Winds of change: The uprising in Iran
Here’s video of the riots and police beatings in the streets of Iran as citizens bravely stood up to protest election fraud by the mullah-cracy:
There will be public protests in Toronto and Berlin in solidarity with the reformists.
Latest from the wires on the winds of change:
The brazen and angry confrontations — including stunning scenes of masked rioters tangling with black-clad police — pushed the self-styled reformist movement closer to a possible moment of truth: Whether to continue defying Iran’s powerful security forces or, as they often have before, retreat into quiet dismay and frustration over losing more ground to the Islamic establishment.
But for at least one day, the tone and tactics were more combative than at any time since authorities put down student-led protests in 1999. Young men hurled stones and bottles at anti-riot units and mocked Ahmadinejad as an illegitimate leader. The reformists’ new hero, Mir Hossein Mousavi, declared himself the true winner of Friday’s presidential race and urged backers to resist a government based on “lies and dictatorship.”
Authorities, too, pushed back with ominous measures apparently seeking to undercut liberal voices: jamming text messages, blocking pro-Mousavi Web sites and Facebook and cutting off mobile phones in Tehran.
Best and most up-to-date coverage: Follow Twitter hashtag #iranelection.
Here’s an Iran Feeds aggregator.
Jim Hoft has a news and photo round-up.
Allahpundit’s Iran election quotes of the day are here and extensive coverage here.
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I’ve known Iranians and ‘palestinians’…the iranians were urbane, educated, intelligent, decent people….
the palestinians, not so much…
Many Iranians regard themselves as “Persian” to distance themselves from the theocracy.
The Iranians are urbane because there were Westernized for a period of time, until the Ayatollah Khomeini took over.
Islam is such a culture killer.
Let’s hope it doesn’t get to that here, but one wonders.
I didn’t realize ACORN was in charge of the voting stations in Iran too.
This is sure some “robust debate” Obambi got started with his pathetic speech in Egypt. Fact is the other guy was as committed to nukes as Awkmadindgydad(whatever) it’s just that he would have been more quiet about it. Same result as before the”Ones” Islamic world changing speech.
I think the news media got the story wrong. This was actually “practice” riot over the Lakers win last Thursday in the NBA finals. We had one too in East LA. The real full-blown riot should take place tomorrow night when the Lakers win the championship.
I don’t think that it will be long until elections here are so crooked that riots happen in our streets.
The article above referred to the reformists as liberals, I think I would call them libertarians. Liberal means to me people that are into group freedom through fascist thought at the detriment of individual freedom. These Iranians are opposed to fascism as they want to be free to disagree with the government. I hope and pray that they achieve their goals without having to face torture or death. I have met some Iranian Americans who had relatives in Iran, I think that the reason they are more urbane is because education is still viable in Iran. The PLO, who received money for service oriented projects, never built schools, they were too busy funding terrorists. Now you have a lot of uneducated, angry Palestinians who learn nothing but hate on the streets and never question why their people can’t pull themselves up or get aid from their Muslim brethren to do so. Also they are not taught the real reasons their grandparents ended up without a home.
We’re in for the fight of our lives. In 2010 we all have to work hard to kick out incumbents, run for office if we can, and support good candidates.
As God is my witness, I swear that if a major infringement on the rights of free speech and free association comes to pass — for example, direct or indirect government action to stifle talk radio or limit political speech on the internet — then I will immediately move to silence the speech of those responsible.
So long as Republicans insist on running as “the lesser of two evils” while blaming their misfortunes on conservatives, voting out incumbents MUST be our main strategy. No one gets re-elected.
Maybe the Jewish voters will re-think blindly supporting Obama and Democrats after Obama gets Israel nuked. You know, the “final” solution. We can expect a very spirited dialogue afterwards.
Israel isnt going to get nuked. The Mossad will never let that happen. The useless Israeli government would let it happen. The Mossad? No.
In all of the press and blog coverage of Soetoro’s moves against Israel, the Mossad are not mentioned. The CIA? Plenty.
Soetoro and company have no idea what Mossad is up to. And that worries them. So what do they do? Go to Cairo and prance about. Lame. Just lame. Scared little Muslim Boy President. “Must..must…must”….. ya right little boy.
The Mossad knows what time it is and who is buttering Soetoro’s bread.
And even though much is made of Rahm Emmanuel being in the IDF during Gulf War 1. He is not Mossad. He is a liberal Jew with the synonymous mental disorder.
And while the senile George Mitchell (when was his last constructive thought? in the 80s???) trots about having meetings, and the useless Hillary Clinton jets around the world getting fatter by the hour….the true Sons of David prepare for decisive victory over the Followers of Islam.
Israel will nuke Tehran and Damascus. You heard it here.
Israel is armed and ready to strike. And there are enough Arab countries who don’t want to see the Followers of Islam in Tehran with nuclear firepower.
The Impostor President of the United States has overreached in his naieve posturing in Cairo. And he has made himself irrelevant.
Media imagery and propaganda can only take a politician so far before he has to begin killing people to silence the opposition. I don’t think the Soetoro “machine” has the stomach for that.
Israel will nuke Tehran and Damascus. And Soetoro will behave as if he was in on it all along. He will capitalize on it. The issues around nuking Tehran are so complex he can play them anyway the media can spin them.
But the real sleeper issue after the nuking is the power vacuum created by the torching of the Mullahs and their frothing lap poodle President.
Turkey, the Kurds, the Russians, Chinese, surviving tribal people of Persia…. a flash point from where there will be no turning back. Soetoro’s Presidency will collapse.
The Boy Muslim President is incapable of thinking stategically from a geopolitical perspective. He is playing the puppet’s role. Soros and company- his string pullers- are moving for a war brought about by a demonized (unfairly) Israel. Soetoro doesn’t grasp this due to the glare of his own narcissistic halo.
So he postures. He huffs and he puffs. But he doesn’t know how to lead.
And war— total war brought on by the nuking of Tehran by the Israelis— requires one to lead.
Bear1909 out.
My favorite part of the video was at about 1:10 into it…three, then four policemen were pulling one man away and hitting him…but then they started to run away. They ran because the crowd was surging towards them. People of good conscience can stop evil if they stick together and stick to their guns. Holding on to your guns helps too!!!
Being serious, I really don’t expect Iran to nuke Israel. I don’t think they are capable of it for one thing, and I see the Muslim world as more complex than to be united in supporting the destruction of Israel in this manner. The cannot possibly believe that it will bring about a better world for Islam.
Iran could soon find itself bogging down in domestic violence. It is easy to forget that elections are rigged in order to frustrate the will of the people. Iranians are the only people in the ME outside of Israel who are educated and aware of the outside world. They know enough about what they could have to openly fight the government that is cheating to deny it to them. Our own government appears to be making the same mistake.
Never underestimate the American people. As much as our entrenched criminal class of corrupt weasels may want to believe that we have grown fat and complacent, if they are not prepared to shoot an awful lot of us in the streets, they will lose.
All governments are democratic at some level. The ones that choose to exercise their democracy at the voting booths prosper. Those that insist on a more shooting-based democracy languish. Let’s keep our voting honest.
Election fraud? I blame Diebold.
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Pray for the good people of Iran.
Exactly.
Ignatius Reilly said:
‘then I will immediately move to silence the speech of those responsible’
IG – please elaborate on your plans. That might assist the authorities in preventing another right wing nut job from inflicting pain on innocent people.
You might want to read Frank Rich excellent column which addresses comments such as your’s:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.html
bear, I totally agree with you. The US lacks leadership and is showing itself to be completely weak. Dictators and totalitarian governments around the world are applauding the weakness that the US is now, and starting to take advantage of it. Israel has no back up since Obama has taken control, and the only way they are going to see their survival is for them to take drastic action. The problem is, after Tehran is nuked for Israel’s survival, there is nothing to stop the 20.00 per gallon gasoline we are going to wake up to the next day. After that, it will be an all out war for survival as the oil that is left will have to be fought for. The US vs. Russia and China, ;wow, it looks like the Bible’s prophecy is true after all.
Hey Les, you might want to read the Constitution which addresses thoughts such as yours….And btw, it addresses thoughts such as IG’s and it is on the side of IG, not yours, or Mr. Rich’s.
We need some winds of change here in the USA. We need to depose the shameless thug fraud Barack Obama. We need regime change before our entire nation is destroyed. We need to physically remove the politicians from the House and Senate. We need to physically shut down the bureaucracy. We need people who want to be free to stand up and fight for liberty.
An Isreali first strike on a city is worst wild card of all. Preemptively bombing nuclear reactor facilities is one thing, but killing an Arab or Persian city will be the sum of all nightmares for Israel because it will be the best excuse for an open season on every Israeli city save Jerusalem. I’m not even thinking about lame missiles, but nukes purchased under the table without fingerprints by terrorists from N. Korea or Iran or whoever to slip into target Israeli cities over there. It won’t stop till Korea runs out of uranium. I think the Arabs would grudgingly “pardon” Israel’s retaliation to a first nuke strike on Israel by an aggressor neighbor, but all bets are off if Isreal takes that first real bad move.
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
rich is a liar, just like you are. a fascist who wants to silence those who disagree with them.
get a clue, your shooter was a left-wing socialist wacko who hated fox news…please…
and tiller was a baby killer…truth hurts…
Rich even brings up that proven lie about the someone saying ‘kill him’ at a mccain rally…
link
you libs are pathetic liars…
and rich goes on to say obama a ‘lifelong christian’ right, who grew up as a muslim in a madrassa…and ‘lifelong christians’ don’t go using the adjective ‘holy’ to describe the quran…
but its obvious rich and the left are on a campaign to silence their opponents because they sure can’t deal with the issues..
here’s one of the most laughable lies in Rich’s column…
like the rest of his column its an out right lie…Bush’s last deficit was a little over 400 billion…obama’s first deficit is going to be around 2 TRILLION…and obama’s ‘reaching across the aisle’ consists of ‘I WON’
when I read rich, I feel like I’m reading Pravda in the 1970s…
Lets stop right there. I just read Frank Rich’s column that you linked to and came to only one conclusion… Frank Rich is an ignorant dumb@ss.
To claim that Obama hasn’t even come close to Bush’s debt is an outright LIE. The debt racked up during the end of Bush’s Presidency was because of the Democrat-controlled Congress. Remember, it’s CONGRESS that passes the budget, which the President signs. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office pegs Bush’s deficit just over $400 billion, while Obama’s is already over $1.8 TRILLION.
And let’s look at abortion “doctors”. They have been exposed MANY times for the frauds that they are… skirting rape laws and medical procedure requirements. And lets look at the “kill-rate”. In the last few decades… 5 abortion doctors to 40+ MILLION babies! If you wish to be honest, abortion doctors have outpaced the Nazi’s in exterminations, and are trying hard to match Pol Pot and Stalin.
Obama hasn’t restricted gun rights YET. But it IS coming. His record in the Illinois senate backs up that assertion.
Obama may not be a terrorist, however he IS a socialist/fascist. After all, the government through his policies now OWNS a controlling ownership in a corporation and FIRED its CEO. So, he may not be defined as a domestic terrorist, but what he is doing undermines our country and speaks volumes against the oath he took on Jan 20th.
So yeah, I stand by my assertion…
I must admit I am watching the events in Iran with great interest and would love to see the brutal theocracy of the madmen mullahs come crashing down around their ears. The Iranian people have suffered miserably under the 6th century worshippers of the moon god. I only wish they too had a 2nd Amendment right throwing rocks against AK-47 and club welding thugs can only go so far before the massacre of the unarmed and very pissed off masses begins.
I agree with Bear Israel will not go down without a fight, despite the fools running their government. “dear leader” is in way over his head on the events rapidly forming into the perfect storm of another global total war toppling his dreams of a fascist empire. How many more stolen elections and arrogant corruptocrats will Americans take before we take to the streets and physically take our country back? The tree of liberty needs to be watered not only in this country, but all over the world.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!
So is this hate speech or treason?
The windy change speaks !
I wonder if Obama is still eager to reach out to Ahmadinejad? Whoever thought that the election in Iran was going to have any other outcome than what is, is very naive, I include the Obama administration. In fact I think the whole election charade in Iran has highlighted our President’s idiotic foreign policy very clearly. Obama looks like the fool he is and any other outreach for talks with Iran should be met with derision.
That is just what we “Right Wing Nut Jobs” might have to do; “Right Wing Nut Jobs” being those people who refuse to wait for the knock on the door. Anyone considering Frank Rich viable tells me what I need to know.
But for the immediate future we do have the political process and that we are morally bound to use. Find and support a Conservative candidate you think will do well. Get involved at the precinct level.
One sick old man shoots up the Holocaust Museum and we are to be terrified of New Hate! ACORN terrorizes and not a thing is done. Illegal Alien gangs terrorize whole cities and nothing is done.
All the best for the people in Iran but at the moment our fight is here. I imagine President Hussein Obama is one the side of the mullahs.
Concord Bridge. Stand tall, stand firm as yours is a rich history of defending Liberty-Frank Rich be damned.
I heard an Iranian-American author on Book-TV a couple of years ago. He said that a big part of the reason that their revolution had not happened was because they were afraid America would “help.”
I bet THE ONE put some money in the “stimulus” bill to study these types of cough cough…civil unrest after elections.
After all, part of his big plan is to rule this country forever just like the African, Middle East, N Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc., thug wacko run regimes. By allocating money to study the unrest he will better formulate a plan to squash it with his um um um “volunteer” army.
I second that! Les, you really need to sit down and see the NYTimes for what it is: a liberal cheerleading squad.
To wit:
Where do you even begin? Rich, whose qualifications only include “marginal movie reviewer,” exemplifies the “off the mark, only see bad things in conservatives” liberal.
None are so blind as those who will not see.
This isn’t about hating Obama, it is about keeping the Obamateur from wrecking the country, which he is managing to do at light speed.
While Bear may be right that the Mossad has contingency plans, I sure their first and foremost strategy would be to topple the mullahs from within. They have already put out contracts on the nuclear masterminds.
Internal change would be best all around. I would say that the majority of Iranians would prefer a secular state, and should they achieve this in the face of the current regime’s thuggery, the world would become a safer, happier place.
Why are so many articles using the word “brazen” and not “brave” or “courageous” when referring to the protestors?
Contemptuous boldness? What is contemptuous about their boldness? They are standing and sacrificing as an outgrowth of their principles and values. Something the American media obviously can’t fathom.
The political spectrum is not a straight line, it’s a circle. Go too far to the right or the left and you end up in the same place–true nut jobs who have so much in common with each other that you can’t truly distingish left from right. To refer to von Brunn as left-wing or right-wing simply reveals the author’s view of his own place in the political spectrum–no one wants to be associated with that sort of crazy evil.
Michelle said it clearly:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/10/shooting-at-national-holocaust-museum/
If the American sheeple and the MSM keep up their love affair with the ‘One’ we will see a similar scenario in this country before too long. The seeds of despotism have been planted since the late 60’s with the ‘dissent’ over Viet Nam and has been fertilized over the last few cycles with the smokescreens laid down by the left over the supposed “stealing” of elections by the GOP. The gauntlet was formally laid out last November with all of the ACORN fraud that was perpetrated upon us. At some point ‘We the People’ are going to have to wrest control of our country from the lunatics who would enslave us with their socialistic mentality. Are we going to allow ourselves to be ruled as drones serving at the pleasure of the elitist liberal class?
Which is sure to happen once we are taxed at over 50%, free speech limited to that which is PC and approved by government, more government takeover of the private sector business, and heavy gun control laws.
The problem is this guy was part of the Ayatollah Khomeini takeover back in the 70’s. He was the prime minister under Khomeini, so I really do not expect to see much change under him (which his campaign heralded, kinda like the Obama campaign).
The sad thing is the true reformists in Iran that want the changes away from an opressive Islamic regime are the ones who will suffer the most. They voted for Mir Hossein Mousavi in the hopes to get these changes, but the truth is he will not be much different than Ahmadinejad (just quieter about his it). Not to mention the true power behind Iran is the Grand Leader Ayatollah Khomeini and the president is nothing more than a figurehead puppet.
Question: If the four candidates were hand picked by the Mullahs out of hundreds who applied, why would it matter to the Mullahs who was the winner? Is there a possibility that Ahmadinejad is not the puppet any more? Could it be that the worm has turned? Things that make me go hmmm.
Unless the army joins with the people, or however you wish to express it, this uprising, such as it is, is doomed and the government will emerge stronger than ever. See China, 1989. Everybody knows this though apparently few are willing to state it.
As for Obama, I can well imagine him watching this closely and taking notes — for the dark reasons that several of the posters have suggested. The man would gut the military completely, if he didn’t foresee a need for them in precisely situations like this.
flmom,
There may be another reason for the goings on in Iran. As you noted the Mullahs “allow” the persons they pick to run for President and as I noted the guy the reformists wnat was with Khomeini right after the revolution of the 70’s. You mention that perhaps the pupet master is no longer pulling the strings; yet I am inclined to believe that they may be pulling the strings more than one thinks.
Beenthere (post #39) points out that if the Army does not join with the reformists to topple the Grand Ayatollah then they are doomed. Perhaps this is what the Grand Ayatollah had in mind.
Run a guy as a reformists and then ensure that the election results do not favor the reformist candidate. Then watch as the “troublemakers” rise up against the results. Then have your security forces detain them for acts against the government. Now you have purged your country of those who may try to cause serious problems. This way you can avoid confrontations like this when you announce to the world that you have joined the “nuclear club”. Of course this would be completly contigent upon complete control of the armed forces which I would not find surprising that the Ayatollah has.
I know this seems like a crazy conspiracy theory (and just might be), but it is what is going on then I fear the worst is yet to come.
The old old naughty naughty CIA would at just the right time and place, spark a rebellion and what a shock Democracies would sprout up.
Now we can’t offend anybody and we must respect others traditions and cultures (no matter how badly they suck) so many start up Democracies are now dictatorships and totalitarian regimes in the guise of legitimate governments.
B.S.
You reap what you sow and cultivate.
Whatever the scenario, this doesn’t bode well for Israel, that much is true. I would like nothing more than to see the citizens of Iran rise up and topple this regime, but we all know that without any tacit support from the West, this isn’t going to happen. Either way, there is going to be some serious rumblings in the Middle East.
I completely agree with that, Arizona.
My post was responding to Tennessee Dave’s comment about the suppression of political speech in Iran via cutting off of text messaging, cell phone, etc., and his hope that it doesn’t come to that here. It is a hope that I share.
But the plain fact is that many on the Left — not just nutjobs but powerful legislators — have explicitly threatened to silence political conservatives by limiting their speech. When the fascists take away your freedom of speech, it is no longer possible to answer them in the arena of ideas.
I am just saying that I am committed to never allowing myself to be silenced by the fascists. Never. And I am fully prepared to oppose them with such means as are left to me. And I will not be reduced to carrying a few signs or begging to have a crumb of attention from the MSM if/after the fascists pull the plug on our most effective means of speech. I will assert my rights to free speech not in a symbolic way but with unmistakable directness and immediacy.
I knew that there was no way that there could ever be a peaceful exchange of power in Iran. And you know something? I doubt that there will ever be another peaceful exchange of power ever again in THIS country.
I believe there will be an Enabling Act-inducing “crisis” that will proclaim millions of Americans by fiat “enemies of the state,” our citizenships will be revoked, and those currently in power will never relinquish it.
Everything is in place for this to happen: a slavish media that barks whenever the Democrats say “speak,” a Republican party that wants the Democrats and the media to “like” them, and state-funded federal AND private agencies whose function is to make the citizenry ignorant and dependent, and to ensure that the Democrats benefit from fraudulent election results.
Obama sees himself as a savior of this country, the democrats have bought into this notion entirely, and there is NO way that they will allow to watch as their policies throw this country into societal and economic chaos, and for anyone else to claim that they can put us on a better course. They will blame everything on “enemies from within” that are making everything worse, and there will be enough Obama-following drones out there to believe it (who will be egged-on by NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and all of the print media).
So, what we see happening in Iran will become the universal status quo, the United States included. I have no doubts about that.
I hear you, yohann, and it is far, far from certain that our side would have any chance to prevail in the scenario that you sketch out.
Personally, I am committed to do everything that I can in opposition — EVERYthing — at whatever cost to me and regardless of the ultimate futility of resistance. I will not go gentle into that good night.
BTW, I don’t have cable television (can’t afford it at the moment), and I’m wondering if the state-run American television media is covering this tyranny, or are they simply reporting what the Iranian state-controlled media tells them to report (that Ahmadinejad won the “election” by a landslide)?
“I believe there will be an Enabling Act-inducing “crisis” that will proclaim millions of Americans by fiat “enemies of the state,” our citizenships will be revoked, and those currently in power will never relinquish it.”
Except that in our country it is very unlikely the military will at the snap of Obama’s fingers suddenly turn on us the citizens in the way they would have to in order for what you describe to transpire.
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Like Mao said, “power grows out of the barrel of a gun!”–or from the noose, lash, stoning, amputation, prison, etc.
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Iran’s religious leaders are waiting for the 12 th. IMAM (their Messiah) to return and bring on the final battle–armigeddon. The people of Iran can support them or die–their choice.
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Meanwhile BEAR1909 #11 gets it right. Benjamin Netanyahu has a life or death decision coming soon. Israel is on its own–no help will be coming from the new U.S.S.A., our congress or the Messiah. Or from the (not) United Nations or other countries. The Mullahs smell the fear and are getting ready to try to pick off Israel.
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The Israeli intelligence agencies probably have some “sleeper” agents in Iran giving them the real status of the nuke program and expected operational capability date. Israel will hit the nuke sites soon–if the “handwriting on the wall” is clear to them. The countdown clock is nearing zero now.
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President Obama (PBUH) will issue a “I am quite saddened by the events” statement–and Hillary will ask for some more “sternly worded” sanction statements.
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John Bibb
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Film recommendation: The Lives of Others
This is a 2006 film depicting the Stasi period of Leftist oppression in East Germany. It is the nightmare of 1984 but in a realistic depiction of what actually did happen rather than in a futuristic fantasy.
It is in German with English subtitles, which I hope will not discourage everyone. Netflix.
Obama can say what he wants about Israel and the mid-east. But if war comes and Obama directs the US to not support Israel, he will have major problems on his hands here in the US.
…probably atheists
I guess you forgot about Obama’s planned “civilian national defense force,” which he wants to be just as well funded and powerful as our national defense forces.
I meant to put the following in the quotes, not the one that I used:
I also misnamed it. It was called by Obama a “civilian national security force.”
yohan….
If you want to believe you live in a country where fellow Americans will at the drop of a hat turn on the citizens of this country taking violent military action in order to silence conservatives and keep Obama in power, that is up to you. Please believe whatever you wish.
It is lunacy. But if you want to believe it, please do.
So some “civilian” armed group decides to attack a bunch of conservatives in Dallas, Texas. You REALLY think that will work and succeed?
You REALLY think the military folks who are not stupid by any means are going to allow an armed political group to go unchallenged?
This is the America and Americans you imagine?
I’m sorry but I don’t buy it. I do buy taking every chance we get to get everyone who can to vote in 2010 and destroy Obama’s majority in the House and Senate, do the same for local and state elections, and the in 2012 throw Obama and Biden out for good.
We live in a country that can change course.
These doomsday scenarios are lunancy if only because I know folks in the military and there is no way in the world those folks are going to militarily turn on fellow citizens as would have to be done for these doomsday scenarios to pan out.
Same with the police officers I know.
js–how many Obama voters even consider themselves Americans anymore? How many of them consider anything other than party loyalty? It isn’t about what the majority wants, because we can see from what happened in Iran what will happen to the majority when the state doesn’t get the desired results from an “election.”
And as far as our military is concerned, the state can dictate who will and who won’t man it. Those who won’t be loyal to the oligarch can be discharged. It’s as simple as that. I’m not saying my scenario WILL happen, but if you don’t believe it can’t, then you are blind.
yohan….
Please feel free to live in a world to your liking.
There will never be a day in America where military action will take place to quiet, control and eliminate converatives in order to keep leftist in control.
“how many Obama voters even consider themselves Americans anymore?”
Far as I know all of them.
Again you can paint any picture and have any world view you wish. What you are saying makes you sound as much a lunatic as many folks on the left did with their Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Its your call of course. I will point it out. You can do what you want with it.
There will be no secret public civilian or military force taking people who oppose Obama “out”.
All this “He’s going to take away our guns so he can round us up” stuff is again lunancy and does nothing to help convince the folks who need to hear what conservatives are saying to actually “hear” it.
I am more afraid of good people standing by and doing nothing in terms of supporting conservatism and conservative candidates than I am of some armed group rounding me up cause I am a Republican.
“how many Obama voters even consider themselves Americans anymore?”
I will add this. Your statement is the very kind of thing that simply has to stop. Accusing Obama supports of not being American? Questioning just how American they are? Really? This you think is appropriate and an effective strategy?
If I was thinking about military action against Iranian assets, wouldn’t this be a pretty good time?
I’m in Berlin right now, in a lovely flat in Kreuzberg. Three days ago we visited the Stasi museum — one of the most frightening, foreboding (and interesting) places I’ve ever been, at home or abroad. And frankly, the exhibits reminded me of what happens when a government runs amok — such as the warrantless wiretapping and surveillance that happened during the Bush years. Scary, indeed.
Also, I recommend the museum (and Berlin itself — it’s an incredibly beautiful, amazingly cheap and easily navigable city) to everyone.
No, it isn’t, and thanks for injecting a bit of reason. No one is more or less American because of their political beliefs, and it demeans your own ideology (not to mention making you seem like an unthinking and silly reactionary) to imply such a thing. I may not believe in pretty much ANYthing conservatives have to say, but I certainly don’t think they’re less patriotic for saying it. That’s the beauty of being American, and I question your understanding of that fundamental little fact if you believe otherwise.
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jsmiddleton04,
although I recognize that we are on the same side in the big struggle, I take strong exception to your scolding of yohann. I especially take exception to your telling him to shut up with some of his comments.
This is exactly the thing that the PC fascists want to do; they want to control people and their thoughts and their speech.
Team Obama has demonstrated in may ways, for many years, that they are not patriotic. Obama’s reluctance to wear a flag label pin spoke volumes. As did Michelle’s famous remark. Ditto their associations with Wright, Ayers, and others.
Many on the Left have long regarded themselves as “citizens of the world.” They wish to give away American sovereignty to international organizations. As conservatives have long known, they always blame America first. Obama has repeatedly gone abroad and emphasized that he represented a new America, not that old bad one that was responsible for so much of the world’s misery.
So it may not be great strategy to say so but the Obama crowd is, in fact, not very American, not very patriotic. If you can’t see that, I think you are in the wrong place.
You clearly approach these things as a political strategist. And your advice would no doubt be good if addressed to party leaders. A certain moderation is always a good thing for a politician who must appeal to the center.
But some of us are not here to post a carefully crafted message that will play well wherever it is heard. Some of us are here to have honest conversation with like-minded folks and, often, to share our exasperation. And to think about where we might draw a line and what the end game could be like.
It may be that American politics will soon find the way back to the center. But it may also be that we have experienced a sea change and we will go much further in the same direction. Certainly the Leftists have in mind to use their new clout to permanently change our politics in ways that cannot be undone with the next election.
We may not be headed back toward the center. We may be headed toward something that more resembles European, rigorously enforced PC politics with an increasingly heavy government hand throughout the economy and every aspect of life, or, even worse, we may be headed for something with more of a Latin American flavor. Half of Europe has just thrown off a heavy joke of Leftist oppression; there is absolutely nothing to assure that we are not about to take it up.
We will be told to shut up soon enough if Hillary and Rahm and Barney and Nancy get full power to regulate our speech (something that will have to be enforced over top of me).
I hope your general view that we are suffering nothing but a transient down political period that can be corrected in the next election cycle or two is correct. But I don’t believe that that view is correct. I certainly don’t believe it justifies your effort to stifle people with a different view.
One is un-American when their politics and ideologies seek to undermine what made America great, especially the Constitution, as Obama and an alarming number of his followers seek to do.
From freedom of speech to the freedom to think to the free expression of religion and the ability to make and keep one’s wealth in the free-market system (all things that made and make American great), the American way of life is under threat.
Sure we’ll still be “America” but just as there’s a difference between the letter of the law and the morality of the law, so too is there a difference between the title of a nation and whether or not that nation still lives up to the founding principles that made it what it is today.
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I could not possibly overstate how profoundly I disagree with this statement.
The idea of America encompasses a lot of things: history, geography, language, etc. But none of it is more central than the core “political beliefs” in democracy, the Bill of Rights, equal justice, etc.
People can be whatever color, whatever religion, whatever sexual persuasion, even not speak English and I view them as legitimate Americans, as long as they are here legally.
But for people who do not accept these core political principles and believe in the sanctity of our nation under its founding documents, I have one message for those people: Get the hell out!
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englishqueen,
I was busy composing even as you were posting but clearly we are on the same page. Salute.
“I could not possibly overstate how profoundly I disagree with this statement.”
Hence the problem with how folks perceive conservatives.
I didn’t tell anyone to shut up Ig. I don’t really care what you think about my postings. The strategy where we on the right accuse folks on the left of being un-American is a flawed strategy.
Change will come because we on the right lead with maturity and conduct ourselves with integrity. Just as soon as anyone makes a comment about this is or that is un-American the nature of the debate changes instantly from the ideals of conservativism to defending and attacking labels. In otherwords the debate is already lost.
So grow up Ig. Thinking you have the right to judge American from un-American is to grant yourself a power you do not have AND it is not only unproductive, it is hurtful to the cause.
Conservative ideals are not so weak and girly man like that it can’t take having some folks around who think like liberals and leftist. Drop the drama and the paranoia about who is or isn’t American. You sound like a off his rocker character from MASH.
“From freedom of speech to the freedom to think to the free expression”
And that includes the freedom to be a liberal leftist who disagrees with conservativism.
So just how much of conservativism does one have to embrace to be consider a true American by English or IG? Let me know maybe a multiple choice answer?
Or maybe like those red neck jokes?
You might be a conservative and therefore an true American IF you….
If the election doesn’t get rigged. I’ve often wondered as of lately…
jangar…
You do know that rigged election stuff sounds exactly like the loony left who say, still say in fact, the Supreme Court made Bush the president.
That is our difference, jsmiddleton04: You are concerned with perception and I am concerned with substance. You see the Obama/Acorn sweep as having some folks around who think like liberals and leftist.
I see it as people who are fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-American having captured two branches of the government and being poised to install in the third justices who do not believe in either blind and equal justice or in their duty to interpret rather than invent the Constitution.
Frankly, you sound to me like a GOP apparatchik, concerned with continuing to enjoy a tiny piece of the political pie for as long as possible rather than facing off with the enemy.
Oh wow. Stasi comparison to Bush. Didn’t think I’d see it, but there you go.
Then I guess you hid trembling under the table in the 90s.
Progressive: hypocrisy is thy name.
There are a million things to hate about President Bush’s costly and wrenching wars. But the fact is, in ousting Saddam in Iraq in 2003 and mobilizing the U.N. to push Syria out of Lebanon in 2005, he opened space for real democratic politics that had not existed in Iraq or Lebanon for decades.
IF you can get past the predictable BS (admittedly, a steep, stinking hill) and read what else this guy is saying, it is worth the trip, IMNHO.
Opps, the first paragraph should be in quotes, too.
My bad….
Golly.
That will live in my memory as one of the most vapid things anyone ever put in an indelible form.
The Stasi were a bundle of political beliefs, put into action. They were decidedly NOT American, nor could they be seen to be by anyone with a brain and any sense of morality.
Yes — until you get an up close look at the tactics used, you don’t quite “see” (to use your verbiage) the scary parallels. But on closer inspection, the similarities are crystal clear. And quite frightening.
Not quite (you should do a bit of research before making uniformed proclamations), but thank you for playing. And better luck next time!:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/the-echelon-myth/
Anyway, off to enjoy this beautiful night in Berlin (thank goodness all the weather reports were wrong!).
Even Clinton clammed up on Echelon, its no myth but any likelihood thinkprogress is credible is.
So, progressive: hypocrisy is thy name.
Lesse…
Relating the total BS that the Stasi and the Bush administration were “scary parellels” or something…
linking to one of the most statist blogs on earth…
and then running into the night (for which weather the global warming models for this evening got wrong)…
I dunno…
seems kinda to beg credulity to me.
But really quite typical for a leftist who can’t tell the difference between up and down, right and wrong, etc.
Its really quite simple, your country and my country have anti domestic spying laws but there’s now law we can’t spy on each other and then share the good juicy stuff we’re not allowed to gather for ourselves.
Not a myth and its really spying on every ordinary citizen, without a warrant, but that’s OK when its Clinton, not so much when its a Bush.
On June 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:
Personally, I am committed to do everything that I can in opposition — EVERYthing — at whatever cost to me and regardless of the ultimate futility of resistance. I will not go gentle into that good night.
Strong words there cowboy, you’re starting to sound as loony as your namesake. Why don’t you come from behind that Lucky Dog cart and tell us all just what is the “EVERYthing” that you’re prepared to do “-at whatever cost”.
And while you’re at it, please enlighten us as to what qualifies you to determine what is and is not American.
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Hello les,
I am glad to have you as a follower of my words. I don’t, however, offer any primers for the beginning levels of political thought.
Nor do I feel the need to justify myself to every pissant who happens along. I think if you continue to read and study, truth may come to you when you are able to handle it.
Thanks for commenting and for your questions.
Doubtfull. Once the koolaid is swallowed, there is little that can be done without a trip to the pharm for ipecac.
Which reminds me…it’s just over the top and nauseating to browse the msn homepage and see the daily links to crap such as:
Obama’s favorite salad
Obama’s favorite burger
Obama’s favorite toilet paper
Obama’s the one
Obama’s this…
Obama’s that…
Inother words, Obama could pass lunch rectally and the Obamabots would line up.
Bush doing something positive, like preserve the safety of our nation? Not so much.
Follower of your words IR, hardly. Just a casual reader having some fun with an obvious nut job.
You talk a good game. When you finally do the “EVERYthing” you boast of, please make sure that you leave some evidence that it was you, IG who did whatever you say you will do regardless of the costs. We don’t want your fellow conservatives to try to paint you as a liberal like they’re doing with that guy in DC.
Keep swallowing les. One day you’ll choke.