Michelle Malkin » Obamacare bogus statistic of the day, Pt. 2

Obamacare bogus statistic of the day, Pt. 2

By Michelle Malkin • June 16, 2009 05:50 PM

You know how the White House/CBO are now telling us that Obamacare will cost $1 trillion over 10 years?

Try $4 trillion over 10 years. And probably higher.

Philip Klein at The American Spectator un-fuzzifies the math.

They just keep pulling numbers out of their hat…and other places.

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#722409

On June 16th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, hawkeye54 said:

Try $4 trillion over 10 years. And ~~probably~~ absolutely higher.

Just had to correct it. I think there must be a zero immediately after the 4 and before comma seperating those other zeros.
#722411

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, Ragspierre said:

We can’t afford it…

Say it loud.

Say it proud.
#722414

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, conservative in europe said:

The way Blue Lips is monetizing debt, I think 4 Trillion to the 4th power will be more accurate.

Carter was an idiot who honestly thought he was doing good things. Obama seems to be the exact opposite – he can’t honestly think this financial tack is good or necessary.
#722415

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm, flmom said:

Just read on American Thinker a Cato Institute briefing paper on the Massachusetts Health Care Reform. It should be a requirement that this experiment be studied in great detail as part of the national discussion on reform. Apparently the Massachusetts plan is similar to the Obama plan. Republicans need to use it as an example of what’s in store.
#722421

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:08 pm, Member-VRWC said:

I don’t remember the last time the government overestimated on the front end what the actual cost of any of its programs was at a defined point in the future.

That would be because it’s never happened.

Government bureaucrats and politicians — masters in the art of ~~lowballing~~ lying.
#722425

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:12 pm, T-Bone said:

Figures often lie and liars often figure. Go figure.
#722427

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Ragspierre said:

Just read on American Thinker a Cato Institute briefing paper

From what little I know about this plan, it was modeled after the Swiss initiative.

It seems to have worked well for the Swiss, but it is apparent it ain’t going so well in Mass. There must be something structural here that corrupts the idea.
#722428

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, simcoe said:

All we are hearing is how this guy continues to lie to the American public, is causing us to go deeper and deeper in debt while completely ignoring foreign policy and putting this nation in harms way again. How long is this going to continue until somebody (a conservative leader) takes a stand and does something about it??
#722430

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:16 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

Some Fairy Tales are true:

Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day.
As they walk, they come across a sign:
Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world.

“I am entering!” said Snow White.
After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, “Well, how’d you do?”
“First Place!,” said Snow White.

They continue walking and they see a sign:
Contest for the strongest man in the world.

“I’m entering,” says Superman.
After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, “How did you make out?”
“First Place,” answers Superman. “Did you ever doubt?”

They continue walking when they see a sign:
Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?

“I’m entering,” says Pinocchio.
After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes.
“What happened?” they asked.

“Who the hell is Nancy Pelosi?” asked Pinocchio.

It could have be President Hussein Obama but it was not my joke.
#722433

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, Member-VRWC said:

A trillion dollars over 10 years?

We know that’s bogus because Obama can spend a trillion before he’s had his second cup of coffee at breakfast.

After all, a trillion dollars ain’t what it used to be.

Trillion became the new billion in 2008. In 2009, these guys gotta start thinking in terms of quadrillions.

Hmmmm. I wonder if even Soros can cover that.
#722434

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:18 pm, Freddy said:

Seems like the government actually created this insurance gap for the ‘near poor’ by overpaying for health care for the ‘poor’.

Maybe instead of trying to rewrite all of the healthcare rules, they should start by concentrating on fixing the medicaid and schip problems.
#722438

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:20 pm, Ragspierre said:

But you won’t be able to honestly address the toughest issues and still hold your coalition. You won’t get the kind of structural change that will bring down costs long-term. In the scrum, Congress will embrace the easy stuff and bury the hard stuff.

Which is why you have MedPAC. That’s the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission that you want to turn into a health care Federal Reserve Board — an aloof technocratic body of experts that will make tough decisions beyond the reach of politics. You can take every thorny issue, throw it to MedPac and consider it solved.

Conservatives will claim you’re giving enormous power to an unelected bunch of wonks. They’ll say that health care is too complicated to be run by experts from Washington. But you’ll say that you are rising above politics. You’ll have your (partial) health care victory.

This is the formula the fascist David Brooks wants BIG BRO to implement. The guy really is a pig and a tyrant. Brooks, I mean…
#722454

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm, right_on said:

Why, if this plan is so wonderful, and so important for the well being of the American health system, do they have to lie amount the costs?

Why does the ONE refuse to address tort reform as a major reason for high medical costs?

Why isn’t there any transparency, or open discussions about the real problems regarding health care costs?

There is no “crisis.” There are, however, problems with fraud, onerous government regulations, free access for illegal immigrants, and too many progressives controlling the reform process.

The biggest problem is government, and the unbridled support of trial lawyers by their fellow barristers in elected office.

Our message to these officials should be a unified, “Doctor, heal thyself!” Of course, history shows they are not interested in any type of healing. They are interested in confiscating another source of private sector revenue, that much is obvious.
#722455

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm, emjem24 said:

RSS, our resident socialized healthcare expert, just touted why we should give Obamacare a chance:

There will be some “fraud” and “waste” and of course it won’t be a “free” program but it will bring down costs and the USA will no longer be ranked 46th in mortality rates.

Then there’s the biggest rationale of all: let’s give the experiment a chance! It can’t suck that bad.

Obummer was right about one thing concerning healthcare: it will be a ticking time bomb for the federal government. It’s just that he left out the whole socialized medicine part of the equation.
#722456

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm, AlabamaMama said:

What amazes me is how easily this administration just throws around the word “trillion,” as though it’s just another number (which, I suppose to them, it is).
A trillion: 1,000,000,000,000. That’s a lot of zeroes.
#722458

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, right_on said:

RSS, our resident socialized healthcare expert, just touted why we should give Obamacare a chance.

Surely, our health care system is so bad, RSS gets HIS health care from Canada? Mexico? GAIA?
#722463

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm, right_on said:

A trillion: 1,000,000,000,000. That’s a lot of zeroes.

It’s not about the number…it’s just that Obama, the narcissist, likes the shape of the zero. It reminds him of…him.
#722464

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, simcoe said:

As Rush said, ‘How’s that “Hope and Change” thing work’en for ya?’

***************

Where’s the birth certificate?
#722466

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, 24Klady said:

AlabamaMama#15 says,
(this administration just throws around the word “trillion”)

That’s because Teh One can’t count. Everyday, another crisis that must be fixed. They have not even read the bills, thereby having no idea what the actual cost will be, and are simply flying by the seats of their pants on budgeting. Unfortunately, as grand as these schemes are, it’ll be double or triple what they now claim.
#722470

On June 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm, 24Klady said:

simcoe
The COLB is down the rathole, along with any discernable documentation or evidence this man ever existed before he joined Rev. Wright’s church. College transcipts? Admission papers?

Heck, I thought every guy had a best friend at some point…haven’t seen one yet surface.
#722487

On June 16th, 2009 at 7:12 pm, sonofdy said:

o/t but the GOP senator from nevada is resigning.
#722497

On June 16th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, vcallaway said:

With all the people dying each year from lack of health care, smoking, drinking, gunshots and any other scare number we should all be dead by now.

It’s a wonder they find time to complain that we are overpopulating the earth.
#722513

On June 16th, 2009 at 7:52 pm, 24Klady said:

sonofdy #21
In the Dem party, a little thing like an affair is the right of passage. Just gotta hand it to those boys. In the Repub party it’s a scarlet letter hung around your neck for all eternity.
#722516

On June 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pm, laser9999999 said:

I’ll bet ABC will be right on top of this story – I mean, it’s big news when the government underestimates the cost of a program by this much, right?

Right?

This will be REALLY big on the evening news for the next several days.

Won’t it?
#722524

On June 16th, 2009 at 8:33 pm, Living in the PSRK said:

And here, Gentle Readers, is what the Obamatrons and A$$hats in Congress want to do to healthcare in the Uninted States:

PROMISES, PROMISES: Indian health care needs unmet

BY MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer – Sun Jun 14, 9:39 pm ET

CROW AGENCY, Mont. – Ta’Shon Rain Little Light, a happy little girl who loved to dance and dress up in traditional American Indian clothes, had stopped eating and walking. She complained constantly to her mother that her stomach hurt.

When Stephanie Little Light took her daughter to the Indian Health Service clinic in this wind-swept and remote corner of Montana, they told her the 5-year-old was depressed.

Ta’Shon’s pain rapidly worsened and she visited the clinic about 10 more times over several months before her lung collapsed and she was airlifted to a children’s hospital in Denver. There she was diagnosed with terminal cancer, confirming the suspicions of family members.

A few weeks later, a charity sent the whole family to Disney World so Ta’Shon could see Cinderella’s Castle, her biggest dream. She never got to see the castle, though. She died in her hotel bed soon after the family arrived in Florida.

“Maybe it would have been treatable,” says her great-aunt, Ada White, as she stoically recounts the last few months of Ta’Shon’s short life. Stephanie Little Light cries as she recalls how she once forced her daughter to walk when she was in pain because the doctors told her it was all in the little girl’s head.

Ta’Shon’s story is not unique in the Indian Health Service system, which serves almost 2 million American Indians in 35 states.

On some reservations, the oft-quoted refrain is “don’t get sick after June,” when the federal dollars run out. It’s a sick joke, and a sad one, because it’s sometimes true, especially on the poorest reservations where residents cannot afford health insurance.

Officials say they have about half of what they need to operate, and patients know they must be dying or about to lose a limb to get serious care.
Wealthier tribes can supplement the federal health service budget with their own money. But poorer tribes, often those on the most remote reservations, far away from city hospitals, are stuck with grossly substandard care. The agency itself describes a “rationed health care system.”
The sad fact is an old fact, too.
The U.S. has an obligation, based on a 1787 agreement between tribes and the government, to provide American Indians with free health care on reservations. But that promise has not been kept. About one-third more is spent per capita on health care for felons in federal prison, according to 2005 data from the health service.

In Washington, a few lawmakers have tried to bring attention to the broken system as Congress attempts to improve health care for millions of other Americans. But tightening budgets and the relatively small size of the American Indian population have worked against them.

“It is heartbreaking to imagine that our leaders in Washington do not care, so I must believe that they do not know,” Joe Garcia, president of the National Congress of American Indians, said in his annual state of Indian nations’ address in February.
___
When it comes to health and disease in Indian country, the statistics are staggering.

American Indians have an infant death rate that is 40 percent higher than the rate for whites. They are twice as likely to die from diabetes, 60 percent more likely to have a stroke, 30 percent more likely to have high blood pressure and 20 percent more likely to have heart disease.

American Indians have disproportionately high death rates from unintentional injuries and suicide, and a high prevalence of risk factors for obesity, substance abuse, sudden infant death syndrome, teenage pregnancy, liver disease and hepatitis.
While campaigning on Indian reservations, presidential candidate Barack Obama cited this statistic: After Haiti, men on the impoverished Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations in South Dakota have the lowest life expectancy in the Western Hemisphere.

Those on reservations qualify for Medicare and Medicaid coverage. But a report by the Government Accountability Office last year found that many American Indians have not applied for those programs because of lack of access to the sign-up process; they often live far away or lack computers. The report said that some do not sign up because they believe the government already has a duty to provide them with health care.

The office of minority health at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the Indian Health Service, notes on its Web site that American Indians “frequently contend with issues that prevent them from receiving quality medical care. These issues include cultural barriers, geographic isolation, inadequate sewage disposal and low income.”

Indeed, Indian health clinics often are ill-equipped to deal with such high rates of disease, and poor clinics do not have enough money to focus on preventive care. The main problem is a lack of federal money. American Indian programs are not a priority for Congress, which provided the health service with $3.6 billion this budget year.

Officials at the health service say they can’t legally comment on specific cases such as Ta’Shon’s. But they say they are doing the best they can with the money they have — about 54 cents on the dollar they need.

One of the main problems is that many clinics must “buy” health care from larger medical facilities outside the health service because the clinics are not equipped to handle more serious medical conditions. The money that Congress provides for those contract health care services is rarely sufficient, forcing many clinics to make “life or limb” decisions that leave lower-priority patients out in the cold.

“The picture is much bigger than what the Indian Health Service can do,” says Doni Wilder, an official at the agency’s headquarters in Rockville, Md., and the former director of the agency’s Northwestern region. “Doctors every day in our organization are making decisions about people not getting cataracts removed, gall bladders fixed.”

On the Standing Rock Reservation in North Dakota, Indian Health Service staff say they are trying to improve conditions. They point out recent improvements to their clinic, including a new ambulance bay. But in interviews on the reservation, residents were eager to share stories about substandard care.

Rhonda Sandland says she couldn’t get help for her advanced frostbite until she threatened to kill herself because of the pain — several months after her first appointment. She says she was exposed to temperatures at more than 50 below, and her hands turned purple. She eventually couldn’t dress herself, she says, and she visited the clinic over and over again, sometimes in tears.

“They still wouldn’t help with the pain so I just told them that I had a plan,” she said. “I was going to sleep in my car in the garage.”

She says the clinic then decided to remove five of her fingers, but a visiting doctor from Bismarck, N.D., intervened, giving her drugs instead. She says she eventually lost the tops of her fingers and the top layer of skin.

The same clinic failed to diagnose Victor Brave Thunder with congestive heart failure, giving him Tylenol and cough syrup when he told a doctor he was uncomfortable and had not slept for several days. He eventually went to a hospital in Bismarck, which immediately admitted him. But he had permanent damage to his heart, which he attributed to delays in treatment.

Brave Thunder, 54, died in April while waiting for a heart transplant.

“You can talk to anyone on the reservation and they all have a story,” says Tracey Castaway, whose sister, Marcella Buckley, said she was in $40,000 of debt because of treatment for stomach cancer.

Buckley says she visited the clinic for four years with stomach pains and was given a variety of diagnoses, including the possibility of a tapeworm and stress-related stomachaches. She was eventually told she had Stage 4 cancer that had spread throughout her body.
Ron His Horse is Thunder, chairman of the Standing Rock tribe, says his remote reservation on the border between North Dakota and South Dakota can’t attract or maintain doctors who know what they are doing. Instead, he says, “We get old doctors that no one else wants or new doctors who need to be trained.”

His Horse is Thunder often travels to Washington to lobby for more money and attention, but he acknowledges that improvements are tough to come by.
“We are not one congruent voting bloc in any one state or area,” he said. “So we don’t have the political clout.”
___
On another reservation 200 miles north of Standing Rock, Ardel Baker, a member of North Dakota’s Three Affiliated Tribes, knows all too well the truth behind the joke about money running out.

Baker went to her local clinic with severe chest pains and was sent by ambulance to a hospital more than an hour away. It wasn’t until she got there that she noticed she had a note attached to her, written on U.S. Department of Health and Human Services letterhead.

“Understand that Priority 1 care cannot be paid for at this time due to funding issues,” the letter read. “A formal denial letter has been issued.”
She lived, but she says she later received a bill for more than $5,000.

“That really epitomizes the conflict that we have,” says Robert McSwain, deputy director of the Indian Health Service. “We have to move the patient out, it’s an emergency. We need to get them care.”

It was too late for Harriet Archambault, according to the chairman of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, who has told her story more than once in the Senate.

Dorgan says Archambault died in 2007 after her medicine for hypertension ran out and she couldn’t get an appointment to refill it at the nearest clinic, 18 miles away. She drove to the clinic five times and failed to get an appointment before she died.
Dorgan’s swath of the country is the hardest hit in terms of Indian health care. Many reservations there are poor, isolated, devoid of economic development opportunities and subject to long, harsh winters — making it harder for the health service to recruit doctors to practice there.

While the agency overall has an 18 percent vacancy rate for doctors, that rate jumps to 38 percent for the region that includes the Dakotas. That region also has a 29 percent vacancy rate for dentists, and officials and patients report there is almost no preventive dental care. Routine procedures such as root canals are rarely seen here. If there’s a problem with a tooth, it is simply pulled.

Dorgan has led efforts in Congress to bring attention to the issue. After many years of talking to frustrated patients at home in North Dakota, he says he believes the problems are systemic within the embattled agency: incompetent staffers are transferred instead of fired; there are few staff to handle complaints; and, in some cases, he says, there is a culture of intimidation within field offices charged with overseeing individual clinics.

The senator has also probed waste at the agency.

A 2008 GAO report, along with a follow-up report this year, accused the Indian Health Service of losing almost $20 million in equipment, including vehicles, X-ray and ultrasound equipment and numerous laptops. The agency says some of the items were later found.

Dorgan persuaded Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to consider an American Indian health improvement bill last year, and the bill passed in the Senate. It would have directed Congress to provide about $35 billion for health programs over the next 10 years, including better access to health care services, screening and mental health programs. A similar bill died in the House, though, after it became entangled in an abortion dispute.
The growing political clout of some remote reservations may bring some attention to health care woes. Last year’s Democratic presidential primary played out in part in the Dakotas and Montana, where both Obama and Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton became the first presidential candidates to aggressively campaign on American Indian reservations there. Both politicians promised better health care.

Obama’s budget for 2010 includes an increase of $454 million, or about 13 percent, over this year. Also, the stimulus bill he signed this year provided for construction and improvements to clinics.
___
Back in Montana, Ta’Shon’s parents are doing what they can to bring awareness to the issue. They have prepared a slideshow with pictures of her brief life; she is seen dressed up in traditional regalia she wore for dance competitions with a bright smile on her face. Family members approached Dorgan at a Senate field hearing on American Indian health care after her death in 2006, hoping to get the little girl’s story out.

“She was a gift, so bright and comforting,” says Ada White of her niece, whom she calls her granddaughter according to Crow tradition. “I figure she was brought here for a reason.”

Nearby, the clinic on the Crow reservation seems mostly empty, aside from the crowded waiting room. The hospital is down several doctors, a shortage that management attributes recruitment difficulties and the remote location.

Diane Wetsit, a clinical coordinator, said she finds it difficult to think about the congressional bailout for Wall Street.

“I have a hard time with that when I walk down the hallway and see what happens here,” she says.

You MORONS who voted these STUPID, IMMORAL PIECES OF CRAP into office can now apologize to the rest of America for being so inhumane.
#722528

On June 16th, 2009 at 8:35 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

When a loaf of bread cost a days pay of $800,000,000 a trillion won’t seem so much. Think positive-wheel barrows will be in demand and the Party Leaders will have their special commissaries.

Health care? The Party Leaders will have theirs and we will have Think Healthy signs everywhere. The proletariat can be replaced. All Power to the Soviet.
#722532

On June 16th, 2009 at 8:44 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

I don’t care what it costs as long as I can keep getting novacaine shots into my eyeballs so it don’t hurt so bad watching the late great U.S.A. go into the dumper.
#722541

On June 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pm, Joy said:

The problem is:

A TRILLION isn’t much money to people who make their living spending other people’s money!
#722547

On June 16th, 2009 at 9:37 pm, Truesoldier said:

I was just thinking that if Medicare/Medicaid does not fully reimburse doctors and the cost is passed onto private insurance then the problem will obviously get worse under Obama care to the point were the average American will not be able to afford private insurance and end up on Obama care.

I think the problem will go further. After talking to several doctors years ago when I worked security, I was told that roughly the first 5 years after medical school (or more) a doctor makes very little due to the high cost of the medical school bills. If Obama care passes would this not end up in a government bailout of doctor’s medical school bills which would ultimately put them on the hook to work for the government under Obama care forever?
#722549

On June 16th, 2009 at 9:46 pm, flmom said:

The problem is:

A TRILLION isn’t much money to people who make their living spending other people’s money!

Bingo!!!! This should be part of any Republican challenge to any more spending bills. along with Rags mantra We cannot afford it.
Obama’s whole career has been about spending other people’s money, it’s the only thing he knows.
#722553

On June 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

I just finished watching Nightly News on PBS where they presented another piece on the urgency of cutting off America’s supply of guns to the Mexican drug cartels. Lies piled on top of lies piled on top of other lies. Just keep repeating them and people either start believing them, or in this case, stop believing ANYTHING from the government.

As an investment professional, I spend most of my days wading through the cesspool of bogus government information. For instance, what happened to the $301 billion of toxic assets at Citibank? It is now $35 billion. Without unloading any of it, how can that be? They got rid of “mark to market”. They are now worth whatever Citibank (and the other banks) tell us.

Same with unemployment statistics? Oil inventories? Consumer sentiment? Is their ANYTHING we take the government’s word for?
#722573

On June 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pm, Flyoverman said:

Any statistic can be used by the Obama Administration, because the MSM never has any desire to investigate it. Their job is to promote it as fact.

They will never be called on anything.
#722585

On June 16th, 2009 at 11:59 pm, Ragspierre said:

They will never be called on anything.

Perhaps…by the MSM.

But only perhaps. There are eager young people waiting behind the roosters at the top of the heap. Maybe ambition can be more powerful than ideology.

But take heart, there is this and many other outlets, through which information will flow.

Word-of-mouth is…as always…the most powerful engine for the spread of information, and it is powerful because of who you are in relation to the people to whom you speak.

Every cur has its day. And each day has its twilight.
#722714

On June 17th, 2009 at 9:44 am, John Deaux said:

I’m beginning to think we should encourage them to spend as much as possible. That way the collapse will happen that much sooner and things can get back to normal.
#722826

On June 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am, WarEagle82 said:

This is all going to end very badly. The political class cannot stop the ruinous, ever-escalating federal spending. The Democrats cannot stop their power grab and the GOP hasn’t the backbone to effectively oppose them and frankly doesn’t really seem to want to.

We all know they are lying to us but we keep voting the same crooks back in office. And the Democrats now refuse to accept election results they don’t like.

This is all going to end very badly…
#722859

On June 17th, 2009 at 11:52 am, Dimsdale said:

How can anyone trust a guy that won’t even let his birth certificate or college grades be revealed to the public?

It must be tough to be the country’s first Affirmative Action president.

Let’s relieve him of that burden at the earliest opportunity.
#722878

On June 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, hawkeye54 said:

When a loaf of bread cost a days pay of $800,000,000 a trillion won’t seem so much. Think positive-wheel barrows will be in demand and the Party Leaders will have their special commissaries.

No worries. Wheel barrows will not be needed. Cash will simply be discontinued and outlawed. We all will get shiny new O!ATM Cards. So much better and easier for government to control our spending.
#722888

On June 17th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, WarEagle82 said:

I can see it now.

Government cashier at O!Mart: I am sorry Mr. WarEagle. You have already purchased your allotment of two slices of bread for the month. And beef is no longer on the approved food list. And based on your BMI, cross-checked from your government health records, you may no longer purchase peanut butter or other foods with hydrogenated oils. However, you do qualify for one pound of government issued Syntho-tein, the wonderful, flavorful, meat-like substitute approved by the FDA and EPA for both pets and humans. Thanks for shopping at O!Mart.

Life will be so much easier when the government makes all our decisions…

On June 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, hawkeye54 said:

No worries. Wheel barrows will not be needed. Cash will simply be discontinued and outlawed. We all will get shiny new O!ATM Cards. So much better and easier for government to control our spending.