These are nothing but knee-jerk reactions from people that have no concept of history beyond what their own experiences on this planet are. They remember colder winters, hotter Summers or vice versa, thus there must be something that us evil humans, especially here in America are doing. Ignore the millions and millions of years of history of the planet’s climate.

Again, the world went from being covered with water, to a tropical clime, to being frozen over in upwards of a mile thick sheet of ice to where we are today. Was it Dinosaur farts? Did Mammoths drive SUV’s? Maybe it was all those coal burning plants that the Cro-Magnans operated…right LGM?

The “proof” is NOT fact. Science is NOT a “conscensus”. It is FACTS…undisputed FACTS!

Not hypothesis, not theories, FACTS!

And the FACTS do NOT add up to man-made global warming.

It has more to do with the SUN and the current amount of SUN SPOTS than whether or not we are being inundated with cow farts and SUV’s.

As it is, it is already swinging back in it’s CYCLE past the point that caused so much knee-jerk reactions in the first place.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. — 13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world’s first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak “frankly” of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming “the worst scientific scandal in history.” Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the “new religion.” A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton’s Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

LGM, these are just a few, but they are definitely “qualified” to speak on these matters. But here’s the part that addresses your earlier assertion about dissenting papers:

<blockquote>(Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

Is that your idea of scientific debate? Refusing to print the opposing view? It’s really easy to win an arguement when you don’t have to let the other guy speak. It becomes even easier to convince the masses of your position if yours is the only one they hear.

That may be…but it is NOT a pollutant.

I agree with you, RetFireman. Completely. The issue afoot, however, is that the AGW alarmists aren’t exactly calling it one, just saying it should be treated as one, a position I disagree with.

But CO2 can trap heat.

That may be…but it is NOT a pollutant.

Eliminate CO2…go ahead, LGM, and eliminate it. See what happens to all life on this planet.

Pollutants, if eliminated, are BENEFICIAL.

Go ahead, you immature little sycophant…develop one of your precious little computer models and eliminate CO2.

Does it hurt when you think? Because it hurts everyone else when you think.

CO2 is NOT a pollutant, it exists naturally. Drowning happens when you get in over your head,

The amount of CO2 we have now is not bad for us we’ve evolved to (or were created to) live in it. 100% CO2 would be less fine. Even a few percent more CO2 (scientists believe) would raise the temperature of the earth enough that we would be very unhappy in that brave new world.

JHSII said (#176):

“global warming” is a “religion” like islam.

“…and DEATH to the unbeliever!!”

To facilitate this post, I want everyone to know that JHSII in reality is Jonas Hieronymus Socrates II and lives at 1776 Revolution Ave., Chicago Il. Death to all who doubt the one true G-d and his natural born sun (which causes global warming).

However, there is one truth: CO2 does have the ability to absorb and retain heat. That has been proven in countless laboratory experiments.

I do NOT believe that its presence in our atmosphere at 385 ppm is enough to affect the felt temperature, but it really does trap heat.

I opine that the whole AGW scenario began when someone years ago looked at the natural warming trend experienced from the 30’s to the late 90’s (70’s at that time), then a chart of increased CO2 output and thought (incorrectly) that the two were a cause and effect relationship.

Now that the temp is going sideways, even while CO2 production continues to increase, that theory cannot stand to the observable temperatures.

But CO2 can trap heat. That isn’t fiction.

Not anymore than Oxygen is a pollutant, you immature sycophant.

Someone else was talking about the Medieval Warm Period and the fact that it, along with the Little Ice Age and other numerous warm/cool periods, shows that climate can rapidly change without the anthropogenic addition of CO2.

This is true but it gets more interesting.

Most AGW scenarios, like the IPCC projections, rely on positive feedbacks to produce the levels of warming they predict. This is because the forcing from pure CO2 is known and it doesn’t really cause a huge warming. So the theory is, the CO2 provides the initial warming and then positive feedbacks start, and you get this “runaway” warming that they like to talk about now.

The positive feedbacks come from things like water vapor, methane being released, etc.

My question: why didn’t the positive feedbacks didn’t lead to runaway warming in one of the other warming periods?

Can we fill the lifejacket with bricks?

JHSII: Whatever works!

Obviously if it were an inflatable lifejacket he wouldn’t take it because whoever blew it up would fill it with that dreaded pollutant CO2 along with a good measure of that deadly dihydrogen oxide!

Don’t write stupid things like “CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It is something that every living thing on this planet requires to continue living.” Which is like saying it’s impossible to drown because water is natural.

lgm: Your correlation is idiotic. CO2 is NOT a pollutant, it exists naturally. Drowning happens when you get in over your head, and you, obviously are there.

Someone throw lgm a lifejacket!

Recognize that much of the criticism of global warming is written by people who are not experts and do not understand the models.

And yet the sideshow is trotted out around the world by an non-scientist huckster named Gore.