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1. #301
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:12 pm, usa_usa said:

   I’m not tired of the double standard. Its one of the clearest ways one can tell the difference between the parties. I am glad to be in a party that does not tolerate the kind of bad judgment infidelity demonstrates.

   OK Explain why Ensign, Craig and Vitter are still in senate ? There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats. Stop pretending that GOP is somehow holier. How can we fix the problems with GOP if we can not even acknowledge them.

2. #302
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 pm, Ragspierre said:

   Opposing Koh is not an attack on his integrity or a claim that he is not a very brilliant law professor…I want to stipulate that all these things are so…you can oppose somebody on policy grounds without taking the position that he is the devil incarnate…

   Andrew McCarthy

   Of course, like Henry David Thoreau, MOST of us have the ability to synthesize information; the famous “Trout in the milk” Thoreauism on circumstantial evidence sometimes being dispositive is a wonderful example.

   There is a difference between rank speculation and an obvious conclusion, predicated on experience and the observable. See Ochem’s Razor.

   To most of us….

3. #303
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:26 pm, a crapweasel said:

   OK Explain why Ensign, Craig and Vitter are still in senate ? There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats. Stop pretending that GOP is somehow holier. How can we fix the problems with GOP if we can not even acknowledge them.

   Easy, make the GOP go the way of the Whigs and start a new party that has a litmus test. Best to weed out the Neocons, CINO’s and jellyfish early.

4. #304
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:34 pm, zyzzyg said:

   On June 24th, 2009 at 8:56 pm, Ragspierre said: #298

   Yep. Just like a real Shelob. Line by line. Toil by toil.

   No idea what a Shelob is, no matter. (Not going to look it up.) But yes, as you will experience, I will be taking your comments line by line.

   Thanks for the invite. Pass.

   OK. I understand your fear and inability to reach out beyond the warm, moist, and dark place where you hide your thoughts and opinions. You are the Rag afterall. Just once, use the string and swing for an answer.

   I got that you have some bad wiring, and that may not be your fault. The whoosing sound you hear is stuff going over your head.

   Can’t imagine what you are talking about because you have not given any specifics, though I have repeatedly asked. I have invited you to do so, but you have taken a pass. Uh, is it that time of the month Rag? So, the only whoosh I hear is your non-repsonse, non-answer, non-arguement, . . . nonsense.

   BTW, I love it when opposing counsel ….takes…stuff….out…of…context….

   Perfect example, what was taken out of context? Oops, sorry, that was a question that you will no doubt not answer. Yet, again another whoosh for me. LOL.

   Then again it sounds more like you are changing the subject. No matter. Tangents are your thing.

   I put it in context for the fact-finder, which shows them as the deceptive punks they are.

   OK, but when are you going to do it for me and my comments, opinions and statements, vice just throwing out single perjorative words?

   See, line by line, addressing your statement. It is fairly easy if you have the courage.

   But, then again Rag, I understand you are deeply set in your warm, moist and dark place, unable to swing from the string, to cowboy up and simply address questions and comments.

5. #305
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:37 pm, usa_usa said:

   OK Explain why Ensign, Craig and Vitter are still in senate ? There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats. Stop pretending that GOP is somehow holier. How can we fix the problems with GOP if we can not even acknowledge them.

   Just to clarify. I dont have problem with the adulterer politicians as long as they vote the right way. I would like to have saints in the public offices but that is not going to happen.

6. #306
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:37 pm, Ragspierre said:

   OK Explain why Ensign, Craig and Vitter are still in senate?

   Craig is already a gonner. He has not registered for re-election.

   As to the others, what would you like? Should they be knocked off by a majority of the Senate? There wouldn’t be ANY opposition to the majority then.

   Should their caucus vote them out? That seems to deny democracy to their constituents, doesn’t it?

   In Vitters case…and regardless of RSB’s disapprobation…the voters of LA elected him, and he remains pretty popular. People in LA are famously tolerant of low-level corruption, especially of the hanky-panky brand. He would not be my choice, but that is what makes diversity. Read some LA history.

   Ensign may be toast. We’ll see…

7. #307
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:54 pm, Ragspierre said:

   From Lord Of The Rings: Shelob was an “evil thing in spider form”,[1] living high in the Ephel Dúath mountains that border Mordor; the “last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world”.[2]

   and
   Although she resides in Mordor and is unrepentantly evil, she remains independent of Sauron and his influence. [3]

   She is first introduced in the chapter “Shelob’s Lair”, but actually features and is referred to long before she is properly introduced: “But still she was there…and she served none but herself, drinking the blood of Elves and Men, bloated and grown fat with endless brooding on her feasts, weaving webs of shadow; for all living things were her food, and her vomit darkness.”

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelob

   Line by line, see? So, this 6’4″ Hobbit declines your invitation to dinner. No fear. Good sense. I have work to do, and you are not worth my time.

   Clue: measure your posts, as compared to most of those here. They are long, weirdly tendentious, and not worth the investment of reading.

8. #308
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:57 pm, usa_usa said:

   Craig is already a gonner. He has not registered for re-election.
   As to the others, what would you like? Should they be knocked off by a majority of the Senate? There wouldn’t be ANY opposition to the majority then.
   Should their caucus vote them out? That seems to deny democracy to their constituents, doesn’t it?
   In Vitters case…and regardless of RSB’s disapprobation…the voters of LA elected him, and he remains pretty popular. People in LA are famously tolerant of low-level corruption, especially of the hanky-panky brand. He would not be my choice, but that is what makes diversity. Read some LA history.
   Ensign may be toast. We’ll see…

   I brought out these examples in response to some post complaining about how Republican marital transgressions are treated much more harshly than Democrat ones.

9. #309
   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:58 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   On June 24th, 2009 at 9:12 pm, usa_usa said:

   OK Explain why Ensign, Craig and Vitter are still in senate ? There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats. Stop pretending that GOP is somehow holier. How can we fix the problems with GOP if we can not even acknowledge them.

   You are confusing Republicans with conservatives. It is conservatives who are interchangeable with Democrats. The United Establishment Party is united in its determination to bring about a new age of “post-partisanship”. They are both at war with voters in general and conservatives specifically.

   Feel free to attack Republicans and Democrats. But the majority of us who comment at this site are conservatives who couldn’t care less about Republicans.

10. #310
    On June 24th, 2009 at 9:59 pm, jangar said:

    Don’tcha just want to beat this guy’s ass for pulling yet another stunt that does absolutely nothing redeeming for his family, or the party that he supposedly represents?

    Does not the family have enough challenges these days than for this to happen?

    Does not the GOP have enough problems without yet another black eye from its leadership?

    Don’tcha just want to beat this guy’s ass twice?

    I do.

11. #311
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/06/24/rep-tim-bishop-d-ny-runs-from-constituents/

    Off topic, but you gotta see this.

12. #312
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:05 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    correction;

    “It is conservatives Republicans who are interchangeable with Democrats.”

    It’s late and I’ve had a very long day.

13. #313
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:32 pm, nyk said:

    Sums it up, perfectly.

    Good night, and good luck.

14. #314
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:36 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I do not care what Democrats do-I don’t expect much of them in the first place. But I can not support a man who cheats on his wife. Others may and it is their right. But if a man can not keep a promise made before God, his family and to his wife what else will he lie about?

    Governor Stanford needs to go away and make peace with his God, wife and sons. And yes jangar a good beating just might help.

15. #315
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 pm, edelweiss said:

    Bad boy, bad boy!

    Well I’m not surprised at all. After all he’s a Republican.

    You still have to give Mark Sanford some credits. Unlike Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, he admitted he was cheating…

    Still, that is going to hurt the GOP even more which is a good thing.

    Time for SC to finally choose a true democrat governor unless it wants to remain a poor backward state.

16. #316
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:40 pm, nyk said:

    There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats.

    Mmmm…I’d say members of the GOP are more often caught in gay sex scandals. But aside from that…

17. #317
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:47 pm, Send_Me said:

    Here’s my question: for eight years, this man has been able to keep this secret from all who knew him, from his closest aids, friends, etc.? Please. Somebody knew, at some point in these last eight years, where he was going, what he was doing. You don’t just hop on a plane out of the country, come back, and no one ask the question, “hey man, how was your trip?”. At some point, someone may have been suspicious because his phone wouldn’t pick up for a couple days. Where was the friend to say, “hey guy, this isn’t a good idea.” “Mark, don’t even think about spending time alone with another woman, much less getting a plane to see one on another continent.” My point is this: Mark Sanford is a scumbag, but so are any and all of his worthless companions who knew what was happening and did or said nothing.
    “He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.” Proverbs 13:20

18. #318
    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:50 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On June 24th, 2009 at 9:54 pm, Ragspierre said: #307

    Line by line, see? So, this 6′4″ Hobbit declines your invitation to dinner. No fear. Good sense. I have work to do, and you are not worth my time.

    Clue: measure your posts, as compared to most of those here. They are long, weirdly tendentious, and not worth the investment of reading.

    LO Freakin’ L.

    If my posts are not worth your time, then don’t comment on them. Stay in your warm, moist and dark place. Why do you comment on them then? You throw out perjoratives, yet offer no substance.

    If my posts aren’t worth reading then why are you commenting on them? Oops, that was yet another question that you will not answer.

    Then again you addressed Shelob, but nothing else. You did not address anything line by line. You addressed one line. A line that I noted I knew nothing about, and was unconcerned about so much that I said I was not going to look it up.

    You being 6’4″ is another tangent, who cares? OH, and you are a hobbit, how wonderful for you.

    Listen I am OK with you not commenting on my posts. But, should you get that wild hair up your butt, be substantive in your critique and not simply throw out your established silliness, one word perjoratives.

    Comparing my posts to others is meaningless. Everyone has their own style, and that is what makes us a great country. Individuality and the ability o not walk in lock step. Do you agree? Darn it, I can’t help myself sometimes, and I continue to ask you questions that I know you will not answer.

    Bottomline, if you aren’t reading my posts, don’t comment. When you challenge me, I will challenge you to come out of your warm, dark and moist place, you are the Rag afterall. I know it is a monthly thing for you, but cowboy up and present a real substantive critique. Forget the fictional characters . . . please.

    And, don’t comment with excuses as to why you aren’t more fully commenting.

19. #319
    On June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, zorro said:

    If you can’t honor your marriage vows, how can you expect voters to trust you to honor your damned oath of office?

    This is the only relevant question to ask concerning these bastards. Fair coverage, Michelle. This idiot should resign as governor and just go away.

20. #320
    On June 24th, 2009 at 11:54 pm, Speakup said:

    I think when something so personal like this happens a lot of people inject their own experiences and feelings of guilt, anger and pain get in the mix probably a little more than they should.

    Gov. Sanford has followed the Conservative roadmap as he and everyone well should, he’s not a good husband or father and he hasn’t followed through with the moral set he’s promoted for others to follow, these are not small things.

    Its not that anyone or any party is fit to govern, no one and no party is fit to govern, only limited government and limited time in office, bound to the Constitution, makes a tolerable governance.

21. #321
    On June 25th, 2009 at 12:08 am, Flyoverman said:

    He does not measure up. He can resign tonight.

22. #322
    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:21 am, emjem24 said:

    edelweiss said:
    Bad boy, bad boy!

    Well I’m not surprised at all. After all he’s a Republican.

    You still have to give Mark Sanford some credits. Unlike Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, he admitted he was cheating…

    Still, that is going to hurt the GOP even more which is a good thing.

    Time for SC to finally choose a true democrat governor unless it wants to remain a poor backward state.

    How would you even know what a “backward state” is? You’re too busy sucking on the gravy train of freebees you’ve been getting from France.

    I’m not really surprised (I’ve seen your picture) at the naivete expressed in this remark. Do you really think that sex scandals, and gay ones at that, are limited to just the Republican party?

    Also, to relish in the pain of someone’s family and perpetuate what’s in effect a one-party system these days is, frankly, twisted. That’s something perfected in your saintly kingdom of France. Not in the US.

    You really need to grow up. For someone training to be a doctor you have a lot of time to a) blather on a blog, b) not get the whole picture, and c) show an astounding lack of empathy for Sanford’s family. When you stop being so stuck up on both yourself, your vanity, and your own failed politicians will be a day to treasure.

    By the way, your saintly liberal state of CA is ranked pretty low in education. I guess all that spending really can’t make up for the inherent stupidity of a public education system you want for everybody else but yourself.

23. #323
    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:27 am, Joy said:

    Rags said:

    Clue: measure your posts, as compared to most of those here.

    Yah, and they make me scroll too much. Dad-gummit Rags… everytime you respond to it, it posts another mile-long diatribe and it’s a bummer to have to scroll so much with nothing to gain for it.

    PS – Give Z to her, she could do it… yes precious, she could… shhhhhh.

24. #324
    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:38 am, Joshua P. Allem said:

    Michelle, thank you for this post. Thank you SO MUCH. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who felt this way. I am sick and tired of Republicans running around on their wives, getting found out, and then becoming heroes because they resign their public office, cry in front of the camera and admit how wrong they are. I’m fed up with all these losers! Get ‘em out of the party! A man who cheats on his wife isn’t a man. No wonder the Republicans are so moderate these days, if they’ll be disloyal to their wives, what possible loyalty could they have to the Constitution?

25. #325
    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:50 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:40 pm, nyk said:

    There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats.

    Mmmm…I’d say members of the GOP are more often caught in gay sex scandals. But aside from that…

    nyk,
    Pour it on. The Republicans deserve it.

    Amen, brother!

26. #326
    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:52 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    All lib trolls receive a pass for the next few days.

    There is no condemnation too harsh for Republicans and what they represent to the USA.

27. #327
    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:54 am, runningonfumes2 said:

    Hey! I’ve got an idea: Let’s all kick Mark Sanford when he’s down — sort of like the Basiji do to the protesters in the streets of Teheran!

    One doesn’t have to approve of, or excuse, what Sanford did to have a bit of compassion on him.

    Sanford will pay the price: His career is ruined. Why do we need to pile on the man?

    Instead of our getting all indignant, a preferred approach might be: “There, but for the GRACE OF GOD go I.”

    Michelle, do you really need to call him a “bastard?” Sinner? Yes. Disgraced? Yes. Fallen into immorality? Yes. But, “BASTARD?”

    7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her (Gospel according to St. John, Chapter 8, KJV).

    Finally, it needs to be said: Sanford’s sins do hardly undo his past courageous stands on the issues — courageous stands that many of his Republican colleagues were too cowardly to take.

28. #328
    On June 25th, 2009 at 2:11 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    Wow. I haven’t gotten a pep-rally email from Michael Steele about Gov Sanford (I say “Gov” loosely. The word governor means “controller:, but he can’t control himself, much less his state.) Come on Michael! I’m waiting for you to inspire me against the immoral, amoral Democrats.

    You jerks are morally bankrupt. You have zero credibility. The GOP is a f***ing embarrassment. We’d better see you in sackcloth and ashes, or else you’ll be leftovers in dog dishes, you nothing crap opportunistic bastard idiots. You Godless heathen humanistic unprincipled snakes. Get a spine and stand for Truth. I want your next email to me to be fawningly apologetic. I want you to turn your belly up and wet yourself if I show you the least amount of attention, you dog. Michael Medved says that Republicans are the only “horse in this race” for Conservatives. Well, f*** that analysis. Republicans are thimbles with which we are to bail out the Titanic …and that’s being generous. You had better darn sure do something drastic if you care the least iota about what’s to become of this nation. You had darn sure better get real. The status quo ain’t gonna work no more!!!!! Got it? GOT IT???? Am I getting through???

29. #329
    On June 25th, 2009 at 2:17 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:54 am, runningonfumes2 said:

    Hey! I’ve got an idea: Let’s all kick Mark Sanford when he’s down

    I was thinking more along the lines of a shame gauntlet where we could give a swift kick to his ass as he stumbled by…

30. #330
    On June 25th, 2009 at 4:09 am, RetFireman said:

    How DARE anyone be upset about this. After all, just 11 years ago we, the Conservatives, had it shoved down our throats night and day that, “It is just sex”, and “It is a private matter between this man and his wife and family”, and “Lying about an affair is A-OK. After all, you are SUPPOSED to lie about an affair”, and “Having an adulterous affair, especially one that takes place in a Government building, in a Government office, during regular working hours is nobody’s business, and does not mean that the person involved is any less capable of being the best damn public servant he can be…including conducting business on the phone WHILE the adulterous acts are taking place”, amongst other things.

    See, I think this is nothing more than the work of a “Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy” who obviously set this man up. He was presented with some trollop who more than likely snapped her thong at him after delivering pizza to his office late at night and, he being just a man, had no control over her worldly charms and thus had no choice but to succumb to his primal urges.

    He should NOT resign, but in fact, go off on a vacation with his wife, maybe dance together on the beach in their swimsuits and demonstrate that they are so much better than all the rest of us.

    Man…for some reason, I feel so filthy and nauseated.

    What the simple-minded Liberals fail to understand, ones like the amazingly immature, uninformed, poorly educated and unbelievable simple and childish Edelweiss, fails to comprehend, is that affairs, while done by members of BOTH parties, are most definitely looked at and handled FAR different by conservatives than Liberals.

    Liberals tend to celebrate an affair, actually encouraging it. Why, just look at pretty much any Soap Opera or Prime Time Television show these days. Hell, just look at the show “Desperate housewives” where an affair on your husband is more than encouraged.

    Conservatives do not claim to be perfect. We do not claim to be immune to the weaknesses and failings of the human experience. However, what we DO claim is to weed out those that are weak and who embarrass themselves and hurt those that are innocent..the other spouse and any children.

    While you all defended Clinton and went on about it even to this day, and while you celebrate broken marriages and affairs, we do all we can to discourage them and expose them for the hellish nightmare they are for those involved, as well as punish those in our midst that do stray.

    The fact that you cannot see the difference in itself is incredibly telling.

    Yes, this guy is scum. Yes, he has hurt a good many people. Unlike the guy you all think was the best thing since Welfare, we will make sure that this toad’s political career is kaput…and then pray for his wife and children and…though he does not deserve it, pray also that his marriage can be saved and he can get whatever mental help he needs, for those that cannot stay faithful to their spouses most definitely have something wrong with their wiring.

    Oh, and I thought a Shelob was a failed psychology professor from the Pacific NorthWest.

31. #331
    On June 25th, 2009 at 4:09 am, RetFireman said:

    Sorry for the length Joy.

32. #332
    On June 25th, 2009 at 7:51 am, Ragspierre said:

    Hey, Ret and Joy…

    I think Shelob in recent years headed a Woman’s Studies Program at a major ivy league school. Excellent fit. The recruiters were so pleased.

    Anybody know where edelweiss did her undergrad? I’m almost certain she was a Shelob prodigy.

33. #333
    On June 25th, 2009 at 8:57 am, granite said:

    On June 25th, 2009 at 1:21 am, emjem24 said:

    edelweiss said:

    Something silly and immature.
    Wish she’d stop popping her gum and checking her bust in the mirror, wondering if it’s big enough.
    The question is…can she grow up?

    You really need to grow up.

    Agreed.
    See above.

    For someone training to be a doctor….

    Oh, God, no…!
    Please say that ain’t so!

34. #334
    On June 25th, 2009 at 9:02 am, Mulligan said:

    The word “bastard” is what pops into my head on reading most of the news anymore.

35. #335
    On June 25th, 2009 at 9:41 am, John Deaux said:

    It’s always funny to me which threads the trolls choose to comment on and which ones they avoid.

36. #336
    On June 25th, 2009 at 9:58 am, Laree said:

    Red State Update “Hiking The Appalachian Trail”
    Adult Humor and Language, Warning: Don’t watch if you don’t have a sense of humor.

37. #337
    On June 25th, 2009 at 10:58 am, DBNinKY said:

    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:40 pm, nyk said:

    There is not much difference between GOP and Democrats.

    Mmmm…I’d say members of the GOP are more often caught in gay sex scandals. But aside from that…

    Ya know, that’s borderline homophobic, making a “gotcha” point out of someone’s sexual preference, but not at all surprising: metropolitan liberals like yourself are well known for their social hypocrisy.

38. #338
    On June 25th, 2009 at 11:04 am, DBNinKY said:

    On June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 pm, edelweiss said:
    

    Time for SC to finally choose a true democrat governor unless it wants to remain a poor backward state.

    That would be half-way insulting – if it had come from someone whose opinion was actually valued.

    Thanx Ed, for exposing your supreme ignorance and social bigotry! Oh, BTW, do you have enough General Mills Coffees on hand, in case “friends” fly in from Europe?

39. #339
    On June 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, Common Sense said:

    Add Stupid to Bastard. You would think that with Ensign’s example last week, he would have been smarter than to disappear on Father’s Day weekend. Did he think the media would ignore everything?

    I’m sorry his family is going through this, but I’m glad the American people found out now, and not in a year or two when he’d be campaigning for president.

40. #340
    On June 25th, 2009 at 3:30 pm, Common Sense said:

    Another comment… what is it with politicians and infidelity? I work in IT, mostly with men, and almost all of them are good, married family men. Some are divorced and remarried, but I’ve never known anyone to have an affair.

    Am I just not in the gossip circle or does the type of man who runs for office have an inherent weakness for affairs?

41. #341
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am, FirstSkirt said:

    RetFireman #330: Excellent comments on this sad and sordid “affair”.