Dear Mark Sanford: Buy a one-way ticket to Argentina already and be gone
I am getting almost as sick and tired of the never-ending Sanford circus as I am of the never-ending Jacko circus.
The mistress says she’s “hurt.”
The adulterous governor can’t stop yammering about God and the Bible.
And now there’s more sex, lies, and tears:
In a lengthy, emotional interview with The Associated Press, the governor described seven meetings with the woman, including their first in 2001. Sanford says there have been five over a 12-month period, including two multi-night stays with her in New York.
It was the first disclosure of any get-togethers with her in the United States and contradicted a public confession last week during which he admitted to a total of four encounters in the past year.
I found this passage in Cheaty McCheater’s latest online apology most stomach-turning:
So in the aftermath of this failure I want to not only apologize, but to commit to growing personally and spiritually. Immediately after all this unfolded last week I had thought I would resign – as I believe in the military model of leadership and when trust of any form is broken one lays down the sword. A long list of close friends have suggested otherwise – that for God to really work in my life I shouldn’t be getting off so lightly. While it would be personally easier to exit stage left, their point has been that my larger sin was the sin of pride. They contended that in many instances I may well have held the right position on limited government, spending or taxes – but that if my spirit wasn’t right in the presentation of those ideas to people in the General Assembly, or elsewhere, I could elicit the response that I had at many times indeed gotten from other state leaders.
Their belief was that if I walked in with a real spirit of humility then this last legislative term could well be our most productive one – and that outside this term, I would ultimately be a better person and of more service in whatever doors God opened next in life if I stuck around to learn lessons rather than running and hiding down at the farm.
They have also made the point that a good part of life is about scripts – that the idea of redemption isn’t something that Marshall, Landon, Bolton and Blake should just read about, it’s something they should see. Accordingly, they suggested that there was a very different life script that would be lived and learned by our boys, and thousands like them, if this story simply ended with scandal and then the end of office – versus a fall from grace and then renewal and rebuilding and growth in its aftermath.
He claims the best thing he can do for his boys is spend more time away from them trying to salvage his political career.
He wasn’t thinking of his boys’ best interests on Father’s Day weekend or over the past eight years. And he isn’t thinking of their best interests now.
So, go buy a one-way ticket to Argentina already, Gov. Sanford, and spare us all the continued spectacle and ready-for-prime-time agony.
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What’s next: Mark Sanford bawling on Dr. Phil? Touring his NYC love nests w/Tyra Banks? Self-flagellating on The View?
Enough already.
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Allahpundit: “His aides seriously need to start steering this guy away from microphones before he ends up telling us which positions he and Maria tried.”
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So, when Governor Sanford confessed and apologized to the citizens of South Carolina and of this country, he lied?!? I believed he should resign immediately, and this latest revelation just confirms my opinion.
King David, he ain’t!
Yes, Sanford must go.
That he doesn’t get this reveals more about his ego, and the echo chamber he’s living in.
Not sure if a one-way ticket to Argentina would help – I do believe people can grow and change – but most people are not strong enough to grow and change in the intense glare of media scrutiny.
Mew
Not to lay down the sword might be in his best interests but not in our best interests.
He is proven to be a liar and a cheat. As a human he can be granted a second chance, not as an elected official.
I am so sick of these clowns – all of them.
Resign already.
Either get into therapy with your wife, or seek a divorce.
But abandoning the state for almost a week, a state with a history of earthquakes, a state devastated before by hurricanes, during hurricane season, with no way to be reached, implies he is just not capable of being governor.
Charlie Crist, another Republican disaster, is setting Florida up for a disaster.
Oh criminy!
As Michelle said (paraphrasing here) if he can’t be honest with his wife and children, how can we expect him to be honest with the people of SC?
Don’t go away mad. . . just go away.
When will the RNC grow some balls and start getting rid of these clowns. This guy needs to GO NOW for the good of the Republican party.
The RNC is USELESS and will no doubt give money and support to this dipchit and the 8 Aholes who voted for cap & trade.
The Rupublican party left ME and now they get NONE of my money.
Mark Sanford is just another distraction. He is but one little fish in a ocean filled with predators. He has been singled out, separated from the safety of the school, and is now dinner. Let’s move along, and do what’s in the best interest of the school.
The only lesson some would-be conservatives need to learn, but apparently haven’t, is;
Stray from the safety of conservative principles at your own risk. Don’t expect others to follow you into the mouths of sharks, or pity you for your self-inflicted lapse of intelligence. The integrity of the conservative value system is more important that one little fish.
Further discussion of Mark Sanford, in my view, borders on gossip. Can we please focus?
I predict we will soon be learning of his conversion to the democratic party.
Look, guys – Meghan McCain said we should just get over it! http://tinyurl.com/nrfkdc
Personally, I’m heartbroken. He was my #1 2012 choice. But I won’t slam him for using God as his crutch. That’s between him and God.
I am not a fan of Letterman, but he was right when he made a joke about North Carolina invading South Carolina on Father’s Day. Wanting him out of office because he abandoned the state is a load of carp. There are plenty of adults who live in SC who could have handled any issue that arose. I’m also told that there is television and radio and phone service in Argentina. Assuming Sanford could have pulled his head out of wherever it was long enough to notice something other than Maria’s big assets.
Let’s keep our eyes on the birdie and our offensive going against Cap and Tax plus the HealthCare Reamer Bill that is coming.
Mark Sanford is a distraction.
The Sotomayor nomination is on the ropes—- let’s finish the job.
Don’t give Soetoro anything he wants. He will become angrier and we can exploit that domestically as our enemies are exploiting him overseas.
Also, keep focused on preparing what is left of your financial house for the wholesale migration out of US dollars and US treasury bonds. It is not going to be pretty.
Are we going to look back and say we had our focuse diverted by Mark Sanford’s sexual complications? Or Jacko The Whacko’s drug addiction pecadillos?
I appreciate the coverage of what Sanford the Buffoon has done and continues to do here on MM.
But I really don’t want to spend much more time on him.
I won’t judge him. He is choosing the life he is leading and there are consequence for every moral and immoral choice. Judgement is in God’s hands.
The Light of God shines on the moral and the immoral.
Bear1909 out.
Getting busted after bungling an affair is a funny time to “Come to Jesus.”
Part of me wants to say, “Better late than never.” But before I can, another voice says, “Yeah, but does he really mean anything he says in his showcase contrition?”
I’m no Bible scholar, but I recall reading passages in the New Testament to the effect that true believers pray in private while the hypocrites make a public demonstration of it.
There’s got to be some natural law that holds that the depth of one’s religious conviction is inversely proportional to the amount of time spent trying to convince others of how devout you are.
Sanford the Idiot is my “Exhibit A” in support of the existence of this natural law.
I don’t care if Sanford uses God as his crutch, but if he used taxpayer money to fund his getaways, he should face the law.
Someone stick a fork in this guy.
Whatever happened to total humiliation and slinking off quietly to rebuild your life with your family? How can we miss you if yo won’t go away? Please just shut up already! We get it! You’re sorry, and so are we, but you are no longer qualified to be in charge of a dog kennel,nevermind be a governor!
As a former South Carolinian, who voted for Sanford before moving out of the State, I am very dissapointed in him. Not only has he embarrassed everyone involved, but he should now quickly resign. Staying in office with a cloud over your head is reserved for Democrats
Pfffffffffft. I have expelled flatulence that doesn’t smell as bad as this guy.
Stay or go, the MSM will doggedly continue to trample Gov Sanford and his family as long as there’s a chance of damaging the GOP in the process.
Message to the MSM: Sanford is neither my president nor my governor; he decides nothing that directly affects me or my family. But Obama’s tax and trade legislation, which passed the House while you distracted away our attention with this Sanford soap opera and the Jackson family’s private loss, has that power.
How about if you guys in the MSM tried bringing us some real news for a change?
For starters, how about investigating the Cap and Tax bill – which just passed the House w/o even being read – and the affect it will have in raising both prices and unemployment? How about the fact that Obama’s health care plan will limit treatment-/coverage to the young and healthy and take away our choices? How the fact that Obama and the Democrats have increased the both the debt and deficit to astronomical highs and have no plans to bring spending under control?
The news is out there – if you guys in the media would stop self-censoring yourselves in support of the Obama agenda long enough to report it!
Priorities…Sanford can’t get them streight. Step down as governer, drop the sophamoric love affair, and get some help healing your marriage.
… social conservatives.
Sanford will be remembered as having given new meaning to “hiking the Appalachian Trail.”
OMG…Who is “THEY”? Does the man really have any friends left?
It’s enough to make me gag. And then the post on Crist — what an empty suit HE is. I’m from Florida, a Republican, and let’s hope they vet all these “frontrunners” for 2012 this year so we can get this over with and get on with taking back the WH and senate and house. Sanford has to go and Crist has to lose. Good grief!
Who’s left?
I am of the understanding his people did not know where he was. It doesn’t matter if there is a Lt. Governor there, if there was a natural disaster, there would be time spend looking for the governor before the Lt. Gov. could step up and assume the duties of the governor. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it wouldn’t take an act of the lege or a court order to appoint the Lt. Gov. as acting governor, and I doubt anyone below the rank of governor could call out the National Guard or declare a state of emergency.
What makes you think Sanford had the TV or his cell phone on when he was on his tryst.
Yes, a man who cheats on his wife can’t be trusted, but he abandoned his station.
If he directed state workers, such as his security detail, to take him to the airport and not disclose that fact, he may have been guilty of a crime. If he used a state vehicle to go to the airport, or a state computer to arrange his personal tryst, he may also face criminal charges for misuse of state equipment.
He should resign, and if he doesn’t, he may have criminal liabilities, and even if he doesn’t, he deserves impeachment.
yaawwwnnnnn!!!!!
South Carolina newspapers all want him to stay too… as evidenced in a full-page ad:
http://thediscust.com/?p=536
/s
Barney Frank- it is ok to let a guy run a gay prostitution ring from the house in exchange for free sex, because Barney Frank doesn’t have any standards or morals, right?
What’s your take on Rubio?
Actually, Crist may be helping Floridians who live in hurricane prone areas by allowing the state to re-insure hurricane losses at rates far below what is neccesary based on the risk.
The big one hits, the state fund quickly goes broke, and if Obama thinks it will turn a toss-up state solidly Demonratic, expect the taxpayers of the other 49 states to make up the difference. All the coastal residents are made whole, paying way below what they should have for insurance.
Crist is governing as a Democrat already, if you think about it. He has pre-Federalized private disaster insurance in Florida.
Michelle, what is your standard for forgiveness?
“Commit to growing emotionally and spiritually?”
OK, first of all there’s the whole issue of “credibility.” Has this dufus learned NOTHING? If he said the sky was blue, I’d double check.
Second, the whole concept of “committing to growth” is one of those inane “power of positive thinking” platitudes that merely fills dead air. It’s like Obama claiming to ’save jobs.’ There is no way to measure it, making it meaningless.
Oh, and btw… THIS CLOWN was a “key player for the Republican POTUS race?” This idiot?
Once again, if you are tall and thin you are credited with capabilities far beyond what you actually have. This man is an idiot. Clingy, needy, whiny… how did he bag a good looking Argentine, again?
Editorial addressing why it might be a bad idea for Sanford to resign. Apparently the guy who would replace him is an even bigger idiot.
http://www.thestate.com/opinion/story/846650.html
I had pecadillo for lunch today.
No, wait, that was picadillo. Sorry.
…lgm
As long as you keep showering attention on him, he’ll keep up the confession tour. Ignore him and he’ll eventually just go away.
So… he considered resigning out of a sense of honor then….. changed his mind because he can’t walk away from his personal need for “renewal”?
It’s not the heat that bothers me so much, it’s the humility.
Between Sanford and Michael Jackson I’m about sick of both. Really tells you a lot about our media and society when the “hot topic” is “sex, drugs and gossip” over the destruction of America with the non-coverage of the cap and tax.
Actually, the BEST message and lesson his sons could get IS that being a lying cheat gets you banished to the cornfield of life!!!!!!!!!!
Giving them the lesson that you can lie and cheat and there will be no consequences is the WORST lesson they could be taught.
I like you, spaceycakes.
This has NOTHING to do with anyone’s standard of forgiveness. This is HIS life and the consequences of HIS bad choices. The public deserves someone they can trust.
Joy I believe it does.
What is your standard of forgiveness?
Here’s mine:
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
Dear Gov Sanford,
Please resign now!
It’s not Michelle’s place to forgive him, his sin is against his wife, children and perhaps the people of SC.
Michelle I think correctly points out that his actions call into question his integrity, voracity and character. If these things are not important for a public official, then there is no problem. I happen to believe they are.
Genuine repententance plays itself out in actions over time. Talk is cheap. I think resigning is not the issue, it’s whether he sincerely tries to reconcile his marriage and do the right thing for his children. Time will tell.
Swede,
Not Michelle’s place to forgive him but it is her place to condemn him?
That lets Michelle out of forgiveness completely, which is an obligation by the way.
You do know that if you didn’t blog about it, it wouldn’t have as much publicity. I hadn’t heard about Sanford anywhere but here.
Woah is me, I have no idea why I’m so fat. . . it’s genetic, but this food is SOOOOOOOO GOOD. Give me more food. Why am I so fat?
and on. . . and on. . . and on. . . and on.
You use up publicity to complain about the publicity that he gets. You don’t have to cover it.
Sanford isn’t going to resign – ever. I wouldn’t, you wouldn’t, he and his family won’t be ‘better’ if he resigns. The people of SC won’t be ‘better’ if he resigns either.
I agree with bear1909. Where is OUR focus. To heck with the distractions, let’s get on with it and take our country back!
My take on Rubio is very positive. The man has conducted himself very well and is thoughtful and well-spoken. I think he is the real deal and he is the one I am supporting. Why the RNC is enfatuated with Crist is so puzzling to us. He is a loser. When McCain had him on the short list, we were all shaking our heads saying “You’ve GOT to be KIDDING! No, NO! Not HIM!!!”
Rubio, IMO, is someone to watch. Long term. I can see HIM doing a lot of good for FL and the country.
What a disappointment Sanford is. Glad we found out now rather than later.
Next!
get out of here ya bum, what a whiny a$$, only thing he’s sorry about is getting caught.
+1
Probably…unfortunately this is also how Christianity in the US has gone in a lot of ways. Going to church is less and less about your actual relationship with God and more who do you know, can kiss a$$ with, and how high up the social totem pole you….and “forgiveness” will correspondingly be appropriated to you by your fellow congregants on that basis. I’ve seen that already.
The fact that Gov. Sanford actually asked Rush Limbaugh not to go so hard on Obama at the top of the year is indicative that that he is and was a RINO of the worst kind.
As far as slimy politicians go, give Governor Sanford a small measure of credit. He at least got his mistress back to Argentina safely. Teddy Kennedy could not get his across a bridge.
love2rumba,
I’m curious as to your view on Christians forgiving one another, which your post seems to suggest is unimportant.
I only bring it up because the Lord’s Prayer, as I learned it, says “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
Does your version of the Lord’s Prayer omit that line?
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
…Sptizer, McGreevy, Clinton, Frank, et al. Dems do it and Repubs too. None of them Women, huh lgm? It would be more logical to indict male politicians than political parties.
Male politician Sanford had so little self control that he abandonded his post. That’s why he needs to go. And that creepy (tmi) newsconference where he talks about his mistress was telling in that he was clearly not over her. He needs to get his act together and fix his life before he can lead.
He did nothing to Michelle to need her forgiveness. She can ignore him or have an opinion and she chose to give her opinion.
Forgiveness comes from the Creator and is given in abundance through His Son.
The idea that keeping his position after not laying down his sword (falling on it would have been preferable) is somehow God led is a joke at best. He talks about humility and, then, talks about what a great work he can do if he sticks it out. PLEASE!!! If he were concerned about making things right with God, he would step down and make more time for God and family. God can help him get back on the right path. To continue on the same path that led to his destruction is futile.
Oh, and being “Christian” does not mean we cannot call a sin a sin. Sure we should not cast the stone. Nor should he have stoned his family in the horrifying manner in which he did.
We are called to go and sin no more. If this person can do that, he has found repentance. NOTHING in his diddy showed any sign of repentance. It was a letter to let everyone know he will not step down – even for the good of the many.
Sorry, but affairs of the heart and soul don’t diminish his very correct stance on limited government. I agree he should just STHU, but I can still appreciate the bold stance he took with the “stimulus” money.
On-my-soap-box,
You also may want to review the Lord’s Prayer on the obligation of offering forgiveness to those who trespass against us.
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
I know it backwards and forwards. He did not trespass against me. He stomped on his family and said it unfolded over the last week when it had been unfolding for months. After crushing his family, he should put them first. Not going to happen. No repentance which, by the way, IS what the Word is about.
Your link gives the example of Letter(wo)man and Palin. Palin has always been about class. She was harmed and Dave’s non-apology apology was his worst joke yet. She forgave him. Good on her. I wouldn’t give Dave the time of day and you know something – I do not have to. Dave should seek forgiveness from the Creator and leave the joke telling to professionals.
I dont know what your problem is Justifed, but Michelle does not have to forgive Sanford because he didn’t do anything to her or her family.
Anyway, forgiveness does not entail letting someone off the hook for the natural consequeces of their actions. I forgave my cousin’s killer, but he still had to go to jail.
Michelle is calling for the natural consequences of Sanford’s bad acts. Enough said.
So soapbox,
You appear to have no sense of public opprobrium, which of course contributes greatly to lowered standards of behavior in society.
You really think that Sandford’s trespass against his family means only they can condemn him and only they can forgive him.
Also by your standard, you shouldn’t have been offended at all by Letterman’s comments since it wasn’t about you or your daughter.
Hopefully you see the fallacy of your position without my having to post more examples.
I wish Michelle would post her standard for forgiveness so I might understand it.
By your standard, I have no interest someone robs the corner store and kills the clerk.
Ditto for you happy2be here.
By your standard we should have accepted Clinton’s excuse that he and Monica, as well as he and his lie to the Federal Court, was just a personal matter.
I have a bit more expansive view of things, which is why I also maintain a righteous sense of forgiveness, as does Sarah Palin:
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
I’m with Michelle; just take your lying, cheating self and get the hell outta here. Only way to deal with a cheater is getting rid of him, which is exactly what the GOP and the state should be doing. For goodness’ sake, the man abandoned his post and his family for a rendez-vous! Since I am not a Christian I will volunteer to cast the first stone and then the rest of you can just follow.
P.S. Get back to me when: “Thy will be done on earth”. Okay?
My interest would be justice (for which there is a crwon in the next life) and not forgiving and forgetting so the perp can “go and sin no more”.
I’m curious then,
What would Michelle and/or her readers need to see for forgiveness to come to Sandford.
Please don’t be vague or general. Tell me exactly what you would want to see, so I can understand your standard of forgiveness.
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
If the murderer was not sorry, and the clerk were my daughter and you forgave the guy, I would wonder who you think you are.
So far, all we hear from Sanford is talk. And the sincerity is questionable. I would know he had character if he confessed this before being caught, and offered to reimburse the state for his bimbo vacation before it became public. Now his character, veracity and integrity (not to mention his sanity) are justifiably, if not necessarily called into question. That is not condemnation. Though I agree completely with his policies, if I lived in SC I would forgive him AND call for his resignation.
O for the days when men were men. Sanford…please have a nice tall glass of stfu!
Col 3:23 And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men;
Col 3:24 knowing that from the Lord you shall receive the reward of the inheritance. For you serve the Lord Christ.
Col 3:25 But he who does wrong shall receive justice for the wrong which he did, and there is no respect of persons.
J-right?
J-right?
Now, my question(s). Did Sandford live to this standard? (Post #71)
Is God really rewarding Sandford for living to this standard as Standford suggests?
Sorry I had to drive one of my kids to an appointment.
You’ve changed the subject, soap. Condemnation he has. I’m talking about Michelle’s standard forgiveness. She has not posted it here or at her post on Facebook, either.
J-Right – Sigh. You are missing the point.
Help me, swede. What point have I missed?
Oh! Oh! Can I pick?!
Okay, I’ll take ’self-flagellation’ for $400.
John Deaux–I like you too.
J-right,
How about post #71 for the standard?
Col 3:25?
JustifiedRight – Michelle owes you no response whatsoever. She’s under no obligation to post her standards of forgiveness. Quite honestly I’m a little taken back that you think she does owe this.
What is going on here?!
Do posters challenge the forum itself this much on DKos or HuffPo??
Soap Col 3:25 has to do with condemnation. We are past that with Sandford.
I’m looking for the standard for forgiveness, which I believe is laid out in my column:
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
Yes Joy, Michelle does owe it to us all to post her standard for forgiveness.
She has certainly posted her condemnation. That triggers her to address the standard of forgiveness since Sandford is seeking it.
Unless she isn’t Christian. Not that there’s anything wrong with that – but she should just say so.
Justified right, aren’t you confusing things? By your standard, Jenny must let him back in the house, right now, without delay!
I believe she’s forgiven him – but it doesn’t mean she (necessarily) lets him back in the house immediately. And it doesn’t mean the public (or God, for that matter) lets him have his cake and eat it too, as if he never “ate the forbidden fruit.”
There is no such thing as a free sin. Don’t you get that basic principle? Or was that only for Adam and Eve, and Jesus lets us sin freely that grace might abound? (I think you think forgiveness means erasing all consequences, and that there can be no “discipline” or reaping or “reward.” But if you are without discipline, you are not a son.)
“Bring forth fruit in keeping with repentence.” Fruit doesn’t mean just words, or just tears, because even the worst tele-evangelists can do those things quite well, without repenting.
P.S. If he is in Christ, there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1). That doesn’t mean he is free to sin with no consequence.
jright,
I agree that if Sanford asks for forgiveness from someone, then they should forgive him, and of course, he should ask sincerely, seek counseling to help overcome his character flaws, put in verifiable safeguards to avoid even the appearance of evil in order to rebuild trust.
However, there are consequences for his actions. The consequences of David’s adultery with Bathsheba and his murder of her husband, Uriah, during the cover up, were severe:
-death of his son born to Bathsheba
-the remainder of his life marked by violence
-betrayal by his son, Absalom, who attempted to take his father’s throne by murdering him. This includes a large part of David’s subjects and the military rebelling against him.
-a very public humiliation by Absalom when he slept with his father’s wives
-the death of his son Absalom
-disqualified from the privilege of building God’s Temple
I’m not saying that these type of things will happen to Mark Sanford, nor do I wish them upon him, but there will be severe consequences for his sinful behavior. Even David, when confronted by Nathan immediately acknowledged his wrongdoing. After Mark Sanford was confronted by his wife, he begged her to let him continue to see his lover! …not quite following David’s example.
Some men are up to the challenge. I would submit that the Gov isn’t…
Excuse me, but I dont think MM (or any other blogger)owes anything to anybody. This is a forum, in which we are invited guests. And questioning somebody’s status as a “Christian” is over the line IMHO.
dtestard,
Forgiving him and continuing a relationship aren’t the same thing.
So no one on Malkin.com wishes to be heard on what Sandford would have to say/do to be worthy of forgiveness?
Interesting. Condemnation, which requires no effort, flies freely here. Forgiveness, which requires effort, seems to be without a champion here.
wwjd?
http://tinyurl.com/ldsblk
J-Right, see previous post #69. MM has not called for his execution, imprisonment, resignation or impeachment. She has not condemned him. She is illustrating apparent flaws in his character, veracity, integrity (not to mention sanity). Forgiveness is not the issue. Forgiving someone for a trespass committed against a third party is meaningless. Again, if I lived in SC I would forgive him AND call for his resignation, based on his irresponsible behavior in office, i.e. using state funds for an affair and going AWOL without delegating authority or leaving a way to contact him.
Thanks Jet Jaguar for addressing the topic.
You are on the issue of penance, which, as you are correctly pointing out, is certainly one of the requirements for me to owe forgiveness.
What penance would you require of Sandford for him to be allowed our forgiveness?
Sanford is a POS.
If he had any honor, he’d resign.
Obviously, he doesn’t.
Swede it looks to me like Michelle has called for his banishment to another country.
That seems like a lot.
You’ve hit on exactly what prompted me to wonder about Michelle’s standard for forgiveness, which up until now, she is reluctant to give.
“forgiveness” and “consequences” are not the same.
Jet Jaguar got it right… Choose to sin, choose to suffer.
This isn’t about judging Sanford’s motives… that’s God’s domain… but judging Sanford’s actions… well that’s different, because the criteria is established in God’s Word.
Sanford is undeserving of the governorship. If he is serious about restoration, he needs to foucus in on his wife… not political office. Markie stubbornly clings to his “pride issue”.
What a PIG.
‘forgiving’ & ‘forgetting’ are two different words & have nothing to do with each other. As men, we cannot even begin to fathom that which is of the G-dly realm.
Be as wise as serpents & gentle as doves.
Religion is one thing. Politics is another. The Republican party is in a fight for its own survival, and the future of our Country and our children and grandchildren. Sanford hurts the conservative movement by giving ammo to the demagogues in the Congress and the msm to mock historic conservative high ground on family values, and living a clean and moral life. That is something we do not need right now, as we try to reverse the catastrophic effects of liberal domination in the WH and the Congress, starting in 2010. I dont forgive him for that. Conservatives simply expect more…from other conservatives.
In Roman times, a disgraced officer fell on his sword! In our modern military, a disgraced officer would have the good sense to resign. In this case, I like the Roman model and will volunteer to supply the sword.
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J-Right, Banishment? I guess I read it wrong. I thought it was her way of saying enough already. A little sarcastic, I guess, but hardly condemnation.
Yes, yes, forgiveness. We know your stance. No justice for the victim (the dead store clerk) we MUST forgive the perp.
Dude, nobody has to post their standard – ever. Seems you are very judgmental here. That in itself is sinful – no?
Standford is being condemned by his actions and now his words. If I forgive him, will he respond to MY forgiveness? Will he care?
This is my final statement because as Bear says we need to move on:
Forgiving an unrepentant person is casting pearls before swine. THAT is my standard. We see here a man who has set his standard and will continue to do the same. Personally, if I screwed up that bad, I would NOT need you or Michelle to forgive me. I would need my family’s forgiveness and I would work my arse off to gain it (and pray it was an attainable goal). I would put aside the career that helped me sustain my infidelity. You would seek repentance. Standford’s statement was repugnant at best. He stole from his wife that which was not his to give and gave it to another woman – PERIOD. And if you do not think God will judge and not forgive, you do not know the difference between sheep and goats – chaff and wheat. So, if God will condemn and not forgive, seems like a standard to me.
“Forgiving him and continuing a relationship aren’t the same thing.”
So what if the people of SC don’t want him to continue to be their governor?
No one here is condemning Sanford, I hope. That would be for God alone. But Justified Right, by the same token, if Sanford hasn’t sinned against you, what makes you feel you (or anyone in this blog) should be the dispenser of forgiveness? I though only God could forgive (meaning absolve) sins?
If he sinned against MM readers in the comments, all he would have to do to receive our “forgiveness” (meaning the attitude of our heart) is to ask for it, even seventy-times-seven (Matt. 18:22). The reason for that is so that we can be forgiven (Matt. 6:12).
But that doesn’t mean MM should automatically reinstate his commenting privileges.