corkie said:
On July 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, purplepeep said:

I was justing sitting down to reply to ya, Corkie when a lotta stuff hit the fan – a large complex near me went up in flames!

Big flames, lots of smoke, police, fire, the whole ball-o-wax. Though I’m not a member of our fine volunteer FDept, I am a community volunteer and , as you can imagine, there’s a lot of people who need help.

I took a couple of pics but it’s a cheap camera so it’s just mostly blurs of lights from emergency vehicles.

At any rate, I’ll be busy this eve so I’ll catch up with you later on this. And here I had planned a nice Fri night relaxing and watching a DVD or 2, lol!

I remember as a kid when one building my family lived in had a fire – it really disrupts lives to say the least. In this case, the complex seems to be at least somewhat gutted and I think no lives were lost, but only the morning will tell.

Gotta go, see ya.

On July 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, purplepeep said:

It does on at least on Obamacare, Corkie.

Yes, but it seems like a one-off kinda thing.

Hold your Senators and Members of Congress accountable for reading any healthcare reform legislation up for vote by having them sign our pledge:

They are specifically singling out healthcare reform.

OK. Now go to bed. I promise I won’t post anything else until you’re back.

The problem is that Congress shopping at Best Buy for HDTVs only exists in your fantasies, Chap!

You are now simply making crap up and you know it (I knew you’d get around to it eventually). You think (or at least you are arguing here) everyone should personally read every document put in front of them. That is your argument, your standard. From the most complex piece of legislation all the way down to pulling into a parking garage, and everything in between. Remember those nice cites you linked to that purported to support your contention? “Don’t sign anything without reading it first?” I guess you meant “anything” to mean “anything until I am called out on my stupid, unrealistic standard. Then I will make specific exceptions in a vain attempt to cling to my last shreds of credibility in this argument.”

On July 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, purplepeep said:

…to me it’s a given that I’m gonna look anything over carefully before jumping aboard.

Look over? I remember you stating that everything should be read.

My use there was a delineation of temporal consideration…

Such consideration wasn’t necessary. Everyone already agrees that many things should be read before being signed.

We were debating whether or not everything must be read before being signed.

Corkie:
Well, their website doesn’t indicate anything about mandatory bill readings.

It does on at least on Obamacare, Corkie. On the right hand side of the main page near the top you should see the “Pledge To Read” notice/link which will take you to that section. Bye for now.

chapoutier said:

“It does if shopping for TVs at Best Buy were what Congress does.”

No no. Don’t backpedal now

The problem is that Congress shopping at Best Buy for HDTVs only exists in your fantasies, Chap!

I don’t mind if you want to share a fantasy scenario, but at least include Playboy Bunnies next time. Maybe something like “Hef took a dozen very healthy-looking Playmates to Sam’s Club, so why don’t we build a harem for Congress to make their naughty peccadillos even easier?”

Good day!

On July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am, purplepeep said:

I believe the Let Freedom Ring project is an ongoing open-ended one, Corkie, so it may be a “stunt” but it’s not one-day, one-shot type of thing.

Well, their website doesn’t indicate anything about mandatory bill readings.

Our mission is to promote:

* Constitutional government
o Original intent of the Framers of the Constitution
o Limited (Federal) government
o Separation of powers (Judiciary not legislating, etc.)
* Economic Freedom
o Free enterprise and equal opportunity
o Social Security Reform — to achieve financial independence, not dependence
o Profit as an economic incentive
* Traditional values
o Family as the basic building block of society
o Sanctity of life
o Religious liberty, not restraint of religious speech

Highlighting what’s actually in these bills work – the Dems have already backed off cap-n-tax.

I think what you’re talking about – what motivates you – and what the pledge does are complimentary, both are approaches to the same end.

That might be. I never opposed the pledge stunt. I oppose focusing on it.

corkie said:

On July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 am, purplepeep said:

What would cite as example(s) as qualifying for “unimportant” status, Corkie?

You tell me. You gave me two “moreso important” examples. Please give me two lessso important examples.

Well, first off, this week my work schedule was such that this is my bedtime, Corkie! So I’m ready to hit the hay and will really have to pick this up later.

But – I see – you’re stressing my use of “moreso”. I didn’t have any “lesso” in mind there – to me it’s a given that I’m gonna look anything over carefully before jumping aboard.

My use there was a delineation of temporal consideration; to indicate that there are times when someone can get shafted on the spot if the person leaps before looking. That’s bad enough, but to carelessly log on into something that will shaft a person with regularity in the future is an even worse situation. It’s a “moreso” of occurance.

So it’s not of “degree” but of potential of prolonging suffering.

Hope that clears it up, cuz I’m off to snooze! Have a good night – errr…Good day, that is.

It does if shopping for TVs at Best Buy were what Congress does, Corkie.

No no. Don’t backpedal now. Every document. Every situation. Every time. That is your standard.

At least have the courage of your convictions.

corkie said:
purplepeep, does that make sense?

It does if shopping for TVs at Best Buy were what Congress does, Corkie.

Actually, I wish it were their job since they probably couldn’t mess up the nation and shaft 300 million people.

Even then, I’d be watch ‘em closely. They’d bring back everything in the store and send my grandchildren the bill! Money is an abstract concept to them.

corkie said:
The reading pledge stunt (yes, it was a stunt) was being proposed in an attempt to control the content of the bill. It wasn’t be proposed to actually assure that the bills were read.

Personally, I want to focus on convincing 60 Democrat Senators (and many RINO Senators) not to sign liberal bills. I don’t give a crap if they read them or not.

I believe the Let Freedom Ring project is an ongoing open-ended one, Corkie, so it may be a “stunt” but it’s not one-day, one-shot type of thing.

And, I’d say it is effective in that it is designed to control legislative content, one way to do that would certainly be to force Congress to read everyhting it passes. While that may not be realistic as a goal, it highlights that what’s in the bills is important. If Congress ain’t reading ‘em, somebody will and give ‘em holyheck over this & that.

Highlighting what’s actually in these bills work – the Dems have already backed off cap-n-tax. If nobody knew what was in it and they give it an Orwellian “Happy Days Are Here Again, America Bill” title, all the good ol boys(and gals) would line up to sign on.

I think what you’re talking about – what motivates you – and what the pledge does are complimentary, both are approaches to the same end. Same with the Tea Party movement. Putting pressure on using different methods is good “strategery”. Everybody does what they can in the area they are best.

On July 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am, chapoutier said:

if I had a staff of competent attorneys and advisers with me as I walked into Best Buy to buy that high def TV, ones who could better understand and explain the contract to me, and who I am paying to have my best interests in mind, I would have zero issue not personally reading that contract.

That is the point you continue to ignore. Not reading the contract personally does not equal ignorance of it, or responsibility for it.

Wow! Well said. You’ve outdone me!

purplepeep, does that make sense?

If your spouse was a great consumer product finance attorney would you trust them to review the HDTV contract for you?