Video: EPA dissenter Alan Carlin speaks
Alan Carlin is a brave man. He notes at the end of this Fox and Friends interview this morning that things are “strained” at his agency, but he “still has a job.” For now.
What I’m hearing: According to insiders, Carlin is not the only one who has faced/may face possible retaliation by the eco-zealous bureaucrats who tried to suppress his report.
Who didn’t want the inconvenient truths in Carlin’s report to come out? Look to the Office of Air and Radiation.
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I caught him on Glenn Beck. Obviously the selective media hasn’t caught onto this massive corruption. Oh, that’s right. It’s Obama. He’s allowed to do anything.
Whatever fits his radical left wing’s agenda is OK by the MSM.
I want to know who his bosses are. It’s past time to start taking names, don’t you think?
Global warming is a libtard fairy tale like evolution, solar power and gay marriage.
Fixed it. At first glance, that is actually what I thought the link said. It took a double take to see that I was wrong.
WAY off topic but very important twist on the Honduras situation. Zeyala is a drug kingpin in league with Hugo Chavez? That is what Honduras’ foreign minister told CNN.
Why won’t the DEA confirm or deny the charge? Maybe for the same reasons that we refuse to secure our own borders or halt the massive money laundering that could not happen without the complicity of US banks, corporations and politicians? Nah, that could never be. What was I thinking! Never mind. File it with Emily Litella’s “flea erections” op-ed.
We can’t afford to let up on this one. Call your Senators and urge them to kill Earwax-Malarkey!
Senators’ don’t work for people.
Indeed. Ask some of the other folks that have opposed the putz-in-chief if their lives are better or worse for having spoken up.
Correcting all this eco-bias seems impossible! It’d mean tearing up half the programming at Discovery/Science/Planet Green channels — which are feeding our kids’ heads too!
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Not to mention the so called institutes of higher learning. Most of them have strong envioronmental bias.
“They tied me up and made me listen to singing commercials. I thought I’d go mad!… MAD!”
- Emil Sitka (WHO DONE IT?, 1949)
*We must not forget that it was McCain-Leiberman in 2008 that lit the fuse that has allowed the Wacky-Marxist Bill to possibly blow up the USA as we know it, all over this bovine scatology that man has any impact whatsoever on so called global warming; If you do call your Senators, please remind them that “It’s the sun, stupid”; I pray enough people will get off the merry-go-round long enough to see what these clowns are doing and take action; As for you liberal whack jobs, take a seat and enjoy the ride.
Meanwhile, it’s going to be 17 degrees BELOW normal next week. It was also over 20 degrees below normal about two weeks ago.
Global warming? Oh, I mean…climate change now. Yeah, the climate changes all the time.
Get over it.
If there isn’t an eminent disaster the EPA is basically a non issue. But why worry? We all died years ago from cranberry caused cancer, alar caused cancer, the great freeze, nuclear winter and poisoned partridges in a pair tree. Alan Carlin has committed blasphemy against the Church of Wacky Science and Political Correctness-they will find a way to make him pay.
There are environmental issues we do need to deal with–but with all the lies and hysteria from the EPA and eco freaks who can believe it? ManBearPig does not impress.
Heh…Wax-man…“What a world, what a world…I’m melting…melting…”
If the reality of what he deems as, “global warming” was factual, we could only hope…global climate change is real, however…it’s called spring, summer, autmmn, and winter.
Uh, oh. Maybe he was old and confused, too, ya think, and needed to be forced out? An inconvenient analysis of one of the biggest frauds to have ever been perpetrated on the world. We have criminals in charge of our country, folks (“But we won the election”), and they want more and more of it under their thumb until we’re all ground into the dust.
The lesson of history is we all need to be like Alan Carlin. Our integrity and our principles must never be compromised by threats from those who want to supress the truth.
Those people are bullies, who bluster and threaten. We have to stand our ground and never flinch. They can’t cope with courage. That’s our trump card. Reagan was the example and we need to follow it.
they can read?
It seems that everyone now, both public and private, serves at the pleasure of the President. But Obama is not just President, he’s Ceasar, Emperor of all he surveys. The Russian word for ceasar is czar. As Czar of czars, Obama answers to no one. He can replace anyone who doesn’t play ball, including CEOs of private companies. Has anyone even tried to stop him?
Think about this question when you read the quote below: Does he fear the people or do we fear him?
At this rate, sooner rather than later, we are going to be called face the prospects of putting a number of Jeffersonian quotes into action at great personal cost if we are to restore our rapidly dwindling freedoms.
Interestingly enough I have heard no one comment on the FACT that Waxman-Markey essentially nationalizes every private residence in the nation. You can no longer sell your home unless the government says so.
In Jefferson’s day the tyrant quartered troops in private homes. In the first six months of his term Obama has done away with private home ownership in the name of “climate change.” Astounding!
“….but he “still has a job.” For now.”
They will find some excuse to get rid of him, it is only a matter of time.
Would any of you(gentle readers be surprised at my telling you that at DU, and I am sure every other liberal site, the main thing being said about Mr. Carlin is that he is a “Bush Administration holdover with an axe to grind.? No? I ddn’t think so. Of course the one I found funniest was “He’s NOT a climatologist!” These are of course the same morons who praise Al Gore as an expert……despite his not being a “climatologist” either.
I read this report last week. Here’s the cliff notes:
* The prediction models used by MMGW advocates have a CO2 multiplier because water vapor, they believe, is proportional to CO2 concentration. The problem is the atmosphere has become drier in the last few decades while CO2 has increased.
* The sun has both a positive and negative effect on global temperature in that sunspot activity increases radiation, but cosmic rays increases cloud cover (cools the planet).
* Discusses all the other possible causes of climate change and why so of the land-based readings skew high due to urbanization.
Arizona Neanderthal, as a New Yorker, I should have died of AIDS 20 years ago according to Oprah. She had predicted 3 million deaths from HIV/AIDS by 1991, 1 million of which would be in New York City. We are surrounded by money-fueled junk science, and we need a czar, if you should pardon the expression, independent of government (similar to Accuracy in Media) to separate the dreck from the real thing and restore the good name of the most noble of intellectual pursuits.
Back when the Polar Bears were listed under the Endangered Species Act, I said that this was a very positive development, because it would force the EPA to, once and for all, come up with a scientifically rigorous analysis of Global Warming in order to find that CO2 was a hazard that required regulation.
I did not think, at the time, that the Agency would be so brazen as to completely shirk it’s duty and just rely on the IPCC report. The EPA has a mandate do conduct real research and let the chips fall where they may. It is very dismaying to see the politics driving this decision.
The last time this happened is when the Clinton Administration went well beyond the conclusions of an EPA study to declare that Second Hand Smoke was a Class A Carcinogen. This conclusion was completely without merit, based on the research the Agency had done. And yet, once this finding was made, it became the basis of every anti-smoking public ordinance since that time.
It certainly does look to get worse before it gets any better. Unfortunately, the government never met a power that it did not like so how do we get out of this mess? Our options are getting fewer and uglier all the time. If you ever wondered how it happened in Germany, Rome or the USSR just take a look around.
We have not gone low enough for many of the American People to wake up and realize what is going on. My only hope is they wake up before we go so low the only thing left will be armed resistance to an out of control government.
Wouldn’t the proletariat really be happier in big state controlled housing where all their needs can be taken care of, their children mentored and no one thinks bad thoughts or says bad things?
Perhaps you do not understand the First Rule of the Left: Private Lives as with Private Property are Not Conducive to the Collective.
Private residences, private savings and retirements, private health care and private lives will not be tolerated. You have no right to THEIR money, THEIR power, THEIR control. Yes special considerations will be made for Party leaders and members of the media and arts who serve the good of the State.
They are not yet in position to make one big power and property grab so they will attack at the margins with “reasonable rules and regulations”, they will make it more and more difficult to resist until as with a wounded animal we collapse from not one big wound but from a thousand cuts.
They will tell any lie, destroy any person, group or institution in they way. You sitting in Your home with Your family, Your property, Your Church, Your beliefs is such an obstacle. It will not be tolerated for long. They have used the schools to alienate our children from Private Lives for years–I do believe that should always be our first and biggest battle. And don’t let “reasonable rules and regulations” take away your means of home and self defense.
The poor man. He will be destroyed.
And you all make good points about people fearing the government. In my view the government has gone well into the “enemy” territory for me and my family. (The government, not the country.)
On June 30th, 2009 at 8:04 pm, JustAThought said:
He will be receiving the “Joe the Plumber” treatment shortly.
The only climate change (for the worse) that I see is the climate in Washington DC. And the only solution to that change needs to be a vigilant and educated electorate to vote the corruption out each election cycle.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) a pollutant? Bah, humbug!
In that same vein, anyone catch the pictures of the Obama ‘evil eye’ on Druge? Eyes are windows to the soul.
Lest we forget who raised their hands.
Video
Stop at 39-40 seconds
Oh, look, McCain did.
On July 1st, 2009 at 1:28 am, Jimmy Chowda said:
Thank you for your cliff notes.
Everyone, though, should take the time to read the Executive Summary of the report. It is just over three pages long and begins on page 6 of 98.
Here’s just one bullet item:
Take a look at SurfaceStations.org and scroll down to the bottom of the home page to see examples of rural vs. urban United States Historical Climatological Network (USHCN) sites. It’s not hard to see how many of the urban sites are very near things like air conditioning units that put out heat.
But, since air conditioners are man-made, I guess you could say that when an air conditioner is installed near a temperature reading site, and the recorded temperatures go up, that is an example of man-made warming.
But it’s man-made local warming, not man-made global warming.
On July 1st, 2009 at 9:04 am, Misscheryl said:
Indeed.
Wanna see a BS statement of the week? I wrote Mel an email asking him to vote no. Here is what he wrote back.
I HATE with a passion of passions that I ever voted for this clown.
oooohhh, that’s scary. Combine that with this
with this.
soap said:
On *MY* soapbox…
McCain is a trojan horse. He is one of them (the socialists), not one of us. His role was to win the Republican nomination, using any means necessary, and then throw the general election to Obama.
Winning the Republican nomination, using any means necessary:
Once McCain wrapped up the Republican nomination, he made a trip that was publicly described as a visit to the troops in Iraq. But McCain made stops in Europe where his agenda was kept secret. This was the trip that he had previously planned for early February, but had to postpone when Huckabee didn’t quit along with Romney.
I maintain that McCain is a trojan horse, and was the “designated loser” to Obama.
McCain wanted to pick a pro-Choice VP. The only reason McCain picked a true conservative like Palin for his VP is that Huckabee’s delegates threatened to walk out of the Republican convention if McCain picked a pro-Choice VP. McCain eventualy caved and picked Palin, but it’s clear that Palin far outshined McCain and Team McCain has been doing everything in their power to destroy Sarah Palin.
McCain is a Socialist. He is out to destroy, not build, the Republican Party.
/off my soapbox
The Democrats learned well how to boil a frog.
Good point WarEagle82. I heard Glen Beck mention that last night. According to this bull….. I mean Bill… someone from the government has to inspect your home and make sure you have the right light bulbs, insulation, air conditioner, furnace, windows, caulking and other stuff I can’t recall. If you don’t comply, you have to make the changes they gov’t says or you can’t sell your home.
Never mind that your home already passed a building inspection and has a CO. Oh that just won’t do….
So…. in the midst of a time when it’s already nearly impossible to sell your home, Obama is going to see to it that it is that much harder to do so. Hey… all it will take is more of your money to comply.
That is consistent with his action as a US Senator. He’s always been among the first to let go of the rope when playing tug of war with the Left.
Oh, and Mr. Carlin seems pretty coherent to me. Clearly, this is proof that Obama flatly lied about the reason for firing him.
Where are the memos which requested such comments? I’ll wager that they invited all departments or employees to comment.
but you can foreclose. This law actualy makes it easier to foreclose on your house and buy a new one with somebody else having to pick up the tab.
Where’s Atheling to again blame us for Obama because some of us refused to vote for McLame?
That’s an interesting point. Maybe that’s part of the ObamaCorn plan.
The Fox report got a few things wrong.
The guy (Carlin) is not a scientist. He’s an economist. He wrote this report on his own initiative neglecting his actual duties at the EPA. His boss rebuked him for not getting his work done and for writing an unscientific report.
The report itself relies to a large degree on data that has not been peer reviewed.
It is not true that scientists have not continued to study global warming since the UN study a few years ago. Climate change research is ongoing at an accelerating pace. Krugman’s column from a few days ago has a quick summary of some of the latest findings (Krugman is not a scientist and is not reporting his own research.).
No government agency can allow any staff member to issue an official report on any topic they choose. What would stop the staff plumber from writing a report on water pollution?
Lgm is right, a guy with a physics degree who works for the EPA has no idea about enviromental issues. Only economists with no history in the subject can be informative.
And a failed divinity student.
On July 1st, 2009 at 11:15 am, Rogue Cheddar said:
I actually voted for McCain for two reasons:
1) He at least gave lip service to appointing conservative Justices to the Supreme Court, and we could have worked to hold him to that.
2) He gave in to conservative pressure to pick a conservative VP. Sarah Palin is the first politician in a long time to correctly understand the importance of the VP’s role as President of the Senate. She could have made a difference there, and if anything ever happened to McCain, we’d get the first true conservative President since Ronald Reagan.
If McCain had picked a pro-Choice VP, we might have had a shot at supporting a viable third-party candidate, but with McCain picking Palin, he garnered enough support from conservatives that any vote for someone other than McCain really did become a vote for Obama.
On July 1st, 2009 at 11:53 am, lgm said:
Last I checked, physics was a scientific field.
So a degree in physics does make him a scientist.
But Al Gore, Mr. “Gore-Bull Warming”, doesn’t have a degree in any scientific field.
http://carlineconomics.googlepages.com/
Carlins homepage.
A BS in physics and a PHD in economics along with working in the enviromental field since 1971.
What was that you said LGM???
Fox is right on the money (didn’t get to see the live interview; only the linked clip)! Carlin was rebuked for purely partisan reasons; his report, from what I’ve learned, cited respected-published sources yet was rejected by a superior with no technical knowledge or acum to judge the findings or the sources as valid or suspect. Carlin is being politically gaged.
Who? I am unfamiliar with the reference.
Al Gore dropped out of the divinity school at Vanderbilt. He also dropped out of law school.
Oh…sorry to miss your ref, but I did not know the divinity school thing about Gore.
Hmmm, just like STalin. But seriously, my mind went straight to Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.
The government owns the banks, the government tells you when or IF you can sell your home (making it economically impossible for those most adversely affected by this) and they foreclose. The government owns the banks so they now own the homes by default. Imputed taxes allow the government to further take away from those that are able to keep their homes while increasing utility rates drive them further into the hole and they can no longer afford to keep their homes without the federal subsidies they are paying for everybody else who is not willing to work or able to find a job more likely as unemployment rates continue to rise into the double digits, interest rates make a reprise of the early seventies …
Voila, your socialist paradise has arrived!
The only positive thing I can say is that he’s gone in 2010. The one thing we Floridians have to make sure doesn’t happen is that our idiot Governor doesn’t take his place!
Please remove the second “doesn’t” from my last comment so that the sentence will make at least some sense!
sonofdy said (#53):
An undergraduate physics major 40 years ago. Working in economics and operations research since then. No training or research history in climate science. Worked at the EPA since 1971, but not as a scientist.
LOL Oh so thats how you will ignore his paper while pushing the opinions of people with LESS qualifications.
Sad LGM, very sad.
Shall we compare his qualifications in this area to Gores? or Kurgmans? Perhaps we can compare them to the thousands of scientist who agree with Carlin.
Or perhaps LGM you can argue with this list of 31,000 US scientist who think global warming is a hoax.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
http://www.ipcc.ch/about/index.htm
Now lets compare that to the hundreds of scientists world wide who believe the global warming hoax.
sonofdy said (#64):
You can write but you can’t read.
I explained a few threads ago that this list does not have professional affiliations. Without that information, we have no idea who these people are. The list is useless.
I also answered your #62: Krugman and Gore aren’t claiming to be scientists. They’re claiming to believe them. You don’t need an MD to take your doctor’s advice.
http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php
Here are the qualifications.
At some point LGM, you are going to have to accept that if numbers of supporters is the standar your want to use for accepting thier view then you lose.
Thanks sonofdy. I wonder where the brains are on some of these libs. No logic to them at all either.
I am glad the people who sign a petition are being protected so yocals like lgm cannot locate their work and home. Gee.
At least they know crap when they see it.
LGM, I have a serious question about your position. You have stated (effectively) that someone who is degreed but not specifically a climate scientist is ill-equipped to make comments on the subject that people should listen to. (You did this specifically on a recent thread on the matter.)
My question is why do you feel a qualified scientist from another field isn’t qualified to look at the evidence and arrive at a dissenting conclusion?
Part II: If a phycisist isn’t qualified to make informed opinions on the matter, who is, in your opinion?
I’d alos like to comment on “peer review.” What if all of the peers doing the reviewing are either biased or themselves truly unqualified? What if they have an agenda that must be kept, regardless of the truth? What if, as normal people, they are protecting their own interests? Such as the grants they receive to study GW? Could that not be even a remote possibility?
I think a case could be made that the behavior of our House of Representatives and the agencies that participated in the compilation of this Cap and Trade bill, individually and collectively have participated in TREASON.
Theft of the peoples treasure under known false pretenses and subjugation to outside forces such as the UN provide a base for such charges.
If Not Treason then a RICO case could definitely be made.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
sonofdy said (#67):
This is next to useless. What would make it useful would be professional affiliations of individual signers. As I said before (and you would have remembered if your memory lasted more than two days), this would take the form: John Doe, Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley, Jane Doe, Director of Engineering, Acme Corportation, etc.
SHoward said (#70):
There is a huge “literature” created by climate scientists studying global warming. These are smart, creative, dedicated, and resourceful people. It’s unlikely that someone not involved in that study would know whether a specific question or doubt had been addressed by climate scientists. It would be hard to determine except by going to those scientists.
The training of a scientist involves first an undergraduate major, then (an average of) 5 years advanced PhD training and a thesis, then a few years of postdoctoral training. An undergraduate physics major turned economist would lack about 7 years of this training. You can get an idea of the problem facing a scientifically literate amateur by looking, say, at the Monthly Weather Review. Every month is publishes new scientific studies related to climate change (and other subjects). Each article represents at least half a man/year to produce. Keeping up with this is a full time job.
Just for fun, ask a working scientist this question. You’re sure to unleash emotional stories him/her being gravely wronged by vindictive/ignorant/lazy peer reviewers. If your article is rejected by a journal, you can argue with the referees and ask the journal to find others to decide, or you can submit to another journal, which will use other referees. My feeling is that 95% of anything work publishing eventually is approved. If something as important as global warming were contradicted by data, it would be published.
LGM, There are over 2000 climate scientists in there. MY GOD you are dense.
It has been. BUT you have your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen.
2000 plus climate scientists get it but some how you miss it because you are completely brainwashed and unable to see beyond your idealogical strictures. You might as well be a monk in the middle ages burning a heretic who dared to suggest the world is round.
Thanks for taking the time to respond
I am clear about scientific training, etc., but I really wasn’t refering to this guy at the EPA. I had pasted a section of an article into another thread that included an actual working physicists name, and you seemed non-plussed at his mention. There were others, including a Japanese scientist that actually contributed to a UN climate report. (See here)
According to the article linked, (which I haven’t had time to search and verify for myself) there have been peer reviewed articles debunking at least the alleged effects of GW.
There’s one little thing, too.
Are we absolutely certain of this? Are we so sure of the stellar integrity of all people scientific that there is no realistic possibility that good science exists contradicitng GW? I’m just asking.
My high school son has been attending a science field trip at a university. ALL speakers on global warming and how we’re doomed etc… Until yesterday. A prof formally from the oil industry spoke about all the new gas advances, cleaning techniques, our oil we can’t touch, how rich we would be if we had been using that instead of mid east oil etc… The head honcho borrowed a piece of paper, wrote him a note and the speaker said “I guess I need to stop now” and they got out 1/2 hr early for lunch. lol! Wonder if the poor guy still has a job?
Ayn Rand Warned us in Atlas Shrugged Fiction. But she also wrote Non Fiction.
The New Left The Anti Industrialist. Retitled “The Return of the Primitive” The Anti Industrialist. “IT CAME FROM THE 60S”
Ayn Rand Warned us in Atlas Shrugged Fiction. But she also wrote Non Fiction.
The New Left The Anti Industrialist. Retitled “The Return of the Primitive” The Anti Industrialist. “IT CAME FROM THE 60S”
On July 2nd, 2009 at 11:38 am, old goat said:
And that scenario has happened over, and over, and over, and over again.
The proven oil reserves of this country are have over three times the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia. The only reason that we are not 100% energy independent, and even an oil EXPORTER, is because the Democratic Socialist Communists are in control and won’t allow it.
DRILL HERE!
DRILL NOW!