Cap-and-tax job loss chart of the day; Plus: A Senate reading assignment
Photoshop: Leo Alberti
A reader with deep expertise in the mining industry took the time to break down the House members who voted yes to cap-and-tax on Friday by coal-producing state. He writes:
I just developed a table of all the Representatives from coal-producing states who voted for Cap & Trade. Included on the table is 2007 statistics for surface-mined and underground-mined coal production (1000s of st) from each of the coal-producing states; number of employees in the coal mining industry for each coal-producing state; number of union employees in the coal industry in each coal-producing state; and the Representative and district represented for each of the cretins who voted for Cap and Trade from, again, each of the coal-producing states.
It is interesting to note…that the coal mines are very capital intensive. That is, they require very large investments in capital equipment to mine the coal. Now, Harnischfeger Corp, a division of Joy Global, makes large mining shovels and draglines. Joy Global is based out of Milwaukee (100 East Wisconsin Ave., Suite 2780, Milwaukee). Its workers are likely union (I’m looking into the numbers and union affiliation), most likely Steel Workers, UAW and/or Teamsters. Joy Mining Machinery manufactures large, expensive underground mining machinery.
Bucyrus International is another manufacturer of large mining machinery–large shovels and draglines, large underground equipment. It, too, is based out of Milwaukee (PO Box 500, 1100 Milwaukee Ave., Milwaukee). It, too, is very much a union operation (Steelworkers , etc).
And then there’s Caterpillar Corp. As we all know, it’s based out of Peorial, Il. Steelworkers, too. Remember this:
“EAST PEORIA, Ill. – President Barack Obama’s stimulus plan may be good for Caterpillar Inc., but the company’s chief executive says the equipment maker will probably have to lay off more staff before it starts thinking about rehiring any of the more than 22,000 employees it already plans to cut.
Even if a stimulus plan passes, it likely will not have an effect on the economy until late this year or early 2010, CEO Jim Owens said after a town hall meeting with the president and Caterpillar workers at a company tractor plant here on Thursday.”
The effect of Cap and Trade on the coal mines and their employees is only the tip of the iceberg. What about all the suppliers? These are just some of the big equipment manufacturers, but there are many, many smaller companies. What about the local suppliers of fuel oil to power those great big haul trucks. Fuel’s going to go up, too.
I put together this table because it’s not only the “Fool 8″ republicans who voted for this atrocity that should be given the boot in 2010. Any and all of the Representatives from coal-producing states who voted for Cap and Trade should be given the Bum’s Rush next election.
I’ve uploaded the entire spreadsheet from reader MINER51 here.
If you live in one of these states, be sure to send a copy to your Senate reps. Who knows? Maybe they’ll actually read it before they vote.
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On a related note, it seems like people are waking up to the story I blogged and columnized about last week regarding EPA’s suppressed global warming study (see June 24 and June 26). Alan Carlin’s study, which you read about in full here just past midnight on June 26, should be required reading for every single Senator before the cap-and-tax vote next week.
Anthony Watts has the final version of the report here.
I’d like to see someone read the entire study on the Senate floor.
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Wow, I thought I’d never get through again. Anybody else have trouble getting into MM.com?
Glad to know it wasn’t just me. I even rebooted my computer.
It was rackspace outage that affected several sites:
See here.
The Executive Summary of the report is absolutely devastating. It destroys in absolutely sound scientific terms the entire Climate Change/Global Warming premise.
Calling lgm………. better take an extra long drink of the Kool Aid before attacking this document. You will need every drop nd then some.
txvet2
Yep, I had trouble too – also, HotAir. But, I’m a patient woman, and knew that the internet gods would smile on our efforts and restore us the ability to make quick and insane remarks for the rest of the day.
As to the topic: I’m so tired of having to question every single motive in D.C.-dem or repub, have to question the motive of every critter that introduces any kind of bill and what’s really behind it, where it will eventually take us and how much it’s going to cost me. This bill is a travesty and we can only pray the senatecritters kill it.
Same here, it took a few times to get here.
I find it hard to feel sorry for the fools in the coal mining states that voted for Obama.
My solution for them is as follows. Hold your Obama 08 bumper sticker in one hand (make sure the letters are facing you) and look in the mirror at the same time. You now see the enemy.
Thanks fools you all have put us in quite a pickle.
The question is, will we be able to recover?
Thanks to MINER51 for the spreadsheet.
Isn’t that kind of research supposed be taught in the freshmen year of journalism school?
I’m old enough to remember when “investigative reporting” was done all the time which earned them lots of public rewards and accolades.
Heard today that the actual “bill” was never “in the well” which is supposed to be a big no no.
The Energy Czar has not fully read the bill either.
Why does the public let them get away with sheet like that?
My God, what a mess we allowed this country to become.Lets get rid of these idiots in Washington DC and the “useful idiots” that put them there. I hear Castro could use will a new batch of sugar cane choppers. Hell Honduras threw out their resident idiot, we could do the same damned thing.
If I’m having trouble getting to one website and can still get to others easily, I can figure it’s a technical problem on that site.
I doubt the Senators will read the study. Congresscritters aren’t much for reading things these days.
I am opposed to cap-n-trade. That being said, the chart may require refinement.
Maryland is my home state, and Reps Hoyer, Cummings, Edwards, and Van Hollen have no Coal related industry in their districts.
I am not dismissing the good work Miner 51 has done. A far more effective chart would be to show the districts where coal is king and the Reps who serve those districts. Including the Reps mentioned in the previous paragraph dilute the impact of the chart. That is, if the intent of the chart is to demonstrate that a Rep is voting against the interests of their district.
I was starting to get michelle malkin withdrawals.
Don’t do that….
This is an absolutely fantastic analysis. You would think with all the $$$$$ available to the Congess sheeple, they would be able to assess the negative impact of this crap and charade bill. This took less than 3 days to spell out the disaster this is. I hope enough Senators wake up and review the many counter arguments to this pathetic bill. They continue to tell us to pound sand. Drives me crazy. Need to stock up on Bud Light before they tax it into submission.
Really, they have no industry powered by coal stations at all? Werid.
I’m certain that no other districts have companies tied to the coal related industry districts either. Really weird?
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Don’t worry about the loss of real U.S. jobs in the coal industry. Or about the much higher energy costs from the new “greenie agenda” windmill, solar, and UNICORN F**T power sources.
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When the United Mine Workers need a “bailout” President Obama (PBUH) will just take over the American coal companies (like GM and Chrysler) and sell them to the Red Chinese. And the new U.S.S.A. taxpayers will pay the union workers and will pay in higher energy costs. Coal will suddenly be “OK” again after the rolling power blackouts start.
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The Messiah will use this plan a lot in the future. Hope and Change you can (‘t) believe in.
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John Bibb
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This is priceless information–thank you. In AZ we had 3 vote for C&T and I don’t think they had any idea of the total numbers of jobs effected. Its notlike they actually read the bill or anything let alone assume that any “facts” contained in the bill would be valid.
What they further don’t realize is the price of electricity that will increase because of their stupidity. Each of these Reps have coal fired plants that supply the energy for the houses of their constituents.
BUT, according to a lacky in the DC office of Gabby Giffords ” we don’t care what our constituents say”. They will care when they are “retired”. A recall effort is in the works but either way they are OUTTA HERE.!!
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/06/taxed-enough-already-4th-of-july-tea.html
There’s a 4th of July Tax Protest Tea Party Near You!!!
He promised to bankrupt the coal industry during the campaign. At least he kept on of those promises.
Change you can believe in?
Well at least our rackspace is back, what ever THAT is. I do have space for a rack for some of the Cap and Trade RINOs but I digress. I imagine that would be illegal as is the knee capping-damn.
I think I’ll cut down a tree and release all its carbon and then burn some old tires. Inviting Mark Kirk over for a weenie roast might be a bit obvious.
MM was specific in the industries she mentioned that were related to the coal industry. Expensive underground mining machinery, large mining shovels and draglines, and fuel oil to power those great big haul trucks. The theme of what MM is talking about is suppliers. In fact the word suppliers is used in the post. Have you read the post?
Western Maryland is a coal producing region, albeit fairly small. The Reps and the districts I mentioned ring Wash, DC. Coal related industries are in short supply there.
Moreover, look up Calvert Cliffs, it is a Nuclear Power Plant in Southern Maryland that supplies a vast majority of the power consumed in the districts I mentioned.
And, please take a real deep breath for this one. There is a power grid that takes power created in one part of the country and transfers it to another depending on need. So, yes one area may get it’s power from coal, nuclear, gas or petroleum, including the DC area. No area is immune. It is not about the power created, it is about the suppliers and coal producers.
My comment is about the effectiveness of making an issue out of districts that have little or no coal related industry. The chart should be refined to give it greater impact. Focus on the districts of the Reps who voted against their self interests.
The people I mentioned don’t really have a dog in this fight.
The mfg. companies will sell those huge pieces of machinery to another country that will mine their coal, not ours -’Bambi will destroy our coal industry, because he said so. So did his inept second in command.
Words have meaning after all….
OK, so how do I send this to Jon Kyle and John McCain of AZ???…ooh ya, Harry Reid too?
Been having trouble accessing more than one conservative blog today. Hmmm.
So coal fired power stations have nothing to do with the coal industry???
You learn something new everyday.
They do if they turn on a light switch.
Cathy B
http://kyl.senate.gov/
McCain? Why bother? His Senate page
Jon Kyl is a solid Conservative–needs to get his Second Amendment record improved, but generally quite good.
To reach Harry Reid you have to look up Pelosi’s butt (ugly visual here) grab him by the feet, pull, then shake his ears open.
McCain will do what he thinks is good for John McCain-during the election he did state he was for Cap and Trade.
McCain Pushes ‘Cap-And-Trade’ Plan to Fight Global Warming
Of course that horses butt can take three positions on any given subject simultaneously. You determine his current position by checking with Megan the Mouth or the leadership of LaRaza, the Latin Kings and MS-13/McCain es un gringo loco.
I hope this helps.
Didn’t the false messiah say something in his campaign like, “Don’t tell me that Americans can’t find a way to burn clean coal!” I’m paraphrasing badly because I can’t remember exactly what he said. Does anyone else recall it? I’ll check back tomorrow.
Come and get them!
“As president, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power.”
Obama said the nation needs to invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and clean coal technology “so the use of coal does not degrade our environment. We can do that if we are investing in the technology, the research and the development.”
Of course, he also said
“We will fire government managers who aren’t getting results, we will cut funding for programs that are wasting your money, we will use technology and lessons from the private sector to improve efficiency across every level of government.”
You know how that is turning out….
Between the EPA memo and the mounting evidence proving AGW is a hoax it is clear that the only true purpose of C&T is as a means to take more of our hard earned money to redistribute to favored constituencies.
I just saw that there has been a nationwide call to conservatives to call in “conservative” on July 30th
Going Galt!
Spread the word!
The country voted in a far left congress and a far left president. A year hasn’t gone by yet and they are making the power play to turn away from the Constitution and values that made this country great, to a country where everyone is controlled except them, the elite. It’s a shame that many people are more interested in the latest on Jackson than they are on how the government is taking all of us down.
What I like is (one of) the excuse used….we didn’t solicit that report so we didn’t have to release it.
Huh?
Of course what he meant was “I personally have no idea how to accomplish any of these. I don’t know any of the physics or chemistry involved. Thermodynamics is a word I had in my third grade spelling bee – but I have no idea what it really is or if it even has anything to do with energy. But with that said – I heard these are good buzzwords because 99% of the population is as clueless as I am. Since I HATE USA and everything she stands for, I’m going to invoke these buzzwords and use them to help me in my quest to destroy USA.”
Better hire a reader, they don’t know how to.
Reading Rainbow in the US Senate! I like it!
Arizona…you generally can make me laugh, but this comment just destroyed me! Picture it! This could very well be a comment that I think about weeks, even years later and laugh all over again. Johnny Carson had a few of those over the years that make me crack up even today. Thanks. I needed that.
I can only see ONE WAY to fight this Crap & Steal Obama wet dream.
By Following the United States Constitution, and The Tenth Ammendment.
Each State has its own Constitution, and the Founding Fathers were alot smarter than the Pinheads in DC now. By invoking thier 10th Ammendment Rights, each State can basically TELL Washington to take a leap. I think that is what has to be done.
I believe I heard on FOX News the other day that some states are doing just that. I pray the idea takes hold. It is a constitutional right and now is the time to use it!! We MUST bring sovereignty back to the states where it belongs. I just wonder if only the red states will do it and the blue states won’t. That could get interesting. I live in a blue state, but I am not totaly against moving.
They did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_SB7g_Yb-0
BRAVO!
So where was this debate during the primaries and during the election. The Republicans by sleepwalking through this election, through all of us down a giant Gored-up planet.
You know what gets me? That “green energy” PSA commercial where Obama equates fixing levees in New Orleans with the lunar landing.
Comparing Project Apollo (no, black kiddies — NOT the theater!) with patching a DIKE??
This is the mental giant mindset of this man in how he views the major achievements and capabilities of America. He knows squat about science, yet has the nerve to say he’s a science adherent like how windmills and solar panels and singing whales are going to cure our energy needs!
I pray the people in the Senate “get it”.
James Greenidge
Queen NY
I posted this on another thread. It seems more appropriate on this one. Sorry about that.
On June 30th, 2009 at 10:02 am, happyscrapper said:
Every time I hear one of these morons on TV say, “We must do something about global warming NOW, or our grandchildren won’t have a planet to live on”, I want to scream, “They won’t be able to afford to even eat, so what’s the difference???” Try to keep up, libs…global warming is so “yesterday”. It is now “climate change”. So, instead of dealing with a warming planet, we need to deal with…what? Cooling? Nothing? Or are you still stuck on the stupid of “carbon dioxide”? I am so confused. Which argument are they spewing now? Some are with the warming scenario. Some are with the carbon stuff, so far, I haven’t heard anyone talk about the fact that we are now cooling. Has anyone actually tried to ask these questions of Al Bore?
I saw that EPA guy Carlin on F&F this morning (between Michael Jackson stories) and Gretchen said they had received an email from the EPA disputing his version of the facts. It said something along the lines of the EPA did a full study of the facts and in the interest of transparency, made a full disclosure of all findings.
It was sent from “ANONYMOUS”.
Carlin said it was all BS.
Actually happyscrapper – saying the planet has a particular temperature has exactly the same amount of meaning as saying the phone book has an average telephone number.
On June 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am, walterc said:
http://townhall.com/cartoons/cartoonist/NateBeeler/2009/06/1
Great cartoon.
BTW, I link to these sometimes and the link changes, so I tried to get to a more durable link.
The idiots from Missouri are just as thick as pigs’ dirt. I can’t believe people voted for them.
From what I understand, our global climate, revealed by several sets of data from the actual, factual EARTH (as opposed to that model earth the AGW crowd loves) is usually far LESS hospitable than it has been for most of modern history.
Mankind seems to have caught a break…or been blessed…in the recent period by unusually temperate climate conditions, which have fostered the advance of science, culture, the arts, and human endeavors generally.
We didn’t do anything to make that happen, and the power to make it last one more day is completely beyond us…especially since we really don’t understand why it happened in the first place.
ANYONE and I mean ANYONE who would vote for a bill that would change the lives, for the worse, of the people of the United States, in Total IGNORANCE has betrayed their positions. They no longer have the right to represent the people of the United States. Proud ignorance! they seem to be Proud that they have NO idea of what they voted for….only that Nancy told them to…..They are outlaws…and they are going to have to silence those who would appose them…the line has been crossed……
If they don’t read the bills before they vote on them why do we think these stupid a$$e$ will read anything we send them? Vote’em OUT! in 2012.
C’mon, people! Can’t you just be the noble savages you were intended to be?!
Poop in a dirt pit, wear cornhusk aprons, & shiver in the glorious ice & snow of the North American winter! Don’t cut down blessed trees. Don’t eat or wear the animals.
Shut up. Sit down. Contract malaria & die & decrease the world’s population, since you didn’t have the decency to get aborted to begin with.
My grandfather before he passed remembered wagons crossing the Mississippi at St Louis over the ice. I remember 1938 about the hottest summer on record here and also remember 1954 when temperature here in St Louis reached 114 degrees. We have never been near those temps since so what the hell is our situation, warming or cooling? Seems awful nice here today about 88 for high and gentle breeze. If this is global warming fire up those smokestacks!
Errah
This is true. Maryland has no industry. We managed to run off Beretta, boat builders, auto manufactures and the like with all the taxes and regulations that the grand thinkers in Annapolis could muster over the past thirty years. The only thing we do produce is anchor babies from what I can tell. The vast majority of taxpaying lemmings left here are to fill out the hollowed out carcass of our state’s economic engine and tax roles feeding the local and state tax and spend liberals, bureaocrats and lobbiest who continue to suckle at the teat of the ever diminishing taxpayer base. Consider us the California of the east. Pray for the Free State and its demise. Van Hollen, Cummings, Hoyer and Pelosi come from a long line of stooges who have rigged the system and set up an ever growing group of residents and illegals who believe it is their lot in life to sign up for every state and local government handout that the taxpayers can and must afford them. Jerrymandering has alloted these political scumbags the ability to maintain a death grip on the control of what happens here. Its almost like the nation in microcosm, The populated areas are liberal blue and vote democrap and the less populated areas are red and more conservative. I look across the Potomac and see Virginia is about 20 years behind us in the process with dimwits like Moran, Warner, Webb and McAulliffe as the best the Ole Dominion has to offer it citizenry.
And here in Minnesota it is “unseasonably cool”. Right now it is 58 degrees. I am wearing jeans and a sweater. A couple days ago, I was wearing shorts. I think it is called “normal temperature fluctuations” or something like that. Neither global warming or global cooling. Why is everything GLOBAL with those idiots? Geez.
Has anyone ever seen what the ideal temperature is supposed to be? And who decides that? Is there a concensus of scientists that will decide policy? It seems like the scam of the century to me — the earth is warming/cooling (pick one) so buy these “carbon offsets” and everything will be ok. Jeez – give me Worldcom and Enron anyday — at least their scams weren’t cult-like.
Great point! The private sector can’t TAKE your money. You have to give it to them.
Our “friends” in government CAN AND WILL take what you have.
Time to STARVE THE BEAST. Peaceful civil disobedience works. It will work best when the jugular of the beast is attacked.
But only if you currently cling to your Bible and guns. If you are sucking on the social teat life is beautiful! You just may live to see that great, great come and get it day!