North Korea pops off another missile…and more
Because they can:
South Korea says North Korea has fired a fourth missile off its eastern coast.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff says three missiles were fired early Saturday and the fourth at about noon.
The launches come two days after North Korea fired four short-range missiles.
Yonhap says they’re Scuds.
Did President Obama’s phone ring yet?
Please pick up the red courtesy phone (Photoshop credit: Redhotphones.com)
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How’s the hopenchange working for everyone? Has our muslim community-organizer-in-chief made one public statement against these provocations?
Doesn’t bother Obama. So everything must be OK.
Well, to be perfectly honest, a SCUD isn’t going to hit anything except water. At their best, they might be able to hit the western coast of Japan from North Korea, but they couldn’t possibly be a threat to us. Essentially, these rockets are souped-up World War 2 V-2 technology.
What they do doesn’t matter …it’s what they intend that does>
They can still hit South Korea …
And maybe western Alaska. I am not liking that. Can someone with a pair jack up that little tin-pot dictator piece of crap PLEASE?
I’m sure Obama is very concerned. I’m also sure he’s completely clueless.
Intent is irrelevant here. I mean, if Kim Jung Il intended to shoot Rush Limbaugh with an AR-15 from the confines of his palace in Pyongyang, then I would only shake my head and laugh at his intentions.
Now, if this thing would hit the Japanese main island (the only landmass that it could possibly hit from North Korea), and death and injury resulted from that, then of course that is an issue which ought to be handled directly by the president (not that Obama would actually do that, but a truly responsible world leader would), but when it is something that no-doubt splashed harmlessly into the Sea of Japan, then I don’t see this as something to get terribly excited about.
What we’re talking about here is an aim-and-fire weapon that has NO guidance mechanism whatsoever, and a maximum range of less than 500 miles. Whatever the “intent” is here, it has nothing to do with threatening American national security.
Paging Mitch Rapp… Mr. Mitch Rapp.. Mitch Rapp, please proceed to the next covert flight to NK.
[EDIT]…UNLESS the firing of this rocket were to simply be a ruse for something else, which again ought to make us more concerned about what follows this, rather than the firing of this SCUD itself.
There ought to have been a heightened level of alert before now, so this shot in the dark by this pot-bellied, tin-horned despot seems to me to be either a warning shot of more to come, or a pathetic cry for world attention.
Another thing to note about a SCUD is that in order to reach longer ranges, one would have to remove much of the payload in order to allow more fuel for the rocket. A SCUD that would cause heavy damage would have a range of between 100-200 miles. For it to reach its 450 miles maximum, the payload would have to be reduced considerably, making its damage potential almost negligible.
Oh, well, now that’s different. It makes me feel much better to think that if you tip it with a nuke the specific massive carnage won’t be intentional.
I hope you took note of what I wrote regarding the SCUD’s range, and how it could reach its potential in that regard. There is NO way that it could be so equipped and hit anything aimed in our direction (other than water).
Now, if they were to aim it at South Korea, then that’s another matter entirely.
Of course N.K. could always just ship a nuke off to someplace else with no worries of the ship being harassed (Thank you, U.N.), then who knows what could happen? Of course that will probably never happen.. Right?
I’m not real comfortable with any innocent folks getting popped by a nuke by a whim of some egomaniacal, crazed dictator.
Also, the experts are weighing in and they are at odds with your personal view:
Experts Find Soviet Parts in North Korean Missile
“With concerns rising about a possible North Korean long-range missile test this weekend, two independent scientists say the regime may be using an old Soviet ballistic missile to boost a rocket capable of reaching the West Coast of the United States.”
As “Barney Fife” was fond of saying ” Nip it in the bud!” It’s a can that can’t be kept on a permanent kick-it-down-the-road status.
Are they still getting food aid from anyone……like us?
No, but he did text Kimmy: “No hot dogs for you!”
Obama has bigger fish to fry right now. Democracy in Honduras must be crushed after all.
Sanddog said
No, Obama is not clueless at all. He wants you to think he’s clueless. He actually knows exactly what he’s dong. He hates America. He has no intention of doing what’s best for America. He is our enemy, and he intends to destroy us… so far he’s doing a very good, competent job at it.
Perhaps the NORKS are just firing off fireworks for our Fourth of July. (trying to get a job with State or the NYT)
Now let us all go out and buy some Chinese made goods so they can continue to protect Little Kimmy.
Tis the Fourth-have a cup of tea.
yohannbiimu,
SCUDs can be fired from a mobile platform (remember Saddam’s?) and could conceivably be fired from a container ship. If they can get within 300 km of any country’s coast, they have the ability to hit that country.
The Thug in Chief (no, Obama) may think he can sway them to stop testing missiles with a well crafted speech or two.
Nice job North Korea. Keep wasting missiles and keep allowing us to gather more intell on your operations.
Works for me. Fire away guys. I’ll even donate the fuel to transport them to the launch site.
Obama is going to wait until we are hit. Then he’ll decide what to do. That’s pretty evident.
What should concern out Empty Suit and Chef is, it is not the idea they are shooting off SCUDS it is the fact they are willing to do it.
Did President Obama’s phone ring yet?
I am sure it has. The questions then become, has it been answered and what was said?
I’m guessing that if they fire their Taepongdo-2 {sp?} and it lands in Hawaii Obama will send them a letter giving them hints on how to improve their aim.
Iran, Lebanon, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan (the first time), Cuba, even Russian (remember the Bolshevik Revolution and our response?): these are reasons for never half-assing another war.
So here’s a question for our left leaning comrades:
Which is more dangerous? Going after WMDs that a dictator wants us to believe he has and finding out that they aren’t there. Or ignoring a dictator that probably does have WMDs and wait for him to do ____________.
If Kim Jong Mentally Ill launches any more of those things out over international water I think that we shoud let the Navy take some target practic. See if that makes short stuff back off. Personally, I prefer the “better safe than sorry” path.
That crazy little midget had better hope the Japanese hold their temper. If these incidents don’t provoke them into arming up with nukes I don’t know what it will take. He does not want the Land of the Rising Sun locked on his missile sights, nor does China.
Wonder if the hotdogs at the W.H. today are halal? Just askin’…?
How do you know they called obama Z???
Were you there?
Why are you making claims you can’t prove?
I don’t know about this year, but at the rate O-boy is going there won’t be any independance to celebrate next year. By that time we’ll all be getting the weenie on a daily basis.
And can carry massive amounts of chemical, biological or even a nuclear weapon.
yohannbiimu #11
Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t know that a chemical weapon had to weigh 500 or more pounds for the damage to be more than negligible. Further, you are assuming that it can’t airburst over a Japanese city. You are also assuming that a SCUD is the best they have.
All nice assumptions, but I get the distinct impressions that prior to 9/11 you would have been one of the ones that said that a jetliner could never be used as a guided missile.
I personally would rather overestimate an enemy capability slightly rather than be caught by surprise with thousands or tens of thousands dead.
The North Koreans are firing 1970′s era theatre range missiles out into open ocean near nobody. These are the same missiles the earliest versions of the Patriot intercepted during the Gulf War.
You want the President and the U.S. to flip out over these?
If they fire things in the direction of or over someplace like Japan, Okinawa, Guam, Hawaii, etc. then we have something to get worked up about.
The are not “testing” something that’s as old as a Scud. That would be like saying we are still testing a Tow-1 missile. These are “look at me, look at me” launches to stir us up.
As I posted earlier; fire away. We learn more about them every launch they make. It also gives us more diplomatic ammo to use in influencing other countries into supporting us. These things are expensive so every missile shot into the sea is one less missile they can shoot at our forces in South Korea and Japan.
Sometimes it is best to just let stupid people be stupid.
*Channeling a leftard the best I can* “But those aren’t WMDs. Iraq never ever had WMDs. All this is Bush’s fault” *Wets pants*
Well, according to ABCNews.com, Obama and his “glamorous” wife are headed to Moscow!
Great! I hear they like big butts in Moscow. This way they get two.
Did those 3,000 Kurdish men, women and children and acomparable number of Iranian soldiers die from an influenza outbreak?
Maybe someone should have called the WHO and reported the outbreak.
Also, you might want to stop by the family of the Marine who died from a chemical mine during the Gulf War and tell them it was a figment of their imagination.
Why is it that the rest of the world, particularly our enemies, can see what sort of wimp got elected here?
The Democrat party song should be “send in the clowns.”
I think Al Franken may have that copyrighted.
Don’t forget all those fine people who “elected” the King of Clowns”.
LOL.
Seriously?
I have faith in the people (NSA, CIA, our Military in South Korea, etc.) that provide information up the chain. It is their job to report to the President and Congress (specific committees).
When something of this magnitude happens. The correct people are informed. That is what happens, and has happened since we have had the above mentioned organizations.
No proof necessary, just common sense and an unwavering trust of the individuals on the frontline.
‘Son of dytch’ do you have common sense?
‘Son of dytch’ do you trust in our people on the frontlines to do their jobs?
Obama.Worst.President.EVER.
Obama still celebrating Juneteenth he could care less about 4th of July.
I trust in mine…but not yours.
I’m sorry, I just have this little problem trusting anyone who says, “trust me”. And that applies to anyone. Not just just the current administration. And for you to suggest that I must trust them tells me that I probably shouldn’t.
That’s where the problem is.
Huh?
It is called reading comprehension.
Nowhere in my post #43 did I say ‘trust me’. I said, “. . . I trust . . .” Then I asked, yep asked the question, ” . . . do you trust . . .?”
Asking a question is not a suggestion.
As for your statement about “trusting anyone who says, “trust me””. I agree, and almost immediately check to see if my wallet is still where it should be.
bho: “I am very deeply concerned“
Obambi’s main military man, bomber Wee Willy Ayers is on top of this missile threat. No worry!
You know how it is when a little kid has a tantrum? When you don’t pay attention to them, they just keep building up more anger wanting to get a rise out of you? You end up either performing ‘shock and awe’ to get them to stop or you continue to not pay attention to them while they tear up the house and make themselves sick in the meantime.
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SANCTIONS!!! SANCTIONS!!!!!1one!11!1/1!
It is with gratitude to my patient web-developer, and no small sense of hope and gravity, that I announce on this most fitting of days…
http://starvethebeast.net/index.html
is launched. It has polishing to be done, and I expect will be expanded soon.
But here it is.
I would value your input.
What a large majority of you , commenters, are forgeting, is, the norks, have more sophisticated, short range ICBM’s and the tech to guide them ( thank you bubba clinton )AND , NUKE WARHEADS !
Tips on NOT buying Chinese on a budget? Anyone posted something like that yet?
One tip from me: Buy United States produce if that’s where you live. Patriotism has a longer shelf life, at least in blueberries.
Incidentally, I don’t think it would be a good idea for North Korea to launch a chemical or bioweapon. It would make the other half of the United States hate them, and even the UN might actually wake up. However, what makes sense and what that dictator does have very little correlation. How much stupid is mixed in with Kim Jong II’s crazy?
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YOHANNBIIMU #3 is a little off in his comments. I think the SCUD’s are solid fuel rockets–not like the liquid fuel German V2′s. They are not very accurate–but simple–and with a big nuke on board high accuracy is not needed. The U.S. Army used an Honest John rocket–with nuke–it was “close enough for government work”. See photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for more details.
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Similar U.S.S.R. rockets were waiting for the possible U.S. invasion of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. They would have been quite effective against any “in range” aircraft carriers and invasion fleet mother ships.
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As far as the North Korean “wack job” leader–the NoDong ICBM’s are being tested and debugged now. The Nukes are working better, and will be capable of bolting on short, intermediate, or long range rockets soon.
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The U.S.A. missed the 1950 Nork invasion of South Korea bigtime–they didn’t think the current prince’s dad (the first king) would start a war.
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The Norks may be testing President Obama (PBUH) now. All they see is weakness and a failure to respond to provocations in any effective way. No real embargo against his supporters, no ship inspections, etc. Only “smart power” and “brilliant diplomacy” BULLS**T from our Messiah.
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Kim II may be getting ready to go for South Korea–the real prize. It’s tough to figure out what an evil crazy person is going to do next.
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John Bibb
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Strange Z, in another thread you attacked me for saying that in my opinion someone had seen a video, now you claim that they called obama with nothing to back it up.
A little hypocritical there eh???
Never mind Z, I always knew you were basicaly dishonest in your posts. You just try to hide it with semantics.
We are probably going to tell them that we need them to stop, for the 184,567th time. I am sure this time they will take us seriously.
Thank God, that the open-minded approach of;
1) put up with the nonsense,
2) put up with the nonsense some more, and
3) issue strong warnings…and put up with the nonsense,
is working so well!
This commonsense approach in dealing with the “rogue leader” has shown that it works really well. Now, if we could just deal with North Korea…
…then devise a smart national strategy that would defeat the Statists in Washington that are corrupting American governance…
Great job Obama the great!
I really believe that Z has some bad wiring.
It seems his raisin diter (the Texas variation) is to come to this site to pick fights.
For that reason, I have termed him the Z-troll, which I know he resents, but is appropriate to his “contribution” here.
A shame, since I’ve seen him do better…
Is it possible they’re trying to get our guard down? Make grandiose threats followed by a pitiful display like this knowing most people’s reaction would be to yawn or laugh that there’s nothing to worry about. Then bring out the big guns when we least expect it.
First of all, I KNOW that a SCUD won’t airburst over a city, because that isn’t what it is designed to do. It is designed to crash into the ground (or the ocean, which is no-doubt what it did, since we have not heard any more about it).
And no, I am NOT assuming that a SCUD is the best that they have, because I know that they do have better missiles in their arsenal (their Advanced TAEPODONG-2 can easliy reach Hawaii with the potential of even the Western seaboard of the US. They have a number of missiles with a range FAR better than the SCUD. I was merely responding to the report of what they used in this instance, and nothing more.)
Your second assumption I would rate as the sort that I would file under “what assumptions make us when we use them.” It was a knee-jerk reaction based upon no knowledge of what I was saying or about me in any way. You need to be more inquisitive about who you are speaking to before you spout rubbish like this.
I said that they were “souped-up World War 2 V-2 technology,” and nothing you have said here disputes that. Apart from the fuel that they use, there is very little difference between a SCUD and a German V-2 (hence, the SCUD is a “souped-up” version of the 73 year-old technology that the Nazis used). Furthermore, if you put a nuclear warhead on it, the range of it would not reach any population centers (outside of the Korean Peninsula, or if they decided for some reason to aim it at the Chinese) to kill anyone. For it to reach its intended target (their supposed “enemies”), they would have to reduce the weight of its payload considerably).
I have no doubts that a “reuniting” of Korea is a goal of the Communist regime there; however, I don’t know what you expect us to do about this guy firing off what really amounts to bottle rockets into the Sea of Japan (which, in essence, is what happened). Are we supposed to attack him for doing so?
All that can be done is to monitor their activities with regard to their launching these rockets, and if they are detected using one of their longer range weapons, then we ought to respond by destroying their launch sites and perhaps more action. However, THIS instance does not warrant such action.
Obviously it was something very stern and concerning to the little Chia-dictator since he is still popping off.
Obama likely thought it was some Korean restaurant calling the wrong number, and hung up on them.
I’m sure that our multi-lingually concerned president even would know what Korean sounded like, as opposed to Japanese, Mandarin, Cantonese, or Burmese.
…or, for that matter, Italian, French, German, or Russian…
Never forget Austrian…
Telemetry check, testing, testing.
Knock, knock, hellooo, anybody listening?
Putting himself above all this messy Korea stuff, Il Douche flew off to Moscow to give Putin a tongue-bath.
I’m sure Pooty-Poot will be so mesmerized by The One’s shining aura that he will surrender immediately Russia’s national interests, call for a 4th of July parade in front of the Kremlin, and ask that they be admitted to the Union (ours, not the old USSR).
Look for our fawning press to bill the visit as an Obama triumph, even if the Russkis do nothing but sit with stone faces and flick boogers at him.
Very descriptive and LOL @ good ole basic potty humor…wins every time!
OMG, how could I forget AUSTRIAN??? Our president’s linguistic knowledge is unparalleled in all of human history, and that’s no exaggeration…
Oh, and keep in mind he speaks snatches of Muslimic, or something…
yohannbiimu #63
First of all, you post this, and then this:
I just want to be sure that I undedrstand you – A SCUD can never be improved or modifid or “souped-up” do do an airburst?
Whew!!
I’m sure glad that the technology of the SCUD I has been locked in place and can NEVER be improved. I wouldn’t want to think what might happen if they might happen to add an altimeter to it, you know, like for an airburst.
Then don’t play down their launching something – unless you believe they are getting rid of those missiles they launched by actually launching them rather than just cutting them up with saws and blowtorches.
I read what you said and responded to that. There was no “knee-jerk” reaction. I had “knowledge” of what you were saying because I read exactly what you were saying.
Maybe there was something hidden between the lines of your post, some coded stuff that everyone else is supposed to figure out. Next time why don’t you try putting the secret hidden messages actually out there in your post so that everyone else can read it too.
And don’t complain about me “spouting rubbish” when you apparently have hidden, secret things in your own posts that nobody but you can see.
LOL
Seriously?
NO. There was no attack. In the other thread I asked you to reconcile your two opinions/thoughts.
Your first thought was that it should not be assumed that someone has seen a video. Your second thought was that it was OK to assume that someone had seen a video, because it was a ‘You Tube World.’
I asked you to reconcile your two opinions/thoughts then and I am reluctant to ask you now, because I am certain you won’t answer. You have a propensity to not answer questions, take tangents, and address issues that were never raised.
‘Son of dyke’, you lack the stones to answer simple questions, or admit when you are mistaken.
Who is the ‘they’ that you refer to? NSA? CIA? Our Military? It is their job to report what they observe. And, report it up the chain to the CINC. What is it that you do not understand about doing the job that you were hired to do? These people were hired to provide intelligence and information to the POTUS (and, specific Congressional commitees), whoever that might be. Are you suggesting that these good people are not doing their job?
I asked you very specific questions, and you chose not to answer them, so be it. You must have a fear that I am unaware of.
Nope. I am not hypocritical. But, you are panty waste who is afraid to answer direct questions. I answered your question from your post #31. Yet, you have not answered any of my questions. From this thread, or any other thread. Just exactly what are you trying to avoid?
Disagree with me. Deconconstruct my arguements. But, don’t call me names because that is too easy. Grow a pair, and give me facts, logic and reason. Address what I said, not what you think I said.
‘Son of a dysfunctional’, when you are prepared to answer questions, speak to facts, and truly know the meaning of ‘semantics’ I will take you seriously.
Otherwise, please do not embarass yourself.
Ragspierre: Yes, I think your website is interesting and look forward to future developments. You may want to link it to your user name here as well. That way, if someone mouses over your name the link is activated.
As of this writing, SCUDs have not been modified to do such a thing. They are designed to launch and crash. No SCUD or variation of it has ever been designed to do what you are suggesting. Why you are making an “issue” out of something that is mere speculation on YOUR part is beyond my comprehension.
Again, as of this writing it has probably been 24 hours since the Norks launched those SCUDs, and they haven’t hit anything of significance. Since they travel at speeds exceeding 3000 MPH, I’d think that if they had intended them to hit anything, they would have by now. Hence, they are currently scrap lying at the bottom of the ocean. THEREFORE, for whatever reason they launched them, it cannot be said that these rockets (which are now rubbish) are a threat to anyone. Your worrying about them is irrational.
You said the following, and I quote:
This speculation cannot be gleaned by anything I said, and is therefore fomented solely within your mind–HENCE (once more) it is a knee-jerk reaction to what I said (or rather your poor comprehension of what I said).
I really don’t know why you are behaving the way you are to me in the first place. All I am saying is that this instance of presumed North Korean “aggression” cannot be taken as such, because the only possible lives lost by this were fish or plankton. Am I suggesting that the North Koreans are not a threat to us, and that we shouldn’t be concerned about what they are doing with their missiles? NOT AT ALL. You cannot possibly take ANYTHING that I have said and arrive at that conclusion. Also, I cannot help it if you presume the worst about my intentions here. These baseless assumptions are YOUR problem, not mine.
Regarding NK missiles, if ordered to, I have full confidence in ANY of our Armed Services being capable of taking out his ability to launch anything. China is the one country that we have to be careful with as nukes exploding over NK territory would undoubtedly get them pissed at us. And the Chinese could strike at us either, financially or through other means. Since 1953, it has been more about China than whatever ‘type-o-dong’ is running NK.
I was prepared to respond in my usual manner to you, but I thought better of it. And, respectfully ask that you respond to my posts in this thread.
Specifically respond to what I said in post #26. And, my reponse to the questions/comments posed by the poster in post #31. And, finally my response in my post #43.
My hope is that you will not call me names, but either agree or disagree, and answer the questions that sonofdy did not.
There are few rules between posters in ‘blogland’ and it is kind of like the wild west. What I am asking you to do is, cut and paste what I have said, then deconstruct it pointing out where you agree, or disagree, on three specific posts. The alternative is that you can call me names.
I accept that I might be intruding on your time, but my hope is that we can have an honest discourse. Even if it means that you find me in error, or sonofdy less than forthcoming about what I said, in not answering the questions that I asked.
One last point, my initial post is in response to the question ‘rhetoricaly’, asked, by MM, and not what any other poster has said.
Yep, I am asking you to be the arbiter of the exchange between sonofdy and me.
I’m not even sure that, it would have rung. Since, he is aware they were going to shoot the rockets…Confirmation that they were not a threat would probably NOT go to the President at 3 am. Morning briefing would probably be sufficient, IMO
Ummmm, OK. I suppose speculation works on ocassion, but that is why I asked the questions I did.
No doubt those in the field informed the POTUS, because that is their job. But, what was said?
Don’t you hate wrong numbers? LOL.
Not speculation, just asking a question.
Ummm, OK. Though your comment sounds more like an appropriate response to MM’s rhetorical question.
yohannbiimu #77
Ok, so NO SCUD or variation has EVER been modified beyond what YOU say they have because…I suppose you are DIA and have access to the Top Secret intelligence data? If the answer is “no” then don’t talk about any speculation on my part when your posts are so full of speculation on YOUR part.
And YOU have detailed knowledge of where they were aimed and the purposes for which they were launched? Just an FYI – they don’t need to hit anything YOU might consider significant to get data on any number of useful factors.
Again, YOU are speculating that they were trying to hit something. Did you know that you can test missile components without trying to hit a target in Japan or South Korea?
Whew. Who knew????
And nobody has ever fired rockets before for test puposes. Thanks for that bit of Top Secret intelligence info. I’m glad that the very first A-4 rocket launched by Germany never had to be tested and hit London the very first time.
As far as what I’m worrying about – how do you know what I’m “worrying” about? Are you a telepath on top of your DIA credentials?
I responded to exactly what you posted and you question “my” reading comprehension? Nice projection there, yohannbiimu. Let’s see what we know about you: You work for the DIA in a Top Secret intelligence post, you’re a telepath – and I’m the one with the reading comprehension problems. ROTFLOL.
I’m not the one who thinks that we should ignore things because they don’t fit into YOUR template. I’m not the one who is sitting there saying that because they weren’t aiming for and hitting a specific target of YOUR determination that these launches were merely their way of scrapping obsolete missiles. I’m not the one making baseless assumptions. I’ll leave that to you.
Works for me either way.
Happy 4th of July !
And, a Happy Fourth to you, too.
JHSII #83
I am talking about what is known and about what is, not speculation. We’re talking about rather crude technology here. We’re talking about a short-range weapon that has one purpose, and that is to crash once fired. As far as I know (and anyone for that matter), a SCUD is incapable of being made to have the technological capability detonate over a prescribed target, simply because it is a cheap weapon, designed specifically to be made in large quantities. The Norks have OTHER missiles that have the capabilities that you wish to assume upon these SCUDs. The news reports are that these firings were “a show of force” and that they splashed into the sea (as I said they did). If they were “tests” to determine whether they could be made to detonate over some prescribed target, they obviously failed to do so.
What they were supposedly able to do with these firings (all which are matters which YOU are presupposing) is irrelevant. The supposed issue here is what the president is supposed to do about it. My contention is that there is not much ANY president could really do about a deranged dictator firing a few rockets (that do not have the range to hit anyone or anything) into the ocean.
Much can be reasonably speculated about what Sung’s intentions are, but what CAN’T be presumed is that he intended to harm anyone, and beyond that, what does a “world leader” do when this guy decides to crash some of his obsolete rockets into the sea? You can state that he did so despite UN “mandates” (and how many HERE are going to put much worth in what the UN does or thinks), and that we see their actions as a threat to peace and stability to the world (which, no doubt, Obama will say). But you know something, I’d expect no less from ANY president in accordance to THIS INSTANCE of Korean actions. This simply isn’t the time and place to get the ICBM silos opened, and the F/A 18′s warmed up and ready to make Pyongyang into a parking lot.
As to the rest of it, I am not going to respond to what you think I am implying, because so much of what you responded with your last post is utter irrationality. I have not said that we should “ignore” what is going on. That and so much of your attitude towards me I can only count as not jumping with both feet on the bandwagon with regard to this thread.
Why I am getting such grief from you is beyond me. I have not said that we ought to stop talking about it, or that it isn’t important. Nowhere can you suggest such a thing. My intent has been solely to suggest calm, because nothing of known significance had actually happened. You may speculate about what you think happened, but you cannot know any of it, and no rational person is going to act upon something that they do not know about.
Look, I know that BO is an incompetent boob, and that he isn’t qualified to be put in charge of sanitation in Walla Walla, Washington, let alone president of the United States. He’s a corrupt, possibly insane person who hopes to become the first fully autocratic lord and master over the North American continent. That said, I don’t think what he will do would or should be much different from what either Bush (Herbert Walker or Dubya) or Ronald Reagan would have done in the exact same circumstances.
If you differ with me on that point, then I’d be happy to hear why…
yohannbiimu #86
You’re almost amusing. You see, you’re the one who has been saying that NK has targeted their missiles at something of significance and they all missed. I’m simply pointing out that there are other reasons for launching those missiles. You also keep saying that NK has never attempted to upgrade the technology of the missiles.
If you believe all that, then fine. Believe what you want. But don’t come to me after something happens and say you were caught by surprise.
As for what Barry Soetero would do that Ronald Reagan would have done differently – I don’t think Reagan would be bending over backwards to kiss NK’s rear end. Reagan probably would have boarded the NK boat and already been shooting down NK’s missiles. But that’s just me speculating.
LOL now THATS funny.
I thought the fireworks were OUTSIDE tonight…LOL
Truman should have gave what MacArthur wanted. Hell, China entered the Korean War (not Police Action) anyway. Would of saved us some headaches since the 50′s.
Since we are back at war with NK, per Dear Leaders statements… A few test firings of some of our missiles may be warranted, as well…SE Asian Missile Proving Grounds indeed !
Please state the quote where I said that the Norks were targeting anything, but missed. Please, I’d love to see where I said anything of the sort. I have said from the beginning the exact opposite.
Either you find the quote that says what you say I said, or just go and hide your face in shame, because you’re embarrassing yourself. Really, this “argument” you are having is pathetic.
Wow. How you can supposedly read and comprehend what I said and reach THIS conclusion is just terribly sad. I mean, you must think terribly highly of yourself that you’d think that because I can believe that nothing of significance happened HERE means that I’m living with my head in the sand. Where your thoughts come is an utter mystery to me.
No, that’s you having some weird fantasy. I mean, I can just imagine you imagining Reagan boarding a NK ship and personally shooting down those missiles with a twin-barreled shot gun, or something. I mean, what you are saying is not within the bounds of any reality or rational thought.
And, I KNOW what you meant, but it’s still nonsense. No president ever has or will do what you said Reagan would do in response to shooting some rockets into the sea. If he threatens to harm other people with his weapons, and displays the will to do so, then you’d probably take preventive measures to stop that from happening. What they did yesterday wasn’t that.
Projection from yohannbiimu. No surprise at this point.
Do you even bother to read what you post before posting it?
Nope. It is sad. Truly sad that you have not answered any questions, and as of yet, Ragspierre has not come to address the questions I have raised.
It is no secret that Ragspierre and I have had our disputes, but I am willing to ask that Ragspierre honestly review what has transpired beteewn you and I.
Son of Bdytch, just accept that you lied. You did not look up the court decisions months ago.
Again, as of this writing it has probably been 24 hours since the Norks launched those SCUDs, and they haven’t hit anything of significance. Since they travel at speeds exceeding 3000 MPH, I’d think that if they had intended them to hit anything, they would have by now. Hence, they are currently scrap lying at the bottom of the ocean.
OH MY GOD! You are either functionally illiterate, insane, an imbecile, or all three (personally, I’m leaning heavily towards the fourth choice). If you actually believe that my saying this means that I said that the NKs had intended to target their missiles at something of significance, you’re hopeless, especially when you take what I am saying here and put it in context with everything I have been saying all along.
I am not going to waste any more time on you, because you are most assuredly a waste of my time. I thought that insanity was rampant amongst the libs, but unfortunately there seem to be some crazies on OUR side too.
yohannbiimu continues to project. It’s what happens when you can no longer have an intelligent conversation.
Surprise level 0.00
JHSII; …yohannbiimu, the FACT remains,there are constant improvements, in new and old technology. The norks HAVE better missiles,the ability to guide them and NUKES. Their apparent lack of a target, might be a ruse , or a misdirection.Can we afford ( in this post 9/11 world )to ignore the real threat that the norks, represent?
we will BURY you yanqui imperialist running dogs of capitalism!!
This is what you get for bowing down to the Saudi king instead of to your new master…our beloved DEAR LEADER!!!
Guys, what do you purposse we do, hit a nation, that has provided pilots and SAM crews to damn near every war we have been in since Korea in the Asian Theater? A nation who if attacked will get a few MILLION angry China men screaming and running, sorry driving down the mountians, this time they have quite a few and good tanks, one of the largest airforces and nukes?
Never mind North Korea has 30,000 TUBE Artillery pieces that can turn Seol (a major trade and global communications center) into a litteral SEA OF FIRE with in a momments notice? Nevermind all the missiles. A nation that has had since 1953 to build defenses and offensive fortifications and contacts in the South. A nation who can call on 17 million reserves, a nation who now acording to some sources now has T-90 tanks?
Our Army can do the job, but at a cost in blood not seen since WW2 The Korean aifroce is a joke, but I assure you its SAM network isn’t, and its faced American Planes a few times. I think the fact we have been in Afghanistan and Iraq so many years facing an enemy thats rebounding should be a sign our army is clearly not equiped or large enough to do such a job.
Keep in mind Saddam was an ass hat with central control and a Magiont line mindset with his forces, North Korean Officers are trained in Soviet Tactis and are quite litterally blood thrist and the “insane midget” mmay in fact be barely in control of his country’s military might. Keep in mind Soviet Tactics once kept some of you and your parents worried about Russian Tanks crushing the German border and kicking off WW3.
What Raids can we expect from the Norths Massive and well trained special forces who are equiped with litterally 100′s of infiltarion subs, what can we expect from NKPA’s officer corp, who are trained to be indepdant and attack with our reguard to collateral damage? How many weapons and what sorts have been amassed in an area the size of South Carolina we don’t know about?
Think about what war truely is, learn that both sides see themsleves as the good guys, and ask just how much blood you want to see spilled to ahive your objective, can any of you say “no matter the price?” At the very least we see untold North Koreans dead, Seol is gone, at least 10,000 US soldiers (DoD assessment) And thats just the week of operations.
Mankind has the power to make cities to vanish, even with out nukes. War is Chess my friends, Not Checkerds. Talking isn’t working, but we can not strike with what we have now, South Korea never will given a 5th of the country is nothing but a 5th collum, as to Japan? The momment Japan rearms, China will mobilize, South Korea, very well may dump us. History runs deep in those nations, a rearmed japan might also turn against us.