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How soon until ‘Beltway’ Bob comes out with the administrations standard response; “What he meant to say was…”
Obummer: Let’s cite statistics and numbers even if a)they’re overstated, b)haven’t been fact checked, or c) support our case even when they’re not true.
If my program reaches fruition at the expense of our Republic (oops, that’s democracy) and truth, then no problemo.
Lies,
D@mn lies,
Statistics!
’nuff said.
A day without bho bogus statistic is a day with out sunshine. His mouth opens, bogus flows out.
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And just how many deaths per year occur at the hands of illegal aliens, Mr. President?
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I willing to come up with my own statistics. How about the 5,000,000 fabricated votes for Obama by ACORN and the Democrats.
Next, I’m sure we’ll be hearing about how many lives The One has “created or saved” with this plan.
If Obama says pigs fly then they do! Reminiscent of all those homeless children out there. You remember, the ones living with relatives…
None of their numbers are accurate or verifiable. They depend on deception and flawed perception to cram this crap through.
There isn’t a health care crisis in this country. Most of the country is very satisfied with their health care. The ones that aren’t are typically the illegal aliens who can only go to the emergency room to get free care or the dead beats who only care about health coverage when they find out they have a chronic and expensive disease.
There is no problem with the health care system. Is it too expensive? Maybe. . . but so is the new Corvette and F150.
Government involvement will make it more expensive, not less. Take the profit incentive away from the system and you won’t have people interested in policing it and creating efficiencies as you do now.
Couldn’t he just take some of the magic he’s using to save jobs and use it to save citizens, I mean residents of the US? After all, aren’t lives, except for fetuses, more important?
“Thus, it is written; thus it is so.”
Here’s a less convenient Slate article published today. It’s no wonder no one on the right wants to talk about it.
Expect a lot more of this bogus crap to be spewed by the Orifice in Chief. With no opposing view on his ABC Info-mercial, the lemmings will accept it as the Gospel accord to the Zero,
But the biggest fraud Prez O-Liar and the rest of the Dems put forth is the number of uninsured in America. They say something like 45 million. When it’s a fraction of that. And of that, they refuse to point out that critical care for these people will never be refused.
And I wonder what percentage of these people that might complain that they have no health insurance go out and spend lots of money on flat screens and new cars? That number isn’t zero.
Obama: “Who are you going to believe…ME, or your lying eyes?”
This self-appointed puppet master is incapable of telling the truth. This whole thing is designed to be the foundation for the elimination of free market medical care. It’s purpose is to wrest control of vast amounts of money currently channeled to the health care industry (doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, distributorships, etc.), and put it into the hands of greedy liberal elitists.
Government will set standards and practices that will force the free market to increase prices to pay for patient care, forcing those with little income to transfer into a government run program, effectively eliminating government competition.
A RICO investigation is called for, but with the megalomaniacs in charge, no authority will be given to proceed. 2010 cannot come soon enough. Let’s pray there’s something to salvage by then.
Health Care is not a problem. It would be less expensive if we didn’t have to care for illegal aliens. That’s what nobody wants to talk about.
We need more access so it would be better to provide public ‘free clinics’ funded with military doctors such as the VA. Have anyone who wants go there and pay a fee for services rendered.
For any system reform, we first have to have the ability to deny health care to illegal aliens. If we can’t do that, no government ‘solution’ will be any better than the current system.
Doctors and Hospitals can always just deny acceptance of the government plan and it is a non-starter. Alienate the AMA and you’ll never get any meaningful government plan ever. They are already turning Medicare patients away due to reimbursement problems.
100,000 people die each year from medical mistakes, so health care should be run by the same people who did such a terrific job running Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, the Post Office, Social inSecurity, Medicare, and Medicaid.
If Duh One said the sky is blue and the grass is green, I’d go check for myself.
When is Obama going to talk about the JOB GENERATOR that our health care system has become? Want to look at a job success story in this environment where we are desperately trying to ‘create or save’ jobs? Just look at the health care industry.
Government meddling in the health care industry will neither create nor save jobs. . . but it will likely cost jobs.
I’ll talk about it.
We do in fact have the best health care system on the planet. And like our form of government, it is the best, but it isn’t perfect.
What’s wrong with health care is the entitlement aspect of it. aka…. Medicare. That is a poorly run, cost abused horror show created by the Dems.
The other element of what’s wrong with out health care system is abused liability suits. Dems want to keep that going. Conservatives (I didn’t say republicans) want to reform the liability issue to make it more reasonable.
What right with out health care system is that it’s a free market system.
And Republicans trying to come up with their own “Reform Plan” have lost sight of the issue. They are playing politics, believing that they have to have a better “reform” package. Well… what needs to be reformed is the abuse of the existing system.
Look at Utah, Indiana and Louisiana. Those states have made progress on so-called reformed. Obama’s socialist plan will squash what they’ve done.
On the illegal thing and the cost of that…. it is well documented that illegals using ERs as their personal MD have driven some hospitals to close.
And on a recent visit to the local ER… we had to leave because the waiting room was filled with people who may in fact have been illegals. We don’t know that for sure, but it’s more likely than not that most there were not citizens.
Another product of the Lancet group?
RSS: I have lived socialist medicine, It almost killed me once. Care to ask me any questions about it? I mean I would think you might want to know something about the real system you are advocating.
LGM refuses to engage me on this, how about you???
I read it this morning.
At the prestigious Leahy Clinic outside Boston a few years back, I had to wait for FOUR HOURS with blood pressure of 240/130 while dozens of obvious illegals were treated for trivial conditions, and then released.
I wound up being admitted for a three-day stay (luckily I “dodged a bullet”, and didn’t stroke out), but I could have died in the waiting room while Pedro and Juan were being treated for their weed-whacker injuries.
Perhaps Red State can explain why that outcome is “fair”.
57 states (plus three), 10,000 dead in a tornado, “three words”, 100,000 dead in hospitals…
Oh yeah, it’s how they feel that matters, I forgot.
I posted this in another thread, but it applies here also.
This is one quote from one of the founders of the democratic party that you will not here a current member of the democratic party repeat.
here — hear
I need to proof read better.
fulldroolcup: Clearly your near stroke was racialy based.
RSS: perhaps you can explain how it was better that my grandmother waited 2 years for a replacement hip.
GO…..
Oh, my…. quite revealing. Even if both of the parties are pushing “universal healthcare” in different forms (whatever they are) and even if we’re already in a semi-socialized healthcare system now and medicaid and medicare are abused and known for their fraud/waste, it’s okay to have a fully socialized/universalized healthcare system now (at the expense of the majority of those who pay for their own insurance? Yippee!!! Isn’t our country built on pluralism? Do the majority of Americans really want this? Cite that not some moral equivalency puff piece by some second-rate liberal blog like Slate.
Was that your point? Inconvenient moral/political quandaries for both political parties? And this is revealing in what way? The Slate is as guilty of publishing old truths and moral equivalency arguments as the MSM. It’s like that same old meme you touted out that hate sex is okay for “other people” even if it degrades the culture and the reputation of conservative women.
Just like, in your view, it’s okay for the government to make medical choices for me now (which Tricare does- an inconvenient truth that liberals like you overlook) as long as we can save a couple of bucks, ration healthcare, and limit “expensive procedures” (necessary to many patients but not the system at large).
How’s that for inconvenient moral equivalencies, RSS? You can stop patting yourself on the back. I feel special too!!!
sarc off/
RSS: Perhaps you can explain why in New Zealand there is now a growing private hospital system and a private insurance industry because of the faults of socialist medicine.
GO….
I’ll talk about it, Red State Bigot.
Go.
What is “convenient” about calling into question a patently bogus statistic, BTW. Do you have good data supporting the 100k unnecessary death number? Or is it, like so many debunked BS numbers thrown around by the statists over the years, just a another lie?
From links in Red State’s link…
All of the above have worse survival rates for cancer. You know – as in medical care for cancer is much better here.
The life expectancy rate has to do with people’s choices (what and how much we eat, whether we exercise, whether we smoke) and not whether the government runs heathcare. Eat too much, get fat, die earlier – even if you have the best health insurance.
Choice, it’s what’s for dinner.
How can we have the best when we spend the highest percentage of GDP of any industrialized nation on healthcare costs, yet rank 46th in the world in life expectancy?
and expanded into the stratosphere by Republicans, corruptly I might add.
PS – I read it this morning too – a few minutes ago…aren’t time zones wonderful?
When we finally have the oh so superior Universal Health Care they want they will be able to eliminate counting the deaths of,lets say, your aunt Mabel who was denied bypass surgury on the basis of being too old to be of benefit to society. So the numbers will be much lower.
Eat too much, eat fast food, don’t exercise, die young.
Do you know why Okinawans have the longest life expectancy on earth? They eat fewer calories than most…
ALOHAGUY: it was posted yesterday.
CT scanners are more expensive than reading tea leaves?
Too bad I’m not on the other side of the date line.
Oh well… 
The US data is also skewed by some populations within our nation. Look, for instance, at infant mortality rates among American Indians (a great model for government health-care), drug abusers, etc.
Look at what kills young people most…traffic accidents (if memory serves).
I’d bet a lot of money that isn’t too big a problem in Cuber.
ALOHAGUY: How they get arround such things is they don’t have to perform 900 tests to confirm the common cold like we do here just in case they miss something. Doctors are protected from law suits in socialist medicine because the government would go bankrupt paying all the settlements. So the plan the dems are coming up with reduces the pay to doctors but does nothing to reduce thier malpractice insurance. This will drive many out of business.
Also costs are less due to the fact that they don’t have big expensive machines like CT scanners in every hospital. Those are saved for the biggest hospitals only.
How can we have the best when we spend the highest percentage of GDP of any industrialized nation on healthcare costsWe could pay an IMMENSELY lower amount if the government had not distorted the markets for health care, starting back in WWII.
Read more about it.
Let it be a market-driven system, and it would change in no time…like magic, and without the central government doing one freaking thing, except getting out of the way.
I have a hard time believing that personal choices make the difference between having the highest life expectancy in the world (which we should, since we are paying for it) and being 47th. Especially because the obesity epidemic is relatively recent and doesn’t impact that many people who have already died. And because Americans smoke less than most.
That aside, based on what objective criteria does America have the best health care in the world?
And of course Obama is against caps on settlements but is for caps on executive pay.
Go read. The data is there. Nobody has an obligation to pour this information into your feeding tube.
OKAYYYYYYY… Have another supersized hamburger fries and diet coke. Watch family guy for 4 hours and don’t worry your little head about it.
If the government feels so compelled to stick its hands into health care, why doesn’t the government buy the expensive toys (CAT, MRI, etc.) and let the medical community stumble along on its own.
My philosophy is that the government should dredge the channel and provide the buoys, but the people should steer the boat. Never let the government pilot the boat.
Which is where the shortage of doctors will come in since many of them will not be able to afford the mal-practice insurance.
I’ve given one example – death from malignant neoplasms per capita. OK, Iceland is a hair better
but we’re way better than all the ballyhooed socialist systems.
So, let me get this straight. Do you think that supposedly “free socialized healthcare” will be any less expensive when the government manages it? Have you ever been to a VA hospital? My military husband can tell you stories about all the gobs of money the government has spent on them only to have a decrepit, inefficient system. How ’bout Tricare? Care to discuss how “less” expensive or “free” it is?
Do you ever actually read what you write before you post it? Do you ever look at the mispresentations, the half-truths, that you post on this blogs as automatic, forgone “truths?” We spend a lot on healthcare in this country because of a)malpractice insurance/lawsuit abuse b) medicare/medicaid fraud/abuse, c) and “free” services to illegals. That’s why it’s expense.
Then there’s the mortality rates. Are you seriously blaming the current system for those rates? Because we don’t have a socialized system? Do you know how many people die waiting for treatment in Canada, Great Britain, etc. We rank 46th because many people refuse to take good care of themselves. People wonder why there are high diabetes/heart disease/cancer rates in the black community and I only have to look out my window to see why: Obesity.
Do you honestly think that the government controlling healthcare will bring down the mortality rate? Do you think that the government dictating what kind of healthcare a person has will automatically help that person stop shovelling McDonald’s into their pieholes or stop them from being sedentary?
No, you want the government to act as a nanny and to that I disagree.
RSS: I missed your questions on my experiences with socialist medicine.
Hangfire, I think the government has been steering the boat for a long time. They are just more blantant about today. Why anyone would think that bigger government is the answer to anything is a mystery to me.
Yes, I went to the ER with normal BP in order to count illegals and reinforce my bigotry, and voila! my BP went through the roof!!!
I got what I deserved, I guess.
On your next trip overseas, please note how skinny everyone looks compared to the fat Americans blocking the aisle at Costco while they load up their carts. They also walk more than we do.
Also, please remember that our “costs” include the MRI you can get at your nearest hospital (this year even), while “their” “costs” often do not include them – since they are unavailable. So France may spend less on medical costs than we do, but you are more likely to die of cancer in France. Which is “cheaper” from your point of view if you are sick? Which is cheaper from an economist’s point of view if you include continuing to work after surviving?
Brah, you are so right. On the other hand, I have seen some big Germans and Italians. Whew!
Republicans seem to think it will. Isn’t that why the GOP’s talking points is the public plan will necessarily beat out private insurance, because there’s no way that private insurers can compete with the government?
RSS, please list the last government program that cost less with the government in charge. Thanks.
Was Obama giving that speech? Enough said!
BTW did you know that almost every country with socialist medicine has a shortage in doctors to include Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand….
On June 16th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, JD in D.C. said:
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And just how many deaths per year occur at the hands of illegal aliens, Mr. President?
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That would be around 20 -30.
Using his powers of arithmatic and logic
RSS: You never diod address the issue of the fake numbers obama is using. I wonder why????
Really, could you possibly be THAT stupid?
Insurance companies have to make it or break it in the market-place. They can’t pass a tax to take our money. They have to do something to trade for your money, and you and everyone else HAVE to find that trade advantageous or we won’t make it.
If government subsidized one insurance company, AND prevented it from being sued (which is exactly what you get with government insurance), you can see that all other companies would be unable to compete. That is the plan, see?
Monopoly.
Have you ever studied economics? Can you tell me the definition of what “monopoly” is? It’s not good when the government does it or when the private sector does it.
Tell me, why did Teddy Roosevelt indulge in trust busting? Why were corporate monopolies not okay back in the early 20th century but a governmental healthcare monopoly is good now?
Do you honestly think that private insurers will be able to compete with the government’s healthcare if they offer it for “free?” Of course, there’s always the fine print within such a system that says that whatever you had with your private insurer you won’t have with us.
Do you honestly think that this won’t happen? That people won’t buy into if it’s free I’ll go with that even if I can’t get my MRI for a couple of months/years. People pay more for the availability of services. People get a free system (universal healthcare) but they won’t get the services they think they’re “supposed” to get. Do you think that won’t dawn on some of you Obummer accoylytes?
Please tell me you are not this naive. Why do some Scandinavians have a mixed healthcare system? Perhaps, it dawned on them that their precious government-run healthcare wasn’t all that good (because why would government workers use it)? Do you honestly think our own politicians will participate in a less-efficient, availability poor, healthcare system that they wouldn’t just rather stick on the “unsuspecting” American public.
Private insurers can’t compete with a free service unless they educate Americans as to what they’ll have to do without. You get what you pay for. If you don’t pay for it, you won’t get it. Sorry, not buying your logic.
Stop being so naive.
I get so sick and tired of the Federal Government that is responsible for the current health care system.
It was Ted Kennedy the started this whole mess back in 1978 forcing HMO’s down our throats that immediately resulted in over 2200 hospitals closing and the big insurance companies running health care instead of the private doctors.
Did you know that congress had to pass new laws or the HMO bills would have been unconstitutional?
They did exactly what Obama is doing with the car industry back in 1978 and the rest is history.
Don’t get me started on Medicare and its unconstitutional price fixing that it has gotten away with for over 20 years.
BTW-It is the federal Government that mandated emergency rooms to treat people or get fined or put out of business even if they do not need ER care.That is why they use it as their personal doctors office not because they are uninsured.
But don’t forget that Nixon was part of that cabal. Nixon, who imposed wage and price controls, was no conservative.
He, like Teddy Kennedy IS, was a fascist in terms of economic policy.
And remember, FDR was the source of the government market distortions through his wage and price controls during WWII. That was where company-provided insurance got its big start, as business found ways to offer percs instead of higher wages (which were verboten by the FDR administration).
BUT BUT that means that both parties are imperfect!!!
On June 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Ragspierre said:
Shout it from the mountain-tops…!!!
To borrow a phrase…
What’s free? You’re going to have to pay to get the public plan. If the government costs less, it’s because, it will have enormous bargaining power with hospitals (like a healthcare Walmart), won’t spend on advertising, and won’t hire ridiculous middlemen like drug reps (who let’s be honest should not have jobs).
Will there be waste? Of course, it’s the government. Will the drawbacks of government waste outweigh the benefits of the public program? Let’s find out.
There is NO reason…NONE…why health-care should not be an utterly free market.
For anyone with a pet or horse or agricultural animal, they know what a free-market health-care system looks like, and how well it works. There are no FEDERAL market distortions in veterinary medicine.
There are no FEDERAL market distortions in plastic surgery.
There are no FEDERAL market distortions in Lasik eye surgery, or other cutting-edge forms of corrective eye treatment.
Um… We did. Medicare/Medicaid. It will be broke in no time.
Your first paragraph shows you really are a complete idiot.
I’d say “perfect”, but nobody is perfect…
RRRIIIGGGHHHHTTTT
Which is why ALOT of hospitals and clinics don’t take tricare, medicaid or medicare.
We don’t need to “find out”. We can easily see examples of it in this country and world wide. I have lived it so I know ALL about it.
Ouch. RSS will “conveniently” ignore that one.
RSS has ignored everything except his talking points so far. Why would he change?
OT, but certainly related…
The market is down for the second day…
BIG
So RSS, are you saying unemployed homeless, the people whoes employer doesn’t offer insurance and illegal aliens will all be paying for thier insurance???
Really? How about those who just refuse to pay for it, will they still receive care???
Pull the other one, it plays jingle bells…
End of the suckers rally?
How do you know? Does anybody? Apparently one Dem Congressman from IL on Neil Cavuto’s show didn’t get the memo and asserted that “some” people will pay. Bargaining power? It won’t be “bargaining” it will be you will do this or else. Oh, goody, a healthcare Walmart… it’ll be just like shopping there except with new and improved sucky medical service. No advertising- of course not when everybody is on the same “plan.” No drug reps- well of course not because there will be drug rationing, just like under Tricare, so we wouldn’t want to sell a product that could save your life or extend it.
Why are you making excuses for the waste? Why is waste or fraud okay? I know- because the government is our new nanny and they would never do anything to line their own pockets. Nah. Why are you willing to bet the lives, livelihoods, and futures of millions of Americans just for your pet experiment when all we need to “reform” healthcare through simpler measures? Say, malpractice reform. Or, limits on medicare/medicaid. Or end the new drug prescription entitlement. Never needed that. How ’bout ending “free services” to illegals?
No thanks, I’m living the experiment now and it’s called Tricare. What’s Tricare, you ask? Oh, that’s right, you didn’t because that wouldn’t support any of your points.
The VA hospital and staff did kill my father. They gave him too many anti-biotics causing his bone marrow to be fibrous and quit producing blood. This caused his spleen to grow the size of a football. They then radiated him to reduce the size of the spleen causing him to become short of blood. The gave him a blood transfusion giving him hepititus, finally killing him.
I don’t want any quack the government says is qualified to tell me what treatment I MUST have PERIOD
Tricare. (n). See bad ju-ju.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=acS92O5awdhM
o/t but not suprising.
obama admits unemployment will reach over 10%
This makes his recovery plan a complete failure.
Pretty much. Never thought this anything more than temporary or momentary market exuberance. Now that GM’s hit the skids and the government is in different industries, nobody feels the confidence in participating in a market that is being manipulated by the government.
Like inflation? Factor that in.
Like unemployment? Factor in that it’s really more like 15% when you include all the people who are underemployed, stopped looking for jobs, and those who aren’t collecting unemployment. I’m one of those who quit their job (I really had no choice). It’s okay, though, I’m moving soon. Can’t wait to see how closed the job market is to military spouses in Colorado.
Lesse…
Blue-Cross/Blue-Shield are not big enough to realize the economies of scale that RSB IMAGINES will accrue to ObamaCare?
There are DISECONOMIES of scale too…
I’ve been in welfare offices, and I’ve carefully watched the treatment of the “customers” in them. They were treated by stupid bureaucrats like even more stupid children; hungry, dependent, stupid children.
Yeah, I really want that kind of “customer service” for all Americans when they are sick or hurt.
The root of this thread is about a bogus, inflated statistic regarding unnecessary deaths. Is there ANYTHING, ANYWHERE in human experience that makes us think that unnecessary deaths will go DOWN under a monopoly system run by the least accountable level of government in our system?
We are in a depression, and we still have Democrats in denial. Its the economy stupid.
Yes, because they will now be called necessary deaths.
Gosh, that’s dark…
I think Obummer’s estimate is off. Way off. I think it’s well beyond 10% now. Department of Labor’s numbers don’t account for those who are underemployed, those who’ve given up looking, and unemployed not collecting employment (because they quit).
Obummer doesn’t know what he’s doing (just like Bush didn’t) and he and his “economic experts” are making things worse. I especially love how this bufoon is pushing home ownership (still) and trying to save a lot of these people in homese they can’t afford. He hasn’t even helped the ones who are actively trying to stay in their homes and made every good faith attempt to pay their mortgages.
I have no interest in owning a home. It’s a lose-lose proposition for folks like me (and my military husband) who don’t know where they’ll be in 3-5 years. I don’t want to be stuck with a house I can’t sell or have to become a long-distance landlord to pay the mortgage.
Looking for a a rental home when you have pets is also one of those unpalatable experiences I don’t recommend. If people think that mortgage lenders are bad, try some of the more unscrupulous property management companies who’ll not only charge you a pet deposit but a monthly pet fee. Nickle and diming tenants and hard-working military families is where it’s at for these charlatans.
Home ownership is a lot of hard work and the problems with the irresponsible home owners are now filtering down to the rental market. Something that you don’t hear.
Mark Levin’s new book has a good section on Socialized Healthcare. He recounts several horror stories out of the UK.
My favorite: a guy goes to see a doctor who tells him “You’re going to have to see a specialist for that.” At the appointment a month or so later the guy goes to see the specialist… who is the SAME DOCTOR! The guy asks why didn’t he just take care of the problem then? The doctor replies that at that time he was working a shift as a generalist. NOW he’s working as the specialist.
That’s bureacracy at work!
RSS sound like he is reverse duplicating ABC’s argument that people are criticising the plan even though there is no plan. RSS is expounding on the virtues of the plan that doesn’t exist.
Lets see:
Shortage of Doctors now.
Government tells Doctors how much $ to make and what procedures they can & can not do
Prediction: Fewer people wanting to be Doctors. Why go through that trouble to make what the
garbagesanitary control man makes? Equals fewer Doctors or Doctors of questionable skills. (talk about tea leaves)45 million uninsured
Government makes 45 million more patients now covered.
Prediction: Hospitals, clinic, & offices overwhelmed with influx of new patients. Equals fewer Doctors and more patients means health care will be rationed which means health care will not always be available and when it is, the quality will be worse. People will die.
Government subsidizing health care costs equals higher taxes resulting in lower revenues resulting in higher deficits resulting in inflation. Higher taxes resulting in less money available for investing in new business resulting in fewer jobs.
Sounds like we will have worse care if we can even get it. Oh but everyone will be covered. Gotta sacrifice for the good of the whole. Some will die so that others will live. Nice plan.
Yep. I pick “all of the above”, too.
Red, tell me when the last time you drove up to Canada or got on a plane to see if the NHS in the UK could do better?
When any of you (including the trolls) can explain to me how the idea of a Civil Servant dolling out my medical privileges will be a good thing, I will put on a pink dress and dance in Times Square. There is no scenario possible where anyone employed by the US Government or contracted by it’s bureaucracy will be able to efficiently or effectively manage health care.
We already have universal health care. It’s called Medicare/Medicaid. It is a financial mess. No surprise to those of us working for Uncle Sugar already.
The USA nationalized airport security just after 9/11. Anyone remember being screeched at by the cop wannabe when waiting to catch a flight? Those same people will decide A. If you can see a doctor and B. Which doctor it will be. Lucky you, the doctor we have for you today graduated in the top half of his class from “Big Jim’s Doctorin’ School” in Hermosillo. He passed the US Medical exams because we had to lower them to be fair to all those folks who were excluded from real medical schools – a couple were minorities so affirmative action came in to play. All those elitist jerks who financed their own education at real schools by working two jobs for 8 years went in to private practice – outside of the United States.
I’ve been 20 years in Government Service. The US Government, as a rule, determines the level of incompetence it will allow to do a particular job and considers that the fully successful level. Letting someone like this determine your medical path is like allowing a third grader to pack your parachute.
But he “beleives” it will be better. No proof.(other than “Sicko, the movie”) His theoretical musings have him thinking that it will work. Everyone else who failed at it only failed because they didn’t do it right. He will do it right by learning from their failure. When it doesn’t, he will say nothing is perfect which is what we are saying about the current system. Also, he will blame Boooosh.
In this case ‘free’ is a disguised number. A federal program will have a tax payer back door to congressional funding outside of any premiums collected. While an individual consumer might look at the ‘cost’ to them for the government program, what they will not directly see is the underlying cash added to that program by congress. It is this unaccountable bucket that makes a private insurers premium higher. A private insurer has to actually account for the money, they cannot simply go bust like a government operation (AMTRAK) and ask someone else for more cash. This is one of the reasons Obama has a multi-trillion dollar price tag on this. If this federally run competitive insurer was real, it would not need any money from the federal government.
As for government bargaining, the federal government is by far the worst failure of a negotiator in the world. Look no farther than the military appropriations for clearly documented ‘issues’. And no, the military is not unique in negotiating failures, just a bit easier to see the effects when looking at common items.
Government waste is a basically unaccountable bucket. Look at Joe Biden, mentioning that ‘losing 50 billion in stimulus funds is to be expected’. Only a government employee could think such incompetance is normal. And by Joe’s logic, we should expect hundreds of billions to be lost by this new government health care disater.
If you are a white male and over 40, nobody in the corporate or Government will hire you. My brother who is highly educated and was let go by the bean counters, has been unemployed for 5 years.
He now is running his own computer repair shop out of his garage and anything else he can fine to do because he could not get anyone in the corporate 500 to hire him. He has two computer degrees.
It’s obvious that you don’t understand the issue or plan at all.
Wait a minute….what plan? How do you know what the plan is…there is no plan.
I’m sorry to hear that, Scotty. Does he think it’s age discrimination? Or making room for somebody with “personal” connections or is an inexperienced doofus who they can pay less of a wage?
You think that’s bad, try being a military spouse with two degrees. I’ve worked in a variety of industries but my original area of expertise is teaching. I heard, from a lot of fellow substitute teachers (of which I was one) that school districts won’t take my Master’s, that they will always hire a BA recipient before one with a Master’s. It’s cheaper, even if it’s a disservice to the kids who need more experienced teachers.
So, being a military spouse is the ultimate career killer for some industries. Most people won’t hire me because I’m a “transient.” A lot of these employers either willingly ignore or just don’t know that the average employee stays at any one job, on average, for 3 years.
Higher education doesn’t always ensure a successful career.
Judging from the pounding he’s taking here I think RSS ought to get in touch with his long-lost twin lgm to learn where he buys KY Jelly in bulk.
They are off licking their wounds and getting more direction from their masters at Daily Kos, Huffpo, and Moveon.org.
No one told them they would look like fools when they spouted the talking points they were given. They are easily refuted and they can’t understand why. They are refreshing their propaganda cells along with their browsers.