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1. #1
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:07 am, moc23 said:

   When Iraq was struggling in it’s democratic infancy (it still is), Iran was,(and still is) doing it’s utmost to disrupt and undermine the process. Time for the US and Iraq to do more than give vocal support, to the opposition of the Theocracy ?

2. #2
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:10 am, no2pcbs1 said:

   the protesters are courageous, but then again when fighting for what one believes in takes courage. a shame this administration doesn’t have any, and even if it did it would be looking for someone to give it to since courage also makes one take responsibility. that said, zero and his crew would rather be cowards.

3. #3
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:11 am, Ragspierre said:

   Obama is playing the Nero role.

   Fiddling with American freedoms and our economy while the Iranian people burn.

   NerObama.

4. #4
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:14 am, Azygos said:

   Michelle,

   From afar how do we know these protesters are not the Iranian version of the Rainbow coalition or code pink, or PETA? Just asking is all.

5. #5
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:21 am, b-cat said:

   I knew an Iranian guy once. He told me that in Iran, if they catch you with a gun, they put you in prison for murder. They jump to that conclusion with no further evidence.

   how do we know these protesters are not the Iranian version of the Rainbow coalition or code pink, or PETA?

   You’re kidding, I’m sure.

6. #6
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am, Pasadena Phil said:

   We may be about to witness Iran’s version of the Amritsar Massacre. Is Iran’s Islamic regime so backwards and intellectually obtuse that they have literally reset their own historical clock to erase the memory of such incidents? Do they really believe the end result will be different? What kind of god could bless the divine right of ayatollahs to slaughter their own people who also shout “Allah Akbar!”?

   Not that I expect that Mousavi would bring about major improvements but at least he would acknowledge the will of the Iranian people to be free and more Westernized.

7. #7
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am, moc23 said:

   From afar how do we know these protesters are not the Iranian version of the Rainbow coalition or code pink, or PETA? Just asking is all.

   Because they aren’t privileged individuals bloated from their 4th Tazo Chai of the day, railing against the establishment for more affirmative action, less military recruiting on campus, or better treatment of houseflies.

8. #8
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:24 am, zorro said:

   May God the Father Almighty strengthen and comfort the good people of Iran.

9. #9
   On June 20th, 2009 at 11:24 am, fluffy said:

   Azygos @ 11:14 AM said:

   From afar how do we know these protesters are not the Iranian version of the Rainbow coalition or code pink, or PETA?

   Unlike Code Pink, they have not been invited to attend committee meetings in parliament. Unlike the Rainbow coalition, they have gotten beaten with clubs, shot, and teargassed.

   One of the more prominent signs seen in photos is ‘Where is my vote?’, in English, no less. I would tend to guess that these folks are concerned about election fraud.

10. #10
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:26 am, zorro said:

    …and great coverage Michelle, both here and at Hot Air.

11. #11
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:27 am, Ragspierre said:

    The fact that these people carry signs in English and French indicates that they have some hope of support from the West.

    This deal isn’t about one candidate or another. It is apparent that the theocracy over there has lost its veneer of divinity, and the people are pushing for a real republic.

12. #12
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:34 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    If only they would stop disorganized protesting and make a concerted effort to arm themselves, sieze government buildings and start taking mullahs and the other thugs hostage. Then it might start to resemble a revolution. They certainly have the numbers to do it but they need commanders among their ranks, ones with a plan.

13. #13
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am, MarcoPolo said:

    U.S. media are relying on state TV to figure out what’s going on today in the streets of Iran.

    Almost as absurd as us relying on U.S. media to figure out what’s going on today in the streets anywhere.

14. #14
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am, Milwaukee Mike said:

    From afar how do we know these protesters are not the Iranian version of the Rainbow coalition or code pink, or PETA? Just asking is all.

    Because there are more than 6 of them gathered together to protest.

15. #15
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:27 am, Ragspierre said:

    This deal isn’t about one candidate or another.

    I’ve been reading analyses that conclude that these protests have little to do with Mousavi and Rafsanjani, they are more grassroots. Mousavi/Rafsanjani don’t have the power to start or stop them anymore than the GOP had trying to co-opt our own net-based Tea Party movement. Neither movement appears to have a clear leader.

    It’s like Esther Dyson concluded in the 1990s, the internet is a poor propaganda tool but excellent tool for organizing democratic movements. Subversion of corrupt governments is very efficient on the web.

16. #16
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am, gco said:

    Danceswithdachshunds said:
    If only they would stop disorganized protesting and make a concerted effort to arm themselves, sieze government buildings and start taking mullahs and the other thugs hostage. Then it might start to resemble a revolution. They certainly have the numbers to do it but they need commanders among their ranks, ones with a plan.

    They also need the backing of a freedom-loving American President, but the current one does not fit that description at all. The Iranian people are finally standing up against the Mullahs, only to discover that they’re about to watch the rapidly spinning driveshaft of the Obama bus pass over them.

17. #17
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am, fluffy said:

    Danceswithdachshunds:

    They have gotten over 3% of Iran’s population marching in the streets of Tehran. No matter what happens, the status quo in Iran is dead.
    “There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come” — Victor Hugo

18. #18
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:34 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    If only they would stop disorganized protesting and make a concerted effort to arm themselves, sieze government buildings and start taking mullahs and the other thugs hostage. Then it might start to resemble a revolution.

    I don’t hear them calling for a revolution but for more democracy within the established government. Just as the Tea Party movement is not calling for “revolution but for the government to stop taking away our constitutional rights.

19. #19
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Ragspierre said:

    Previously, he was revolutionary, because everyone inside the system was a revolutionary. But now he’s a reformer. Now he knows Gandhi – before he knew only Che Guevara. If we gain power through aggression we would have to keep it through aggression. That is why we’re having a green revolution, defined by peace and democracy.

    A spokesman for Mousavi

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/20/mousavi-threatened-into-silence-guardian/

    IF true, that is a very clear indication that this thing has moved WAY outside the box of the Iranian police state, and in the direction of a push for something new…something that holds the promise of freedom for these people.

    NerObama needs to get off his sweet asp and get in the game.

20. #20
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, Savage24 said:

    When I was sent to Turkey, I was told to set my watch ahead ten hours, and my mind back a hundred years. And that was one of the more modern countries in that area. If we don’t do something here we are going to be just like them.

21. #21
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, michele hampton said:

    According to two guests on Fox & Friends, Shahed Sophia Fakhari, an Iranian American and Golnaz Esfandiari, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, the movement is run by the Iranian youth, those under 30, who make up 2/3 of the population in Iran. The two women have contacts in Tehran who are communicating as to what is really going on. Watch the interview on Foxnews.com, very insightful as to the truth.

22. #22
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Ragspierre said:

    That’s what it seems like but until the organizers behind these protests can present a leader to make their case, we are guessing. Mousavi’s positions are those of an opportunistic politician.

    That’s the achilles heel to all totalarian regimes, there are no safety valves. Their system has outlawed an important voice. In the real world outside of politics, out of sight is not always out of mind.

    When people are complaining about the lack of a/c in 120 degree heat, politicians tend to rig thermometers to read 78 degrees. Now the people are not only upset about the lack of a/c but that their thermometers are useless. That is where violence is born.

23. #23
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, ajmontana said:

    Are you sure that isn’t a picture of Los Angeles?

24. #24
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, pueblo1032 said:

    Be careful what you wish for!!! According to THE ISRAELI MOSSAD, and several bloggers stateside this MOUSAVI is nothing but ACHMAGETAJOB, with lipstick…Same church, different pew…

25. #25
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    ajmontana (any relation to Hannah?): Los Angeles is an excellent metaphor for what ails democracy everywhere: corrupt politicians.

26. #26
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:24 pm, gippergirl said:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”

    We have a tremendous holiday approaching in a couple of weeks, and we have so much to be thankful for.

    May God be with the people of Iran.

27. #27
    On June 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Watching these videos, I sure think I’d find some rope and a few pieces of pipe.

    The thugs on those bikes would have their days ruined pretty quick by a piece of pipe passed through their spokes as they rode by, or by a “cloths line” across the street that jumped in front of them.

    Do they grow bamboo in Iran? Something you could make into a lance?

28. #28
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, cactusjoe said:

    Obama is all show and no substance. He is a light weight that is way over his head. Obama is a hollow wooden puppet.

    And, like most liberals and tyrants, he is a coward.

29. #29
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    I think this entire episode is wishful thinkings on our parts that Mousavi is the rightful winner. Was the election transparent enough? No. Does that mean Mousavi really won? Of course not. The one legit poll that was conducted prior to the election showed MA with even more support than the official election results showed.

    If you look at the results by area, they are pretty consistent with what you would expect. Mousavi getting more support in Tehran, MA getting more support in the countryside. Not that the results couldn’t be rigged as such to make the election look more legit, but again, we have no actual evidence that Mousavi won it, while we do have evidence that MA is tremendously popular.

    The best thing that can come of this is the Ayatollah is finally on the ropes and must defend his actions. The forces of change may not win the battle, but the war may be won in time. That is, unless Israel bombs the country, in which case anti-Western sentiment is sure to endure for decades.

30. #30
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I don’t know about bamboo but those thugs live somewhere. If enough of the key thugs started “disappearing”, their numbers might dwindle fast. The thugs are not brave people once they lose their masks and start suffering casualties.

    One of the key things I am looking for is evidence of violence “upstream”. The Supreme Council is vastly over-estimating the stability of a system that is under great economic stress as a direct result of policies imposed by the current regime. Now they are trying to persuade voters that the election overwhelmingly approves? Those protesters on the street represent the local support for people who make the system work. The question is at what level does the stress from above and below snap their ability to control their “flocks”? I expect the regime will start making examples of some of them and that is what will determine where this is going.

    This “stone age” Islamic house of cards will crumble at the middle of the power structure because that is where the people are looking for new leadership. Even dictators need a power base. The current regime is resorting to violence because theirs is crumbling fast. Violence is all they have left.

31. #31
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, Azygos said:

    Seems to me the Iranian people had a choice to vote for Stalin or Hitler. Great choice.

32. #32
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, Azygos said:

    Seems to me the Iranian people had a choice to vote for Stalin or Hitler. Great choice.

    Not quite, like us they were asked to choose between “the lesser of two evils”. They are now voting for “none of the above”.

    We could vote for 3rd party candidates but for those computer chips implanted in our brains by a secret government program at birth rendering us physically incapable of putting a mark next to any candidate who is not a Dem or Rep.

    Oh, really? We CAN vote for 3rd party? Hunh! Who knew! Still, it takes a lot of courage to to make that mark on a secret ballot. Better to stay home and not vote.

33. #33
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Yeah sure Red State. And Saddam Hussein really did have 100% of the 100% of the population that voted in Iraq. Whose “polls” are you looking at? And who is defending Mousavi?

34. #34
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    how do we know these protesters are not the Iranian version of the Rainbow coalition or code pink, or PETA?

    Just maybe they weren’t weaned on a university staff with a leftist ideology… or spawn of Saul Alinsky’s community organizers… just maybe they are sick and tired of a despotic tyrant (other than BHO)…

35. #35
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, jrgdds said:

    His Excellency , Barack Obama will not do anything to deter Iran’s totalitarian rulers. To the contrary, he admires them.

36. #36
    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Whose “polls” are you looking at?

    The one I linked to.

37. #37
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm, Ragspierre said:

    RSB, that poll has been debunked in several very good pieces.

    Read, son.

    And, people, this isn’t about the election of one guy or another any more. That bus left the station. This is about regime change, not musical chairs.

38. #38
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, jrgdds said:

    His Excellency , Barack Obama will not do anything to deter Iran’s totalitarian rulers. To the contrary, he admires them.

    Just curious, what do you think makes you any different from the “BUSH = NAZI” punks?

39. #39
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Just curious, what do you think makes you any different from the “BUSH = NAZI” punks?

    Obama.

40. #40
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Bob in Myrtle Beach said:

    To everyone on Twitter: Set your location to Tehran and your time zone to GMT +3.30. Iranian security forces are hunting for bloggers using location/timezone searches. The more people at this location, the more of a logjam it creates for forces trying to shut down Iranians’ access to the Internet. (Cut & paste & pass it on).

41. #41
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Just curious, what do you think makes you any different from the “BUSH = NAZI” punks?”

    Obama’s own words are the difference. His last “I’m here to apologize to the world for the U.S. tour” that he just completed is the difference. His speech in Cairo is the difference.

42. #42
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    testing

43. #43
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Obama’s own words are the difference. His last “I’m here to apologize to the world for the U.S. tour” that he just completed is the difference. His speech in Cairo is the difference.

    Oh, to say NOTHING of his lip-lock on the arse of every S. American thug in the region.

    We expect no different from an Alinsky acolyte. Or your common collectivist, who never met a dictator they didn’t love.

44. #44
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I posted a comment at 2:12 that was accepted but never posted. When I try to repost it, it blocks it as a duplicate. Anyone know why? It certainly wasn’t vile or obscene. Glitch of some sort?

45. #45
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Let’s try again.

    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Just curious, what do you think makes you any different from the “BUSH = NAZI” punks?

    Obama APOLOGIZES TO DICTATORS for America’s past! He makes excuses like “I wasn’t even born then” to argue his immunity from the “sins” of his country as if being president is a personal office and not a official one. Like all dictators, it’s all about him, not his country. THAT is the difference.

    Also, it is his duty to promote American interests which has ALWAYS meant supporting democracies everywhere, even if it is just voicing support. Obama weasles out of that duty by categorizing it as “meddling” in another country’s domestic affairs.

    For those reasons, you cannot equate Obama with any other president other than Carter. And you cannot equate us to the “Bushitler” clowns who had no case whatsover other than their blind hatred of Bush.

46. #46
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Try again without “Bush*itler”

    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Just curious, what do you think makes you any different from the “BUSH = NAZI” punks?

    Obama APOLOGIZES TO DICTATORS for America’s past! He makes excuses like “I wasn’t even born then” to argue his immunity from the “sins” of his country as if being president is a personal office and not a official one. Like all dictators, it’s all about him, not his country. THAT is the difference.

    Also, it is his duty to promote American interests which has ALWAYS meant supporting democracies everywhere, even if it is just voicing support. Obama weasles out of that duty by categorizing it as “meddling” in another country’s domestic affairs.

    For those reasons, you cannot equate Obama with any other president other than Carter. And you cannot equate us to the “Bush=Nazi” clowns who had no case whatsover other than their blind hatred of Bush.

47. #47
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Aha!

48. #48
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Call me a religious nutter, but Obama loves our enemies (see Gateway Pundit- Obama cuts all funds for pro-democracy movement in Iran) and hates our allies, the British and Israel.

    He is a disciple, wittingly or not, of ‘The Lord of this Age’, aka ‘The Father of All Lies’.

    People are dying for democracy in Iran, and he is on the side of the dictator.

    Perhaps because he anticipates something like that closer to home in a few years?

49. #49
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I posted a comment at 2:12 that was accepted but never posted. When I try to repost it, it blocks it as a duplicate. Anyone know why? It certainly wasn’t vile or obscene. Glitch of some sort?

    Cyber condoms…???

    Lord, I am sorry for that…

50. #50
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Well, somebody FINALLY pried NerObama’s butt out of the chair…

    The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

51. #51
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Apparently Obama had my 2:12 comment delayed so he could go on record first and make a liar out of me. I’m on to you Barry!

52. #52
    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Third Parties may have better ideological purity than the Republicans, but Obama is working to consolidate control. ACORN is receiving billions to help run the census, and Rahm Emmanuel will personally oversee the corruption. Redistricting will give Demonrats even greater representation in Congress, and more Electoral College votes. Watch in amazement as liberal meccas with economies in the toilet, like Michigan, New York, California, and liberal meccas in general, like Massachusetts and Hawaii, amazingly gain population.

    Watch Texas’ suburban and rural populations shrink, as the inner cities grow.

    The power of the census. Not to mention Obama’s DoJ fighting to make voter fraud easy, like trying to block Georgia’s program.

    It’ll be iffy enough in 2010. Splitting off votes from the Republicans because they tolerate underwear stains like the Maine ladies and Lindsay Graham and tolerated the slimy Arlen Specter just ensures the Dems will have more time to lock down a true one party state like Zimbabwe.

    I’m sympathetic to true believers in the Constitution, but it is the 1930s in Germany again, and we’ve already have a new chancellor.

53. #53
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I’m sympathetic to true believers in the Constitution, but it is the 1930s in Germany again, and we’ve already have a new chancellor.

    I feel you, Ed. But there are some HUGE differences between us and the Germany of the 1930s, and we are going to see them start to assert themselves.

    The incredibly brave people we are seeing in Iran are setting an example for all the world. Sadly, too many hearts are dead to what is being sung today.

    But not all. Certainly not all…

54. #54
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Also, it is his duty to promote American interests which has ALWAYS meant supporting democracies everywhere, even if it is just voicing support.

    Always? We of course have a very sordid history of working to overthrow democratically-elected governments whose interests are not aligned with ours, and with propping up brutal dictatorships, recently including Bush’s support of the Karimov regime in Uzbekistan, in exchange for his support in the war on terror. You know, the regime that boiled dissidents to death, without a word in opposition from Bush.

55. #55
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pm, thelcabroadside said:

    When Iraq was struggling in it’s democratic infancy (it still is), Iran was,(and still is) doing it’s utmost to disrupt and undermine the process

    We can’t expect Obama to do the same to Iran as he was also one who was doing everything he could to disrupt and undermine Iraq.

56. #56
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    So red we’re back to if Bush did it, then its okay for Obama?

    So red do you or don’t you think the President should offer some kind of support the folks in Iran?

57. #57
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Gosh, RSB, do you always just swallow the leftist load WHOLE, or do you do any fact-checking.

    I mean, just damn.

    Where are your poll numbers on this crock, BTW…!?!?!?

58. #58
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    So red do you or don’t you think the President should offer some kind of support the folks in Iran?

    No I don’t. As inspiring as the demonstrations are, the chances of any change being made this year in Iran are slim to none. I think that a symbolic word of opposition to Ahmadinejad from the Great Satan would only fan the flames of nationalism against us.

59. #59
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Gee, RSB…

    It looks like your deity has finally got off his rump, and he seems to disagree.

    Finally…

    Martin Luther King once said – “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.

    Bearing witness is something…

    Sending in some weapons would be better. Bearing ARMS is MORE effective. I wonder if our Iraqi friends would like to support these, their brethren?

    Who do YOU think the protester’s signs in English and French were addressing? Bermuda?

60. #60
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    ACORN is receiving billions to help run the census, and Rahm Emmanuel will personally oversee the corruption.

    Why don’t we all follow Congresswoman Michelle Bachman’s lead and refuse to participate in the census? I’ll confirm my name, address and nationality but that’s it. What are they going to do? Fine me? Shoot me? It could be part of our Green Revolution, the Tea Party movement. We don’t facilitate corruption.

61. #61
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, jrgdds said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, jrgdds said:

    His Excellency , Barack Obama will not do anything to deter Iran’s totalitarian rulers. To the contrary, he admires them.

    Just curious, what do you think makes you any different from the “BUSH = NAZI” punks?

    Barack the merciful absolutely wants as much totalitarian power as he can amass. If I would have told you one year ago that if His Excellency were elected he would:
    1.) Nationalize Banks
    2.) Own GM, and Chrysler
    3.) Destroy our economy to the point where unemployment is at 10 percent and the only growing job sector is in government jobs.
    4.) Have the government to step in and bail out irresponsible home owners.
    5.) Place you, your children, and your children’s children in servitude to the government to pay off Trillions of dollars Borrowed from China.
    5.) Attempt to Socialize Medicine
    6.) Illegally Fire Inspector General Gerald Walpin to facilitate political payback for a prominent supporter, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson, who had misappropriated hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal grants.
    7.) Create a Czar to limit the amount of income that a private person can make.
    8.) Attack or allow his administration to attack people in the media that disagree with his policies.
    9.) Allow ACORN to participate in the 2010 census even though they are under indictment for voter fraud in 14 states.
    10. Appoint a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary.
    11.) Appoint a DHS Secretary who believes military Veterans are likely terrorists.
    12.) Place a fellow traveler who happens to be an empathetic racist on the Supreme Court
    13.) Order the military to marandize newly captured terrorists, and releases those in custody to Bermuda for a dream vacation
    14) Deny the Judeo-Christian heritage of the United States and proclaim we are one of the world’s largest Muslin nations
    15.) Generally apologize for or try to change everything that has made this a great country.
    You would have called paranoid. But these are just a few the facts. “Bush = Nazi” punks could not begin to intellectually support their blather. Like it or not, His Excellency is doing everything he can to amass power. The breathtaking scope of His Excellency’s power grab makes anything George W. Bush did to expand government intervention in your life look tame.

62. #62
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, Phiber0p said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Why don’t we all follow Congresswoman Michelle Bachman’s lead and refuse to participate in the census? I’ll confirm my name, address and nationality but that’s it. What are they going to do? Fine me? Shoot me? It could be part of our Green Revolution, the Tea Party movement. We don’t facilitate corruption.

    My plans exactly my friend. They will get only the basic information out of my household and I hope they send the jack boots to my home. I have had enough I will not bend any longer.

    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm, Ragspierre said: Bearing witness is something…

    Sending in some weapons would be better. Bearing ARMS is MORE effective. I wonder if our Iraqi friends would like to support these, their brethren?

    Who do YOU think the protester’s signs in English and French were addressing? Bermuda?

    Tammy Bruce is ripping BHO (Urkal) a new one on this statement as we speak.

63. #63
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, scituate_tgr said:

    Pasadena Phil said: Why don’t we all follow Congresswoman Michelle Bachman’s lead and refuse to participate in the census?

    Tough call. My thought is what’s stopping those with ill intent from completing the census for you, anyway they see fit, in the sections you refused to answer — and after they leave your house?

64. #64
    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, scituate_tgr said:

    Which leads to another question.

    How can I confirm that the information I give during the census is correct – say one or two months later?

65. #65
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    How can I confirm that the information I give during the census is correct – say one or two months later?

    There may be a way, but I sure can’t imagine what it would be.

    Anyone putting in bogus information would be committing a crime, though I wonder who would enforce it with any rigor.

66. #66
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, nbarry said:

    Some observations here on this topic.

    First, Obama reminds me of how nonplussed Jimmy Carter was when Sadat went to Jerusalem to sue for peace. That turn of events was not in his script, and neither is Obama proving to be capable of thinking on his feet.

    Second, no matter what Mousavi was prior to this election, events have caught up with him and are threatening to turn him into Boris Yeltsin without the vodka.

    Third, the “fog of battle” applies equally to internal clashes. Specifically, we don’t know what covert actions our side is engaged in. Obama may have muzzled the CIA, but I believe the Mossad is active. They have already carried out hits on some of Iran’s nuclear bigwigs and there is no telling what form of silent assistance they are giving the protesters.

    Finally, the genie is out of the bottle and Iran will not be the same again even if Obama pretends that all the props and scenery of act one are back on the stage.

67. #67
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    scituate_tgr: the results of the census are going to be corrupted regardless of what you do but if enough people refuse to complete the census, the Obama administration will find itself in the same precarious situation as Khomenei is in now. People know the census is being rigged just like the Iranians know the recent election was rigged.

    We are an educated and civilized society. Unlike Russians and Mexicans, we are willing to fight for our freedoms and can only be pushed so far. The census is an excellent opportunity for non-violent civil disobedience. How much courage does that take?

68. #68
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Unlike Russians and Mexicans, we are willing to fight for our freedoms and can only be pushed so far.

    What…?!?! Your lack of historical understanding is A-FREAKING-MAZING.

    I got your STARVE THE BEAST and REFUSE TO BE EATEN bumper-stickers here, PP. Send me an email, and I will provide yours, free of charge, if you promise to put them on your car.

    How much courage does that take?

69. #69
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, Flyoverman said:

    “**The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected ……,” Obama said in a written statement.

    ** Note: This does not apply to all of you knuckle dragging, gun-loving, homophobic, Bible clinging, hate-filled, obstructionist, radical, right wind terrorists who oppose the domestic policies of the Dear Leader.

70. #70
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, Ragspierre said:

    VILLEPINTE, France — Thousands of people gathered north of Paris on Saturday to support Iranian opposition protesters and an Iranian exile group pushing to be rid of a terrorist label.

    Crowds spilled out of buses and filled the fairground in Villepinte under drizzly skies. Organizers said 1,000 buses were hired to bring protesters from around France and Europe, including legislators from several countries.

    The rally was organized by the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

    Hmmm…. Euroweenies showing more stones than Americans. Right, RSB…?

71. #71
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, Flyoverman said:

    ooops wind = wing

72. #72
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Why don’t we all follow Congresswoman Michelle Bachman’s lead and refuse to participate in the census? I’ll confirm my name, address and nationality but that’s it.

    Same here. My nationality is American by the way.

    Anythhing else I will refuse, if pressed I will invoke the Fifth Amendment…….

73. #73
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people”

    I’m sure THAT will stop them….

74. #74
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “This does not apply to all of you…”

    Quite normal for liberals to see something in other folks, a “thing” that is exactly the same as what the liberal is doing, and criticize and complain about the other person’s behavior but not their own.

    That is a standard behavior for liberals.

75. #75
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    Why don’t we all follow Congresswoman Michelle Bachman’s lead and refuse to participate in the census?

    Why do you think Obama wants ACORN involved in the census in the first place? Isn’t it because he believes that minorities are being under reported? ACORN’s job will be to help people fill out their forms so this doesn’t happen. And if you leave parts of your census blank, can you guess who will “help” you complete your form?

    It would be like leaving most of your absentee ballot blank and then giving it to an ACORN worker to mail it for you. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what would happen next.

76. #76
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, scituate_tgr said:

    jsmiddleton4 said: “stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people” I’m sure THAT will stop them….

    I think the word “stop” was written in bold face and italicized on TOTUS.

77. #77
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, Papa Louie said:

    I understand your point. The objective is to get ACORN and the White House out of the process, as they will “cook the books” no matter what we fill in.

    We can talk and lobby all we want and he will just laugh at us. IMHO, the Congresswoman’s approach is correct. Only through massive civil disobedience will this get changed.

    These people are thugs and thugs only respond to power.

78. #78
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Ragspierre said:

    What…?!?! Your lack of historical understanding is A-FREAKING-MAZING.

    You were just waiting for any reason to attack me again weren’t you? You really are full of yourself. Where do you come off saying something that ignorant and offensive? And who appointed you to be the moderator on this site? Just give your opinions and spare the rest of us the obnoxious insults. Your opinions are no better than anyone else’s and we don’t need YOU telling us what is true and what isn’t.

79. #79
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Papa and Flyover,

    The census allows the Federal government to collect SOME information. If this census follows pattern, it will SOMETIMES ask for more information than is authorized. The census-taker may ask you for information beyond what is required, and they will tell you they are authorized by law to have it.

    If you elect not to be cowed by that, invoking the 5th is TMI. Just smile pleasantly and wish them a very nice day. The 4th Amendment would work better, in any event, but my advice is sound. Don’t say anything but a nice Buh-bye.

    Papa, if we have realized the level of corruption your post assumes, there is no need to go through the form of taking the census. I am not convinced we are there.

    For what it is worth…

80. #80
    On June 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Some of you are talking about Iraq which brings to mind the chaos after the ‘fall of Saddam’. Most of us all remember those scenes.
    I’m going out on a limb to say there will be the same chaos in Iran (while the military and police are in disarray with mixed loyalties etc).
    It will be interesting to see if the Iranians ask for help and where the help will come from.
    Stones….

81. #81
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “written in bold face and italicized on TOTUS.”

    Maybe underlined too!

    Stop it, quit it…..

    That’s a good strategy.

82. #82
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Well, shoot PP, when you say something transcendently stupid, I am not going to just suck my teeth.

    Mexico and Russia have no history of revolution, or throwing off oppression??!?!!

    I mean, crips….

    My opinions are what they are, and if they are sound, then they are worth more than ones that are not.

    My facts, on the other hand, are very valuable.

83. #83
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Those Iraninan police are breathing my air Obama….! Make them stop Mr. President….!

    Are we there yet?

84. #84
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Pancho Villa was not Mexican. He hated it when someone called him that. He was Latino!

85. #85
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    I think that a symbolic word of opposition to Ahmadinejad from the Great Satan would only fan the flames of nationalism against us.

    I’ve got news for you Red, Iran’s leaders do not believe Obama nor do they hang on his every word like you do. In fact Iran has already accused the U.S. of “intolerable” meddling in its internal affairs. They believe Obama’s words are a ruse and that the U.S. is secretly behind all the protests.

    So what possible good could it do for Obama to sit on the fence? Even if he later apologizes for the meddling he didn’t do, they’re not going to believe or trust him any more than if he actually did take sides. Only those who are completely mesmerized by Obama’s stylish but utterly insincere and meaningless speeches could possibly believe otherwise.

86. #86
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, cactusjoe said:

    It will be interesting to see if the Iranians ask for help and where the help will come from.

    I am sure that Russia will help the mooooolahs.

87. #87
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pm, vsatt said:

    “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”
    – Dante Alighieri

    Maybe Obama’s starting to feel a little heat.

88. #88
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pm, Wellsy said:

    Better late than never, I guess, as President Obama finally gets off his rear to offer some tepid support for the Iranian people. What annoys me is he still has to make it all about him.

    “As I said in Cairo…” Seriously, why in the hell do you have to make a reference to your speech for if not to remind everyone how wise and just you are? Did your speech in Cairo make you wait a whole week while European leaders beat you to the punch in condemning the sham election in Iran and offering at least words of support to their cause?

89. #89
    On June 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Ragspierre said:

    Papa, if we have realized the level of corruption your post assumes, there is no need to go through the form of taking the census. I am not convinced we are there.

    I hope you’re right, Rags, but our experience with ACORN and associates during the last election tells us otherwise. One of the reasons they want a higher count for minorities in the census is because Federal dollars hinge on the count. Money for community organizing, get-out-the-vote campaigns, and other federal aid is affected by the census count. So ACORN has a vested interest in the outcome of the census. Are there any checks and balances in place to protect the accuracy of the census?

    If you want to refuse to answer some questions on the census, be my guest. But at least make sure the lines on the form are not left blank. Put “refuse to answer” or something in the space. How do you know that the census taker is not affiliated with ACORN?

    Leaving the RACE line blank on your census form would be playing right into ACORN’s hands because I’m sure this democratic congress will authorize census takers to estimate the race of those who do not answer. (In the past, they have factored in estimates for minorities who were “missed” by census workers.) So what race do you think ACORN workers will “guess” for you when their own paychecks could be affected by the count?

90. #90
    On June 20th, 2009 at 6:07 pm, 24Klady said:

    There are some pretty gruesome pics over at Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs. Some great links too. I’ve been following posts coming out of the Jerusalem Post. They’ve done a heck of a job keeping channels open to Iran.

    I’m thinking that with our fearless leader quoting his speeches in Egypt and calling their homegrown terrorist the Supreme Leader they’ve given up on any help from the United States and are now taking things into their own hands. What do they have to lose? I pray for them and their success, but if this continues many are going to die.

91. #91
    On June 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, Papa Louie said:

    vsatt said:

    “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”
    – Dante Alighieri

    Good reminder, vsatt. Here are some quotes from GK Chesterton along the same line:

    Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance.

    Art, like morality, consists in drawing the line somewhere.

    Men do not differ much about what things they will call evils; they differ enormously about what evils they will call excusable.

    And then there is this one from Wynn Cotlin that provides a good reason for playing nice, albeit just temporarily:

    Diplomacy is the art of saying “nice doggy” until you can find a rock.

    If only that was Obama’s reason for playing nice with Iran – until he could find a rock, then I could support him on this. However, I don’t believe he has any intention of hitting Iran with a rock even if he finds himself in the middle of a gravel pit.

92. #92
    On June 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I don’t believe he has any intention of hitting Iran with a rock even if he finds himself in the middle of a gravel pit.

    If there was ever a sure thing Papa, this is it.

93. #93
    On June 20th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Mark Steyn, who virtually always says it well and pointedly, has a column out wherein he says that Obama takes a position equidistant between our enemies and our nation. Swell. Just what we need.

94. #94
    On June 20th, 2009 at 8:45 pm, ErinF said:

    We have a “leader” who is in lock-step with our enemies. We chose this. No American should be surprised by obama’s actions.

95. #95
    On June 20th, 2009 at 9:05 pm, imjustsaying said:

    What a great revolution is taking hold…and not a single dead U.S. soldier!

96. #96
    On June 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm, Mister P said:

    Obama is obviously clueless. My guess is that he can not understand CHANGE. It comes from the people, not some authoritarian busybody.

    My heart goes out to the Iranian people. They are fighting in the only way they can, for their own freedom. They don’t have the guns. But in the end Tyrants ONLY have power if people follow their orders. Once they don’t, they are done.
    We could see that time come. Unfortunately it will mean blood in the streets. Well freedom has a cost, something Americans seemed to have forgotten.
    Our fearless leader, has never paid that price. He doesn’t understand it. Hence he is clueless and AFRAID to take sides.

97. #97
    On June 20th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, Mister P said:

    No I don’t. As inspiring as the demonstrations are, the chances of any change being made this year in Iran are slim to none. I think that a symbolic word of opposition to Ahmadinejad from the Great Satan would only fan the flames of nationalism against us.

    What utter nonsense. The SUPREME COMMANDER is already praying “Death to America”. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE DO. It is the Iranian Mullah version of Class warfare.

98. #98
    On June 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm, Common Sense said:

    suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away.

    Unless you’re trying to suppress conservative ideas.

    Obama should follow his own advise.

99. #99
    On June 20th, 2009 at 11:28 pm, dadinseattle said:

    The “change” is clear
    Obama is the Anti-Freedom president, and continues to prove it by paling around with oppressors, and failing to stand up and promote individual or collective freedom anywhere- including America!

100. #100
     On June 21st, 2009 at 3:43 am, RetFireman said:

     Canada reportedly did start accepting the wounded.

     There were reports on Twitter that Basij troops were gathering and lying in wait at the entrances of several embassies to keep people from gaining entrance.

     There were also reports that Basij were pulling people from homes, as well as marking doors to return later. Unconfirmed reports of tanks as well.

     This has been just amazing to watch unfold in real-time. Never before has information flowed like this. The Mullahs may think they can control the media, even disrupt Internet and Cell Phone towers, but ultimately, in a day and age where everyone has video cameras on their cell phones that can send to websites from those phones, without having to log on to the Internet from a computer, as well as programs like Tor that disguise your IP address and make you appear to be somewhere else entirely, the days of dictators and other oppressive regimes keeping information from getting out is GONE!

     Unlike in Tienamen Square, where even today, 20 years later, we still do not know what all happened, we all have a front row seat.

     Yes, the world is watching…both the oppressors in Iran, and the do-nothing Democrats in Washington who cannot even state they are rooting for Freedom and Liberty to prevail.

     Obama is making Carter look like a real statesman.