The farce of cap-and-tax revealed
From Sen. James Inhofe:
What does it mean? The truth about the cap-and-trade farce revealed:
During a hearing today in the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, EPA Administrator Jackson confirmed an EPA analysis showing that unilateral U.S. action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions would have no effect on climate. Moreover, when presented with an EPA chart depicting that outcome, Energy Secretary Steven Chu said he disagreed with EPA’s analysis.
“I believe the central parts of the [EPA] chart are that U.S. action alone will not impact world CO2 levels,” Administrator Jackson said.
Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) presented the chart to both Jackson and Secretary Chu, which shows that meaningful emissions reductions cannot occur without aggressive action by China, India, and other developing countries. “I am encouraged that Administrator Jackson agrees that unilateral action by the U.S. will be all cost for no climate gain,” Sen. Inhofe said. “With China and India recently issuing statements of defiant opposition to mandatory emissions controls, acting alone through the job-killing Waxman-Markey bill would impose severe economic burdens on American consumers, businesses, and families, all without any impact on climate.”
Send this to the GOP cap-and-tax 8 and the Democrat cap-and-tax fence-sitters.
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More from The Foundry.
Will Sen. Robert Byrd stand by his opposition to Waxman-Markey — or will he trade his vote for more payoffs?
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More farce revealed at the G8 summit: You go first. No, you…
Developing nations led by China and India refused Wednesday to back lofty but long-term targets proposed by the Group of 8 industrial nations to cut greenhouse gas emissions, balking at reluctance by leaders of the world’s biggest economies to move more quickly on their own.
Inability to bridge the gap between rising carbon-emitting countries such as China and the longtime polluters within the G-8 underscores the steep challenges involved in attempting to strike a comprehensive bargain to contain global warming.
The impasse comes down to the politically sensitive issue of who goes first.
President Obama and his counterparts in the G-8, who are holding two days of meetings in the central Italian mountain town of L’Aquila, offered broad agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. The statement pledged to slash global emissions by 50%, led by reductions of 80% by the G-8 countries.
They also prepared to offer new financial incentives for developing nations to join the effort.
But the G-8 stopped well short of pledging to take aggressive action that could curb emissions more quickly — at the cost of higher energy prices and a feared worsening of the global economy.
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I feel I must post this again.
CO2 has no impact on the earth’s temperature, that is just the big
lie that has been pushed for so long that unfortunately lots of
people have come to believe it.
Firstly CO2 is the RESULT of higher temperatures not the cause. The
Sunspot Cycle drives variation in climate, see this chart from NASA
and see that its about a ten to twelve year cycle. When the earth is
warmer more CO2 is released from the oceans. But CO2 does not drive
the temperature change, the sun does that. CO2 is a minority gas in
the atmosphere that only makes up far less than one percent (.038%
to be exact). CO2 is an essential gas which plant life requires in
order to grow.
Here is what scientists without economic interest in the global
warming fraud have to say about CO2
If you take CO2 as a percentage of all the gases in the atmosphere,
the oxygen, the nitrogen and argon and so on its .054% [.00054], its
an incredibly small portion and then of course you’ve got to take
that portion which supposedly humans are adding which is the focus
of all the concern and it gets even smaller.
The atmosphere is made up of a multitude of gases, a small
percentage of them we call greenhouse gases, and of that very small
percentage of greenhouse gases, 95% of it is water vapor, its the
most important greenhouse gas.
The ice core record goes to the very heart of the problem we have
here, they said, if the CO2 increases in the atmosphere as a
greenhouse gas then the temperature will go up, but the ice core
records shows exactly the opposite. So the fundamental assumption,
the most fundamental assumption of the whole theory of climate
change due to humans is shown to be wrong.
Professor Tim Ball, Dept. of Climatology University of Winnipeg
[There have been periods] in earth’s history when we had three times
as much CO2 as we do today, times when we had ten times as much CO2
as we have today, if CO2 has a large effect in climate then we
should see it in the temperature reconstruction.
Professor Nir Shawiv, Institute of Physics, University of Jerusalem
We can’t say that CO2 will drive climate, it certainty never did in
the past.
CO2 clearly cannot be causing temperature changes, its a product of
temperature, its following temperature changes.
Professor Ian Clark, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
None of the major climate changes in the last thousand years can be
explained by CO2.
Dr. Piers Corbyn, Climate Forecaster, Weather Action
Water vapor is a greenhouse gas, by far the most important
greenhouse gas.
Humans produce a small fraction in the single digits, percentage
wise of the CO2 that is produced in the atmosphere.
Professor John Christy, Lead Author, IPCC, Department of Atmospheric
Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Anyone that goes around and says that carbon dioxide is responsible
for most of the warming of the 20th century hasn’t looked at the
basic numbers.
Professor Patrick Michaels, Dept of Environmental Sciences,
University of Virginia
CO2 began to increase exponentially in about 1940, but the
temperature actually began to decrease 1940, continued until about
1975.
Professor Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Director, International Arctic Research
Center
Also, this is the fourth time this century a climate change fraud
has been attempted.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/firean
dice.asp
Never mind the premise, that we can control the weather by turning on and off our “collective” lightswitches.
I’m going to hold back on judgment until I hear from GOP climate change gurus John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Michael Steele and John Boehner.
Gee, Godless liberals now control the weather – who needs God when you are one.
Steven Chu is a true believer. He also thinks that Dear Leader walks on water.
xler8bmw – could you provide a link to where you originally posted that? I want to share that with others, and I want a page that has the live links you reference in your post.
Thank you very much.
I don’t know how much more proof those idiots need! The globe is not warming! When are they going to wake up? I seriously think they are brain dead…and AlGorePig is the leader of the zombies. He is starting to look more stupid every day. If we are seriously considering bankrupting our entire country over this issue, there will be hell to pay. I for one, refuse to use those mercury-laden light bulbs. And they will regulate the temperature in my home only after prying my thermostat from my cold (or hot, as the case may be) dead hands! There really are no words to adequately describe the lunacy that has taken over DC.
That must be rhetorical, right? I mean, there must be some structure in West Virginia that doesn’t yet have his name on it.
Meanwhile, in Uganda, they are blaming the drought on angry gods. The libs are arguing they are partially right.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200907081085.html
Because there were never droughts before the industrial revolution.
Speaking of bankrupting the country…this is off topic, but I just want to mention this…if California would just re-open their off-shore drilling and stop giving welfare to illegal aliens, they would be completely solvent in a very short time. Instead, they concentrate on making sure everything is “green” so our environment will be healthy. Real solutions are right in front of them and they don’t see them. Hmmmm…more evidence of insanity.
Lets see, where should I put this factory in the USA where the enviromental cost per unit is 10.00 or China where it is .25 cents.
Gee this is hard…
Owl Bore is preying on our children and their children too. Having studied meteorology at FSU, I can tell you the data these loons are using is faulty, at best! Through the years of recording temperatures, the majority of the NOAA gauges are located next to asphalt parking lots, airport tarmacs, and on top of office buildings. Currently, they are upgrading a lot of these facilities, but lack of funding has slowed this process down. However, the data is still faulty and should not be used to determine our future. Global warming is a sham, Cap and tax is a sham, Owl Bore is a sham and has a huge investment in the very industries that will profit if this bill is ever passed. You know China and India hope this bill passes since it will make the US much weaker in the global economy.
Although nothing Byrd does surprises me, I believe he’ll stick to his word in this case. Legacy wise, I can’t see him lending his support to any measure that will bring harm to WV’s mining industry, regardless of the trade-off.
I posted it last week on MM. It is a word doc I have that was given to me a while ago from a friend. There is a live link regarding the 4 hoaxes on the bottom.
If you go to google and type in CO2 has no effect on climate you will get a plethora of info on the hoax!
Yes, while at the same time, they refuse to do anything to curb their own pollution. And, our Dear Leader is overseas promising to reduce our carbon “pollution” by 50% by a certain year. It won’t make any difference, Odumbo!!! If no one else does it, we will just run our country into the ground and become Third World. Then the rest of the world will have to have huge benefits to raise money for our starving children. Bono, take note. America will be needing your talents very soon.
Spot on that’s why GW wouldn’t sign Kyoto as well as China wouldn’t agree to pay anything for the mass amount of carbon they produce which has bypassed our output!
Not that I expect them to listen, but I just emailed Colorado Senators Udall and Bennet urging them to vote NO on Waxman-Markey. I mentioned the ice core data that proves CO2 increases LAG behind increases in temperature, etc. That, and the temperatures on the other planets tracking Earths’s are deal breakers for me.
“I invested all our money in Consolidated Fujiama California Smog Bags… filled with smog!”
- Joe (QUIZ WHIZZ, 1958)
Sen Inhofe and Sen Coburn…can we clone them and put them in all the other 49 states!!
What a shame too. This whole global warming thing takes away from the real issues.
1. We should be concerned about our environment. Deforestation and over-fishing are causing massive changes to the environment by destorying species and food chains. But Al Gore and company are giving environmentalists a black eye.
2. Our economy is being destroyed right now. The top ranking company in the Fortune 500 is now foreign owned Dutch Shell (7 of the top 10 are oil companies) and China is projected to be the world’s 2nd biggest economy by 2025 and bigger than the US by 2035.
If the US goes through with restricting economic growth with cap and trade, China’s dominance in the world economy could come about sooner than currently projected.
And unlike the US’s free market, once China is that big they can effectively shut US companies out of their economy for good or impose ridiculous tariffs that don’t allow US companies to compete.
Russia and China will run the world’s economy and the US will be left to wonder what went wrong.
I think that the “Global Warming” advocates (Media,Gore,GE,Government) know that the premise is completely false and is a blatant lie, and have known it all along. Therefore the only ones that common sense, logic, and scientific arguments could influence are the “Dupes” that want to believe it or those that have a vested interest in perpetuating an obvious lie. Any geologist can tell you that the moderate temperatures that we have had the last few thousand years are not the norm for this planet in the first place.
Ditto That! That’s why I told trolls like lgm “jokes on you!”
O/T: Ann Coulter has a great column this week about liberals’ obsession and disappointment with Sarah Palin’s decision to resign.
That chart looks a
littlelot suspicious. Here are a bunch more.I saw this too, and thought it makes as much sense as what the enviro-nitwits think.
Besides, it serves their purpose to keep Africa as backwards as it is. They don’t care how many trees they cut down in Africa, or how many elephants & rhinocerous they poach. They are noble savages! We could learn from these peaceable folk!
Byrd, standing by…look for a new structure of some kind…large 100-millions sort of thing…..named for…..Byrd. Bottom line…Climate Change is even better for the government that the Drug WAR…..TRILLIONS….can be spent on anything…and the weather (climate) will still be….”different”….”give us more of what you worked for and ‘we’ will give you blue skies and moderate temperatures”…just one more Trillion….promise…..Wouldn’t you surrender your FREEDOM for that?….
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HI XCLR8BMW #1. Good post–but sunspot activity is a “short term” effect. The real driver of cyclical global warming and cooling are the earth to sun distance changes and the earth axis tilt changes. These cause the ICE AGE and WARMING climate changes.
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The 500,000 year old ice core data on earth temperatures correlates well with these orbital changes. Comparing the graphed data makes this obvious to anyone with a brain–if they don’t have a “greenie” or “don’t let a crisis go to waste” mentality.
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Volcanic activity–millions of tons of fine dust and noxious gases in upper atmosphere for years–cause unpredictable changes. Ditto for giant meteor impacts.
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Mankind didn’t cause these changes. We are nearing the end of the current warm cycle and will see earth cooling and a future ice age in the next 10,000 years if the cyclical trend repeats. It has done so a number of times in the last 500,000 years.
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John Bibb
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Try JunkScience.com for some good global warming debunking. They even have a large reward for scientific proof of manmade global warming.
This is why the Distinguished Senator from Oklahoma gets my campaign dollars.
Inhofe shows the rest of the GOP how it’s done. Now if they’d only listen.
Climate Depot has linked to this press release. It’s nice to see someone trying to stop the insanity while looking out for the taxpayer.
Hell, all of us thathave a mind and can think always knew this was a sham and a scam. Thinking that the US will decrease Globologna is a farse, as if the winds only circle above the US and all climate is controlled by North America. The real eye opener was when I mfinally found out why NBC,MSMBC are such B— Snorkelers for the Empty Suit, GS stands to gain one hell of a lot of cash for the Wind Farms they plan to populate with their turbines that do nothing on a calm day and still cannot store the energy they produce. I am just plain sick to death of it all.
She failed to mention the McCain campaign’s role in creating/fanning Sarah’s problems. It isn’t just liberals. Pay attention to all of the Republicans who are arm-in-arm with the libs on all of the major issues including Palin Derangement Syndrome.
We conservatives are on our own.
The primary threat to this country and the environment is not rising CO2 levels, but rather rising hubris levels among self-absorbed, zealots who have no knowledge of human history or earth science.
People live happier, healthier lives today, because we have cheap, abundant energy so we are not stresed by temperature extremes, do not have to spend excessive time in physical labor, and are the best nourished people in history. Our quality and length of life has never been better.
My world is also CLEANER that it ever was when I was a child. All of this is ignored by the eco-zealots. Nuclear fallout, dioxin, chloridane, DDT, acid rain, MTB, sulphur dioxide, soot, mill dust, lead, mercury, commercial animal lots, oil spills, etc. etc. etc .etd. have all been successfully dealt with. All that the greenies can come up with is carbon dioxide. Think about how ridiculous that is when you consider the above list.
We live in a world where an animal whose numbers have incread 5 folder in 40 years, the polar bear, is arbitrarily ruled as endangered. A trace gas we exhale and plants convert and produce oxygen with is ruled as a pollutant.
The followers of this movement are simply idiots. The leaders don’t care about the environment at all. Their objective is power and control. PERIOD. The people who conducted the Salem witch trials would find a lot in common with them.
True but, sunspot activity is by some the primary cause of climate change. Oh and let’s not forget those pesky volcanoes.
http://www.paulmacrae.com/?p=34
The way to recognize the party of a congressman on the floor on C-span is
1) If they are showing charts & facts, they are GOP
2) If they are talking about “feelings”, they are a donk.
Do You Want the US to FAIL?
That’s all I can say to all of the administrations polices. More and more failure until the ultimate epic fail – collapse of US economy leading to global ruin.
Maybe saying this over and over again is simple enough for congress to understand.
There is also some speculation about the effects of the Earth and the Solar System crossing the Galactic Plane.
There is a lot of discussion about this effect, including the doomsday scenario of 2012. There isn’t much we humans can do about our journey around the Milky Way Galaxy, but if the NeroBama and the Gorbite can make pretty speeches about it and tax us for it, they will.
Can we please build nuclear plants instead of developing a smart grid to see if I’m running my washing machine during daylight hours (and stopping it from running, btw)
algore is just in it for the money anyway……
I was going to bring that up also. I understand it could mean an increase in gamma rays from the galactic center.
And don’t forget the ethanol fiasco. That was a complete disaster!
Good comparison, flyoverman!
amen tomg; you can either meet your growing energy needs by producing more power, or punishing those who use power. which makes more sense? i know the school teachers and gubmint beaurocrats continually seek the lowest common denominator, but growing economies don’t. china did for 50 years, and remained poor and underdeveloped, they changed 20 years ago and today are buying more vehicles than we will this year. we can build a third world country out of the u.s., and we are going about it very rapidly. punish success, subsidize failure, tax business, reward unemployment, educate our children to the lowest standards in the developed world, import college students from nations which educate their kids, and run rigged elections to keep the status quo. sounds a lot like cuba, eh.
The reason Hope-a-Dope wants to saddle America with Cap-n-Tax has nothing to do with
The Coming Ice Age(TM)Global Warming(TM)“Climate Change”(TM).It’s about taking this country down several notches, as part of a broader plan to let the Lilliputians of the world rule over us (a.k.a., “Punitive Liberalism”).
Start with the premise that Hope-a-Dope firmly does not believe in American exceptionalism. He has clearly said as much. If one believes as he does that a strong and independent America really is the source of all the world’s problems, the “solution” must be to force America to eat such a large slice of humble pie that it chokes.
This is where hamstringing the American economy, sapping the American spirit of independence and self-reliance, turning the American People against one another through identity politics and its handmaiden class warfare, and forcing this country to submit to an assortment of international governance and regulatory bodies comes in.
For only after we have been suitably
punishedreconstructed can we be readmitted into The World Community. This is the earmark of how a transnational progressive thinks. And that is what Hope-a-Dope is.It’s just like the thinking behind raising taxes on “The Rich.” Rich Lowry at National Review recalled a conversation he had with some liberals on that subject, starting with a debate over whether lowering taxes raises tax revenues. Of course the liberals refused to accept that no matter how many facts he beat them over the head with.
The climax of the discussion occurred when Lowry finally got the libs to accept as a hypothetical that the Laffer Curve really does work and that lower taxes for everybody could produce more tax revenue: they still wanted to boost taxes on “The Rich.”
Why? To punish them.
Cap-n-Tax is to ecology what raising taxes on “The Rich” is to government revenues: the proffered justifications are nothing but “Boob Bait for Bubbas,” as Patrick Moynihan put it, so as to conceal the real malevolence that underlies them.
The evidence continues to pile up that Hope-a-Dope hates this country, its people, its social traditions and its economic philosophy with a boundless passion shared only by those who still strongly approve of him in the polls: his sucking up to foreign dictators while slapping our friends across the face, his eagerness to break our backs economically, his determination to eradicate American exceptionalism, his insistence on lowering our defenses even as our rivals grow bolder and more aggressive, his casual disregard for our laws and our Constitution and his corruption of our political institutions all lead to only one conclusion:
To “save” America in his own image, he must first destroy America. He’s got an socio-political omlette to make, and everything we hold dear about the Republic is nothing but a bunch of eggs to him.
CO2 and climate change… the PHYSICS do not work.
First, the theory of Greenhouse Gases.
All energy comes to, and leaves the Earth as Radiation.
Radiation comes from the Sun, in a specific spectrum (including light), and is then either Reflected back to space, absorbed by the Atmosphere, or absorbed by the earth’s surface.
Energy is also Radiated by all matter (called Black Body Radiation) in specific wavelengths dependent primarily on the Temperature of the mass.
Matter also will absorb radiation, but different molecules absorb different frequencies of radiation energy… known as the absorption spectrum. This energy will raise the energy state of the molecule, which it will then either reradiate (as blackbody radiation), or loose energy through conduction.
The theory behind a greenhouse gas is that the Gas will absorb incoming radiation from the sun, and through conduction, heat the rest of the air around it. It will also absorb IR radiation radiated by the Earth itself (black body radiation again), and use conduction to spread it to the rest of the atmosphere.
So, is CO2 a Greenhouse Gas? YES, it is, but only up to a point.
CO2 ONLY absorbs IR energy in well known, and clearly defined frequencies, which comprise about 8% of the IR Spectrum. This IR can come from the Sun, the Blackbody radiation of the Earth, or the Blackbody Radiation of the atmosphere itself.
The problem is that ALL of the IR radiation in the Earth’s biosphere, within those frequency ranges IS ALREADY BEING ABSORBED!
http://www.nov55.com/atmo.html
The above chart is a visual representation of the Energy absorption spectrums of the atmosphere, and the %’s of those spectrums being absorbed. If you look at the CO2 absorption frequencies, you will see that they are already at 100% absorption…
or, to put it simply, there is no more energy to absorb, thus there can be no Temperature increase by adding more CO2!
So, in conclusion, is CO2 a Greenhouse Gas? YES! But its already reached its maximum Greenhouse effect, adding more will not do anything.
Therefore, the Cap and Trade legislation will not do anything except bankrupt us.
Regulus, agreed. Like I mentioned in yesterday’s thread somewhere, it serves nearly every Statists’ agenda to keep the class-envy battle going.
I see it work at my job–the lower class someone is, the better it works! ‘Boob bait for Bubbas’ indeed!
Opposed to the Obama, Browner (which OOPSIE) got caught again in criminal behavior)
Errah, with Crap and Tirade being so easily accepted and passed in the House, I understand that Waxman has put in the missing section of the bill finally limiting/taxing the creation of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the atmosphere so we can readily return the earth to is primordial soup atmospheric condition.
These politicians need to be hung for Treason!!!!!!
Just wanted to get that out before my first ammendment rights are taken away by HR1966.
President Ostupid is talking about it now. Everything is above this dopes pay grade.
Yeah, I might even change my mind about abortion if they promised to make it retroactive for certain people. Can I say that?
Just as the once “established science” of the flat earth, geocentric universe and bleeding as a cure for disease have now been put in their proper trash bin, one day the myth of global warming will go there as well. The big question is – will this happen before we’ve all been bled to death?
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HI FLYOVERMAN #33. Good comments on how the U.S.A. has really made a lot of pollution / health progress in our lifetimes.
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However, you put eliminating DDT as one of the positive achievements. This banning of DDT was done due to Rachel Carlson’s SILENT SPRING book in the 1960’s. It blamed DDT for causing big declines in eagle and other bird populations due to eggshells being so thin that they broke under the weight of the nesting bird moms.
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Later studies showed that it was some kind of a genetic defect or parasite that caused these problems–not DDT.
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The banning of DDT is responsible for tens of millions of unnecessary deaths from malaria, dengue fever, West Nile virus, etc. over the last 40 years. DDT is cheap and lasts 6 months after application–really wipes out the mosquitoes that carry these diseases. National Geographic had a very good article on this a year ago. Most deaths were in very poor African, Asian, and Central / South American areas.
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These countries want to use DDT again–they can’t afford the replacements–which only last a few weeks. The U.N. and World Bank refuse to let them do so–financial aid will be cut if they do so.
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My Dad was a Navy cargo plane navigator in the South Pacific during WW2. When he returned to Hawaii the air crew was completely “dusted” with DDT–under t-shirt, in shorts, in hair, etc. before they could leave the plane. Ditto when they flew to Alameda Air Station in Frisco. He lived to 87 and did not have any health problems.
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The DDT scare appears to have been a “BAD SCIENCE” knee-jerk reaction that has killed tens of millions of people. Even if DDT killed birds–which it didn’t–people’s lives are more important than birds.
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Regards–John Bibb
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Oh. And let’s not forget about global cooling and the nuclear winter! Mustn’t forget those gems of “established science”!
Not everyone thinks so. PETA would prefer the birds replace most humans (except the PETA people, of course).
Yes, I am really upset that these Dems found a way to pass the McCain-Lieberman Cap and Trade Bill.
We used to be conservatives on this site but more and more, these threads are becoming dominated by Republicans apologists.
Let’s try a little harder to focus on our principles and if the GOP is in our future, let’s force them to earn our votes. We are clearly slipping back into the same habits that will bring about another “lesser of two evils” election year.
We’re waiting on who goes first? Hello! Europe already went first, and it was a dismal failure! Case closed.
UrbanSpaceman and xler8bmw
The following link is particularly handy when talking about the REAL greenhouse gas (H2O) that gets left out of AlBore’s discussions because it destroys the “CO2 is the boogeyman” message.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
But you know that is not the point. As far as Obama is concerned, our country is EVIL. As far as he is concerned, (look at his own life), nothing is accomplished without “wise” government intervention (in his mind he has to know if there were a level playing field, he’d not amount to an ant hill). As far as he’s concerned, USA as it (was) known has to change.
He HATES USA.
Yes, and the feeling is mutual. True Patriots of the USA hate him!!
Further, as far as any “explanation” of greenhouse gasses goes that I’ve seen “scientists” present – they ALWAYS have ignored the increase in outgoing radiation that will occur if in fact the planet did warm. Incoming radiation has to equal outgoing (over some time function) or the temperature would go to either infinity or absolute zero.
Apparently 5 supreme court judges are more knowledgeable in the field of meteorology and astronomy than the educated scientists…as they determine co2 is a pollutant. Looks like the consensus has it again, no matter what science has to say.
According to our fearless leader, the global warming issue has been settled and “there will be no more discussion about it.”
riiighhtttt….
Thanks for the info!
I like the idea of Europia test driving all these new political/social programs like crap and trade and national health care…only problem is our politicians are to too thick to see it when they fail…or is it their too socialistic not to do the same thing?
It is failing in Europe, has already failed and been repealed in Australia and they are working on getting rid of it in New Zealand but our fearless leader, no matter how socialist he may be (though I still argue more for a Stalinist rather than the relatively pure Marxism and definitely more along the lines of devout communist than socialism) he will fail as well.
So no fear, he will do the same thing. The only difference will be that when he fails here, he will be there to make sure that the crisis does not go to waste and assure himself the position of the first king/emperor/deity in chief of the New USSA.
I might be a little thick – but what did I miss in this thread that brought on this comment.
To achieve Cap and Tax’s 80% reduction in “greenhouse gas” production (which Greenpeace says still isn’t enough) means an 80% reduction in living standards. Basically, the living standard of the average American would be reduced to that of the average Mexican (a country with 20% of our per capita GDP).
Obama can break ethics laws with impunity, and he can defy the laws of economics until the national debt credit card maxes out… but try as he might, he can’t break the laws of thermodynamics.
Just a cautionary comment to urge people to notice that these threads are increasingly being dominated by Republican apologists who completely ignore that the GOP is at war with us conservatives. To pin this completely on Obama and the Dem libs while forgetting that amnesty, cap and trade, porkulus, bailouts, and new health care entitlements began when the GOP controlled everything demonstrates why we can’t get our candidates nominated. Even Palin Derangement Syndrome was on display earlier this week.
We we lose if we can’t maintain our focus as conservatives and right now, I see us quickly slipping into the GOP’s lap.
Go Sarah!
Oh, and one more thing about this POS legislation.
There’s money going to…you guessed it…ACORN. Read here:
On July 9th, 2009 at 2:40 pm, Pasadena Phil said:Gotcha – thanks for clarifying.
FWIW – I think the R party for the most part fails to recognize if it weren’t for Sarah, the vote would have been 90D – 10R instead of 48-46 with 2% dead, 2% illegal and 2% double vote all voting D making the final total 52 D, 48 R.
sorry on my 2:51 post – shoulda previewed – should not have been strike – should have been quote.
Well, if you can get enough small slices of big pies, before long you have a pie all of your own!
rocketman,
I was aware of the desire to use DDT to fight West Nile, malaria, etc. Seemed reasonable even with the non-existent side effects.
I will do some research on it. That’s wonderful news that it is not as damaging as first suspected.
I wonder why lgm is not here defending his “the world as we know it will end” climate salvation mission. No, I don’t.
“Facts are stubborn things. Statistics are somewhat more pliable.” – Mark Twain
Because he knows I will, for the third time, present him with the highly abridged version of the supressed EPA report on “Endangerment” and ask him to present the scientic evidence that contradicts it.
The prior two times I did it, he went disappear from the thread.
As your Twain quote said, “Facts are stubborn things.”
Flyoverman: For those who can’t go looking for it, can you provide a link?
Too many argue with feelings rather than facts and I want to be armed with facts!
It’s not about climate. This is a power grab, pure and simple. That’s why they couldn’t care less if Cap and Trade has any effect on climate. What these people really want is to control every aspect of our lives. Climate Change is just a means to that end. Debunk global warming and they’ll just find some other scare tactic to use to pursuade people to surrender their freedom. It’s a never-ending battle we have to wage against tyrants of all stipes.
May be true for those in leadership…otherwise many people who are attracted to government basically want to get paid for essentially doing nothing.
Testimony garbled. Watch the video: the chart is not about this year’s bill but one from yesteryear. The Nobel Prize winning scientist and secretary of energy said it was wrong. The secretary of the EPA just said what the chart said without agreeing with it.
Emphasize the word “unilateral”. The chart claims to show what would happen if the US acted but nobody else did. On the contrary, US action is part of actions taken by other countries, even India and China.
Inhofe has the facts wrong. MM misreports what Inhofe says. It’s like a game of telephone.
lgm – climate reality deniers, like creation deniers will never be convinced by facts. Emphasize the word “facts.”
lgm, here again is the summary from the present EPA report before congress. Folks here have asked you to respond.
Enlighten us, O wise one.
swede said (#82):
This list probably came from non-scientist global warming deniers, trying to sound like scientists. It’s like me calling out “Objection, calls for speculation from the witness.” and expecting to be taken for a lawyer. If the science were on the side of GW deniers, climate scientists would say so. If your list had a credible source, you would have given it.
Real lawyers laugh at Law and Order. Real mathematicians laugh at Numbers. GW deniers are just as successful at trying to sound like scientists.