunctional reasoning going on there but it is ok not say anything.
Why?
When will you defend the likes of Bill Ayers and other left-wing extremists who engage in acts of terrorism (up to and including Islamic jihadists)?
..to avoid ObamaCare. Zero should be so proud.
It’s refreshing to note that so many posters here have evidently read “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. Yes, fascism and Nazism are both left-wing ideologies born out of the socialist movement of the early 20th century. Liberals don’t have a clue about their roots. Racist, totalitarian, intolerant and brutal.
Jet Jaguar said:
lgm response:
oh and as far as that EXTREMIST Hagee…
from politico..
I didn’t know Lieberman was an EXTREMIST too!!
Don’t forget godless
That’s a good question. I don’t know anyone who even reads it. I guess they get a lot of traffic, but then again, so do Star Wars fansites. I’ve noticed that homeboy hasn’t been on tv that much recently. I think the mainstream media (and I guess the Democratic party, given that kos-sponsored debate) is just so desperate not to get outdated that they are way too quick to follow what they think is the next big thing. NETROOTS! TWITTER! The media thinks the huffington post is a bloggers paradise, when it’s really nothing more than a glorified rss feed. Their original content is a joke aside from Sam Stein.
Oh the joy of victimhood, and the systemic addiction to blame; they’re both as universal as hydrogen.
We now have yet another challenge for Keith OlberJerk’s lungs tonight:
“White guy”, “Christian”, “Jew-Hater”, “Right-wing hate nut”; “bad, bad, bad.”
Of course, he’ll be nowhere near as succinct.
lgm;
Try to imagine the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the squad stops and reads a Nazi soldier (who WAS a POW and would be afforded rights under law) his Maranda rights on the orders of the Roosevelt administration.
Just try. Then try to imagine every captured German, Japanese or Italian soldier being given a full jury trial in the US before they could be interned.
How does that exercise work for you?
Hey, you know who else was anti-Semitic? Karl Marx.
Scratch my last comment. What’s more infuriating is you are really setting up a damned-if-we-do, damned-if-we-don’t requirement that I am not going to bow down to.
If we defend Robertson and his followers, you’ll say we’re just like them.
If we denounce Robertson and his followers, you’ll condemn us for not playing the “association game.”
Sorry. I’m not buying it and that’s such a stupid argument.
First and foremost, the association game is played because the violence carried out by Islamic extremists is actually in the texts and core teachings of Islam. That’s not the same case with Christianity.
Liberals can hysterically point to the Old Testament or the Crusades and try to make an argument of equivalency, but that doesn’t fly and it really shows how truly Christian-illiterate you are, because our history may be the Old Testament, but our teachings are the New Testament.
That’s why we’re called “Christians”, because of Christ – who did not exist in the Old Testament, but came to fulfill the laws and promises and show us how He wanted us to behave and what to believe.
Anyone who strays from those teachings is wrong and not following Christian doctrine (be they Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, or otherwise). Conversely, in Islam, anyone who strays from those teachings of violence, jihad, and subjugation is not only not being Islamic, they’re libel to be imprisoned or killed for apostasy.
Common sense people can see this difference. For some reason, liberals can’t.
They will need the special spit drapes for the cameras….
thank God for the Crusades, and people like Charles Martel, and the monks of St. John…the new testament isn’t a suicide pact…and we can defend ourselves.
I wish we had someone like Martel today!!! we need him, desperately.
Wow. Seriously? Like calling Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists the antichrist? And calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez? And concurring with Jerry Falwell’s blame of 9-11 on America’s homosexuals?
But I guess that’s par for the course for right4life.
And yeah, J Wright is a nut and reflects poorly on our president. Happy?
God, please put Your Arm around the guard who died and his family. Please be with the wounded.
L
I am Catholic, and don’t call me Clearly.
From the cathechism of the Catholic Church:
I don’t see any leeway here if there’s an option of life imprisonment. And obviously, the Vatican has adamently opposed the Iraq war from the start.
sure is a lot easier than going to war with venezuala…do you think we should have assasinated Saddam or Hitler?? You do know that we are trying to kill Osama Bin-laden…do you consider that an assasination?? what do you call it??
this is what he said…
and don’t the liberals blame the US for the muslim attacks against us?? specifically our policies of supporting Israel???
and the difference is??
It would be nice if once — just once — we could let a tragedy be a tragedy and not start shouting and pointing fingers before the blood dries.
First off, the blame for 9/11 on sinful behavior was based on a sermon warning that a nation preoccupied with the lascivious is turning from God’s blessings, not that God acts to punish sin on earth.
Second, is it fair for the Left to point to things said by preachers on the right while only flippantly dismissing the things said by those on the left?
So what did you have to say the last time, when he was right?
Why is he a White Supremacist and not a Nazi? Jews are white just like hispanics and most muslims.
P.S. Patience, my Eskimo brothers, patience.
Sadly, lgm, rss, chappy, and others will not understand what you just said. Eyes are blind, ears deaf and heart hardened.
Col. Ralph Peters is on Cavuto right now disputing the attempt to use this to validate Napolitano’s Homeland Security crapola.
I couldn’t find the entire context of the quote but…
and once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as “the spirit of the Antichrist.”
you do know the bible says
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
perhaps because of things like this…
link
HB – you sound like my mother. Guilt didn’t work when she used it on me either, but nice try.
They didn’t allow it when W spoke there. Or when Reagan did. Or Dole or Quayle or all the rest.
Right. And every Democrat speaks at Black Panther conventions.
I really just can’t get enough of y’all pretending you are not the party of serious effed up racism, in spite of constant overwhelming evidence to the contrary (and of course having virtually no appeal outside white people).
Bob Jones U
Strom
Lott on Strom
Jesse Helms
Geoff Davis
Lee Atwater
Diann Jones
Dean Grose
What am I leaving out?
And let’s not forget their tendency to wink at homosexuals in the pulpit either.
Humans are sin-wagons, that’s why we are given a Savior.
No, he blamed 9/11 on “pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the American Civil Liberties Union and the People For the American Way.”
Wasn’t my intention. Just observing that the instant reaction to people dying a violent, unnecessary death is either 1) “told you so” or 2) a defensive crouch.
It’s not a left/right thing. There will always be angry nutjobs across the political spectrum bent on killing people — I can accept that. It’s the way the rest of us so eagerly, gratuitously respond to these tragedies that makes my skin crawl.
The Left took great pains to blame FNC and talk radio for inciting Dr. Tiller’s outrageous murder.
The pro-Israel right could now just as easily blame the Holocaust Museum’s attack on the “blame-Israel-first” messages that permeated Left-leaning news outlets’ stories during last week’s Mid East tour as setting off the anti-Semitic time bomb inside the alleged shooter.
But the right will not do this; they’re better than that.
So a nutty anti-semitic white guy is automatically a Christian? Why don’t they just call him what he was – a hate-filled nut job?
I’m with you.