They killed Neda, but not her voice

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 21, 2009 12:07 AM

Her name was Neda, which means “voice” in Farsi. According to numerous online accounts picked up by media outlets worldwide, she was shot in the streets by Iranian state police while protesting today. This is what repression looks (warning: graphic//update: vid link fixed):

Iranian blogger Madyar has a chilling still photo of the dying girl.

Steve Schippert pays tribute to the Voice of Iran.

The L.A. Times reports:

A copy of the video was also emailed to The Times. It seems to show a woman lying in the street with blood spurting from her chest. A man leans over, trying to stop the bleeding with his hands.

The footage, which can be viewed on YouTube, is extremely graphic. The identity of the woman could not be independently confirmed. But she is referred to on Twitter as Neda.

“#Neda: You are the VOICE of the people. You are a call to FREEDOM…..rip,” readd one of the many tweets about her apparent slaying.

CNN reports that pictures of the woman are appearing on posters in Tehran and she is being hailed as a martyr. The network broadcast an excerpt of the video with the face of the woman blurred out.

Iranian Americans also downloaded the video and used it to make posters, which were held up at a demonstration today outside the Federal Building in Westwood.

Her voice lives.

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Via Patterico, compare and contrast:

A waffle cone would have been more appropriate.

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Update: Allahpundit has the latest on Neda — her full name, new video apparently taken just before she was shot, and news of her funeral, which was canceled by the thug-ocracy.

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  1. #201
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:06 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Mister ex corpesman.”

    By the way they called us and me “doc” at the time. Not “Mister”. I was enlisted and we didn’t get “Misters” or “sirs”. We worked for a living.

  2. #202
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:07 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Maybe I need to post my dd-214 somewhere so folks can apologize for challenging a Vietnam Era Vet on his integrity?

    No, probably not. You don’t confuse me with the facts my mind is already made up don’t really have much use for facts hey?

  3. #203
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:08 pm, vinny said:

    papertiger said:

    Again this is the best argument you can offer? A non-argument but I have my head up your butt? Oh, golly gee. Such a moving argument…..

    ???middleton4, why does papertiger think your head is up his but?

  4. #204
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:09 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    It is fun to watch how quickly folks want to attack a person instead of focus on substance though. And you folks in general consider yourselves to be conservatives? No wonder we get that “eat your own” label. Seems like some folks go out of their way to earn it.

    So please, munch away and eat me….

  5. #205
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:10 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    why does papertiger think your head is up his but?

    Sorry, my bad. Thanks for correcting me. Getting distracted here. Hard to see in here with no light.

    Back to focusing on work.

  6. #206
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:12 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    On the what is Israel up to front….

    Is this the ground work for “We only bombed your nuclear facilities to help people seeking freedom” argument?

    What, isn’t the “Ahmadinejad keeps threatening to wipe us out” argument not good enough? What makes you think that Israel is looking for any pretext to attack Iran? I’d LOVE to hear your explanation regarding this little diversion from the topic at hand.

  7. #207
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:12 pm, vinny said:

    eat you? not when your head has been up someone’s butt.

  8. #208
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    rags, is there a single reporter among his entourage that has any courage? I mean here they are standing around the American president, while a revolution erupts in Iran, and not one of them asked him about it…..pathetic.

    I really don’t think it is a lack of courage. It is the fact that this is their guy…their creation, and the culmination of all their dreams.

    His handling of the Iran crisis isn’t even good politics. As this author noted. http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/06/21/presidential-stock-breaks-down-amidst-missed-opportunity-in-iran/

    …a president commenting on a foreign crisis in which a hated, violent regime is opposed by earnest, peaceful democracy protestors should come in at, say, 90% approval on anything he says.

    A political animal like Bill Clinton would not fail to realize that, and capitalize on it.

    But a totally self-absorbed, broken personality like THE ONE failed to what even crass politics told him he should…much less a sense of moral courage. Instead of getting in front of this, he turned his attention to what really matters to him.

    What has he done the last few days? He played the celebrity for the cameras at another press banquet. He worked very hard on ramming ObamaCare down our throats. He did damage control on illegal Inspector General firings. And he took the girls out to the ice cream parlor…with reporters and press photogs.

    Now, again, this isn’t a question of either/or in my mind. He could have done all that, and been a normal political beast.

    What makes him abnormal is that he did not do what EITHER a crass politico like Clinton would have done, or a principled leader would do.

    That, coupled with everything else I know about this person, shows he is a very, very dangerous man.

    I think he is unprecedented, and I’ve said so before.

  9. #209
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:14 pm, papertiger said:

    Dude is so full of himself he thinks I should invent something new to describe his rectalcranium infarction. Guess again doofus.
    Earth to dipstick, you aren’t the first one to suffer this malady.

  10. #210
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:22 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:09 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    It is fun to watch how quickly folks want to attack a person instead of focus on substance though. And you folks in general consider yourselves to be conservatives? No wonder we get that “eat your own” label. Seems like some folks go out of their way to earn it.

    This is mere projection. You attack people and label them as “lunatics,” and then complain that WE are attacking YOU.

    You’re a “conservative?” I guess we need to hear what your definition of “conservative” is, because it seems to me like you come to the defense of Obama at every opportunity. It’s interesting how you can’t accept the obvious about Obama having to have an adoring media around him 24/7, to praise his every move and syllable, and saying that this was totally unavoidable for him.

    Personally speaking, I think the illustration from one of the previous replies rather succinct and to the point.

  11. #211
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:23 pm, papertiger said:

    jsmiddleton4

    Before you go, here’s another version of your problem (sfw).
    It comes in poster version too, so you can enjoy it away from the computer.

  12. #212
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Maybe I need to post my dd-214 somewhere so folks can apologize for challenging a Vietnam Era Vet on his integrity?

    Thank you for your service. Especially since you, unlike others who served, worked for your living.

    I have one of those forms, too. John Murtha and Charlie Rangel have theirs, too.

    Mine is never used as a shield.

    I thought papertiger did make a telling argument regarding Neda. If she was not killed yesterday, she’s as good as dead now if the revolution fails or is even tardy.

    As I noted…we see with the eyes we have. We each saw a horrific image depicting death. I saw a young woman being murdered by a shooter who supports a totalitarian regime. You saw theater.

    You saw Daddy O taking the little girls out for ice-cream. I saw theater.

    Funny…

  13. #213
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:34 pm, Joy said:

    Rags – #211 – Bravo!

  14. #214
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:40 pm, GaMidnightRider said:

    Does anyone see the Revolution in Iran taking hold here and us having one against our govt. ?

  15. #215
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:52 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:40 pm, GaMidnightRider said:

    Does anyone see the Revolution in Iran taking hold here and us having one against our govt. ?

    I’d like to see Obama own-up and present documented proof that he is a natural-born American citizen, and not a foreign-born naturalized one (if that–because I’ve yet to see that he is anything more or less than a alien foreign resident of the United States). And, failing to do so, I believe he should be removed from office in accordance to the rule of law, and a new election be set in the near future, since the last one would be found to be fraudulent.

    Taking to the streets in revolt is the LAST thing that I’d want to see.

  16. #216
    On June 21st, 2009 at 4:52 pm, karenhasfreedom said:

    Does anyone besides me get the feeling that this Iran protest has gone beyond being upset about a stolen election for either Person A or Person B who were handpicked by the clerics running things?

    I get the deep impression that this whole thing has exploded past that and the young people are saying, HELL NO to all of them and want the whole thing overthrown for REAL change? Could this possibly be happening? Maybe there is a glimmer of hope here?

  17. #217
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pm, Ragspierre said:

    karenhasfreedom

    Look at these images.

    http://www.life.com/image/ugc1002722/in-gallery/28782/eyewitness-from-tehrans-streets

    What I see is people who are literally kicking out the jams (as we used to say). Look at a lot of the pictures of young women. They are not just rebelling against political stuff.

    They have crossed the Rubicon.

  18. #218
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm, Dave Turson said:

    This blogger has the scoop on Neda’s story. In the comments she updates with more facts about her.

  19. #219
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:35 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “get the deep impression that this whole thing has exploded past that and the young people are saying, HELL NO to all of them and want the whole thing overthrown for REAL change?”

    One can only hope.

  20. #220
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:41 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    yo…

    “It’s interesting how you can’t accept the obvious about Obama having to have an adoring media around him 24/7″

    Sorry but the point is not about what Obama wants or doesn’t want in terms of media coverage. He certainly loves it. No doubt.

    The point is that taking his daughters out for ice cream is not proof he is a moron about Iran.

    And yes, I am very much a conservative.

    So I make a point that some folks disagree with, and folks call me a liar, misrepresenting matters such as my military service, current job and the six years I spend in East Africa and directly call me a fraud.

    And you think I am some how missing some point somewhere about personal attacks?

  21. #221
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    As you can see for yourself yo, paper is just so deep and mature. I’m a doofus and a dipstick and full of my self.

    Oh ouch, that really hurts. And let’s see it makes what point in the face of a substantive argument? Why none! Imagine that.

    “Dude is so full of himself he thinks I should invent something new to describe his rectalcranium infarction. Guess again doofus. Earth to dipstick, you aren’t the first one to suffer this malady.”

    Just amazing however and quite easy to see how the right gets labeled as it does.

  22. #222
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I’d LOVE to hear your explanation regarding this little diversion from the topic at hand.”

    Be glad to offer it. Please read what I actually posted and ask a question that relates to my words, not what you think you hear in your head there yo…

    If somehow you can ask a question that is based on what I actually posted, I’ll be glad to offer you a full explanation. I can’t really answer questions that are based on what I didn’t say.

  23. #223
    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:51 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm, Dave Turson said:

    This blogger has the scoop on Neda’s story. In the comments she updates with more facts about her.

    Thanks for that link, Dave.

  24. #224
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:00 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    Sorry but the point is not about what Obama wants or doesn’t want in terms of media coverage. He certainly loves it. No doubt.

    The point is that taking his daughters out for ice cream is not proof he is a moron about Iran.

    I don’t believe a point can be made that he’s “a moron about Iran,” because I very much believe he’s up on what’s going on there. I just don’t think that he thinks it is worth spending any time on. He wants someone like Ahmadinejad in place, and I think he wants to be able to deal with him upon the event when he nukes Israel off the map. I think Obama considers Israel a problem which the only “solution” is the one that Adolf Hitler drempt of.

    Beyond that, Obama has his “remaking” of America policies that he wants to ram down our thoats, and he doesn’t want to be bothered with anything happening anywhere else in the world, unless he can take the occasion to accuse the United States for being the cause of it.

    So I make a point that some folks disagree with, and folks call me a liar, misrepresenting matters such as my military service, current job and the six years I spend in East Africa and directly call me a fraud.

    When you have disagreed with me, you called me a “lunatic,” so having the same thing thrown in your face doesn’t feel nice, does it? You will notice that I, for one, have not accused you of being frauduent or questioned your veracity, so you cannot accuse the same about myself.

    And you think I am some how missing some point somewhere about personal attacks?

    I’m just pointing out that the pot is calling the kettle ‘black.’ I’m not defending it–I’m just pointing out the facts.

    By the way, I’m still waiting to hear your explanation about how you think that Benjamin Netanyahu will use these events in Iran as a pretext to attack that country. If you missed it, I asked you about it in post #206.

  25. #225
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pm, jegjr said:

    and, as usual, the Left is AWOL.

  26. #226
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:09 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
    “I’d LOVE to hear your explanation regarding this little diversion from the topic at hand.”

    Be glad to offer it. Please read what I actually posted and ask a question that relates to my words, not what you think you hear in your head there yo…

    If somehow you can ask a question that is based on what I actually posted, I’ll be glad to offer you a full explanation. I can’t really answer questions that are based on what I didn’t say.

    OKAY…here’s what you said:

    On the what is Israel up to front….

    Is this the ground work for “We only bombed your nuclear facilities to help people seeking freedom” argument?

    “I cannot tell you how this thing will end up. I think something very deep and very fundamental is going on,” Netanyahu said. “There is an expression of the deep desire amid the people of Iran for freedom. … This is what is going on.”

    PLEASE NOTE that you are putting words in Benjamin Netanyahu’s mouth in response to something that HE DIDN’T SAY.

    Again, Mr. Pot, you are irrationally calling the kettle black. What were you referring to when you said:

    Is this the ground work for “We only bombed your nuclear facilities to help people seeking freedom” argument?

    You obviously believe (from what you SAID) that Netanyahu is looking for a pretext to attack Iran, so please explain why you think so…

  27. #227
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:12 pm, Ragspierre said:

    and, as usual, the Left is AWOL.

    Well, in some quarters at least.

    But the House and Senate DID both step up to the right side of history.

    Gotta give credit where credit is due…

  28. #228
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The point is that taking his daughters out for ice cream is not proof he is a moron about Iran.

    Which, if one reads the posts, I don’t think anyone ever said.

  29. #229
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:29 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    “The point is that taking his daughters out for ice cream is not proof he is a moron about Iran.”

    Which, if one reads the posts, I don’t think anyone ever said.

    Yes, our “conservative” friend tends to use strawman arguments, doesn’t he?

  30. #230
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:40 pm, jangar said:

    The point is that taking his daughters out for ice cream is not proof he is a moron about Iran.

    Whatever.

    He’s still a richard cranium to me. Dangerous times require a real leader and not some stuffed shirt jack-in-the-box.

  31. #231
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:40 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Yes, our “conservative” friend tends to use strawman arguments, doesn’t he?

    I think that is a well-founded point.

    I, BTW, am equal to a Bolshevik who would take ShellieO and the girls out into the woods and off them…personally, I take it…for writing what I did today.

    I am also a disgrace to conservatives everywhere because I don’t buy the “ice-cream Daddy” trip as an “Aww….isn’t that sweet…” dewy-eyed human moment.

    As I have said, I am a hor’ble, hor’ble man.

    And nobody’s fool.

  32. #232
    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:45 pm, jangar said:

    I don’t buy the “ice-cream Daddy” trip as an “Aww….isn’t that sweet…” dewy-eyed human moment.

    Indeed. The Bamster is joy-riding on the taxpayers’ dime, and in well over his head. Somebody make some popcorn before we all die.

  33. #233
    On June 21st, 2009 at 7:18 pm, love2rumba said:

    …Maybe Barack will be kind enough to stop, pause, and give the protesters in Iran one of his precious DVDs about himself….Like Colonel Alan West said: “…what a stuffed shirt”.

  34. #234
    On June 21st, 2009 at 7:20 pm, papertiger said:

    Megadittos on the backup, Ragspierre.

    Wish I had said it.

    Then again, I did get under jsmiddleton4′s skin.

    It’s the little things in life that make it worthwhile.

  35. #235
    On June 21st, 2009 at 7:24 pm, md1964 said:

    Neda means “voice” in Farsi.

    Does Barack translate from Farsi to Spineless??

  36. #236
    On June 21st, 2009 at 7:32 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 6:40 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I, BTW, am equal to a Bolshevik who would take ShellieO and the girls out into the woods and off them…personally, I take it…for writing what I did today.

    I noticed that little swipe at you being some sort of homocidal maniac, which is how our “conservative” friend sees anyone who would possibly think of “our president” as anything less than a patriot, and wanting the absolute best for the United States and its citizens.

    For SHAME on anyone thinking that Obama might be thinking solely of himself and the power he holds. For SHAME on anyone who suggests that he might not be a “natural-born” American citizen (as our laws demand). We’re supposed to get behind this man (Obama), and hope he gets everything right, RIGHT? We can’t make statements that are all-too-obvious about him, because THAT makes us kooky and weird, right? “Conventional wisdom” ought to rule our everyday lives, because that’ll UNITE us all, and UNITY is all that matters, right?

    By the way, middleton, I’d LOVE to hear your definition of “conservatism,” because I have a feeling that yours and mine are probably not the same…

  37. #237
    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:00 pm, jangar said:

    For SHAME on anyone thinking that Obama…

    Blasphemy!

  38. #238
    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:07 pm, atheling said:

    I recall an argument here with middleton supporting bureaucrats’ making health care decisions instead of the patient…

    Statist?

  39. #239
    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:17 pm, teachem2 said:

    Rags, I agree with your analysis.

    1. Obama has carefully crafted his image and continues to be very vigilant about the image he projects.

    2. His latest statement regarding the events in Tehran were in a released written statement. He couldn’t even be bothered to get the TOTUS involved in his statement, nor the fawning media to record it for posterity.

    3. If he wanted his outing to be about his girls, he would have made it so. Based upon the photos, he welcomed their presence.

    For me, this is not about Obama taking his daughters out for ice cream. It’s about how he is crafting his image and the priorities he sets in doing so. It took him entirely too long to give the very first statement about the Iranian demonstrations and it was lukewarm at best. It took the Congress making a statement, and who knows what else, for him to come out stronger for the rights of the Iranian people.

    Possibly it’s just me, but it seems as if the international issues just seem to peev Obama because it gets in the way of managing his domestic agenda. His delays in making statements, his body language when he does make statements, and his platitudinous speech speak volumes to me.

  40. #240
    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:22 pm, Ragspierre said:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/this-is-the-moment/

    Hanson shows what some guts…not being crazy…just some guts would look like.

    See, Mr. President?

  41. #241
    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:32 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Possibly it’s just me, but it seems as if the international issues just seem to peev Obama because it gets in the way of managing his domestic agenda. His delays in making statements, his body language when he does make statements, and his platitudinous speech speak volumes to me.

    Oooooooh, yeah.

    And it isn’t just you.

    THE ONE wants what THE ONE wants. Having a nice, stable dictator to deal with is SOOO much more…I dunno…stable.

    This is, BTW, at the center of fascist economics. That “creative destruction” stuff that is central to market capitalism is just too, too “unstable“.

    Kind of like the “freedom” stuff. People just can’t be properly managed that way.

    Maybe the chaos in Iran makes him…uncomfortable???

    I have said this before, and I hate it, but THE ONE is…and certainly wants to be…a dictator. If anyone can refute that with facts, please have a go.

  42. #242
    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:54 pm, Mercy4Me said:

    Ragspierre

    The Federalist Papers or the 5000 Yr Leap, I can’t remember which describes our Fathers intent was to not take sides against/for countries. to be like Switzerland.
    I am not saying that our leader can’t speak out against or for a movement, but its not our job to nation build. it’s not what the founders wanted this country to do.

  43. #243
    On June 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm, ajmontana said:

    Have no fear, no matter how you feel about his royal Odopeyness having ice cream, joek Bidet was at the helm and ready.

    “Don’t mess with Joek”
    :shock:

  44. #244
    On June 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Mercy4Me

    I agree, Mercy, that the Founders said that.

    So, what do we do now, in our very different time when we travel to Europe in hours instead of weeks?

    What do we do with Iran, assuming we agree that we won’t send in the Marines?

    And, please, tell me what you mean by “nation building”, because we can sometimes use terms so differently that is helps to start on the same page.

  45. #245
    On June 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:17 pm, teachem2 said:

    It took the Congress making a statement, and who knows what else, for him to come out stronger for the rights of the Iranian people.

    What is sad is his comments were still lukewarm and limp-wristed at best.

    But the state-controlled, government-run drive-by media is busy covering for him suggesting his comments are “careful”.

  46. #246
    On June 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 8:54 pm, Mercy4Me said:

    I am not saying that our leader can’t speak out against or for a movement, but its not our job to nation build. it’s not what the founders wanted this country to do.

    I don’t think anyone on here has suggested anything close to nation-building, but some expression of freedom and democracy shouldn’t be too much to ask for.

  47. #247
    On June 21st, 2009 at 10:35 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Earlier in this thread, there was discussion of the power of images. I said they can win a war, and I hold to that.

    Neda bids fair to become the image of this struggle. There are pictures of her in a guise we haven’t seen.

    No less a figure than Allahpundit on HotAir spoke of her beauty and dignity. Consider what that says, and the corollary that if she were hard to look at the impact of her death would be lessened.

    This goes back to the power of images, and the point I was making about the image we have of Neda, and the image we have of THE ONE and his ice-cream photo-op.

    Neda could be the image that carries this revolution, especially in a country where icons are so important.

  48. #248
    On June 21st, 2009 at 10:57 pm, Joy said:

    Something I don’t think our founding fathers could have foreseen or comprehended was nuclear bombs and the ability to lob them from 4000+ miles away. Or one that could take out a good section of a large city that would fit in a suitcase.

  49. #249
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:04 pm, atheling said:

    Joy is right.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote that he was grateful that two oceans separated America from Europe and Asia.

    They don’t, anymore.

  50. #250
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, chicagojedi said:

    Is there any way the American public can send money to fund the Iranian revolution? It seems to be at the tipping point between true liberty and different election results. I want to get guns in the hands of the people. No government has the right to murder its people in cold-blood as they did Neda.

  51. #251
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, lgm said:

    You want Obama to act like a neocon and call for the overthrow of Ahmadinejad. Real foreign policy experts in both parties say that would be a mistake, and that Obama is doing the right thing. In case you think the neocons are wise, think of the mess they made in Iraq.

  52. #252
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm, teachem2 said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, lgm said:

    This comment reminds me of someone who walks up to a conversation and buts in by saying something to make themselves look like an expert on whatever the meddler perceived the topic to be. It usually makes the meddler look like an idiot.

  53. #253
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:28 pm, karenhasfreedom said:

    Mess in Iraq? Do you keep up with the news? Our troops aren’t in the cities anymore. They have had free elections. Perhaps they have been an inspiration for the young people in Iran to raise holy hell right now.

  54. #254
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:34 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, lgm said:

    You want Obama to act like a neocon and call for the overthrow of Ahmadinejad. Real foreign policy experts in both parties say that would be a mistake, and that Obama is doing the right thing.

    Find one responsible person who has suggested that. What the President has utterly failed to do is articulate the principle that any election should be a free, fair, and honest one.

    The issue is not the current President of Iran, but the integrity of their election process. The President of the world’s largest representative republic and the world’s only superpower has an obligation to articulate that principle.

    However, lgm, given Obama’s massive voter registration fraud and massive illegal funding activities, I doubt he even understands that principle.

    So he falls back on his old behavior. When faced with a hard issue, vote “Present.” I am sure if this was a Democrat who lost a controversial election he would be holding daily press events telling us how every vote should count. Typical selective outrage from a socialist, progressive.

  55. #255
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:28 pm, karenhasfreedom said:

    BINGO! You mean we made Iraq a “Shining City on a Hill” for people yearning for freedom in the Middle East to see?

    How can that be? Bush was a knuckle dragging idiot. ;) Not hardly.

    Well said Karen.

  56. #256
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Something I don’t think our founding fathers could have foreseen or comprehended was nuclear bombs

    Of course we can’t know this, but I really doubt any of them would have credited the idea that their little US would one day pull the entire continent of Europe, and the rest of the world, out of the fire. They were men of vision, but THAT would not likely have occurred to them in a million years.

  57. #257
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:51 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Is there any way the American public can send money to fund the Iranian revolution? It seems to be at the tipping point between true liberty and different election results. I want to get guns in the hands of the people.

    I wondered about that, too. Maybe not guns, at least directly, but some kind of material support. Perhaps this week will tell.

  58. #258
    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm, Ragspierre said:

    lgm said…

    And you all have so devastatingly responded that I can only say,

    EXCELLENT!!!

  59. #259
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am, dadmin said:

    Brutally graphic, nausea-inducing. This is the face of death and people should start getting used to it. After awhile, the numbing effect will help people cope with violence as it reaches ever closer to home.

  60. #260
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 am, papertiger said:

    According to Salon she was assassinated by a rooftop sniper.
    Imagine the motherless scum who would scan a crowd, and pick this girl out of however many people were there.

    We know she is out with her father, on father’s day, following the edicts of Islaam. Being a good girl.
    I read that the full meaning of “Neda” isn’t just “voice”. It means something closer to “voice of an Angel calling Mohommad” a “devine calling”.
    From the Koran, I think.

    What can you do? You would expect following the letter of the religious law would protect a person in a theocracy.
    Instead it ended up making her a target.

  61. #261
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 am, simcoe said:

    To look a violent death in the face and watch the life’s spirit slowly slip away is never a pretty thing or easy to deal with in America’s part of the world. It might make you feel woozy or sick inside.

    However, Muslims and all others around the world must realize that the real tragedy is that if Neda’s faith for her eternity was not in the work of Jesus of Nazareth, but instead it was in Allah then her god did not save her, her god would not save her, indeed her god could not save her from her eternity. And that is something to cry about.

  62. #262
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 am, Joy said:

    simcoe – And how could Neda help the country she was born into and the religion brought up in from birth?

    You would define God as a being who would create her, have her born in Iran and then send her to hell to burn in unquenchable flames for all eternity for not knowing Jesus of Nazareth, when she’s never had the opportunity to hear of Him?

  63. #263
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 am, fuseman said:

    our great leader is subservient to the action known as plausible deniability.this must be in place before the fearless one makes a statement.it contributes to the slow replies. dimocrats crave power as the all and end all. pd gives them an out over there inability to reason.

  64. #264
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, lgm said:

    You want Obama to act like a neocon and call for the overthrow of Ahmadinejad. Real foreign policy experts in both parties say that would be a mistake, and that Obama is doing the right thing. In case you think the neocons are wise, think of the mess they made in Iraq.

    lgm, what you call a “neocon” is what liberal democrats where 30-35 years ago. The mob that you follow are so far to the left that they are on the same plane as Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov and Leon Trotsky. The bunch you call “neocon” were what the Democratic Pary used to be. The Democratic Party of today are nothing more or less than a Red menace that is destroying our civil liberties and is making a mockery of our electoral process (what else would you call it when your party will select as their presidential candidate someone who is infinitely INELIGIBLE to hold that office).

    Am I questioning Obama’s qualifications to be president? I’m doing more than that. I am questioning whether this man ever became a citizen of the United States–not just that he isn’t “natural-born” as an American. Until Obama allows his records to be examined, I see this guy as nothing more or less as a foreign interloper. Until I see his actual birth certificate and other records, whenever I see his mug, I will see a disgusting cancer that is corrupting every fabric of this once-great nation.

    Your criminal party is creating crises every moment, they are using every opportunity to impose their socialist/statist policies upon us, and these policies will only exacerbate our problems.

    lgm, I have no hope for unthinking partisans like you, but hopefully there are millions of other Obama voters whose eyes are being opened to how corrupt this man is, and how his “remaking America” is actually destroying it.

  65. #265
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 am, papertiger said:

    In reply to what simcoe said: 12:45 am.

    We live in a physical universe ruled by laws such that we can trace it’s creation back to one ten thousand billionth of a second after the beginning of time.
    We have disected the mystery of life and followed it’s starts, spurts, dead ends, and progress via the DNA molecule.

    There is only one job left for God. We have removed the rest of it from God’s back.
    So Simcoe, why don’t you leave Him to it, for God’s sake.

  66. #266
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 am, RetFireman said:

    This, “If Obama comes out in favor of one side over the other will only cause the Mullahs to claim such and such” argument has got to be one of the most patently ridiculous arguments anyone could make.

    Those of you making it and it’s various off-shoots, seem to be living with the delusion that the leaders in Iran feel differently at any time.

    Obama already came out and stated days ago that he did not want to do anything else he may be seen as meddling, yet the Ayatollah A**aholah stated verbatim exactly what Obama claimed he was trying to avoid; that the USA and Obama was meddling in their affairs.

    We are the United States of America. When oppressed people anywhere in the world stand up for themselves and fight for their own personal freedom and that of their country and family and friend’s, the one country they all turn to and hope is backing them, even just in words of support, is the United States. There are signs being held up by these demonstrators that are written in English. Exactly who do you think those are for?

    Our President MUST, unequivocally, unrepentantly, whole-heartedly, come out and make a stand for the freedom and liberties of ANYONE in this world, REGARDLESS of what the thugs currently oppressing said victims will say, do or think about us.

    Are you people seriously harboring the belief that by Obama NOT making a clear and concise statement supporting those in the streets calling for their votes to be counted and the overthrowing of the current Iranian regime, that Achmadinijad, Khameni and the rest of those governing Iran will suddenly NOT be against the United States and make statements now and in the future supporting Obama, his Administration, the United States and anything else? Can you really be that ignorant? Or are you just that lost in blind hope and lack the knowledge of what happened between the United States, Iran, Jimmy Carter, the Shaw, Khomeini, and every moment of history since the Tehran Conference between Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin?

    By Obama NOT making a stand for those freedom fighters, those people in Iran opposing the very men hell-bent on obtaining nuclear weapons with the expressed purpose of annihilating Israel and dooming their own people and country to retaliations unseen in any context, he is weakening the stance this country will have for generations.

    The world is watching Obama with a microscope, and the rest of the despots and dictators present and future are taking notes. So are the people in those countries who are wanting to stand up for their own freedoms.

    Yes, while it is just a few words, they are words that can either rush the oppressors or make them more powerful and un-defeatable.

    Voting “Present” when you are “The Leader of the Free World”, “the Most Powerful Man in the World”, The President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the military of the only Super Power Nation left on the planet is NEVER an option.

    This country has been the beacon of Freedom and Liberty throughout the world for many, MANY years. At a time when the world is now facing the very real threat of an all-out nuclear war, the threat of genocide against the Jews in a way Hitler could never have imagined, a world-wide economic crisis that, historically, has only been able to be recovered from by global war…there is someone in The White House who is far more concerned with his appearance and poll numbers (WHICH have finally fallen to where the number of people who feel he is doing a disastrous job is MORE than those who think he is doing a wonderful job) than he is about the safe-guarding and spread of Liberty, Freedom and Democracy as well as the safety of ourselves and our closest and best allies and potential future allies.

    He is so much worse than I could have ever imagined or gave him credit for being. He is so far over his head that sunlight no longer reaches the depths he has obtained.

    And whining, “Being President is HARD…” does NOT make for a strong, healthy Presidency, nor is it an option.

  67. #267
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 am, Republicanvet said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, lgm said:

    You want Obama to act like a neocon and call for the overthrow of Ahmadinejad. Real foreign policy experts in both parties say that would be a mistake, and that Obama is doing the right thing. In case you think the neocons are wise, think of the mess they made in Iraq.

    Actually, most commenters here seem to want him to act even minimally to the level his office requires. Instead, he’s acting as if he is some freshman high schooler just elected class president…and he is playing to his buddies in his own little world. In this case, the slobbering suck-ups in the media, and people like you.

    Are you impressed with his actions?

    As for “Real foreign policy experts”, who would that be?

    He has been so busy avoiding the issue even Congress issued better statements than he did, unanimously. And just because they have been elected to Congress in no way makes them experts in anything.

    It’s as if he needed a clue as to what to do. Seems his HopenChange, serial-apologies, can’t we all just get along if we talk schtick isn’t working out for him, or anyone else wanting freedom.

    You on the left, being so concerned about our image overseas, should be concerned about the buffoonish image your guy is presenting everywhere he goes.

    As for Iraq, others have responded excellently to your tired and simple-minded drivel to which I would add:

    If Iraq were such a mess, why did the media stop reporting on that mess? Is it because their reporting served their intent of getting your clown elected?

    Or has it actually improved over there considerably and they are afraid of who might be credited?

    I believe the Iranians have seen what freedom is like because of Iraq, and they too want to be free, but that selfish nitwit in the WH is throwing them under his bus.

    If freedom did take hold in Iran, inevitably Bush would have to be credited with his actions in Iraq, and Obama can’t have that can he?

  68. #268
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 am, graysonret said:

    Doesn’t seem to me that there is much freedom at stake, in Iran, anyway. Since the clerics decide who runs, the people have had a choice between a “Stalin” or a “Hitler”. As long as religon rules the country, any freedom will be supressed. With the fraud, that they have even admitted to, and the choice for the voters, the whole thing is a sham and a “show” for the world. Best stay out of it; we can only lose.

  69. #269
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 am, Ragspierre said:

    Well, this isn’t good…

    Deep packet inspection involves inserting equipment into a flow of online data, from emails and Internet phone calls to images and messages on social-networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter. Every digitized packet of online data is deconstructed, examined for keywords and reconstructed within milliseconds.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html

    Seems like American moonbats have a reason to fear electronic spying…

    only in Iran.

  70. #270
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:44 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    My My, Just this Monday morning I got a Happy Fathers Day e-mail from Bitter Mama!

    Happy Father’s Day,

    I’m writing to share a special video of Barack talking about fatherhood, but first I want to share some thoughts of my own.

    My father, Frasier Robinson, was the rock of our family. Although he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his early thirties, he was our provider, our champion and our hero.

    He worked tirelessly through good days and bad to make sure my brother and I had every opportunity he didn’t — to go to college and pursue our dreams. His example continues to guide me every day.

    Barack didn’t have my good fortune — his father left when he was just two years old. But he has always been determined to give our daughters what he never had, and he values being a good father more than any other accomplishment in his life.

    On Friday, Barack brought some men (and a bunch of kids!) to the White House to talk about fatherhood. Check out a video of the event:

    We all know the remarkable impact fathers can have in our children’s lives. So today, on this 100th anniversary of Father’s Day, take a moment to celebrate responsible fatherhood and the men who’ve had the courage to step up, be there for our families, and provide our children with the guidance, love and support they need to fulfill their dreams.

    Thanks,
    Michelle

    Responsible Fatherhood

    My my, how did we manage before BabyDaddy came along?

  71. #271
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 am, jangar said:

    ArizonaNeanderthal said:
    My My, Just this Monday morning I got a Happy Fathers Day e-mail from Bitter Mama!

    Sadly, I got one too. There went breakfast…

  72. #272
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 am, Ragspierre said:

    My My, Just this Monday morning I got a Happy Fathers Day e-mail from Bitter Mama!

    I didn’t get mine. Gee…., I feel so left out….

    filters, UP!!!

  73. #273
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 am, Ragspierre said:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/06/21/sfchron-slobbers-obama-father-our-country-has-super-dad-status

    SF “journalist” calls BIG BRO “Father of our country”.

    Purgative of the day…

  74. #274
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am, jangar said:

    Doesn’t matter what BigO does, doesn’t do, says, or doesn’t say…the bj-media will always defend this clown.

  75. #275
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 am, Ragspierre said:

    the bj-media will always defend this clown.

    Shoot, I could live with that.

    It’s the deifying I can’t abide.

  76. #276
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 am, Divapalooza said:

    This world is frustrating. Thank you for posting that video because they aren’t sharing it on the “news.”

  77. #277
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 am, stillontheroad said:

    jangar said:
    But to what purpose – what exactly is the end game to all this. This Clown shoe of a President is an empty suit, and I know they all know it.

  78. #278
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 am, jangar said:

    stillontheroad -

    Perhaps our culture has decended so far that nothing much is being taken seriously. The left acts as though there are no consequences to their actions, beyond losing an election or two. This is so much more than picking a winner in the next sporting match.

  79. #279
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 am, Misscheryl said:

    Obama’s poll numbers have dropped to an all time low.

  80. #280
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 am, spaceycakes said:

    I watched the video. Although I am not well-versed on the politics of this particular election, I cannot help but feel a very specific sense of waste in this poor young woman’s death. She was so young, so pretty. One can actually see the moment she loses life. When she looks up–does she see the worth in it?

    I am so sad.

  81. #281
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 am, stillontheroad said:

    jangar said:

    I like to call it the Video Game Mentality in an Instant Gratification Society. The only thing I can put my finger on is what I am seeing is Chaos, deliberate at that.

  82. #282
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am, Ragspierre said:

    Obama’s poll numbers have dropped to an all time low.

    This could be a trend that will push them lower still…

    WASHINGTON – The inspector general of Amtrak unexpectedly resigned Thursday night, becoming the third such federal official to leave prematurely since the Obama administration took office and the latest in a string of potentially controversial moves involving government watchdogs.

  83. #283
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am, sonofdy said:

    The zero need not meddle or anything like. All he needs to do is say free elections are a good thing and that shooting unarmed protesters is a bad thing. It is a shamefull thing that it took him this long to do so.

  84. #284
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 9:58 am, jangar said:

    Until those poll numbers hit rock bottom, creating a sonic boom heard around the world, I ain’t holding my breath. Media will do what media will have to do to save their own shallow credibility.

  85. #285
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Ragspierre said:
    SF “journalist” calls BIG BRO “Father of our country”.

    How out of touch IS that SF “journalist”? That should be “This Clown shoe of a President is BabyDaddy of Our Country“. BabyDaddy should send some of that peanut butter ice cream to the Ayatollahs and then maybe they will love us.

    What was the nursery rhyme: Four and twenty Ayatollahs hanging from a tree? Something like that except in Iran they now use construction cranes. Making signs in English hoping to get American help won’t do it–it is up to them but I will gladly make them Four and Twenty nooses if they have the crane. :evil:

  86. #286
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 am, Ragspierre said:

    Media will do what media will have to do to save their own shallow credibility.

    Sort of…

    but the media are not a monolith. There are reporters still, especially in fly-over country. I said before that I think we can rely on ambition even when we can’t rely on integrity. Ambition can trump ideology, too.

    And, when the bloom falls off this particular rose, it may fall quick and hard. Hell hath no fury as a ideologue punked….to coin a phrase.

  87. #287
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:12 am, DBNinKY said:

    As for “Real foreign policy experts”, who would that be?

    While Russia invades, Obama runs off to Hawaii.

    While Iran implodes, Obama goes out for ice-cream.

    While North Korea threatens to go nuclear on everyone, Obama does “tree” type interviews w/ his fans at ABC.

    This is leadership we can believe in ?

  88. #288
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 am, Ragspierre said:

    Making signs in English hoping to get American help won’t do it–it is up to them

    Roger that.

    BUT, the American people are not fixed in the headlights like THE ONE. We CAN do some things, and I’m interested in hearing about viaducts for aid to the Iranian people that we might use.

    Maybe two-way radios? Maybe encryption software? I dunno yet, but I’m thinking and so are a lot of smarter people.

  89. #289
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 am, wales said:

    Mike Gallagher started his show today blasting a prominant “conservative personality” who posted a photo of Obama eating ice cream next to a photo of a dying Neda.

    He’s on a rant about it.

    I don’t know if he’s talking about you Michelle but I wanted to give you a heads up to podcast his first hour. I turned it off after the first 5 minutes. Mike is off his game today!

  90. #290
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 am, Dimsdale said:

    On June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm, lgm said:

    You want Obama to act like a neocon and call for the overthrow of Ahmadinejad. Real foreign policy experts in both parties say that would be a mistake, and that Obama is doing the right thing. In case you think the neocons are wise, think of the mess they made in Iraq.

    Actually, I tend to think of the mess the liberal Democrats made in Vietnam.

    And this morning, the real (not the imaginary lgm variety) foreign policy experts around the world are supporting the Iranian people. Germany and other European countries are on board.

    The “Supreme Leader’s” thugs look remarkably like Obama’s New Black Panther “poll watchers,” don’t they?

  91. #291
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 am, stillontheroad said:

    wales said:

    If this individual is on a rant then, MM hit the nerve. Frankly speaking, showing those two photos side by side says more than any amount of commentary.

  92. #292
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am, wales said:

    stillontheroad

    Ageed.

    Again I don’t know if he’s talking about MM but ….
    The contrast the photos display are powerful and need to be brought to light for further discussion!

  93. #293
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am, happy2behere said:

    So we’ll be “seen as meddling” in Iran’s affairs? How terrible! Stop it! Image is everything, now where’s my hairstylist?

  94. #294
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am, wales said:

    OK I turned it back on.. Mike just confirmed Pat Buchanan’s position of non interference.
    Oye!

    Why not just interview Ron Paul and call it a day!

  95. #295
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:41 am, cheapseat said:

    two thoughts on this, 1) this is why our founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment, as they had just gone through this mayhem. are you listening liberals? 2) isn’t it time for iraqi sunni’s to return the favor of ied’s and weapons smuggling heading east this time instead of west?

  96. #296
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am, wales said:

    ARGGH, Now Mike called criticism of Obama’s indifference as “pure partisan politics”!

    OK . I’ll stop.

  97. #297
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am, DBNinKY said:

    Germany and other European countries are on board.

    I heard that on the radio this morning, and according to the report, Hi-C Merkel gave some very explicit statements of support for the Iranian protesters -

  98. #298
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am, lgm said:

    Flyoverman said (#153):

    You want Obama to act like a neocon and call for the overthrow of Ahmadinejad.

    Find one responsible person who has suggested that.

    No responsible person, but lots of Republicans, such as:

    Ragspierre said (#156):

    Is there any way the American public can send money to fund the Iranian revolution? …

    I wondered about that, too. Maybe not guns,…

  99. #299
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:49 am, happyscrapper said:

    I haven’t read all the comments on this thread yet…I got bogged down with the argument about whether Obama is indifferent to the Iranian situation because he took his kids out for ice cream. I am going to weigh in here for what it is worth…

    Obama could have sent Air Force One to Vermont, had them pick up Ben and Jerry in person, and a variety of ice cream to choose from, flown over NYC, just to watch people run out into the streets screaming, then to the White House to allow the Obama family to have their ice cream while in the private theatre watching a carefully selected movie. This could all have been done on the QT and Obama could have kept his mug out of the press for just once!! It was a photo op, pure and simple. He understands exactly what he is doing and he just doesn’t care about Iran’s people. He only cares about the leadership in Iran and his image in the world. So, both sides of this issue are right in certain ways. Obama can’t go one single day without making an appearance and he doesn’t care how it looks. The image of our POTUS is already so tarnished, I don’t think we can get our dignity back until he is gone. If we can get him impeached and arrested, our image in the world will go up considerably. Not that I really care about what the rest of the world thinks of us, but I do want our country to get the respect it DESERVES!

    We need to all get along as a team and not allow small issues like this divide us. All families argue occasionally. We need to just forget it and make up.

    If this issue has been resolved already, I apologize.

  100. #300
    On June 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 am, Ragspierre said:

    lgm,

    I stand by every word.

    What do you propose to do to help the Iranians?

    Hmmmmm…..?????

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