EPA plays hide and seek; suppressed report revealed

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 26, 2009 12:30 AM

My syndicated column below slams the EPA for suppressing inconvenient truths about Obama’s politicized global warming agenda. As I blogged early Wednesday afternoon, the Competitive Enterprise Institute released e-mails detailing how eco-bureaucrats stifled a senior researcher who challenged the agency’s reliance on outdated data to support its greenhouse gas “public endangerment” finding.

Breaking late tonight, CEI has released the draft version of the censored study that the EPA doesn’t want you to see. You can read the entire 98-page document here.

Here is the preface, which begins, “We have become increasingly concerned that EPA and many other agencies and countries have paid too little attention to the science of global warming. EPA and others have tended to accept the findings reached by outside groups…as being correct without a careful and critical examination of their conclusions and documentation.” No wonder they tried to shut up senior researcher Alan Carlin (click on image for full-size):

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EPA’s game of global warming hide-and-seek
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009

The Obama administration doesn’t want to hear inconvenient truths about global warming. And they don’t want you to hear them, either. As Democrats rush on Friday to pass a $4 trillion-dollar, thousand-page “cap and trade” bill that no one has read, environmental bureaucrats are stifling voices that threaten their political agenda.

The free market-based Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington (where I served as a journalism fellow in 1995) obtained a set of internal e-mails exposing Team Obama’s willful and reckless disregard for data that undermine the illusion of “consensus.” In March, Alan Carlin, a senior research analyst at the Environmental Protection Agency, asked agency officials to distribute his analysis on the health effects of greenhouse gases. EPA has proposed a public health “endangerment finding” covering CO2 and five other gases that would trigger costly, extensive new regulations of motor vehicles. The open comment period on the ruling ended this week. But Carlin’s study didn’t fit the blame-human-activity narrative, so it didn’t make the cut.

On March 12, Carlin’s director, Al McGartland, forbade him from having “any direct communication” with anyone outside his office about his study. “There should be no meetings, emails, written statements, phone calls, etc.” On March 16, Carlin urged his superiors to forward his work to EPA’s Office of Air and Radiation, which runs the agency’s climate change program. A day later, McGartland dismissed Carlin and showed his true, politicized colors:

“The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round. The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision… I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office.”

Contrary comments, in other words, would interfere with the “process” of ramming the EPA’s endangerment finding through. Truth-in-science took a backseat to protecting eco-bureaucrats from “a very negative impact.”

In another follow-up e-mail, McGartland warned Carlin to drop the subject altogether: “With the endangerment finding nearly final, you need to move on to other issues and subjects. I don’t want you to spend any additional EPA time on climate change. No papers, no research etc, at least until we see what EPA is going to do with Climate.”

But, of course, the e-mails show that EPA had already predetermined what it was going to do – “move forward on endangerment.” Which underscores the fact that the open public comment period was all for show. In her message to the public about the radical greenhouse gas rules, EPA administrator Lisa Jackson requested “comment on the data on which the proposed findings are based, the methodology used in obtaining and analyzing the data, and the major legal interpretations and policy considerations underlying the proposed findings.” Ms. Jackson, meet Mr. Carlin.

The EPA now justifies the suppression of the study because economist Carlin (a 35-year veteran of the agency who also holds a B.S. in physics) “is an individual who is not a scientist.” Neither is Al Gore. Nor is environmental czar Carol Browner. Nor is cap-and-trade shepherd Nancy Pelosi. Carlin’s analysis incorporated peer-reviewed studies and, as he informed his colleagues, “significant new research” related to the proposed endangerment finding. According to those who have seen his study, it spotlights EPA’s reliance on out-of-date research, uncritical recycling of United Nations data, and omission of new developments, including a continued decline in global temperatures and a new consensus that future hurricane behavior won’t be different than in the past.

But the message from his superiors was clear: La-la-la, we can’t hear you.

In April, President Obama declared that “the days of science taking a back seat to ideology are over.” Another day, another broken promise. Will Carlin meet the same fate as inspectors general who have been fired or “retired” by the Obama administration for blowing the whistle and defying political orthodoxy? Or will he, too, be yet another casualty of the Hope and Change steamroller? The bodies are piling up.

Malkin is author of the forthcoming “Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks & Cronies” (Regnery 2009).

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  1. #1
    On June 26th, 2009 at 12:46 am, mattm said:

    Any time I hear some Lib spout the “Science is settled we must act” or “Their is a consensus that the planet is in peril” routine I know anything they say is not science. In these cases no basic scientific principials were followed, only feel-good/I matter pseudo science.

  2. #2
    On June 26th, 2009 at 12:56 am, prendad said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Michelle Malkin said: “La-la-la, we can’t hear you”.

    Yes, they only talk amongst themselves, a closed circle of true believers who feed on each other’s “revelations” and shun the fake-speak of the unclean outsiders . Thou shalt hear no evil (truth), lest it steal the soul of the true Obama-ite and cause the loss of the sacred Obama-dollars that commeth for free.

  3. #3
    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:42 am, infidel4life said:

    Obama is such a filthy LIAR! I really believe he hates everything this country stands for and was founded on.

  4. #4
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:34 am, Thunderbird 1 said:

    Excellent column and a dogged pursuit on your part, Michelle. At this rate, your book will require updated printings every month with new additions to the litany of methods such as you detail here.

  5. #5
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:35 am, Papa Louie said:

    The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision…

    Significant new research? We don’t need no stink’n research! And besides, we only accept comments from non-scientists who agree with us. How’s that for truth-in-science?

  6. #6
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:46 am, WarTip said:

    The law requires the admission of all of the evidence that was used as well as all of the evidence that was discarded. This is a taxpayer funded project that should be reported to the taxpayers. All of this information by rights and by law is supposed to be presented. This from an administration and even a department head who promised and assured us transparency.

    No, no cause for alarm here right? No cause to believe that the consensus is not in or that the debate is not over simply because a series of scientific studies contradict what they are telling us.

    They shove the tax down our throats now, answer the questions later if they can not brush it all under the rug after you, the taxpayer are already screwed. Worst case scenario, they throw somebody under the bus after everything is said and done, create more government funding (read you pay for those who will not work) of utilities and other federal subsidies to help those who are unwilling to work and are career welfare recipients.

    Voila, our Socialist Utopia makes another giant leap forward.

    Facts? We don’t need no stinking facts!

  7. #7
    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:02 am, jjmurphy said:

    No surprise. This whole mess is not about the environment. These collectivists don’t give a rat’s rear-end about the environment. This is about control, pure and simple.

    The cap & trade, and other edicts coming down the pike, are just convenient tools to increase government control. So when you look at what is going on in D.C. DO NOT think about environmental protection, think about government control. Than it all makes sense.

  8. #8
    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:34 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    But this is only ONE instance that leaked out of the EPA!

    Given that the EPA has been caught red-handed intentionally suppressing information to advance a political agenda – HOW MANY MORE SUCH REPORTS HAVE THEY BURIED?

    .. and who can be trusted to give an HONEST answer to that question?

    It all goes to prove that liberals are fundamentally DISHONEST.

  9. #9
    On June 26th, 2009 at 6:16 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Unfortunately, you won’t be labeled as a good caring conscientious and intelligent person unless you’re “green” — just like my grandkids and neighbors kids are being taught in school. Cute brainwashing to intolerance of contrary views! Ruefully, educating the public about the facts vs speculations of “climate change” is going to be a hard uphill slough, what most all the media, the Weather Channel (though its retired founder thinks different), and for me, how the Science, History, Animal planet and Discovery Channels are Challenger Deep in the tank with the green crowd which means an biasedly brainwashed and alarmed scholastic audience. I just about laugh to see commercials were companies are falling all over themselves mentioning “green” “environment” “ecology” and “natural” and “SAVE THE PLANET” to score a sale. Even NASA is staking its repute on “green missions” when they won’t even mention that probes like Cassini are nuclear-powered, and let’s not talk about NASA holding back all that Mars surface temp data of how temps seem to be slowly rising there too! Major Wimps. Carbon footprints were a amusing joke a while ago but it was a toe in in the door to pry our wallets — and for what? I regret that we all will be forced royally to “contribute” to this bogus issue.

    James Greenidge
    Queens, New York

  10. #10
    On June 26th, 2009 at 6:19 am, txvet2 said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:34 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    It all goes to prove that liberals are fundamentally DISHONEST.

    Well, Duhhh, as your kids would say.

  11. #11
    On June 26th, 2009 at 6:49 am, zorro said:

    More proof that the democraps would rather rely bad science (borderline superstition) than actual science.

    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:42 am, infidel4life said:

    Obama is such a filthy LIAR! I really believe he hates everything this country stands for and was founded on.

    Crazy democraps like Carol Browner are zealots who hate liberty (read capitalism).

  12. #12
    On June 26th, 2009 at 7:29 am, mattymatt10 said:

    Solid article.

    Remember when NASA’s Hansen was screaming about how the Bush administration was shutting him up? Despite the fact he went on countless media outlets to complain about being “shut up”? We’ll see how much airtime Mr. Carlin gets.

    I refuse to believe that a gas that we have been created to expel with every single breath we take is going to destroy the planet. Absolutely ridiculous. The world is upside down.

    Don’t people ever wonder why the solution to “climate change” is ALWAYS higher taxes and reduced liberty?

  13. #13
    On June 26th, 2009 at 7:57 am, Ron said:

    Any time anybody tells you the science is settled, watch out. The earth has not been warming since 1998, its recent peak, but has been cooling. More evidence points to solar radiation as the main cause of global warming. Inconvenient truths.

  14. #14
    On June 26th, 2009 at 7:58 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Liberals would have stood a MUCH better chance of actually frightening people about increasing CO2 concerning if they had directed their alarmism toward CO2′s relationship to increased oxygen. More CO2 inevidentably leads to more plant life which then generates more oxygen.

    You might think, ‘Gee that’s a good thing! No?’ Well yeah, kinda, until you consider the affect that increased oxygen has on INSECTS – they can grow bigger… MUCH BIGGER!

    Back in the Carboniferous period there was dragonfly with a wingspan over 2 FEET because of the extra oxygen!

    It is genetically related to the little dragonfly around today. Suppose the extra oxygen triggers an ancient gene to cause it get larger again? YIKES! That sucker ain’t going to just go splat on your windshield – it’s comin THROUGH!

  15. #15
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:11 am, MarcoPolo said:

    I am so tired this morning.

    If we stop it, they’ll add $50 billion in pork to it and bring it back after the holiday recess.

  16. #16
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:18 am, jangar said:

    YIKES! That sucker ain’t going to just go splat on your windshield – it’s comin THROUGH!

    I call for open season…tastes like chicken.

  17. #17
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am, travlinman said:

    In Thessalonians II, the Good Book refers to God allowing those who refuse to hear the truth to believe a lie and to be damned. Sounds a lot like the whole looney left, socialist, global warming bunch doesn’t it.

  18. #18
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am, MoGal said:

    Gee. I have a physics degree too. I guess I am not a scientist either. Nuts.

    EPA had to be forced to start working. The orginal list of pollutants was designed by lawyers – guess they were not scientists either – for sure. EPA became corrupt very early – gee – wonder why.

    I worked on projects determining ozone pollution when the ozone hole in the upper atmosphere was supposed to be a problem but it would take 100 years for ozone at ground level to get up high so therefore do not allow ozone at ground level – EPA people never took a logic class in their lives. In one major fuel pollution area – in Alaska – the EPA monitor was set up right by the exhaust of autos that were running constantly because of the cold – this was so brilliant and so very accurate – right? EPA? Nuts. The major fuel pollution area was not caused by anything in the city but was caused by the ajoining air force base that was exempt for emission measurements. Goodie – such brilliant science – as usual.

    The comments by real and honest scientists are not allowed to be reported. This is even helped out by search engines. Try to google the list of concerned scientists that really, really disagree with Hansen and the UN on the fake human caused global warming when the earth has been cooling for several years again. Try to find where Hansen fudged the cooling data and got caught – you will never find it. Science is no longer science – it is now a religion for the death merchants – the democrats – lots of abortions – no fighting to protect and defend anyone – and let the mass murderers loose to kill again. I cannot believe people are so stupid but I guess this is the result of controlled media and controlled education. Glad I was educated before all this. I think home schooling may be the only way to go now but who can teach if all are now brainwashed? I am glad my parents did not see this.

  19. #19
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am, McCloud9 said:

    The “Science” of Global warming?
    When I hear that phrase I remember an episode of the Beverly Hillbillies, and Granny with her cockroach in the matchbox. She could predict the weather better than the local weatherman according to how the roach was acting on a day by day basis.
    The funny thing is, at the end of the show… The weatherman had his own cockroach in his desk.
    Thats known as Simple Science!

  20. #20
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:32 am, jangar said:

    travlinman said:

    That certainly explains the entire platform of the politically left, including the progressive right. People constantly knock theology and scripture, but it is the only source of truth and shows where we are headed.

  21. #21
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    “If you had played your part like a Pekinese instead of a wolfhound, our plan woulda worked!”
    - Moe (FROM NURSE TO WORSE, 1940)

  22. #22
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:09 am, happyscrapper said:

    If this bill passes, I will “celebrate” by turning on my air conditioning full blast, running my gas-guzzling van in the driveway all day, leaving all my lights on including the porches, and anything else I can do to show my disgust. Even though the news shows are reporting on nothing but the death of a pop singer freak today, I will not be weeping for him (it?), I will be weeping for my country that is quickly being destroyed by immorality, corruption and greed. May everyone who is perpetrating this gigantic fraud on the American people rot.

  23. #23
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:18 am, dan708 said:

    W Bush used to take criticism for applying political pressure to his administration’s scientists. It would appear that Obama is doing the same.

  24. #24
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am, jangar said:

    May everyone who is perpetrating this gigantic fraud on the American people rot.

    …and may a thousand 4 foot wing-spanned dragonflies carry his highness off.

  25. #25
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:20 am, cabrerski said:

    If any of these “true believers” did actually believe mankind was at fault, they would end their miserable lives for exhaling all that nasty carbon dioxide.

    Follow the money…(right ManBearPig?)

  26. #26
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:21 am, Truesoldier said:

    I love how the Libs always claim “the science is settled” on their pet issues.

    Just imagine if their had been claims that the science was settled on other fronts. We would still believe the world was flat for one.

  27. #27
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:26 am, happyscrapper said:

    …and may a thousand 4 foot wing-spanned dragonflies carry his highness off.

    Don’t suggest that to the people planning his funeral. They might just do it. The funeral will be a freak show and all the news channels will have nothing on all day except that. I plan to stock up on some good trashy novels and keep the TV off that day. Even FOX News has fallen into the trap. The DC libs are moondancing in the streets over the pop singer’s death…another convenient distraction so they can get away with murder.

  28. #28
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:27 am, Misscheryl said:

    Try to find where Hansen fudged the cooling data and got caught – you will never find it. Science is no longer science – it is now a religion for the death merchants – the democrats – lots of abortions – no fighting to protect and defend anyone – and let the mass murderers loose to kill again. I cannot believe people are so stupid but I guess this is the result of controlled media and controlled education.

    truer.words.never.spoken.

  29. #29
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:27 am, FruNobulux said:

    Excellent article in the WSJ.

    So the science is “settled”?

    Actually, the science probably is settled: AGW is unproven.

    It’s the politics that’s settled, unless we act now. Kill tax-and-trade.

    CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!!

  30. #30
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    To reduce modern climate change to one variable, CO2, or a small proportion of one variable-human-induced CO2-is not science. To try to predict the future based on just one variable (CO2) in extraordinarily complex natural systems is folly.

    Yep … What he said.

    More here.

  31. #31
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:29 am, FruNobulux said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    “If you had played your part like a Pekinese instead of a wolfhound, our plan woulda worked!”
    - Moe (FROM NURSE TO WORSE, 1940)

    Somebody got himself the Three Stooges DVD boxed set.

  32. #32
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:30 am, jangar said:

    scrappy,

    …and may a thousand 4 foot wing-spanned dragonflies carry his highness off.

    I meant big O, not jacko. I guess either will do.

  33. #33
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:31 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Whoops … that didn’t turn out quite right. Let’s try again.

    To reduce modern climate change to one variable, CO2, or a small proportion of one variable-human-induced CO2-is not science. To try to predict the future based on just one variable (CO2) in extraordinarily complex natural systems is folly.

    Yep … What he said.

    More here.

    ___________

    Better.

  34. #34
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:33 am, jangar said:

    Dear Congressmen,

    Vote NO on Crap for Tax.

    Sincerely,

    We The People

  35. #35
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:33 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    “The science is settled whatever we want it to be.”

    “The debate is over already bought and paid for.”

  36. #36
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am, iamsaved said:

    I believe it’s settled science, logic and/or morality that it’s a known fact that the Obama Administration bases its efforts on lies and deceit.

    I like to think of the Climate Chicken Littles as the modern day “flat earthers”. History will prove them to be the fools they really are.

    When the useful idiots can start predicting the weather 3 days in advance with 100% accuracy, they might get my attention.

    CO2 – plants require.
    Oxygen – Humans require.
    Plants take in CO2 and produce Oxygen. Humans take in oxygen and produce CO2.

    The cycle has continued unabated since the dawn of time. What arrogance these people have to think they can control weather. God must surely be amused at the antics of these people.

    And they call those who want to see a birth certificate wearers of the tin-foil hats – give me a break.

  37. #37
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am, walterc said:

    Further proof that we have Tony Soprano in the White House.

    Chicago politics gone national.

    We are so screwed.

  38. #38
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:43 am, cheapseat said:

    yesterday cnbc bad boy rick santelli quite cogently noted that he wasn’t going to debate the inflation/deflation question, he was just going to say prices were going up. the government basket that they use to measure inflation contains airplanes and cars and houses, all of which are lower in cost today than last year. but the things we all buy weekly are up in price. eg, 2 litre coke at walmart used to be $1.19 last year, today up 25% to $1.50. if i bought a home or a car every year, maybe i could balance my inflation base. this cap and tax bill will price up everything which moves, heats, cools, is manufactured, and is grown/harvested. but it is equitable in that every income group, indeed every person, is going to be taxed by the price of that bottle of coke.

  39. #39
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:43 am, Misscheryl said:

    9:36 am, walterc said:
    Further proof that we have Tony Soprano in the White House.

    Chicago politics gone national.

    We are so screwed.

    Well, the fact that conservatives in politics and out have sat back for the past 30 years while the liberal left have been able to endoctrinate our children, and dictate what we will read, see and hear to the point that we have someone like Obama in the White House is a realty check for us.

    I’m not giving up that easy. We haven’t begun to fight – but it’s time we do. Liberals won’t find us so easy to push around anymore…Silent Majority NO MORE!

  40. #40
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am, Misscheryl said:

    Cheapseat

    I don’t know your age or if you remember when a loaf of bread was 35 cents and then, Carter happened.

  41. #41
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am, happyscrapper said:

    I meant big O, not jacko. I guess either will do.

    Ha! Sorry, I have that pop singer on the brain, as that is all I have heard about for the past 24 hours.

  42. #42
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:46 am, jangar said:

    So far, ALL of Obama’s policies are by design to pillage 60% of all personal and corporate income. Government will become the beast that eats the hands off of those that once fed it.

    Then it will starve to death.

    Buzzards to follow (which may very well be Islamic ravens).

  43. #43
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:49 am, iamsaved said:

    So far, ALL of Obama’s policies are by design to pillage 60% of all personal and corporate income. Government will become the beast that eats the hands off of those that once fed it.

    It’s our own fault if we let him do it. Their blocking of the Atlanta Tea Party should speak volumes at the length Obama will go to squelch dissention against his policies.

  44. #44
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:50 am, happyscrapper said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am, Misscheryl said:
    Cheapseat

    I don’t know your age or if you remember when a loaf of bread was 35 cents and then, Carter happened.

    Let me tell you something about MY age. I remember when gasoline was 29 cents a gallon. And a pack of cigarettes was a quarter. Then LBJ happened.

  45. #45
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am, jangar said:

    Their blocking of the Atlanta Tea Party should speak volumes at the length Obama will go to squelch dissention against his policies.

    Obama Jihad

  46. #46
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am, happyscrapper said:

    Is there any way that Obama can keep his huge campaign promise of cutting taxes for 95% of the American people? That was one of their main talking points during the entire campaign and even beyond. I haven’t heard it for a while. Do you think the morons out there who are still waiting for their free houses and cars are finally catching on? Nah!

  47. #47
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:55 am, Speakup said:

    Unless there’s some human colonies on our neighboring planets I don’t know about and the aliens who live there have been polluting up a storm, man made climate change is a lie.

    So upsetting was this article that the American physical society had to put a disclaimer on it, can’t irritate The Penguin, especially with inconvenient factual findings.

    Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

    Michael Asher (Blog) – July 16, 2008 9:35 PM

    Viscount Monckton gives a presentation during the 2007 Conference on Climate Change
    “Considerable presence” of skeptics

    Updated 7/17/2008

    After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

    The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming “incontrovertible.”

    In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,”There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.”

    The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity — the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause — has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.

    Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton’s paper an “expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and “extensive errors”

    In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, “I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC’s 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central ‘climate sensitivity’ question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method.”

    According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, “in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low.”

    Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain’s Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth’s recent warming. “In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years … Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth.”

    Just say no, to mansions surrounded by eco mud huts.

  48. #48
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:57 am, jangar said:

    happyscrapper said:

    What Odumpster says has an expiration date. And yes, those base urban poor voters are begining to take notice.

  49. #49
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am, Send_Me said:

    I still have to wonder how long it will be until “climate change” or “endangerment” is universally accepted as true science, and those who dissent are labeled as “enemies of science”. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time we’ve been down this road.

  50. #50
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    IF we ever get a chance to take an axe to Federal programs the EPA is high on the list. As with most big things it is corruption waiting to happen–dishonest people doing dishonest things for dishonest reasons.

    True scientist-those people who can actually read the comprehend data are now called enemies of science. New Speak 21st Century.

  51. #51
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:19 am, WarTip said:

    If you really want to get past all of the Google PC crap you can always use DogPile dot com. They seem to have a lot less bias in their algorithms. (Is that possible? To skew a mathematical equation with human prejudice? Unfortunately it really does seem to be)

    As for CO2, that right there was the first clue that something was wrong. When CO2 makes up substantially less than one half of one percent of the atmosphere and is being used to calculate levels of Methane, Carbon MONOXIDE (as opposed to CO2 or Carbon DIoxide) and other hazardous gases and the benefits of CO2 are completely overlooked and disregarded, one has to question the “science” behind it … or at least any reasonable person should.

  52. #52
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am, Misscheryl said:

    10:08 am, Send_Me said:
    I still have to wonder how long it will be until “climate change” or “endangerment” is universally accepted as true science, and those who dissent are labeled as “enemies of science”. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time we’ve been down this road

    just like the theory of evolution. PBS spews documentaries as though evolution is factual. It’s taught in our schools as though it’s been proven already and if anybody questions this science, they are considered “bible thumping, gun clinging, ignorant hillbillies.”

  53. #53
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am, WarTip said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am, Misscheryl said: “bible thumping, gun clinging, ignorant hillbillies.”

    As a Bible clinging, gun-toting Hillbilly straight out of the hills of West “By God” Virginia in the heart of the Appalachian mountains, I must contest this vision.

    Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge and can be “cured” with education, facts and a little bit of patience. The abject stupidity and blind faith of most liberal causes far surpasses any such ignorance and borders on the insane with their leap into a blind faith in their mis-guided liberal beliefs without any need for further education and a complete disregard for facts, knowledge or wisdom!

  54. #54
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:34 am, WarTip said:

    And yeah, I know you were not attacking me but … just sayin’

  55. #55
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:39 am, OneMonkeysUncle said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am, Misscheryl said:

    just like the theory of evolution.

    Clearly, you don’t know what the word “theory” means in this context. It means “accepted as true, until proven otherwise.” It’s the “theory” of evolution, and not the “hypothesis” (which is the word you obviously mean) of evolution, because the consensus of scientists is clear: evolution is the best explanation for the appearance of living organisms on earth over time. If you have some PROOF that that’s not true, by all means, present it (and no, the 2,500 year old book of fairy tales does not constitute “proof”). At the very least try to use the terminology correctly, so you don’t appear to be quite as ill-informed while you’re spouting off your nonsense.

  56. #56
    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:54 am, stillontheroad said:

    OneMonkeysUncle said:

    How bout this: Glodal Warming is a SCAM!

  57. #57
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:02 am, Send_Me said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:39 am, OneMonkeysUncle said:

    Case in point.
    I’d love it if a naturalist could answer such questions as to the mechanism for evolution, how life could come from non-life, from where the first energy/matter came, why we see no transitional forms, as admitted by the late Stephen J. Gould, problems such as irreducible complexity… But hey, “The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round.”

  58. #58
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:07 am, Misscheryl said:

    OneMonkeysUncle said

    once again…focusing on the irrelevant and not the relevant..

    ir⋅rel⋅e⋅vant  /ɪˈrɛləvənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-rel-uh-vuhnt] Show IPA
    Use irrelevant in a Sentence
    –adjective 1. not relevant; not applicable or pertinent: His lectures often stray to interesting but irrelevant subjects.
    2. Law. (of evidence) having no probative value upon any issue in the case.

    I won’t argue the meaning of the word “theory” vs “hypothesis” – evolution is presented as though it’s a fact, which of course, it isn’t

    fact  /fækt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fakt] Show IPA
    –noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
    2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
    3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
    4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
    5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law

  59. #59
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:16 am, WarTip said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 10:39 am, OneMonkeysUncle said: At the very least try to use the terminology correctly, so you don’t appear to be quite as ill-informed while you’re spouting off your nonsense.

    Yes nonsense indeed. Theory as in accepted as true. Much like the theorems in advanced mathematics … except even some of them have “exceptions”.

    Finches beaks evolve. Undoubtedly this is true but they remain finches. Some members of certain species develop “abilities” or “evolve” to meet their environmental circumstances yet somehow and mysteriously they remain part of the same species.

    Literally tens of thousands of attempts to mutate and evolve the fruit fly all resulted in mutated forms of the species that failed to survive.

    Are you referring to the theory of punctuated equilibrium perhaps? Even then, there should be thousands of fossil records available showing the transformation right? Oops! Nope!

    A look at the fossil record from the Cambrian period shows us some interesting tidbits to support this “theory” as well.

    “Geologists have discovered many unaltered pre-cambrian sediments and they contain no fossils of complex organisms.” Evolutionists Steven Jay Gould and Sam Singer

    According to The New Evolutionary Timetable: “The record now reveals that species typically survive for a hundred thousand generations, or even a million or more, without evolving very much. After their origins, most species undergo very little evolution before becoming extinct.

    “Insects appeared in the fossil record suddenly and plentifully, without any evolutionary ancestors. Nor have they changed much to this day. Regarding the finding of a fossil fly that was labeled forty million years old, Dr. George Poinar Jr. pointed out that “the internal anatomy of these creatures is remarkably similar to what you find in flies today. In almost forty million years of struggle up the evolutionary ladder, they have made virtually no progress.”

    Charles Darwin in the British journal New Scientist – “It predicts that a complete fossil record would consist of lineages of organisms, showing gradual change over long periods of time.” “The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed must be truly enormous.”

    Yet the excavations of the cambrian period show a great leap from single cell and simple organisms to plants of many different varieties.

    And then there is the horse … according to many encyclopedias, the best record to date of evolution. Except for one small problem … the long-ago “evolved” descendant of the horse was recently discovered to be alive and well and a fox … if the species evolved, why is the original species still around?

    Sorry partner, but the theory of evolution still requires a lot of faith whether or not you are willing to admit it.

    Uninformed? I do not think so!

    2500 year old books? Well, actually the original books go back somewhere around 4000 years ago, were written over the course of 1600 years and still hold a great deal of meaning today and actually carries the same story throughout … but that requires faith to see, believe and understand.

    You probably only believe in science and not in faith … even though it is a pre-requisite for many scientific theories that abound today. More power to you but the reality is, your beliefs are every bit as much based on faith as mine and others. We just readily admit our faith and do not hide behind it as fact for those who do not believe. We are willing to share ideas for those that are interested in learning however.

    Uninformed? I do not think so. Keep trying on that one please. It is unbecoming and incorrect.

    Sorry for the long-winded response but attacking faith-based beliefs with faith-based beliefs just seemed to deserve a response.

  60. #60
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:19 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    A right wing talk show host had a person who described the C(R)AP AND TAX bill as a 1200 page long ECONOMIC SUICIDE NOTE! No chance to read the bill first–we must save the planet!
    ***
    This bill–which should be called the DEINDUSTRIALIZATION OF THE U.S.A BILL–will result in many energy intensive industries (steel, mining, aluminum, ship building, etc.) moving to other countries.
    ***
    Brazil, China, India, Malaysia, etc. are not going to kill their economies by signing on to the greenie agenda. They are going to get many new jobs for their workers. Our new U.S.S.A. workers will be without jobs.
    ***
    HOPE AND CHANGE is here–get ready for the democratic / liberal / socialist / marxist / communist GREAT DEPRESSION II–coming soon to your pocketbook.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  61. #61
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:22 am, Misscheryl said:

    Wartip – dang you’re good! Wow, just Wow! Not bad for a bible thumping, gun toting hillbilly (I can call you one because I are one :) )

  62. #62
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:23 am, DBNinKY said:

    How bout this: Glodal Warming is a SCAM!

    Exactly!

    It corrupts the reliability and veracity of science;

    diverts essential talent and funds from research and actionable strategies to rid the world of hunger and diseases like aids and cancer, and hands these resources over to those who know how to both propagate and capitalize on the myth of AGW;

    and it creates hardships for all Americans, via energy related price increases on all goods and services, by keeping the economy dependent on/at the mercy of foreign energy.

  63. #63
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:34 am, WarTip said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:22 am, Misscheryl said:

    Thank you Ma’am, and yes, I was raised on beans and cornbread and I like my chicken fried. Yes I drive a pick-up truck and I’m full of American pride!

  64. #64
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Misscheryl said:

    Wartip – I cook my green beans with bacon; I fry my chicken AND I’m a coonhunter so you don’t get much more hillbilly than that. I love the life and love the people and wouldn’t trade any of it for anything.

  65. #65
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:45 am, infidel4life said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am, travlinman said:

    In Thessalonians II, the Good Book refers to God allowing those who refuse to hear the truth to believe a lie and to be damned. Sounds a lot like the whole looney left, socialist, global warming bunch doesn’t it.

    Absolutely. And if so many brainwashed drones believe this lie when there is little genuine supporting evidence, how many more will believe an even bigger lie when it’s accompanied by bogus signs and wonders…

  66. #66
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:48 am, WarTip said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Misscheryl said:

    I have to admit that sadly I did. Sadly in some respects I suppose. A long story short, the government has my land because my Dad had a heart attack and I moved to the Philippines so I would not be the closest living next of kin … and that really is a long story … but I now live in the Philippines, I am married to a wonderful woman who can dress a chicken faster than I can, make substantially less than I would need to pay taxes (for now anyhow) and just make a meager living doing my writing.

    I dearly miss my mountains, the hunting and the fishing but all things being equal, I do have to say that I love it here too. It is not really better or worse, just different but at least the Obummer is out of sight if not out of mind.

    Okay, I really miss my pick-up trucks too :(

  67. #67
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:56 am, Misscheryl said:

    Wartip – I’ll eat some fried chicken for you :) and the American made pickups aren’t what they are cracked up to be…ok, ok, I know, I’m not helping much..

    I do hope you can return to your childhood home someday..God is in His heavens and contentment is found when we put our faith in HIS providence. I’m sure you know that though. Goes for you too Monkeysuncle so how bout them apples…

  68. #68
    On June 26th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, WarTip said:

    Hahahahahaha My wife and I both know how to fry chicken but soon I want to get another oven so I can start making cornbread and biscuits. My pickup trucks were all that and then some but I may be prejudiced a bit there. Still, returning home is up to my wife and a whole lot of other things beyond my control. However, we are only visitors here and all of the things of this world are temporary. I know there is a better day coming and that is what remains strongest in my prayers. I know it has kept me going through many troubling days so no matter what some people may think or believe, I can take comfort in that.

    At least here, the government and officials do not hide behind expensive titles or office doors so it really can be a lot more relaxed here as well. Just my two cents.

  69. #69
    On June 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Wartip – yes, I agree with you. It isn’t that we don’t suffer that proves God’s existance, it is how we suffer. Therein lies the evidence of His great love and mercy!

    Thanks!

  70. #70
    On June 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pm, right_on said:

    Enviro-sham Promotion A-holes…

    If proponents of anything have to lie to get their points of view accepted as “fact,” then none of their supporters should be believed about anything they purport as “scientific proof,” or “scientific consensus.”

    The closest definition of their “truths” comes from the latter expression…“scientific con.”

    If it is illegal to yell “fire” in a crowded theater, why is it not illegal to try to panic people falsely, by yelling “crisis?” We must hold these opportunists accountable for stampeding the dumb animals in our melange of uneducated diversity. We give them a pass at our own risk…as history shows.

  71. #71
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:09 pm, alamb said:

    So since the SCOTUS has said that CO2 is a pollutant when can we expect to be taxed for breathing out?

  72. #72
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, prendad said:

    This administration is nothing but an accumulation of arrogant asses that prace around like roosters crowing an endless stream of nonsense. They have done more harm to our country in a few months that I ever could have imagined. I joined the military a long time ago thinking that we were going to war with the USSR and I wanted to be up front when it started. I was fully prepared to fight for my country, but I never thought that the battle would be with my own government. What an infernal mess we are in.

  73. #73
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    … eco-bureaucrats stifled a senior researcher …

    Those who can’t handle the truth,
    try to silence those who speak it.

  74. #74
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, jaaakemm said:

    Shared my outrage with my more or less useless Ohio congressmen & senators this morning.

    ==================

    Vote NO on the “Climate Reform” bill.

    As if you arrogant, out of touch *&=(#*$#+%^ can “reform” the climate.

    I’ll speculate that you have not yet read this bill or even pondered its very negative consequences.

    If you do not possess the required time, energy, resources or wherewithal to read a congressional bill what makes you think you have the mettle to change the climate?

    This bill represents selected commie-marxist, liberal, leftist special interest groups, entities & NGOs desires to feed at the public trough at the expense of my income and liberty. Let’s not forget to also mention that it represents an exponential increase of government power & control over every aspect of taxpayers’ lives.

    Uubama calls it the “jobs bill” using the convoluted Democrat Party vernacular, but all it really represents is a set of massive new taxes on every aspect of taxpayers existence.

    DO NOT pass this bill.

    I need to go now; I need to discover the location of my torches & pitchforks in case their future use is required.

  75. #75
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, prendad said:

    This administration is nothing but an accumulation of arrogant asses that prace around like roosters crowing an endless stream of nonsense. They have done more harm to our country in a few months that I ever could have imagined. I joined the military a long time ago thinking that we were going to war with the USSR and I wanted to be up front when it started. I was fully prepared to fight for my country, but I never thought that the battle would be with my own government.

    There is No Discernable Difference between the agenda of the Communist Party USA (“The Road to Socialism USA“)
    and the agenda of the Democratic party.

    Our Government is now controlled by Democratic Socialist Communists.

    Anthropogenic Global Warming is a complete and utter hoax, perpetrated by the Democratic Socialist Communists in order to bring “imperialist” capitalist nations “to their knees” via massive taxes that “spread the wealth” with the rest of the world.

    The magnitude of the deception is immense, and they will use “any means necessary” to cover-up the truth.

  76. #76
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, Khyris said:

    So, found exculpatory evidence for an innocent man on Death Row?

    “The Governor and the penal system has decided to move forward on execution, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision…”

  77. #77
    On June 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, pueblo1032 said:

    What I’m doing today is calling ALL the members of THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES from my state, and telling them if they vote for this SHAM, I will fire them in 2010…Getting a lot of SO WHAT from the DEMS, but GOP seems to be listening…

  78. #78
    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm, lgm said:

    I read the emails and a few pages of the report. The author of the draft report, Alan Carlin, is not a climate scientist, but an Economist/Operations Research specialist. His superiors criticized his draft report because it relies on data that has not been subjected to peer review. This is a 100% correct criticism (if true) and definitely grounds for withholding the document.

    The emails also make clear that Carlin’s job at the EPA was not climate science and that he was neglecting his actual EPA duties by writing the report.

    Think of it from the EPA point of view. A report from the EPA carries the weight of the US government behind it. The administrator certainly would want to wait until he was satisfied that the report and its conclusions were sound before releasing the report. Carlin wanted to bypass these safeguards and put his personal non-expert opinion out in an official EPA document.

  79. #79
    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    Hi PRENDAD #72. Great post–short, concise, on target–and from the heart. I feel exactly like you do–the enemy isn’t at the gates–they are inside the new President Obama (PBUH) administration and over 50 percent of the new U.S.S.A. House of “Representatives” and Senate (House of “Lords”).
    ***
    Thank you for your service keeping the Russki wolf away from our door. We may be seeing them biting away in the near future–Deja Vu all over again.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  80. #80
    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pm, CleanGuy said:

    Why can’t we have a big volcano blow up and cool everything down for a few years? Where is Mt. Pinatubo when you need it? Can’t have Mt. Redoubt explode or Gov. Palin would be blamed as the cause.

  81. #81
    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. —
    13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers
    .
    Joanne Simpson, the world’s first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak “frankly” of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming “the worst scientific scandal in history.” Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the “new religion.” A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton’s Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

  82. #82
    On June 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, Khyris said:

    His superiors criticized his draft report because it relies on data that has not been subjected to peer review. This is a 100% correct criticism (if true)

    http://tinyurl.com/ktlems

    A source inside the Environmental Protection Agency confirmed many of the claims made by analyst Alan Carlin, the economist/physicist who yesterday went public with accusations that science was being ignored in evaluating the danger of CO2.

    The source, who chooses not to be identified for fear of retaliation, said that Carlin was rebuffed in his attempt to introduce scientific evidence that does not accord with the EPA’s view of global warming, which largely relies on IPCC reports. The source also saw Carlin’s report and said that it was ‘based on 8 points of peer-reviewed, recent and relevant scientific publications’ that cast doubt on the wisdom of regulating CO2 as a pollutant

    This is a 100% correct criticism of Carlin’s superiors (if true) and definitely grounds for considering the document.

    Think of it from the EPA point of view. … Carlin wanted to bypass these safeguards and put his personal non-expert opinion out in an official EPA document.

    This is utter nonsense and here’s why:
    The EPA administrator himself is a “non-expert” who is relying on his own non-”expert” interpretation of scientific studies. This is not “bypassing safeguards” because the administrator is not CREATING the scientific reports out of thin air. Neither did Carlin “create” these studies and demand his opinion of them be passed off uncritically in the EPA report.
    Pure fantasy… Didn’t happen.

    Carlin having the opinion that there EXIST scientific studies which the administrator has not taken into consideration is not “bypassing safeguards”.
    ANYONE can acknowledge the tangible existence of something to which others are currently ignorant, and to demand “expert” qualifications to point out the obvious in such fashion is pure gamesmanship.
    Carlin’s “opinion” that these studies are damning to warming alarmists is irrelevent to the fact that the administration refused to perform its legally mandated duty to review all evidence provided and formulate an opinion of their own either confirming or rejecting Carlin’s conclusion. That was rather the POINT of soliciting “open comment.”

    Please leave any and all feedback regarding the truth of this comment. Unless you disagree with my notion of how awesome it is, in which case just STFU.

  83. #83
    On June 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm, Khyris said:

    P.S. the cheap shot about “neglecting duties” by writing this report is rock stupid.

    Are YOU automatically neglecting your duties at work by posting here? Is everyone now incapable of multitasking or performing important tasks on their spare time? Or are you just making an ASSumption out of yourself?

  84. #84
    On June 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, Khyris said:

    Alan Carlin, who had hosted a series of seminars featuring peer-reviewed scientists who disagree with the IPCC reports (but were unattended by members of the workgroup developing the Endangerment Finding) went public

  85. #85
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm, lgm said:

    I read the emails and a few pages of the report. The author of the draft report, Alan Carlin, is not a climate scientist, but an Economist/Operations Research specialist. His superiors criticized his draft report because it relies on data that has not been subjected to peer review. This is a 100% correct criticism (if true) and definitely grounds for withholding the document.

    The emails also make clear that Carlin’s job at the EPA was not climate science and that he was neglecting his actual EPA duties by writing the report.

    Think of it from the EPA point of view. A report from the EPA carries the weight of the US government behind it. The administrator certainly would want to wait until he was satisfied that the report and its conclusions were sound before releasing the report. Carlin wanted to bypass these safeguards and put his personal non-expert opinion out in an official EPA document.

    And the highlighted text reveals the crux of your problem: they won’t wait, and won’t even review, conclusions (real, peer reviewed conclusions) that run contrary to the party line.

    And as Michelle so aptly notes, who of those running the EPA are climate scientists?

    Al McGartland, his boss, is an economist. On what basis is he quashing the report?

  86. #86
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, WarTip said:

    And LGM, you seem to be disregarding that little LAW that requires the admission of all evidence that was used as well as any and all evidence that was discarded as well?

    Legality? It is certainly not a mere technicality if it is a Law or are you saying that the law does not matter?

  87. #87
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, sbw999 said:

    Another day…another corrupt action taken by this twisted administration. In days gone by, we could count on the free press to inform the public of travesties such as this. No more…the press is in bed with the whores of this adminstration and their special interests. If the 2010 elections doesnt reverse the political trend, say good bye to the “real” America we knew… forever.

  88. #88
    On June 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, MoGal said:

    Here is a link for 31,478 scientists that are skeptics. The petition started in 1998. It has been around for a long time. It really galls me that the press says there are no real scientists that are skeptics. I did not find this via google – the lousy PC group.

    http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php

  89. #89
    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, prendad said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, rocketman said:
    We may be seeing them biting away in the near future–Deja Vu all over again.

    Hi John, “the price of freedom is eternal vigilance”. A good quote, one that I used many times when I was instructing the young pups. I am older now, can’t run the mile and a half in ten minutes any more, but I have 4 M-1 Garands in perfect condition and lots of ammunition. Always on alert. . .
    Rick Prendergast.

  90. #90
    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, lgm said:

    Neither Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, nor Princeton’s Will Happer is an expert on climate science. Neither has any publications in the area. Giaever made his remarks off the cuff and has not acted on them before or since.

    Alan Carlin is not a scientist. He’s not in a science branch of the EPA. His boss also is not a scientist. If he wants to write private reports at home on his own time, fine. He should not be representing these as official EPA documents. His boss determined, the emails don’t say how, that Carlin’s report was not well enough prepared to become an official EPA document.

    MoGal said(#88)

    Here is a link for 31,478 scientists that are skeptics. The petition started in 1998. …

    http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php

    I looked at the list. It does not have professional affiliations. A serious list would allow you to judge the signers and even google them:

    A. B. Calswell, Professor of ** at ** university

    C. D. Evans, Research Staff ** corporation,

    The petition lacks this information and therefore is useless.

  91. #91
    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, Khyris said:

    Alan Carlin is not a scientist. He’s not in a science branch of the EPA. His boss also is not a scientist.

    And the point would be? You must be a scientist otherwise you are incapable of reading reports written by scientists and making reasonable conclusions? Anyone referring credible scientific reports for review, by mere virtue of being a non-scientist, this automatically makes the report uncredible? By that absurd standard you would merely PROVE that both the EPA and Congress are incapable of drafting informed regulation about any scientific matter.

    His boss determined, the emails don’t say how, that Carlin’s report was not well enough prepared to become an official EPA document.

    Actually, he DID say, rather explicitly… just in case you missed it, here it is again:

    “The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round. The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision… I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office.”

    Note the complete lack of any B.S. about it being mis-prepared.

  92. #92
    On June 26th, 2009 at 6:31 pm, Dimsdale said:

    And I reiterate: Al McGartland, his boss, is an economist. On what basis is he quashing the report?

  93. #93
    On June 26th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Seriously lgm, how do you explain warming before human civilization if the science is settled (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n1/abs/ngeo.2007.28.html)? The sea levels were 4-6 meters higher than they are now about 120K years ago, and these liberal chicken littles are screaming about a couple of centimeters!

  94. #94
    On June 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pm, warden said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, lgm said: I looked at the list. It does not have professional affiliations. A serious list would allow you to judge the signers and even google them:

    A. B. Calswell, Professor of ** at ** university

    C. D. Evans, Research Staff ** corporation,

    The petition lacks this information and therefore is useless.

    Reminds me of this.

  95. #95
    On June 26th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, warden said:

    And this.

    During the question and answer session of last week’s William Schlesinger/John Christy global warming debate, (alarmist) Schlesinger was asked how many members of United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) were actual climate scientists. It is well known that many, if not most, of its members are not scientists at all. Its president, for example, is an economist. This question came after Schlesinger had cited the IPCC as an authority for his position. His answer was quite telling. First he broadened it to include not just climate scientists but also those who have had “some dealing with the climate.” His complete answer was that he thought, “something on the order of 20 percent have had some dealing with climate.” In other words, even IPCC worshiper Schlesinger now acknowledges that 80 percent of the IPCC membership had absolutely no dealing with the climate as part of their academic studies.

  96. #96
    On June 26th, 2009 at 7:34 pm, WarTip said:

    On June 26th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Seriously lgm

    Serious and LGM in the same sentence? I am too disheartened to laugh at the moment but that is kinda funny!

  97. #97
    On June 26th, 2009 at 8:41 pm, Leatherneck said:

    I bet the Goracle will have to get a carbon off set credit for his four houses, and big fat mouth, I mean boat.

    This should be a new game to buy at the toy store. I sell you carbon off set credits, but there is only so many to go around. Because you need at least one credit to continue running your pig business, the price just went up. We can call this new game supply and demand of FLATULENCE.

  98. #98
    On June 26th, 2009 at 9:07 pm, Khyris said:

    I intend to buy a big plot of empty land and call it a “factory.” This will entitle me to an allotment of these whimsical “carbon credits.” I will plant trees on the land and demonstrate a negative net emission of CO2.

    I will sell my “factory” produced carbon offsets as if they were a manufactured good in addition to my allotted credits. And if I can’t find private interest, I will always have a guaranteed buyer in whatever dumbass exchange the EPA sets up.

    That’s right kiddies, the government is going to entitle me to make MORE money producing NOTHING than producing SOMETHING.

    Think I’m the only one who’ll figure that one out? Think about what that discovery is going to do for the real GDP?

  99. #99
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:45 pm, scottthong said:
  100. #100
    On June 26th, 2009 at 11:46 pm, scottthong said:

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