Back to business: Stop the cap-and-tax bill
Photoshop: Leo Alberti
We celebrated our freedoms this Independence Day. Now, it’s time to fight for them. Hope you are feeling energized. There is much work to be done.
On the front-burner: Defeating the cap-and-tax bill.
The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee begins hearings on Tuesday.
Spruiell and Williamson have an excellent rundown of Waxman-Markey’s garden of piggish delights. The unions get a cap-and-pay-off. Heritage must-read research and analysis here.
Which senators to target? Here:
Democrats and the two independents who caucus with them control 60 Senate seats. But more than a dozen have expressed concern over costs. They include Democrats from industry-heavy Ohio and Michigan, coal-dependent Indiana and oil-rich Louisiana.
Only a few Republicans appear open to emissions limits, notably two moderates from Maine — Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe — and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who championed emissions limits in his presidential campaign (though he has expressed reservations about the House bill).
The Senate bill will emerge from several committees — including the finance, foreign relations, commerce and agriculture committees — with dramatically different memberships and priorities.
The energy committee already has approved its chunk with wide bipartisan support. It includes a requirement to produce more electricity from renewable sources, but also expands drilling — a possible deal-breaker for environmentalists.
Boxer’s committee will center its work on cap and trade. The House bill would cut U.S. emissions by 17% below 2005 levels by 2020 and 83% by 2050. Environmentalists expect Boxer, who said she was “looking closely” at those limits, to strengthen them.
Yes, the fate of cap-and-tax is in the hands of Republicans like John McCain. As I warned last May, Sen. McCain has been a member of the global warming hysteria cult for years. A reminder:
Climatologist Patrick Michaels had McCain pegged four years ago, when The Maaaveerrick convened ridiculously, eco-Chicken Little-stacked hearings:
Recent U.S. Senate hearings into alleged global warming, chaired by Arizona Republican John McCain, were among the “most biased” that a noted climatologist has ever seen – “much less balanced than anything I saw in the Clinton administration,” he said.
Patrick J. Michaels is the author of a new book “Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media.” He is an environmental sciences professor at the University of Virginia who believes that claims of human-caused “global warming” are scientifically unfounded.
Michaels spoke with CNSNews.com Thursday following a panel discussion sponsored by the libertarian Cato Institute in Washington, D.C., where Michaels also serves as a senior fellow in environmental studies.
“John McCain, a Republican, has probably held the most biased hearing of all,” Michaels said. McCain is a big proponent of limiting greenhouse gas emissions, which he believes are causing “global warming.” The Arizona senator also “is trying to define himself as an environmental Republican, which he is going to use to differentiate himself from his rivals for the (presidential) nomination in 2008,” according to Michaels.
You can bet McCain won’t be visiting with Michaels on his climate change tour anytime soon. The truth would get in the way of his crusade:
Citing a visit he had to the Arctic with several U.S. senators last summer, McCain made it clear that he believed human-caused “global warming” was a certainty.
“It was remarkable going up on a small ship next to this glacier and seeing where it had been just 10 short years ago and how quickly it’s receded,” McCain told the New York Times…
…McCain also warned about what he saw as the rapid pace of Arctic warming, evidenced by the arrival of wildlife that had never previously been seen in the region. “The Inuit language for 10,000 years never had a word for robin and now there are robins all over their villages,” he told the Times.
Michaels refuted McCain’s assertions about the North Pole, noting that the Arctic has actually been warmer in the past than it is now.
“It was warmer 4 to 7,000 years ago [in the Arctic.] Every climatologist knows that. I saw no mention of that in the Arctic report that was paraded in front of McCain,” Michaels said. He added that the past warming of the Arctic couldn’t possibly be blamed on greenhouse gas emissions since it occurred long before the industrial era.
In 2003, Iain Murray debunked McCain’s anecdote about how he got interested in global warming:
He is on record as saying that the reason he became interested in global warming in the first place is because he recognized how much hotter it was getting at his home in Sedona, Ariz. Unfortunately, the data don’t back him up on this. If we look at the temperature records from the nearby Childs weather station, we can actually see a downward trend in temperature of slightly over 1° F. since 1986, when McCain was elected to the Senate. Another nearby station, Fort Valley, shows a very slight upwards trend. You can see these trends for yourself by looking at the official records available at the CO2science.org website. Certainly there are upward trends elsewhere in Arizona, but these are balanced by downward trends — Tucson has cooled while Tombstone has warmed. Arizona makes a poor poster boy for global-warming theory.
Like Barack Obama, McCain touts a “cap-and-trade” system as the free-market answer to reducing carbon emissions. Analysts who haven’t been bitten by the global warming alarmist bug beg to differ–and evidence from cap-and-trade systems already in operation back them up:
….the world has already witnessed many unpleasant surprises with Europe’s ongoing efforts to impose a cap and trade program under the Kyoto Protocol, the international climate treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
In fact, European efforts have racked up significant costs while failing to reduce emissions. Nearly every European country participating has higher emissions today than when the treaty was first signed in 1997. Further, despite ongoing criticism of the United States from Kyoto parties for failing to ratify the treaty, emissions in many of these nations are actually rising faster than in the United States.
The European experience also shows the problem of cap and trade fraud.[6] None other than Enron’s Ken Lay was a strong supporter of carbon cap and trade when the idea was first floated in the 1990s, saying that it could “do more to promote Enron’s business than almost any other regulatory initiative.” These carbon allowances that will be bought and sold have a value estimated at $50 billion to $300 billion annually, and the trade in them would be a huge new business. Enron may be gone, but others ready to take advantage of cap and trade–often at public expense–are not.
Sen. McCain needs to hear from folks other than Al Gore acolytes. Someone might want to introduce him, for example, to Alan Carlin. Sen. McCain’s email form is here and phone contact info:
Phoenix Office:
5353 North 16th Street
Suite 105
Phoenix, AZ 85016
Main: 602-952-2410
Fax: 602-952-8702
Tempe Office:
4703 South Lakeshore Drive
Suite 1
Tempe, AZ 85282
Main: 480-897-6289
Fax: 480-897-8389
Tucson Office:
407 West Congress Street
Suite 103
Tucson, AZ 85701
Main: 520-670-6334
Fax: 520-670-6637
Washington Office:
241 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-2235
Fax: 202-228-2862
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A list of cap-and-trade Senate targets from Temple of Mut.
And here is a thorough Senate cap-and-trade vote analysis from Nate Silver. Note this graph in particular:
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I know the majority of people on Michelle’s site understand all of this, but understand the vast majority of the public HAVE NO CLUE.
We need to not only contact these senators, but we need to gather our facts, put them in plain, simple and quick English and tell our friends and family.
The heritage foundation has good info on it (just the first place I went because I figured they would have it) and I am sure there are others.
The most important thing is that there is not a sane thinking American that would support this stuff. But we have to present it without party affiliation and just with the logical approach that is present.
With cap and TRADE, Wall Street becomes relevant again, this time trading fictional carbon credits instead of toxic assets… and Congressional coffers will remain filled.
A new mission for Sarah?
I had a fund raising email from the corrupt rino so he could stay a senator. I told his groupies that the fake man-made global warming, the corrupt epa’s crooked credit trading, and his treatment of Sarah were only some of the issues I had with him. The GOP is almost as bad as the Dems. Term limits are needed to get these bad guys out.
We don’t need to convince McCain. We need to retire him.
What we need is Total Recall.
The agenda of the Statist marches on.
Well…after tomorrow’s ‘memorial’ service for MJ is over.
Time to get out the big guns: buy a weanie bumper sticker from Ragspierre! Hahahahahahaha!
Just listened to Charles Grassley interviewed on Bloomberg and he wasn’t very complimentary towards his Republican “friends” on Capitol Hill. “I am the only conservative at the negotiating table.”
That’s why we need to cut the cord with the Republican party. We are independent conservatives and we outnumber them.
I agree but, unfortunately only 18 states allow the constituients to recall public officials. But, the good news is Pelosi, Boxer, Reid are in those states.
We need to make sure that the senate knows that Cap-and-Trade shouldn’t be used to reduce foreign oil dependency.
I have tried to clue in some of my more uninformed friends and relatives about the ramifications of this horrendous bill, and I just get blank stares and they tune me out. They don’t understand it and they don’t care. I just throw up my hands and tell them they will find out when their energy costs go sky high and they lose the freedom to regulate their own heat and a/c. They don’t believe it. It is so frustrating. And I get angry with them for not caring about their freedom and the future of our country. I have been called “radical” by some of them and some tell me they are uncomfortable with me and how outspoken I have become. If my friends are any example of the apathy out there, we have a huge problem on our hands. And I need some new friends.
Let’s just see if the one who pushed for a different direction in Iraq, is willing to go a different direction on the “Global Climate Change” issue.
Is he willing to hear actual facts that refute environmentalist claims, or is he just so “old” (not unlike Mr. Carlin, the expert) and set in his ways, that, like AlGore, the other expert, his mind is made up?
McCain isn’t running for president anymore, so I would suspect he is trying to establish a “moderate” legacy…at America’s expense.
John McCain…open borders, TARP, Crap and Trade, McCain/Feingold, etc. He was absolutely the WORST candidate the Republicans ever had! How did we end up with him? And how do we prevent that from happening again? If we can’t even nominate decent candidates, we are sunk. John McCain was a war hero. He is a crappy Senator.
Close the primaries!!!
What makes me the angriest about all this is, they are trying to pass a bill that will bankrupt this country, and for what?? Junk science. A gigantic hoax. Lies. Deceipt. And John McCain is falling for it too. Is there no one who can expose this for what it is? This is another part of their plan to socialize this country by first destroying it. Glenn Beck said it at the begining of his book, Common Sense. Obama promised change. But most people voted to change Washington, not to change the country!!
Well, gosh…MJ is such a liberal ICON, how much time goes by, before one of our California, or Illinois representatives earmarks a Michael Jackson Memorial Museum, or other tribute to the Modern Day Peter Pan? (They do so thrive on fantasy stories.)
Or, use federal dollars from TARP to insure MJ gets the burial he deserves. Does it qualify as a “shovel ready” project, does it not?
Can that be accomplished before the next presidential election? If not, then let’s just pray that McCain doesn’t decide to run again. We might get stuck with him a second time. Ugh!
The #1 GREENHOUSE GAS is not C02? It’s not even CARBON BASED!!! Those in WDC are idiots.
Does’t that have to be done by the legislature or by ballot measure? Doesn;t seem likely done by legislative measure, I think pols and parties (Dems especially) prefer open primaries.
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Hi HAPPYSCRAPPER #14. Senator McCain is a mixed bag–true American war hero, patriot bloodline going back to the American Revolution. And an engineering graduate from the Annapolis U.S. Naval Academy. One of the few “no earmarks” pols.
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He may have taken too many “hits on the head” during his tortures in the Hanoi Hilton. I held my nose and voted for him despite his “greenie” agenda, ILLEGAL (not “undocumented”) ALIEN AMNESTY bill, and “reaching across the aisle” stances.
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My vote didn’t mean anything–too much Left Wing Media (not MSM) support for him. Too many dimocraps / liberals crossing party lines to vote him in as the desired opponent for Hilliary or the Messiah. It was decided before Texas had the primary vote.
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A real engineer (like me–BSEE/MSEE–Power Company and military systems) should be able to see the 500,000 year long ice core sample data and it’s correlation to the cyclical earth to sun distance and earth axis tilt effects. Mankind doesn’t have anything to do with these documented global temperature changes.
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But science and data doesn’t count. Like Rhambo Emmanuel said, “Never let a crisis go to waste!” Or manufacture one to help rip off the taxpayers for your “democratic” / liberal / socialist / marxist / statist / communist goals.
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Any port (or crisis) in a storm.
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John Bibb
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Some feel he was chosen for us…by the Democrat Party. That is a notion I sort of agree with, especially when you see where the age of impartial “journalism” has led us today.
Yesterday, in talking about Sarah Palin on one of the Fox News shows, Julian Epstein, the Impartial One, tried to marginalize Palin, and added, in an offhand manner, that “The person whom the Democrat Party is REALLY afraid of, is John Thune from South Dakota!“
Are the Democrat’s trying to pick the next GOP Presidential candidate for us again? He might be someone to watch, however, I don’t think the Democrat’s are going to point to, and tell all who they think can defeat them in the polls, do you?
Well, a vast majority are, as are those who continue to vote them in. But just follow the money, and ideology, on why many are eager to vote for this abomination. Some are financially in bed with those who will profit from the bill, others purposely wish the demise of the USA as we have known it.
Well, they did it with McCain. The media had him on all the shows and kept spreading the word that McCain was the Republicans best hope to beat Hillary, as she was the most likely to get the dem. nomination. They perpetuated that myth so he would get the nomination, because they knew darn well he was a horrible candidate and would probably lose. And we were suckered in, big time. We were convinced by the idea that only a “moderate” could beat a liberal. I never believed that for a second. And when McCain got the nomination, I was literally sick to my stomach. We can’t let them do that to us again!!!
When did the Nazi party take over the U.K.? It looks like the “green shirts” are on the march in Jolly OL’ England. The Drudgereport and Climate Depot are also linking to the green stormtrooper story as well.
I would prefer the candidates just make themselves and their platforms known state to state and then come convention time duke it out, cut deals, and have the delegates decide. That should be more economical and environmentally friendly as well.
Never happen, but I lke that idea better than the current primary systems.
If we’re all calling McCain, we should absolutely inundate Snowe and Collins’ office staff with calls as well. You know they’re just aching to side with the libs on this one, just like McCain.
Snowe phone #s:
(202) 224-5344 (DC office)
(800) 432-1599 (ME only)
Collins:
(202) 224-2523 (DC office)
(207) 780-3575 (Portland office)
(If their staff asks if you’re a Maine voter, feel free to lie and say you’re from Portland, zip code 04101. Not sure if it makes a difference, but it might.)
THAT was my point! These “all-knowing” pols are still trying to tell the GOP that they have to go left to get elected. The GOP did go left, and look where it got them. I do not need any insulated moron in DC or NY to tell me what MY values are!
I’ve said it repeatedly on this blog, but it bears repeating…anything, and everything the left media, pundits, and politicians say, the opposite is the truth!!!
In holding this belief, I feel that the GOP, should it truly want to be representative in Washington, needs to go right, and not just a little. It can’t be business as usual anymore, as we are fast approaching the tipping point. WE MUST RUN, AND ELECT CONSERVATIVES TO OFFICE. We must do it locally, statewide, and nationally, OR
the price might just be too high to pay!
John McCain was hand picked by the Elitists that run the RNC. They pulled out the stops to get him to become the nominee.
If you remember Charlie Christ even allowed the Democrats to switch parties in the primaries(in violation of FL law) and vote for McCain. They forced delegates in 5 states to vote for McCain even though he did not win over the delegates.
Then they backed the Huckster to split the vote and guarantee that McCain got the nomination.
You have to realize that the RNC has be taken over by CFR Rockefeller Republicans that support the New World Order.They will only promote RHINO candidates like GWB and McCain.
I have no idea who they will support in the future but rest assured it will be a liberal candidate and not a conservative.We had several good conservatives last time and the RNC did everything they could to smear them and keep them from winning.
Just look at Michael Steele that kowtows to the left in Wash DC instead of rallying conservatives. He should be in the press everyday attacking Barry Soetoro for his socialistic programs and the illegal take over of companies.
Instead..he attacks people like Rush Limbaugh.
Why any GOP senator would say the bill has to be fixed is beyond belief. It doesn’t need to be fixed….it needs to be killed.
With McCain and those two idiots from Maine, Collins and Snowe, in the Senate, the chance of defeating this will unfortunately lie with some on-the-fence Dems.
The Republicans need to concoct a way to make this bill fail, or never come to a vote. To come up with compromises would be a complete betrayal of conservative principles. Not to mention sending our economy into the toilet for the next 25 years.
right_on
Here, here, thank you. Exactly where we are.
I don’t watch the alphabet news, nor most of the cable channels either. Fox is trying to be all things to all people and they’ll lose market share as well. I thought it was shameful having The Huck comment about Sarah Palin. He’s about as fair & balanced on the subject as a rat that’s trying to steal cheese. I’m tired of the smirks and innuendos from all of them.
Pound away at the politicians that have ulterior motives attached to their votes. Let them know they’ll not win in the longrun because you will make it your life’s ambition to get them out of office. Time is short.
I totally agree. And if we can’t get good conservative candidates nominated, we need to throw out the RNC and form a conservative party. The time may be right for such a move, but it would take courage and a lot of organizing and leadership. And there isn’t much time. If this country doesn’t get back to the principles and values of our Founders, we will be lost. We can start by moving all the illegal aliens to California, then kicking California and all their disgusting “movie idols” out of the union and giving them to Mexico. Anyone (other than illegal aliens) who wants to leave California will be given a window of time to move to another state, or be stuck in Mexico, under their government. Think I’m kidding? I’m not.
Hey!!! I live in Northern California! Send ammo!!!
Happy
The key to getting the RNC to listen and act is $$money. Sure, they’ve got lots of sponsors with the big dollars, but if we can find a list of them and boycott those same people we might get their attention. If not, I’ll be looking somewhere else. Like trolls, starve the RNC Beast. Give to individuals that prove they hold the same values as you, and will support the issues that are important even if it means throwing their buddies across the isle into a temper tantrum.
right_on – we’ll send care packages of anything you need. I’m from NorCal and it breaks my heart what’s happened to the entire state. The state should have been split years ago, but then, Sac would have starved to death for lack of money and entitlement programs.
O.K. right_on! We will only kick out Southern California. That is where the problem lies! And I do have relatives in the northern part! However, I can’t send ammo, as I live in Minnesota and we definitely will need it here!
Ouch!! I feel for you as well! I hope you don’t live in one of the big cities…beau coup bad!!!
What with your new addition to the Senate, I don’t know whether to laugh, or cry for you.
Thanks, 24K! I’m pretty well set, as I saw the writing on the wall by last August. Thank God I purchased what I needed back then!
I live in Southern California and there are more conservatives here than you think.Just because Arnold has refused to eject the illegals does not mean the populace is behind him.Think Gerrymandering .
There is a movement here called “head on a stick” to reward RHINOS by kicking them out of office.The Republican party in CA has been taken over by the same Rockefeller Republicans that have infested the national party.
I emailed my liberal Senator, Hagan. Won’t do any good, but I did it anyway. Also emailed Burr, just in case.
This Cap & Trade bill will be devastating to the economy and our freedom. This MUST be killed in the Senate! I have heard pundits say it will never pass the Senate. I think they are wrong. With a now 60 seat super-majority AND the RINO’s such as McCain, Snowe & Collins, I would say it has a better than even chance of passing. If so, say goodbye to any hint of a recovery and a lot of your freedoms.
I am suprised that LGM, defender of the orthdoxy, is not here to defend the global warming hoax.
And get candidates who will fight their way to the convention instead of throwing in their [mongrammed] towel…
I try to educate people around here about California, but they won’t listen (just like the GOP).
Here’s a map of the county votes for banning gay marriage: Proposition 8 Map
Looks to me like the northern California coast is the area that should be booted out.
“The idiots in San Francisco elected Nancy Pelosi to the House, but it was the idiots in the other states that made her speaker.”
Southpaw
We actually live in a suburb of Minneapolis. But some of the bad stuff is coming out this way too. So far, our area is relatively safe. Most of my neighbors are moderate democrats or republicans. Only one moonbat, and I have given up speaking to her entirely. She is too far gone! I mentioned this on another thread…Norm Coleman has lost elections to Jesse Ventura and now Al Franken. That is the definition of a real loser!!
With enough citizen activism, I think CRAP & RAID can be defeated.
This time.
Remember, these people only bounce off the will of the people…they don’t give up, they don’t stop coming.
If CRAP & RAID is passed, it needs to be the most violated set of laws in our history.
It only occurred to me the other day, but Prohibition was a great model for the power of civil disobedience. The people of America simply would not tolerate it, and they voted with their money.
This has to be fought…everywhere, all the time. For most conservatives, that will require thinking outside the box.
Does anyone like the idea of wearing black ribbons to show opposition to cap-and-trade?
yes please call and use the SEIU’s 888# which I got in my door today so the stupid idiots in the Senate think it’s coming from their pal’s….888-436-8427!
How do you get McCain to listen? Try talking to him about his primary opponent and how many more votes he’ll receive when everyone’s cost of living goes up due to his cap and trade vote.
McCain’s actions are driven solely by his political goals and ambitions. The whole “maverick” thing was about him attempting to curry favor with the media so they would help make him President. This time around, he’s trying hard to retain his Senate seat. Hit him from that angle, and I think there’s a good chance he’ll find a way to flip.
Or so the theory goes. As with the media, McCain’s judgment about what’s good for McCain isn’t always that sound.
My comments to Senator McCain:
Subject: Global Warming
Message:
Senator McCain
I have followed your position on Global Warming for some time now. I now must take the time to make my thoughts known before you act on the Cap and Trade bill passed by the House.
I find it hard to believe that any thinking person who has attained the position of Senator can believe that the ALGORIAN myth of the role of man made(?) CO2 as a pollutant and as a contributer to the possibility of runaway global warming.
It is abundently clear that the only real purpose of the bill is to put in place a tax of dimensions never before seen and to cause the maximum interference with the people’s freedom to travel, to do business, and to generally live their lives with a minimum of government oversight.
The adaptation of California emmission and building codes are only small examples of my point. The latter as it pertains to existing homes is patently insane.
I know when I say this that I am not alone: your performance vis e vis this bill will be watched and will be a bellweather item in your next election effort.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
PS I think your staff’s (and your) treatment of Sarah Palin as the election wound down and afterward was cavilier at best and an abomination at worst.
When “What the..?” Huck grins he reminds me eerily of Dick Nixon.
I bet he wears wingtips to the beach, too.
Lee #49
My cousin in Phoenix will thank you, and I thank you for that well thought out letter to McCain. The power bills in Dallas & Tarrant Cty, TX are so obscene, that people die every summer because they cannot afford to eat and pay power bills at the same time. $400 – 450 is not uncommon. If those bills increase because of this mythical warming I can only see the state’s elderly and poor in dire circumstances. Obama’s Washington D.C. doesn’t care. It will relieve social security, medicare, medicaid, and all other social services of the burden. Couple that with socialized/restrictive medical care and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
I don’t mind this at all. By the time I receive one, would it still do any good?
Make you’re own and start wearing immediately.
We need a photoshop icon bearing the black ribbon – we can also tag it onto every e-mail we send with a catchy phrase. Common p’shoppers, you’re very talanted….be creative. Pweese.
Here’s what I wrote McCain:
Hopefully he won’t cave in out of global warming idiocy or corrupt back room deals that wind up stripping of of more freedom. Maybe he’ll listen to the people for a change.
And the ONLY candidate with the non-PC guts/balls to raise his hand at the Repub debates that global warning was B.S. was MY MAN Thompson, who unfortunately and foolishly pulled as much of a boner of a coy campaign as Sarah has in bailing out of Alaska.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Every national and international scientific professional organization has endorsed the global warming hypothesis. You would think that at least one Republican Senator would be convinced.
The global warming denial movement has much in common with the cigarette/cancer deniers of yesteryear. In both cases, right wing organizations quoted arguments from industry funded partisans to contradict the consensus of the expert scientific/medical community.
lgm, is that why the northern states (and Alaska), have had colder summers and winters the past few years? So taxing Americans, and hurting business will save the world?
So, now you are comparing the rational people to the cigarette/cancer deniers. Really?! Be honest now lgm, you really wanted to say holocaust deniers….right?
lgm, YOU are on the wrong side of science on this one!
BTW, let me know if you’d ever like to debate the double edged sword of the evolving epidemiological data statistical significance of yesteryear.
For the love of good God, save us from these government freaks.
233 years ago we won a war for our freedom from kings and tyrants. Seems like we are right back where we started.
Golly, lgm, you can’t even document your own BS Wiki-work correctly.
I read your link, sucka. I does NOT say “EVERY national….”
Nor, in reality, COULD it, you dope. There happen to be several bodies of scientists who do NOT subscribe to the preposterous AGW tripe you spout like dogma.
To you, that is precisely what it is…dogma. My karma just ran over your dogma…
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lgm #57 It would be fruitless to pick at your opening statement, it is so blatantly wrong that additional comment is as I said, fruitless.
But your comment regarding “smokers” must be addressed. The people supporting the smoking bans and the “moral” taxation thereof are the same people that are comfortable serving on the board of an HOA or in general, telling other people how they should live their lives.
The Cap and Trade Bill is this attitude on steroids. It invades and seeks to control just about every aspect of your life as it relates to energy. Note I did not say Carbon I said energy.
Your lighting, heating and cooling, your building codes,your ability to sell your own property, your transportation, fuel, and cars. Mortgages and lending practices.
These all will come under the purview of “Little People in Green Uniforms armed with rubber stamps and worse”
In other words wannabee Nazis.
This is not a pretty picture and it is because of people like you that believe in, and spew, absolute ALGORIAN nonsense as truth, that it is even being considered.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
PS This whole program is made to order for the ACORN/Community Organizer bunch to move in as the CO2 police.
If anyone is around to write the truth any more and to document history let them write how the left constructed a club, designed to bash the average American over the head, and called it Cap and Trade along with the fable called Global Warming which was used to convince them it was for their own good!
The Clubbing of America’s Middle Class is a design to seize freedom and always has been.
It is so blatant an attack that people do not trust it is an attack, and give credibility to the fable not wanting to believe that government would rob them of their freedom with such deceit.
Lee Hazel said (#63):
You don’t deny the cigarette/cancer link. You just deny that we should act on it, because the only victims are smokers.
You don’t deny global warming, only deny that we should act on it. The situation is different. If the global warming hypothesis is true, which you don’t deny, then everyone suffers from CO2 production, not just the gas guzzlers.
The anthropometric global warming hypothesis is NOT true. Nobody will suffer.
Compounding of lies. The fundamental one, regardless of what causes it, is that “global warming is bad”. There is ZERO proof that global warming is harmful. There is zero proof that there is any ‘tipping point’ to cause ‘run-away’ global warming.
There is zero empircal evidence that global warming CAUSED, (from the global warming that occured from the early 80’s through ~2001), an acceleration of sea level rise. Contrary to doomsdayers for example, Bangladesh GAINED land mass along it’s coast from silt deposits that have been and are expected to continue to out-run the slow pace of sea level rise that has been happening fairly steadily for over EIGHT THOUSAND YEARS. Argo buoy data indicates that the rate of sea level rise has slowed down a little in the last few years.
There is zero empircal evidence that past global warming events like the Medieval Warming period, (a GLOBAL event as PROVEN by a number of temperature proxies around the planet), were ‘bad’ for humans or any other species. In fact, most indicators point to a BETTER world for civilization to flourish with more food, more free time, less war, more innovation, etc.
What alarmists do when confronted with the above FACTS, they then move the goal posts and claim that the RATE of global warming is happening too fast because of human CO2; when cornered on a lie they change the topic.
NOOO! NAIL them on their first fundamental LIE and make everyone watch them squirm. If they are exposed on the first lie then fewer people will believe them when they utter the next lie or the one after that, etc.
One of my personal postulates is that all Marxists are liars. Another is that all global warming alarmists are liars.
Now, with those two, it is tempting to conclude that all global warming alarmists are Marxists just as they try to say that human CO2 causes global warming merely because they happened to go up at the same time for a short while.
Of course I won’t dare try to float such a dishonest conclusion the way they do based on an unsubstantiated “correlation” anymore than I would conclude that water causes cancer because all people who get cancer drank water, (which IS their methodology here.)
… but I think that I damn well have good reason to suspect it is true for a LOT of them!
Tis his hot air that cooks Sedona.
He will say anything to be “the Maverick”, to be noticed, be on TV and have reporters swoon won’t he? All the scientific data in the world will not sway that arrogant little fool-what is good for John McCain is good for John McCain.
So yes call, write and e-mail his office-not that I have much hope it will sway him but let him know how we feel. We called, wrote and e-mailed, politely, about McCain-Kennedy Amnesty and NEVER received one response. I did get a thank you for my Contributions and requests for more.
Deny McCain the Republican nomination in 10. Throw the bums out.
Cap & Trade is just the beginning. Did you see the link from Drudge? The enironmental whackos are now openly discussing individual carbon limits.
New climate strategy: track the world’s wealthiest
Do you think Obama & Michelle will have to stay under 11 tons?
My favorite question for Al Gore boot lickers amd other liberal useful idiots:
What would be best for world climate?
A. Get a little warmer.
B. Get a little cooler.
C. Not change at all; current is best.
lgm said:”If the global warming hypothesis is true, which you don’t deny, then everyone suffers from CO2 production, not just the gas guzzlers”
OK hot shot, tell me how CO2 will cause suffering?
LGM: The consensus is just as big of a myth as global warming. I can give you 31,000 scientists who disagree with the myth of which 3000 are climate or related degree holders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
LGM has some of you dead to rights on the smoking issue. I have been arguing this same thing in some recent threads on the cig tax. It does us Repubs no good to be arguing for smoker’s rights. Its bad for people, just tax it and be done with it.
But lgm, equating the smoking arguments to the global warming arguments and thus the Cap and Trade bill is quite a stretch, even for you.
Which means to stay solvent, the average americans standard of living will have to DECREASE. All in the name of a myth.