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		<title>By: “Sea of Propaganda” &#124; nFiniteEcho.com</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-752888</link>
		<dc:creator>“Sea of Propaganda” &#124; nFiniteEcho.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated (michellemalkin.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: “Sea of Propaganda” - Smart Girl Nation</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-747371</link>
		<dc:creator>“Sea of Propaganda” - Smart Girl Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated  (michellemalkin.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vote Against Cap-and-Trade &#8216;Betraying the Planet&#8217;, says NY Times &#8212; The Truth Is, Vote For Cap-and-Trade Is Betraying Your Kids and Grandkids &#171; Quick Daily Hits &#8212; Politics and Such</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-733083</link>
		<dc:creator>Vote Against Cap-and-Trade &#8216;Betraying the Planet&#8217;, says NY Times &#8212; The Truth Is, Vote For Cap-and-Trade Is Betraying Your Kids and Grandkids &#171; Quick Daily Hits &#8212; Politics and Such</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vote &#8211; passes 219-212 Malkin:  Cap and trade regulations: Do you trust this man? Malkin:  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated Malkin:  Cap-and-tax job loss chart of the day; Plus: A Senate reading assignment Hot Air:  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vote &#8211; passes 219-212 Malkin:  Cap and trade regulations: Do you trust this man? Malkin:  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated Malkin:  Cap-and-tax job loss chart of the day; Plus: A Senate reading assignment Hot Air:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cap-and-Trade&#8217;s Narrow Passage and Faltering Evidence for Climate Change Have Supporters Ratcheting Up Attacks &#171; Quick Daily Hits &#8212; Politics and Such</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-732974</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap-and-Trade&#8217;s Narrow Passage and Faltering Evidence for Climate Change Have Supporters Ratcheting Up Attacks &#171; Quick Daily Hits &#8212; Politics and Such</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vote &#8211; passes 219-212 Malkin:  Cap and trade regulations: Do you trust this man? Malkin:  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated Hot Air:  Video: Boehner slaps down Waxman, filibusters cap and trade; Update: Bill passes, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vote &#8211; passes 219-212 Malkin:  Cap and trade regulations: Do you trust this man? Malkin:  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated Hot Air:  Video: Boehner slaps down Waxman, filibusters cap and trade; Update: Bill passes, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chaosrainz</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-732708</link>
		<dc:creator>chaosrainz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On June 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pm, DBNinKY said: 
Even some Democrats, however reluctantly, are beginning to realize the devastation that cap and trade would present to the coal fields of KY and WV.

“Coal does much more than keep the lights on in the big cities across America,” he said.

“In my district, it covers the mortgage, it puts food on the family dinner table and it keeps open the doors of small businesses.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet, I called Yarmuth and he voted Yes anyway. And just Friday a friend who works closely with the mining industry was telling me that there are NO permits being issued for coal mining right now. 
Francene on 84WHAS is supposed to have Yarmuth on the show Thursday if you&#039;re interested in his excuse. 840 am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On June 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pm, DBNinKY said:<br />
Even some Democrats, however reluctantly, are beginning to realize the devastation that cap and trade would present to the coal fields of KY and WV.</p>
<p>“Coal does much more than keep the lights on in the big cities across America,” he said.</p>
<p>“In my district, it covers the mortgage, it puts food on the family dinner table and it keeps open the doors of small businesses.”
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet, I called Yarmuth and he voted Yes anyway. And just Friday a friend who works closely with the mining industry was telling me that there are NO permits being issued for coal mining right now.<br />
Francene on 84WHAS is supposed to have Yarmuth on the show Thursday if you&#8217;re interested in his excuse. 840 am.</p>
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		<title>By: Will that be cash, credit or fossil fuel? &#171; Finding Ponies&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-732176</link>
		<dc:creator>Will that be cash, credit or fossil fuel? &#171; Finding Ponies&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Branch predict &#8211; we&#8217;ll end up in the long run (Cap and trade or not) having to tap into our natural resources to pay for our 2009 spending. The Treasury bonds [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Branch predict &#8211; we&#8217;ll end up in the long run (Cap and trade or not) having to tap into our natural resources to pay for our 2009 spending. The Treasury bonds [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cap and Trade Passes Despite Climate Changing on Climate Change &#124; The Great Illuminator</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-731257</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap and Trade Passes Despite Climate Changing on Climate Change &#124; The Great Illuminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the costs of everything and wreck our prosperity for a very flawed theory that will achieve little to no effect on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cap-and-Trade Passes in House: And Exactly Why Do These Eight Reps Call Themselves Republicans? &#171; Quick Daily Hits &#8212; Politics and Such</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-731221</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap-and-Trade Passes in House: And Exactly Why Do These Eight Reps Call Themselves Republicans? &#171; Quick Daily Hits &#8212; Politics and Such</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trade liveblog, part 3: (Mini)-Filibuster; Vote time; Final vote &#8211; passes 219-212 Malkin:  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated Malkin:  Cap and trade regulations: Do you trust this man? Hot Air:  Video: Boehner slaps down [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] trade liveblog, part 3: (Mini)-Filibuster; Vote time; Final vote &#8211; passes 219-212 Malkin:  What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes? Updated Malkin:  Cap and trade regulations: Do you trust this man? Hot Air:  Video: Boehner slaps down [...]</p>
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		<title>By: misterbee241</title>
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		<dc:creator>misterbee241</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I have often talked that we may not be able to retire in the county where are living because of high cost of living.  Looks like under Obama we wont even be able to retire in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I have often talked that we may not be able to retire in the county where are living because of high cost of living.  Looks like under Obama we wont even be able to retire in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: SpeakEasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpeakEasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like a junkie, the liberals have to bottom out before they will see what is being done. Last time it took a depression. Ask a former Politburo member what it felt like when the wall finally came down. As long as we are armed, we can never lose our freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like a junkie, the liberals have to bottom out before they will see what is being done. Last time it took a depression. Ask a former Politburo member what it felt like when the wall finally came down. As long as we are armed, we can never lose our freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: GraniteMan</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-730992</link>
		<dc:creator>GraniteMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He himself, as he will say, is not a technical expert.
On June 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, lgm said: &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;He is not an expert but he does have a HUGE conflict of interest by being in a position to make immense  profits from a strong Cap and Trade legislation being passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He himself, as he will say, is not a technical expert.<br />
On June 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, lgm said: </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>He is not an expert but he does have a HUGE conflict of interest by being in a position to make immense  profits from a strong Cap and Trade legislation being passed.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: GraniteMan</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-730988</link>
		<dc:creator>GraniteMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Obama told Joe the Plumber he wanted to redistribute the wealth. All of us dummies thought he meant distribute our wealth to our poor. No Sir! He is sending all our jobs AND all our wealth south of the equator to third world countries! Read &lt;strong&gt;&quot;Obama the Colonial&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; on American Thinker. What is the matter with our Congress? Are they all traitors???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Obama told Joe the Plumber he wanted to redistribute the wealth. All of us dummies thought he meant distribute our wealth to our poor. No Sir! He is sending all our jobs AND all our wealth south of the equator to third world countries! Read <strong>&#8220;Obama the Colonial&#8221;</strong> on American Thinker. What is the matter with our Congress? Are they all traitors???</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin » What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin » What will happen next if cap-and-tax passes?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Salt</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-next-if-cap-and-tax-passes/comment-page-2/#comment-730514</link>
		<dc:creator>Salt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On June 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, lgm said:

He’s the source of the “information” in her post. She posts the quote and agrees with it.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So what?

You&#039;re the one that quibbled over facts versus opinion when no obfuscation on this was made by Michelle.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;    To question Michelle as if she should not have posted the article because you disagree with the premise is not an issue with her journalistic integrity. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed. It’s taking issue with her journalistic competence. A lobbyist is not a reliable source of statements that are &lt;strong&gt;likely to be factually accurate&lt;/strong&gt;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A CEO of a large energy company would be in an expert position to offer his opinion on competitive balance.  Take his opinion or leave it. 

We can all read the article that Michelle linked and draw our own opinions.  You disagree with him (but yet imply that his statement is likely to be factually accurate?).  That&#039;s fine.  If you&#039;re going to reduce him to a lobbyist because of his interest in the outcome, you might wish to consider the same set of interests on the other side.

Comments knocking Michelle&#039;s journalistic competence (or integrity) just seem churlish.  What&#039;s the point in doing it?  We all get that you don&#039;t care for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On June 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, lgm said:</p>
<p>He’s the source of the “information” in her post. She posts the quote and agrees with it.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So what?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one that quibbled over facts versus opinion when no obfuscation on this was made by Michelle.</p>
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<blockquote><p>    To question Michelle as if she should not have posted the article because you disagree with the premise is not an issue with her journalistic integrity.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. It’s taking issue with her journalistic competence. A lobbyist is not a reliable source of statements that are <strong>likely to be factually accurate</strong>.
</p></blockquote>
<p>A CEO of a large energy company would be in an expert position to offer his opinion on competitive balance.  Take his opinion or leave it. </p>
<p>We can all read the article that Michelle linked and draw our own opinions.  You disagree with him (but yet imply that his statement is likely to be factually accurate?).  That&#8217;s fine.  If you&#8217;re going to reduce him to a lobbyist because of his interest in the outcome, you might wish to consider the same set of interests on the other side.</p>
<p>Comments knocking Michelle&#8217;s journalistic competence (or integrity) just seem churlish.  What&#8217;s the point in doing it?  We all get that you don&#8217;t care for her.</p>
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		<title>By: lgm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lgm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Salt&lt;/strong&gt; said (#87):

&lt;blockquote&gt;lgm vehemently defends climate change politicians as experts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have never done this.  I defend, for example, Al Gore as someone who has figured out who the experts are and what they&#039;re saying.  He himself, as he will say, is not a technical expert.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Michelle didn’t quote Jim Mulva. She included the context from the Bloomberg article which quoted him. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;s the source of the &quot;information&quot; in her post.  She posts the quote and agrees with it.


&lt;blockquote&gt;To question Michelle as if she should not have posted the article because you disagree with the premise is not an issue with her journalistic &lt;em&gt;integrity&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed.  It&#039;s taking issue with her journalistic &lt;em&gt;competence&lt;/em&gt;.  A  lobbyist is not a reliable source of statements that are likely to be factually accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Salt</strong> said (#87):</p>
<blockquote><p>lgm vehemently defends climate change politicians as experts. </p></blockquote>
<p>I have never done this.  I defend, for example, Al Gore as someone who has figured out who the experts are and what they&#8217;re saying.  He himself, as he will say, is not a technical expert.</p>
<blockquote><p>Michelle didn’t quote Jim Mulva. She included the context from the Bloomberg article which quoted him. </p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;s the source of the &#8220;information&#8221; in her post.  She posts the quote and agrees with it.</p>
<blockquote><p>To question Michelle as if she should not have posted the article because you disagree with the premise is not an issue with her journalistic <em>integrity</em>. </p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed.  It&#8217;s taking issue with her journalistic <em>competence</em>.  A  lobbyist is not a reliable source of statements that are likely to be factually accurate.</p>
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