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1. #301
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:53 am, Ragspierre said:

   No responsible person, but lots of Republicans, such as:

   Ragspierre said (#156):

   Oh, and for the record, I am NOT a Republican.

2. #302
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 am, Cogs said:

   Obama is lower than a snake’s belly. Do you remember when GWB decided that he wouldn’t play golf as he felt it wouldn’t be proper for a president to be “playing” during a time of tragedy?

   So what do we see with Obama? He jets his wife to NY for dinner and a play; he plays golf with his buddies; he takes his kids out for ice cream – all while the cameras roll.

   How cool, he gets to play-out his egg-head academic theories at our expense; all while living in the big house and playing with the big plane. You have to admit, it’s a loafer’s dream come true!

3. #303
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 am, happy2behere said:

   Reply to #261 – Miss Joy, let not your heart be troubled, there will be people in heaven who have not heard the name. In their hearts, they knew the idea of him, and lived up to the light that they had.

4. #304
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 am, wales said:

   It’s not about what Obama should have been doing during the protest.
   It’s about what he should have been saying and when he said it. Not 7 days later.
   As far as I’m concerned he could have gone to Disney Land as long as he was firm in principle right out of the gate. Stayed on topic and made statements that support the tradition of liberty and freedom.

5. #305
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am, bear1909 said:

   Islam rules Iran. The Followers of Islam have made their aspirations clear for the region and the World.

   All of this pandering about “The Iranian People” is absurd. The protestors do not represent “the People” who would aspire to freedom and democracy. They represent the pawns of the ruling faction. They have been manipulated by Ahmedinejad into being pawns of both foreign and domestic policy:

   1) use mass protest as a way to draw in foreign governments and their “opinions” to further be castigated as meddlers and imperialists , justifying further isolation and control of the foreign media in Iran;

   2) use mass protests as a way to unleash heavy handed clamp downs nation-wide on dissent that is not restricted to just cities, but has been quite virulent in rural tribal areas where tribesmen have been openly fighting Revolutionary Guardsmen since we invaded Iraq.

   The protests in the cities are being run by the social and political elites in Tehran. But they play into the hands of the Mullahs who are about to go dark while they prepare to strike Israel. It only takes one strike.

   So this passion play for the American and international media is a way to dash “hope” and or the fickle and underinformed to be steered toward the “real problem” in the Middle East— yes, you guessed it— Israel. The “we’ve got to do something” liberal crowd that is in the palm of Barry Soetoro’s hand is beginning to advance the “apartheid” boycotting of Israel.

   Played perfectly by the shrewder Mullah-ocracy the protestors are not up in arms against in the least. Surprise! You’ve been punked again America.

   Soetoro is not my President.

   Bear1909 out.

6. #306
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

   On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 am, happy2behere said:
   Reply to #261 – Miss Joy, let not your heart be troubled, there will be people in heaven who have not heard the name. In their hearts, they knew the idea of him, and lived up to the light that they had.

   I think that was Joy’s point. None of us are in a position to say who will and who will not be in heaven. It’s not up to us.

   I’m glad to hear a fellow Christian confirm what is true. Thanks, happy2behere.

7. #307
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am, Ragspierre said:

   Bear, I think you are dead wrong on this one.

   Time will tell…

8. #308
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 am, happyscrapper said:

   It’s about what he should have been saying and when he said it. Not 7 days later.

   Seriously…this is a very unsettling pattern with this administration. They apparently wait to see which way the wind is blowing before making any statements. If they had any principles, they would respond with clarity and morality right away, not wait to see what is politically expedient. Very telling.

9. #309
   On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am, wales said:

   happyscrapper
   . They apparently wait to see which way the wind is blowing

   Not the way to LEAD for sure. It is disturbing.

10. #310
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am, John Deaux said:

    My random thoughts:

    Can you imagine if GWB stayed silent and then went out for a Father’s Day ice cream photo op while this happened?

    I think a lot of Iranian people are unhappy with the oppressive military presence and poor economy, but I think the true freedom lovers are in the minority.

    I’m sure the powers that be in Iran would love to use this as a pretext to attack Israel.

    There are no clear factions that we can agree with. This is not the time and place for an “enemy of my enemy” stance.

    We need to sit this one out.

11. #311
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am, b-cat said:

    We need to sit this one out.

    You make a good point.

    On the other hand, if we are ever going to do something about Iran, now is the time.

12. #312
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I just posted this on another thread, but wanted to repeat it. Obambi is on TV yet again right now. It is 11:00, his usual time to show up…Rush Limbaugh starts at 11:05. I really don’t think the timing is accidental. The POTUS is THAT petty. He is so in-our-faces, it just nauseates me. Does he really think that he has to put his ugly mug out there 24×7?? Overkill, to be sure. This has to come back and bite him eventually!!

13. #313
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm, lgm said:

    Ragspierre said (#300):

    Oh, and for the record, I am NOT a Republican.

    There’s a duck test. If you’ve voted for every Republican candidate since Cato the Younger ran against Cicero, you’re a de facto Republican.

14. #314
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm, Ragspierre said:

    There’s a duck test. If you’ve voted for every Republican candidate since Cato the Younger ran against Cicero, you’re a de facto Republican.

    ‘K. Then you are a
    

    de facto

    Marxist

    I’ll deal with my status, you deal with yours….

    Touche

15. #315
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm, lgm said:

    Whatever. This thread is dead. Move on, lgm. Better yet, don’t.

16. #316
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm, md1964 said:

    Asking Obama to stand up and at least “Pretend” to be a man, may be too much to ask.

    He has never had too before…why would he start now??

17. #317
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    lgm, your idiotic two-choices-for-Obama argument (he either ignores what is happening in Iran, OR he goes to war with them) is beyond the pale. How anyone can continue to come here and spout such embarrassing tripe is well outside my comprehension. I suppose, though, it is good for a typical liberal drone to come here every day to as a display of what civilized humanity is up against.

18. #318
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm, Ragspierre said:

    How anyone can continue to come here and spout such embarrassing tripe is well outside my comprehension.

    For which you should give daily thanks.

    I know I do.

19. #319
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    When are any of you going to Iran to bring democracy?

    Oh, and please bring you Tea Party signs with you – thanks.

20. #320
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pm, RobM1981 said:

    For the first time in my life, I am 100% in Obama’s corner. I think that this should be 100% ignored, at least publically.

    Keep the military on standby. Make it clear that we won’t tolerate any coup-related missiles coming our way. But other than that?

    Let these people kill themselves and each other.

    Have we learned NOTHING from Iraq? We have no friends here – just varying degrees of enemy.

21. #321
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 pm, Ragspierre said:

    When are any of you going to Iran to bring democracy?

    What exactly are you doing to support the revolt in Iran.

    Most of us have a lot of work to do here, but we will do what we can to support the Iranians in their struggle.

    Common cause, after all…

22. #322
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I think that this should be 100% ignored, at least publically.

    Tooooooo

    late.

    Not everybody is as jaded.

23. #323
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Jaded?

    When’s the last time that we succssfully “liberated” muslims?

24. #324
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    When’s the last time that we succssfully “liberated” muslims?

    One answer would be “every day”. When people come here and assimilate…and they DO…they do so for that express purpose.

25. #325
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm, DBNinKY said:

    What exactly are you doing to support the revolt in Iran.

    Right – as cliched and trite as it sounds, ILoveMyHate never seems to realize that when she wags her finger at us, she has three others pointing back at her -

26. #326
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm, RobM1981 said:

    And this relates to the situation in Iran how? Are you proposing that we offer immigration as a solution?

    We have two interests in the region: Oil and Israel. Beyond that, let the savages destroy themselves.

27. #327
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm, reshas1 said:

    Obama makes me sick.. He’s eating ice cream and golfing while this poor woman was killed..

28. #328
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm, atheling said:

    When’s the last time that we succssfully “liberated” muslims?

    Thanks for making our point.

    This time, we support the Muslims (protesters) liberating themselves. How about a little moral support?

29. #329
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Rah. Rah. Sis. Boom. Bah.

    Happy?

    Now as for my own point, what is it that you are supporting, again? Which flavor of enemy are we supporting this time?

30. #330
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm, Ragspierre said:

    what is it that you are supporting, again?

    People.

    There a time when Iranians were pro-American.

31. #331
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm, Ragspierre said:

    All right, then, take a noninterventionist position. This would mean not referring to Khamenei in fawning tones as the supreme leader and not calling Iran itself by the tyrannical title of “the Islamic republic.” But be aware that nothing will stop the theocrats from slandering you for interfering anyway. Also try to bear in mind that one day you will have to face the young Iranian democrats who risked their all in the battle and explain to them just what you were doing when they were being beaten and gassed.

    Hitchens.

32. #332
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    From a CNN interview today:

    Mohammad: Yes. Let me tell you something. For about three decades our nation has been humiliated and insulted by this regime. Now Iranians are united again one more time after 1979 Revolution. We are a peaceful nation. We don’t hate anybody. We want to be an active member of the international community. We don’t want to be isolated… We don’t deny the Holocaust. We do accept Israel’s rights. And actually, we want — we want severe reform on this structure. This structure is not going to be tolerated by the majority of Iranians. We need severe reform, as much as possible.

    Roberts: Interesting perspective this morning from Mohammad, a student demonstrator there in Tehran.

    Mohammad: Excuse me, sir. I have a message for the international community. Would you please let me tell it?

    Roberts: Yes, go ahead.

    Mohammad: Americans, European Union, international community, this government is not definitely — is definitely not elected by the majority of Iranians. So it’s illegal. Do not recognize it. Stop trading with them. Impose much more sanctions against them. My message…to the international community, especially I’m addressing President Obama directly – how can a government that doesn’t recognize its people’s rights and represses them brutally and mercilessly have nuclear activities? This government is a huge threat to global peace. Will a wise man give a sharp dagger to an insane person? We need your help international community. Don’t leave us alone.

33. #333
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:30 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On June 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Rather powerful statements made by this young man. None all too surprising considering what is at stake. What I do find surprising is the fact that all of our kumbaya-brethren, who were all concerned about our image abroad are now doing an aboutface with regards to Iran. They must be dizzy from all the spin.

    Don’t leave us alone.

    Seared into my memory.

34. #334
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Mine, too.

    Along with the faces of young and old people, mixed with anxiety, defiance, hope, and fear all at once.

    I like people. I mean really. A lot of collectivists only like people as groups that they have identified as needing their advocacy. When they start acting like individuals, committed to liberty, they loose their whole attraction. That is one thing we all need to know about the Left.

35. #335
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Agreed.

36. #336
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 pm, atheling said:

    Tea Parties coming up on July 4.

    Maybe we should show solidarity.

37. #337
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Tea Parties coming up on July 4.

    Maybe we should show solidarity.

    Indeed, we should.

38. #338
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 am, Dimsdale said:

    The “Supreme Leader’s” thugs look remarkably like Obama’s New Black Panther “poll watchers,” don’t they?

    They do, but one thing I noticed watching the video was that those protesting in Iran were all throwing rocks.

    We at least still have firearms for a little while longer.

39. #339
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 am, Ragspierre said:

    lgm,

    I stand by every word.

    What do you propose to do to help the Iranians?

    Hmmmmm…..?????

    I’m curious as to why he and other leftists have suddenly forgotten innocent civilians being shot.

    They never missed a chance to slam US military members for civilian deaths whether they were responsible for them or not. Now, when they are killed by a thugocracy and Obama has indicated he doesn’t care, they expect them to die quietly so as to not be such a distraction.

40. #340
    On June 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 am, Ragspierre said:

    I’m curious as to why he and other leftists have suddenly forgotten innocent civilians being shot.

    They never missed a chance to slam US military members for civilian deaths whether they were responsible for them or not.

    Well, your first sentence kind of has its response in your second…which I reckon you know. We are mythically bad when we remotely cause any harm. It’s just SOP when others do the same or worse. It is fascinating that they look so hard to find wrong-doing by their fellow countrymen on the thinnest tissue of excuse.

41. #341
    On June 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I’m curious as to why he and other leftists have suddenly forgotten innocent civilians being shot.”

    Because in this instance it doesn’t fit their agenda. If it fit the leftist agenda, they would remember mark my word. The left is not about letting the facts edit or adjust their world view or agenda. The left adjust the facts and events to fit their agenda. If it fits the left’s agenda, they acknowledge a particular issue. If it doesn’t fit their agenda, then the issue never happened.

    Bush fired a few lawyers, hearings and impeachment was and continue to be demanded.

    Obama fires IG’s illegally, well its as if Obama and his wife did nothing.

    Agenda comes first for the left.

42. #342
    On June 27th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, Dave Turson said:

    #105
    On June 21st, 2009 at 10:53 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
    Not only have I seen my share of death by all kinds of means, I have been so immersed in death I have seen it face to face and can still smell death in my nose hairs. One just learns to live with the smell as it won’t go away. …We need be VERY careful here folks. This thing looks staged to me and I’m not some wide eyed rookie. We and the Iranians do not need staged death videos for us to be 100% in support of the Iranians resisting its religious totalitarian government. That is what Hamas does as a strategy to get the lunatic left all worked up. We don’t need this kind of video and the damage IF it is staged that it could do is not worth the risk.

    An expert at detecting faked deaths from blurry cellphone videos. What a waste of time reading this garbage. Our video death experts should contact Dr. Arash Hejazi before the Iranian clerics get their grubby hands on him and set him straight.