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1. #1
   On June 18th, 2009 at 10:49 am, JammieWearingFool said:

   I suspect a man with such expertise as Stossel will not be pre-approved by King Obama.

2. #2
   On June 18th, 2009 at 10:57 am, sonofdy said:

   He actualy knows what he is talking about???

   Well the ONE can’t have that.

3. #3
   On June 18th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Ragspierre said:

   On June 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am, Ragspierre said:

   I’m betting that the Ankle-grabbing Break-over Channel won’t let John Stossel anywhere near a camera or microphone that night.

   He’d murder BIG BRO’s BS in fifteen minutes.

4. #4
   On June 18th, 2009 at 10:58 am, corkie said:

   I don’t think they’re not going to let Stossel get anywhere near one of Obama’s projects.

   Seriously, they want propaganda NOT analysis.

5. #5
   On June 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am, spaceycakes said:

   As he says: ‘get a shovel’ when someone comes to you & says ‘healthcare for all!’

6. #6
   On June 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am, ctmom said:

   Will Fox be running anything in opposition worth watching?

7. #7
   On June 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am, GraniteMan said:

   Stossel will be sent to Palau to cover residents welcoming of the Gitmo detainees that night.

8. #8
   On June 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am, Ragspierre said:

   Shoot, maybe FOX could have a guest panel and invite Stossel, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams.

   That’d work…!!!

9. #9
   On June 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am, englishqueen01 said:

   Will Fox be running anything in opposition worth watching?

   I don’t know, but I think they should.

   Not only include Stossel, but the people who actually LIVED with socialized medicine who waited for, or have been denied, coverage.

10. #10
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am, Flyoverman said:

    Stossel would destroy their talking points, so that is not going to happen. ABC wants access and to counter The One would end that.

11. #11
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    They are not going to allow any dissent. They won’t be questioned by anyone.

    NEW CAMPAIGN: BLOCK ABC

    I think there should be an all out campaign for people to block the Obama/ABC socialism infomercial.

12. #12
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am, flmom said:

    Stossel would destroy their talking points, so that is not going to happen. ABC wants access and to counter The One would end that.

    You’re right, ABC don’t want to end up like Fox. The one station The One won’t grace with his presence.

13. #13
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am, reshas1 said:

    I’m done with ABC, I will never watch another of their news shows again, the left always complains about Fox, they say faux, I say ABC is faux news..

14. #14
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am, taylork said:

    Health Insurance ought to be like care insurance, pick what you want based on your risk tolerance, what you want to be covered for, and how much your willing to dole out for a copay.

    Why should I pay for the ability to have cheap dentures if I brush my teeth and floss twice a day? Why be covered for diabetes if I’m in good shape and have no family history?

    If you want to lower the cost of premiums let people select what they want to be covered for, rather than have government tell people what they need.

15. #15
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:11 am, corkie said:

    Surely they know that this could backfire on them. It’s very possible that the public will conclude that this plan needs a one-sided pitch because it’s so bad.

    I don’t think JQ Public is able to understand the poor economics plan, but I definitely think they might become suspicious of this infomercial.

    Is there any benefit of labeling this thing an infomercial?

16. #16
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am, taylork said:

    All that’s missing from this ABC infomercial is Billy Mays shouting at you.

17. #17
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am, vsatt said:

    I think the administration should conduct it’s own case study of governemnt-run healthcare and let Hillary Clinton go through Canada’s system for her elbow surgery.

18. #18
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:14 am, corkie said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am, taylork said:

    All that’s missing from this ABC infomercial is Billy Mays shouting at you.

    Can anyone photoshop a still of Billy Mays hosting Obama’s healthcare infomercial?

19. #19
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am, stillontheroad said:

    corkie said:

    I would rather have Vince, the Shamwow guy –

20. #20
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:18 am, Ragspierre said:

    The only time I watch an ABC news program is when Stossel has a segment. I T-vo it and just watch Stossel.

    ABC = The SHAM–OW! network

21. #21
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am, flmom said:

    All that’s missing from this ABC infomercial is Billy Mays shouting at you.

    Too true, except he’ll be yelling “Wow- Sham!”

22. #22
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Author P.J. O’Rourke said it best: “If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free.”

    How true.

    And I recently had a conversation with some friends about health care. In the group was a Canadian friend of mine. He had surgery a couple of months ago. He went on to say.. “Yeah, I had this knee work done and it didn’t cost me a dime!”

    So I asked, “How much of you paycheck do you keep?”

    Answer… “enough”

    My reply… “your surgery wasn’t free dude.”

    crickets…..

    and so the subject changed to something less volatile.

23. #23
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am, babbledabble said:

    It wouldn’t do any good to have the opposing views on Fox that night. They’d be preaching to the choir. The Obama-droolers are not going to watch Fox. They will be watching ABC & drooling.
    The only way to get his adoring fans to watch Fox is to put HIM on Fox & then we’d have to turn off Fox too.

24. #24
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:29 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Governments ratchet down health-care costs in different ways. Doctors went on strike last year in Germany because their government’s system pays them less than they thought they deserved and forces them to work thousands of hours of unpaid overtime.

    How about that? A socialist gov’t practices slavery. I wonder when Obama will institute slavery for doctors and other white collar professionals. I’d bet Barry would love this and would see it as “payback”.

25. #25
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    What will happen with health care is similar to what happened to public education. Everyone will be required pay into the public system but those with the means will pay for quality private health care out of their own pockets. Everyone else will be forced to wait in line for rationed low-quality health care. Get used to 12-month waits for maternity care.

26. #26
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am, stillontheroad said:

    What someone needs to hammer home is, Why are the Unions exempt from Obamee care?

27. #27
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Get used to 12-month waits for maternity care.

    Bah. Just force us all to contracept or sterilize the undesirable folks then you don’t have a problem. Much cheaper than allowing us disgusting breeders to actually have kids.

28. #28
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am, stillontheroad said:

    englishqueen01:

    I keep having visions of something I researched a long time ago– The T-4 program.

29. #29
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am, cheapseat said:

    stoessel generally has balanced cogent perspectives, and would be a great moderator for this farce. but the real answer is the fox lineup that same night, and it should balance the obama propoganda with who pays reality tv. if the public thinks that healthcare insurance should be paid by employers, they are facing a rude awakening, and need to get in line for the next available gubmint job. small employers are being forced out of the market (my co. coverage was raised 41% this next year starting next month) because of preexisting conditions which everyone has. My co’s health insurance bill is over $1000 per month per person. if obama can pass this socialized medicine plan, i will be the first one out of the private and into the public insurance domain. i’m sure i won’t be alone.

30. #30
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    Block ABC

    Block Obama

    Block government run healthcare

    Block socialism

31. #31
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am, John Deaux said:

    I think Billy Mays and Vince Offer (ShamWow guy) have too much integrity to be seen anywhere near Obamacare. They hawk products that actually work.

32. #32
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am, Ragspierre said:

    Simply tell your friends, family and neighbors…

    We can’t afford it…

    Americans already are feeling very uncomfortable about where we are economically. This will resonate with them.

33. #33
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    What will happen with health care is similar to what happened to public education.

    That’s a possibility Phil and essentially, I think you’re correct. Especially with regard to how illegals are handled. It used to be the case that you had to prove you lived in the area served by a given public school system and that you had to prove you were a citizen and were immunized. That’s out the window. All you need to prove in most areas now is that you have a pulse.

    But I think there are differences that will make the health care situation vastly worse than public education. And given the state of public education…. that’s not a good thing.

    First, the impact on medical and pharmaceutical research is going to be devastating. Just look at what happened to vaccine development in the US, albeit for different reasons. It’s almost non-existent. But it’s an example of how easily an industry can be crippled.

    Second, the quality and number of doctors in the US will dwindle. Given the commitment med students must make and what’s at the end of that tunnel with ObamaCare, there will be fewer people wanting to enter the medical field. And this has already started in large part because of Medicare and Medicaid but also because of the Dems unwillingness to reign in nonsensical medical liability lawsuits.

    Third, I believe the cost to the public will be far more for than is spent on education. And the resulting service will be mush poorer.

    We should hope that Republicans have the numbers and the spines to filibuster ObamaCare until the cows come home. In fact, Dems need some pay back… Anywhere they can, especially with Sotomayer, they should obstruct the left. Let them know there are consequences for all those Bush nominations they refused to allow.

34. #34
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am, sonofdy said:

    Well more news from the socialist medicine world.

    The wait for heart surgery in New Zealand is now 64 days

    http://infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?l=1&t=0&id=20186

35. #35
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am, Socky said:

    What do you guys think? Does ABC News know they are nothing but a propaganda mouthpiece for the Obamacrat party? Or, are they so deluded they actually think they are still a news organization?

36. #36
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Ragspierre said:

    Simply tell your friends, family and neighbors…

    We can’t afford it…

    Americans already are feeling very uncomfortable about where we are economically. This will resonate with them.

    That’s exactly right. And it’s astonishing and telling when you see how badly Obama and the left want so shove this through any way they can. We’re in the middle of a recession and they’ve already exceeded the budget deficit of the last 8 years in just 6 months. And they STILL want to spend another 2 or 2 TRILLION of our tax dollars… I mean… Of China’s Loans… on some socialist health care system that we don’t need.

    We absolutely can’t afford it. Obama has already driven mortgage rates up by 1 percent. Expect to see early 90′s 10% plus rates soon. Thanks to Obama’s massive borrowing.

37. #37
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am, Ragspierre said:

    Socky, Linda Douglas is a ABC reporter who quit to join THE ONE as his flack for health care reform.

    This isn’t even in question. They are all in bed together. Inbred at a level that would make an Arkansas chicken farmer blush…

38. #38
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Jvette said:

    Government health care will open the door for complete control of everything.

    There’s an old saying, those with the gold, make the rules.

39. #39
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:57 am, Ragspierre said:

    http://townhall.com/cartoons/2009/06/17/6

40. #40
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:57 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Socky said:

    What do you guys think? Does ABC News know they are nothing but a propaganda mouthpiece for the Obamacrat party? Or, are they so deluded they actually think they are still a news organization?

    I think it’s both. I think they are happy to be Obama’s mouth piece because they believe they are “right”. But I think they also believe they can claim to be a news organization because the ends justifies their means.

    What they don’t realize is that they are being used by the politicians on the left.

41. #41
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am, taylork said:

    Can anyone photoshop a still of Billy Mays hosting Obama’s healthcare infomercial?

    
    As good as I can do with my limited photoshop skills.

42. #42
    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am, Old Tanker said:

    I’ve often wondered how Stossel could still be on an MSM channel. You would have figured a reporter that makes as much sense as him would be covering bake sales at the local little leaque baseball game……

43. #43
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm, Old Tanker said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am, taylork said:

    Good one!!!!!

44. #44
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Well done taylork.

45. #45
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Old Tanker said:

    I’ve often wondered how Stossel could still be on an MSM channel. You would have figured a reporter that makes as much sense as him would be covering bake sales at the local little leaque baseball game……

    He’s their “beard”.

46. #46
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, greenfairie said:

    John Stossel must be like that guy in “Office Space” who was consigned to the basement and banned from office birthday parties because nobody had the courage to tell him he’d been fired. How he’d managed to remain on ABC lo these many years is nothing short of a miracle.

    In this instance, ABC News sold out to bask in His Royal Majesty’s glow. No dissent is tolerated in The One’s kingdom. It’s too bad, because I’d pay to see Stossel debate Obama on government-run socialist health care.

47. #47
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Jvette said:

    There’s an old saying, those with the gold, make the rules.

    Only after “them with the guns” take the gold away from them.

48. #48
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, dan708 said:

    John Stossel is bright, articulate and thinks for himself. Those are three reasons why he has not a hope in Hades of getting this assignment.

49. #49
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm, Jvette said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    phil, that is one of my fears, it may come to that.

    This administration and all the liberals who have hungered for this power for so long will not brook any dissent or any opposition or anyone trying to slow down their grasping for full and complete control.

50. #50
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm, b-cat said:

    It’s just the law of supply and demand. Lowering prices increases demand. Lowering the price to nothing pushes demand through the roof.

    You’ve lost most liberals with that statement. They have no capacity for the understanding of economics or how things work in general. Next you’ll be trying to explain how fixing prices create shortages.

51. #51
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm, vinny said:

    While I agree with the main message in this article, some of the complaints sited are frivilous. Specifically what is the big deal about changing sheets daily? How many here change their sheets every single day? Of course you need clean sheets when one patient leaves and another one takes his spot, but do you really need to change the sheets every day if it is the same person and these sheets are not soiled? In the many American hospitals, the sheets will not be changed unless there are good reasones, like to ones I mentioned above. You also need some specifics about what he was refering to when he mentioned long wait lines for hospital admission. I doubt that you will wait anywhere in this world all that long if you need a surgery for acute appendicitis. This story about a lottery to select who will get to see the town doctor sounds very strange. If only one person is selected each day, what does this doctor with his time.
    Required insurance coverage of hair plugs or accupuncture is ridiculous in my mind, but others might have a different opinion. Overall I agree that we should let people decide what policy coverage they want and get rid of mandated requirenments if the person who uses that policy doesn’t want them.

52. #52
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    I’d pay to see Stossel debate Obama on government-run socialist health care.

    Yawn. No contest. Since….

    John Stossel is bright, articulate and thinks for himself.
    

    TEH ONE is not so bright, inarticulate and has the teleprompter do the thinking for him.

    Betcha TEH ONE could take Stossel in a flyswatting match though.

53. #53
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, b-cat said:

    Specifically what is the big deal about changing sheets daily?

    See, there are these things called germs. They are very, very, very, very small. They can multiply very, very quickly and can make people very, very sick. People who have some of the more dangerous germs go to those hospital places. There they are seen by doctors who then are going to come in and touch you.

54. #54
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    This all relates to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party purchases…

    Paraphrasing former Congressman Bob McEwen:

    Let us suppose you are going to buy something with your own money and plan to use it yourself. This is called a “first party” purchase. You care about both price and quality and you use your money for the maximum benefit. You want the most bang for your buck.

    Now let’s suppose you are going to buy something to give to someone else. This is a “second party” purchase. You still are concerned about the price since you are paying for it, but you are not quite as concerned about the quality since you are not the end user. The further removed that person is from the end user, the more flexible one becomes on the issue of quality. That is human nature.

    It is also a “second party” purchase if you are buying something to use it yourself, but with someone else’s money. You care about the quality, but not the price (because you aren’t paying for it, someone else is).

    A “third party” purchase is purchasing something that you will not use or consume with money that is not yours. You will not be concerned about the price, because it is not your money and you are flexible about the quality, because you aren’t the end user. By definition, all government purchases are “third party” purchases, made with money that is not theirs to buy something that they will not consume. Therefore, there WILL be waste in government spending. There will be waste in the highway department; there will be waste in the defense department. That is one reason why our founding fathers established a limited federal government knowing that the government should do only what we cannot do for ourselves.

    Many of the problems with the healthcare system today are due to it currently being a second-party purchase.

    Changing it to a first-party purchase (as recommended by John Stossel and many commenters here) will help improve things.

    Changing it to a third-party purchase (as desired by the socialist left) will only make things WORSE.

55. #55
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Sent my polite opinion to ABC.

    Thanks for the link Michelle.

56. #56
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    OT, but very good news, and another sign of the success of OPERATION OVER-REACH…

    The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has now taken up the issue [of the dismissal of the cases aganist the NBPP thugs] and sent a letter to Loretta King, Acting Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division, demanding an explanation. By a vote of 4-0 (with one member abstaining for reasons not yet clear), the Commission members voted to send the letter seeking to get to the bottom of this.

    Marching to the tipping point…

57. #57
    On June 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, Ragspierre said:

    By definition, all government purchases are “third party” purchases, made with money that is not theirs to buy something that they will not consume.

    There is an important set of exceptions to that very sound generalization.

    The political class does make purchases for their own consumption, and in those cases the cost is immaterial, and they always chose to provide themselves top-end goods or services. See “Congressional health-care”.

    Perhaps you can think of other examples…?

58. #58
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, b-cat said:

    The political class does make purchases for their own consumption, and in those cases the cost is immaterial, and they always chose to provide themselves top-end goods or services. See “Congressional health-care”.

    That falls under another category, the one where you are spending someone else’s money on oneself. Then you are concerned about quality but not price. I was told this was all said by Milton Friedman, hence the brilliance.

59. #59
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, By Choice said:

    I’m going to tivo the whole thing BUT the only part I’m going to watch is the commericals. I want to know who is paying for this. I will then tell whoever the sponsors are that I will NOT any longer buy their products. I will pass the list on to every person I know and put it on every web site I can find–starting with the Huffpo. I will vote with my dollars and that is the only thing that those corps know. If they think Obama has power wait until we, the people, start exercising our dollar power. I have sent the same to ABC–like they care!! They will!!

60. #60
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, b-cat said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, By Choice said:

    Please let us know who they are as well.

61. #61
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Will this be another example of right wing hysterics of something that can’t be fair, but turns out to be so? See Gwen Ifill moderating last years VP debate.

    I grew up watching Peter Jennings, and I occasionally turn on World News Tonight. Their MO is: broadcast White House strategy; broadcast Republican talking points in opposition (no progressives need apply); repeat.

    They’re the network of Jake Tapper, approved by none other than Rush Limbaugh.

    They’re also the first branch of the mainstream media outside Fox to bring Bill Ayers to light (of course, no word on Gordon Liddy).

62. #62
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, vinny said:

    B-cat, you really believe that if the sheets are changed daily, the doctors will not spread germs around?
    If the doctor doesn’t wash the hands, wear gloves, and cleans the stethoscope in between each patient, these germs will travel. How often do you change your sheets at home?

63. #63
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Red State Bigot said:

    Nobody cares.

64. #64
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    At last Obama has a “shovel-ready” plan. 6 feet of shoveling for the patients who had to wait too long.

65. #65
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    How often do you change your sheets at home?

    Normally right after the sick stranger was in my bed and before I get in…

66. #66
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, b-cat said:

    B-cat, you really believe that if the sheets are changed daily, the doctors will not spread germs around?

    Germs will spread, not just by doctors. Sanitation is part of the process of combatting this. I can’t believe someone doesn’t understand this.

    They mop floors and clean the bathrooms daily in a hospital, too. I don’t do that at home either. Then again, I don’t live in a hospital.

67. #67
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, sonofdy said:

    RSS said: They mentioned bill ayers so they are hard right propogandists.

    Thus proving himself an idiot.

    Your dedication to your leader and ability to ignore facts in front of your face would have made the nazi party proud in 1939.

68. #68
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    You also need some specifics about what he was refering to when he mentioned long wait lines for hospital admission. I doubt that you will wait anywhere in this world all that long if you need a surgery for acute appendicitis.

    Ignorance is dangerous. You can wait weeks for emergency surgery. You can wait years for “elective” surgery, and it’s the government who decides that it’s elective. Really, no personal offense meant but you need to get up to speed.

69. #69
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, vinny said:

    BTW, about government run health care. In Russia, there are hospitals with no running water. What do you think happens in these hospitals….people go there to die. I just wish that people used better examples to argue against this obamacare.

    If there is no other standard of practicing medical care for people to aspire to, the standard of care will go down. Lets socialize plumbing. If your pipes burst, then you will need to call a government worker who will assign a number to your work claim. Then you wait. Sounds ridiculous? Why would socializing medicine be any different….That might be an effective example. Another would be: you have cancer? You need to wait. Oh it spread before your number was called? Sorry, the automated complaint office is 555-1111. Another example: Your kidneys are bad and you need dialysis? How old did you say you were? Sorry, you are too old. You want to pay for this service yourself? I am sorry but you just have to wait in line and I am not allowed to accept money. You could travel to the US and find a doctor there,….never mind.

    -These are real examples from Canada, UK,…

70. #70
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, right_on said:

    Trying to get an objective view from CBS in their reporting of anything about The Wonderful Wizard of AWE, is much like trying to have a substantive conversation with any dyed-in-the-wool liberal. It is, and will always be fruitless.

    Myopia, or if you prefer, tunnel-vision is not prescriptively correctable when one refuses to see a doctor…unless that doctor is on the government payroll. In that case, you’ll get a diagnosis stating that, “there is nothing wrong with your eyes.” Not said in that diagnosis, is that the problem is with the brain’s perception.

    You may expect that perception to change when Rosie O’Donnell, and other porcine ideologues grow wings, and take to the skies! Not bloody likely!

71. #71
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm, sonofdy said:

    Vinny, I have heaps of stories from when I lived int New Zealand.

    The wait for heart surgery is now 69 days. SIXTY NINE DAYS. But when the trolls see information like this they simply ignore it.

72. #72
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, vinny said:

    sonofidy and aloha, I do not disagree with you in that if you want to pay for speedy care, you should have that option. And I agree with you that you can get faster care in the US, than in other parts of the world. I just didn’t think that the examples sited in that article were clear and effective. Perhaps they were perceived as more effective by other readers than by me.

73. #73
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ignorance is dangerous. You can wait weeks for emergency surgery. You can wait years for “elective” surgery, and it’s the government who decides that it’s elective. Really, no personal offense meant but you need to get up to speed.

    A few years ago, I put a shard of broken glass through my hand that severed nerves to three of my fingers. It required emergency surgery to re-attach the nerves. Because that kind of surgery is classified as “plastic surgery”, my insurance company rejected the claim as being “elective”. I was facing at least $60,000 of bills and because the surgery was necessary for me to regain normal use of my hand, I fought them and prevailed.

    Who knows how the the government would have handled my case. I might still be waiting for a prosthetic hand (or arm).

74. #74
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm, right_on said:

    Will this be another example of right wing hysterics…

    Stop. Your constant projection on this blog is getting old.

    Conservatives are known for taking time to analyze, discuss, and compromise. Liberals, especially liberals in power, tend to be the ones constantly declaring emergencies, crises, and doomsday scenarios. Phrases like,

    “we must act now,”

    “there may never be another ‘opportunity’ like this to affect change,”

    “old people will die, if this isn’t immediately passed,”

    and my personal favorite,

    “it’s for the children!”

    Contrast that with the conservative view that logical, intelligent thought needs to be practiced in order to get things right the first time.

    Logical, intelligent thought and discussion is lost once hysterical liberal ideologues get to control the process.

75. #75
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Attention fellow liberals who want health care reform: You are in danger of losing the fight for universal health insurance. And it’s not only–or even primarily–because of the public plan.

    It’s because of the money.

    Liberal Jonathan Cohan

    There you go…

    We can’t afford it….

76. #76
    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, stillontheroad said:

    RSS Blathered:

    Those Dailey Kook mindless talking points are old.

77. #77
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Conservatives are known for taking time to analyze, discuss, and compromise. Liberals, especially liberals in power, tend to be the ones constantly declaring emergencies, crises, and doomsday scenarios.

    What an interesting week to be defending conservatives generally.

78. #78
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The Red State Bigot has reminded us that he has fellow travelers in the Republican Party.

    Duh…

    The difference is that racism is an institutional, structural component of statism in America,…

    whereas the racists in the conservative movement are pariahs and out-liers.

79. #79
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:16 pm, Jvette said:

    Who has defended any of your examples?

    When have you condemned liberals for their bigotry or sexism?

    This debate is about a federal takeover of yet another element of American society and private industry, please, if you can, debate the issue at hand with salient liberal ideas rather than trying to silence the debate with this garbage.

80. #80
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Red State Skeptic Spewed:

    Liberal Dolt! When will we a Liberal apologize for what was done to Condi Rice Eh!! When will see all those individual tax cheats appointed to cabinet posts, Charley Rangel, Cold Cash Jefferson brought to trial in a timely manner and that toad Nancy Lugosi taken to task for her remarks. How bout the firing of inspectors for uncovering graft and misspent funds and the reason is slanderous at best?

81. #81
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pm, sonofdy said:

    The Red State Bigot seems to be unable to address the example I gave of socialist medicine delaying heart surgery for 69 days.

    Instead he was to point out a few people who did nothing worse that what letterman did. Oh and RSS defended hiom.

    BTW RSS Do you require anymore examples of socialist medicine??

    Here is one. My grandmother had to wait 2 years for a new hip after she broke her hip. TWO YEARS..

    Need more???

82. #82
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    If ABC was really interested in an unbiased presentation of healthcare options, they would be soliciting and encouraging inputs from all responsible sources. The fact that the RNC had to beg for time and was then rejected shows that this is nothing but an Obama propaganda show.

    By the way, went to the Olive Garden website and thanked them for pulling their letterman ads and, thereby, defending decency and civility.

83. #83
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, Misscheryl said:

    but, but, but, doesn’t Obama believe “debate is a good thing,” He said as much just recently when he gave a speech to the AMA.

84. #84
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, Ragspierre said:

    OT, but…

    Isen, White House Obamamob lawyer hatchet man called the firing of Mr. Walpin, “An act of political courage”.

85. #85
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, right_on said:

    What an interesting week to be defending conservatives generally.

    Brilliant argument…uh, no! Generally? Heh.

    The liberal lambastes conservatives for generalizing issues, but you seem to engage in that practice non-stop. I guess I could respond by mindlessly blathering in generalizations about your defense of liberals, who are clearly leaning towards supporting tyrannical fascism, but I won’t. I will practice tolerance, diversity, and accept that some “special” people need to be responded to with more patience, and understanding.

86. #86
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pm, flmom said:

    but, but, but, doesn’t Obama believe “debate is a good thing,” He said as much just recently when he gave a speech to the AMA.

    He was talking about the Iran model of debate.

87. #87
    On June 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pm, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    but, but, but, doesn’t Obama believe “debate is a good thing,” He said as much just recently when he gave a speech to the AMA.

    Of course there can be debate. We can debate over what to name the plan, we can debate over the name of the new government agency to manage the plan, we can debate what buildings the agency will occupy …

    /sarc off

88. #88
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm, babbledabble said:

    Someone should ask Obama about this!

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/06/18/obamas-senior-moment

    it is exactly as I fear.

    Or is this just “scare tactics” from the right? sarc/

89. #89
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:09 pm, Misscheryl said:

    2:27 pm, Ragspierre said:
    OT, but…

    Isen, White House Obamamob lawyer hatchet man called the firing of Mr. Walpin, “An act of political courage”.

    Oh now that’s funny. Obama and his cronies wouldn’t know courage if it slapped them in the face.

    Obama courageous?

    BAAAWWWAAHHHAAAAAAAAA!! He’s a weeenie.

90. #90
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Misscheryl said:

    FYI – Obama’s spread is down to +2 today….he’s tanking.

91. #91
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 18th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, vinny said:
    sonofidy and aloha, I do not disagree with you in that if you want to pay for speedy care, you should have that option.

    So what do you think will happen when there are only 5 spots for open heart surgery and a very rich person is 6th in line? Someone you love who happens to be fifth in line will wait because the right palm was greased.

92. #92
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, Misscheryl said:

    RSS – thanks for linking the picture of all the presidents. I loved it – hahahahaha!!!!

93. #93
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:25 pm, sonofdy said:

    Someone you love who happens to be fifth in line will wait die because the right palm was greased.

94. #94
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, vinny said:

    John,
    Are you arguing that medical treatment is a right? If that is your argument, then you should support government management. I think pasadena phil has the best example so far. If this was canada, you wouldn’t get to see the plastic surgeon and your hand would be essentially useless right now.

95. #95
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    I wonder if ABC will allow Stossel to breathe on syllable in opposition to Obama’s policies when they have put the United States in an unstoppable tailspin to ruin. When doom is staring them in the face, I wonder if they’ll finally dispense with the glowing propaganda about how THE ONE is leading us toward happy days and glad tidings of great joy.

96. #96
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, vinny said:

    also john, if you want the government option, person number 1-5 will not get their heart surgery either because there will not be a facility capable of doing it.

97. #97
    On June 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pm, JustAThought said:

    Wait a minute!! These are actual words he BELIEVES? A member of the MSM and employee of the All Barack Channel? He actually said/wrote this? Does his employer know he said this? Astounding! Absolutely astounding. Good Lord, there may be, just may be, hope for us yet.

98. #98
    On June 18th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, love2rumba said:

    RSS, Gwen Ifill was already exposed by the likes of Ms. Malkin et al for Ifill’s one sidedness for Obama (when it was Hillary vs. Obama) and other conmmnents she had already made before she came up to the VP debate between Sarah Palin and Joseph Biden.

    You are being -in this case- selectively ignorant..

99. #99
    On June 18th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Ragspierre said:

    love2rumba said:

    RSS, Gwen Ifill was already exposed by the likes of Ms. Malkin et al

    And don’t forget about her vested interest in the form of her book on THE ONE…

100. #100
     On June 18th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, John Deaux said:

     On June 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, vinny said:

     I can’t imagine how you would get my post as anything but opposition to government care and rationing, but okay.

     When the supply of available surgeons, operating rooms, and hospital beds decreases due to government run health care, people will accept bribes to allow access to limited resources. People with money will still be able to get the same level of care as they are now, but the middle class on down will take a back seat due to their inability to bribe.

     That’s the inherent danger of the government plan. They will allow “supplemental” insurance, etc. The really well off haves will still have, but the ranks of the have nots will swell.