“We really are just focused on what lies ahead.”

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 12, 2009 11:24 AM


Photo credit: U.S. Marines and about 650 Afghan soldiers and police officers prepare to board CH-53D Sea Stallion and CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters on Forward Operating Base Dwyer, Afghanistan, July 2, 2009. The Marines are assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, Regimental Combat Team 3, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade. The Marines and Afghan forces are partnered for a major operation in Helmand province to transition security responsibilities to the Afghan forces. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Chief Warrant Officer 3 Philippe E. Chasse

Matt Sanchez is embedded with the 3rd Battalion, 11th Marines in Helmand Province in Afghanistan. At FoxNews.com, he reports on how the Marines are staying focused:

Throughout Afghanistan, troops have been killed in action, but that hasn’t been a major concern. News doesn’t reach Fiddler’s Green 24/7, and because of a lack of Internet and phones, most of the 3/11 Marines are using pen and paper to send letters to loved ones back home.

“No media out here, not sure what’s really going on out there,” Corporal Tyler Ledbetter told FOXNews.com.

Ledbetter, who is three months into a 7-month tour in Afghanistan, refused to comment on the possibility of abduction, but was quick to explain why the rising death toll did not faze him.

“We’re the best trained fighting force in the world,” he said.

Throughout the day, redundant checks are designed to account for Marines. “Accountability. Eyes on every Marine, pre-combat checks, pre-combat inspections,” said battalion commander Lt. Chris Lewis. “Physical and visual accountability, nothing less.”

The battle-hardened command is much more stoic than the younger grunts with guns at the gate.

“Personally I have no fear of being kidnapped. Accountability is very strong for the Marines,” said Sgt. Christopher Rye, a 26-year old Marine combat camera photographer.

In the Combat Operations Center, one of the few areas with electricity and some climate control, Battalion Adjutant 1st Lt. Adam McLaurin is brief and blunt. “I’m not focused on casualties,” says the Gainesville, Fla., native, who is on his first deployment.

“We really are just focused on what lies ahead.”

Keep these men in your thoughts and prayers.

DoD Identifies Marine Casualty

The Department of Defense announced today the death of two Marines who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

Lance Cpl. Roger G. Hager, 20, of Gibsonville, N.C., and Master Sgt. John E. Hayes, 36, of Middleburg, Fla., died July 8 while supporting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan. They were assigned to 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

And from Ft. Carson:

A veteran soldier who re-enlisted in the Army to support his 4-year-old son was killed Wednesday in Afghanistan, the Department of Defense announced Thursday.

Spc. Gregory J. Missman, 36, of Batavia, Ohio, died in Bagram, Afghanistan, after his unit was attacked with small-arms fire, the department said. He was part of Fort Carson’s 704th Brigade Support Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division.

Missman had served in the Army in the early 1990s but had been a civilian for 11 years, his father, Jim Missman, told WCPO in Cincinnati. He recently re-enlisted after a divorce to provide health insurance for his son, his father said.

Missman was a 1993 graduate of Amelia High School in Batavia.

His unit deployed a month ago.

And more.

R.I.P. Your service and sacrifice are not forgotten.

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  1. #743196
    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am, DougT said:

    Specialist Missman is from my neck of the woods. This is a fairly tight community and Missman’s sacrifice will be duly recognized and honored.

    My fear is that this poignant story of a man serving his country and supporting his family will be twisted by self-serving politicians to point out the need for universal government run healthcare. You know it’s coming.

  2. #743197
    On July 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, Ragspierre said:

    THE ONE and his minions in Washington are steadily, progressively, exposing us to future terrorism:

    Consider—

    1. release of the Qud Five, special operators from Iran that are implicated in the death of several hundred Americans in Iraq (Iran is thinking about suing the US for detaining them)

    2. planned release of more Iranian operators, taken in Iraq

    3. release of GITMO detainees into un-secure foreign hands

    4. revision of the posture of war to a posture of police action, including reading detainees Miranda Rights

    5. politicization of our intelligence, including outright lies about the previous administration and the integrity of the intelligence services

    6. various initiatives to domestic organizations with known terrorist connections

    When you lower the costs of anything, you raise the demand for that thing. Terrorists see lowered costs associated with committing acts of terrorism against the US.

    As effect follows cause, we are looking at a time of heightened risk for another major terror attack on the US.

  3. #743198
    On July 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, teachem2 said:

    R.I.P. Spc. Gregory J. Missman, Lance Cpl. Roger G. Hager, and Master Sgt. John E. Hayes. I thank you for your service.

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am, DougT said:
    My fear is that this poignant story of a man serving his country and supporting his family will be twisted by self-serving politicians to point out the need for universal government run healthcare. You know it’s coming.

    That was my first thought after reading about Spc. Missman. Instead of seeing him as an upstanding, responsible father, they will portray him as a victim of society. That truly degrades his service to the country and the thought of that angers me.

  4. #743219
    On July 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, granite said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, teachem2 said:

    R.I.P. Spc. Gregory J. Missman, Lance Cpl. Roger G. Hager, and Master Sgt. John E. Hayes. I thank you for your service.

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am, DougT said:
    My fear is that this poignant story of a man serving his country and supporting his family will be twisted by self-serving politicians to point out the need for universal government run healthcare. You know it’s coming.

    That was my first thought after reading about Spc. Missman. Instead of seeing him as an upstanding, responsible father, they will portray him as a victim of society. That truly degrades his service to the country and the thought of that angers me.

    Second thought that crossed my mind, too.
    Agreed.

    First thought: God bless these three men and the rest of our Armed Forces.

  5. #743222
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pm, right_on said:

    God bless our troops…especially the snipers!

    As far as the liberal Congress, who secretly view the military as a threat to their domination is concerned Illegitimi non carborundum!

    We, the patriotic people of America support you, as we know you support us, and our Constitution! Semper Fi!

  6. #743224
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:09 pm, right_on said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am, DougT said:
    My fear is that this poignant story of a man serving his country and supporting his family will be twisted by self-serving politicians to point out the need for universal government run healthcare. You know it’s coming.

    Don’t you know….lack of “affordable healthcare” killed this Marine…wait for it! Which politician will be the first to use this patriot’s death to further the statist agenda? Any guesses?

  7. #743226
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, happyscrapper said:

    If you get a chance, listen to this song. It makes me cry every time I hear it.

    Freedom’s Never Free
    By Phillips Craig And Dean

    Standing on a hillside
    Where the river meets the sea
    White crosses without number
    Line the fields of peace
    And each one a silent witness
    Staring back at me

    Every cross a story
    Of another place in time
    Where young men thought it worthy
    To give their life for mine
    And for the sake of honor
    Left their dreams behind

    And for the price they paid
    I’m forever in their debt
    Their memory will not die
    ‘Cause I will not forget

    I will stand and hold my head up high
    I will dedicate my life
    To the glory of the ones who had to die
    I will live, live what I believe
    If for no one else but me
    I will remember
    Freedom’s Never Free!

    I will walk free
    I will stay free
    I will live free
    I will die free!

    There is another verse, but this one is the one pertaining to our soldiers.

    God Bless every one of them!!

  8. #743228
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, letget said:

    My heart aches everytime I read of a man or women who dies for our country. My heart aches for their families. I ask God to please comfort the families and put His arms around those who have died.
    L

  9. #743230
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, zorro said:

    Eternal rest grant unto them O Lord,
    And let perpetual Light shine upon them.
    May their souls
    And the souls of all the faithful departed
    Through the mercy of God
    Rest in peace.
    Amen.

  10. #743234
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFBzNibOl78

    Here is the vidoe of the song Freedom’s Never Free. It takes 6 minutes. If you want to be inspired like never before, listen and watch. It will be well worth your time.

  11. #743235
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, regularguy said:

    God Bless these men. My fear is the vast majority of the nation will never know the history of our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The history will be kept to a few obscure books, if that, in part because of weasels in the media who will not report it. Worse, there are plenty of ungrateful sheeple who do not serve, who will never make sacrifices for the nation and will never be made to. who will not read whatever little will be written about it. I see a market for history and news out there that’s largely untouched.

    The sacrifices of our servicemen and women must not be forgotten.

  12. #743238
    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:40 pm, UberInfidel67 said:

    This is one of the reasons I have about 10 to 15 pictures of my brother the Marine all over my house. He complains and tells me to take them down. My response: I will leave them up until this is all over with to show my support for you guys. There are too many lefties who don’t, so I am your backup. He quit complaining.

  13. #743282
    On July 12th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Lance Cpl. Roger G. Hager, 20, of Gibsonville, N.C.

    very close to home. . . 5 minutes from here. He was on the news and it’s pretty sad. Always hate it when our young men get killed. Can’t dwell on it though. They have a job to do. And I always appreciate it.

  14. #743288
    On July 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, apacherat said:

    One story being kept from the media and the American people, the Obama administration is forcing our military services to be used as a social experiment in the name of civil rights by lowering the academic requirements for black and Hispanics who apply for admission to the U.S. Naval Academy. The dumbing down of our officer corps. It shows you how mush respect the Obama administration and the liberals have for the safety of our men and women serving in harms way. The first priority of an officer is seeing to the safety of the men and women who serve under his command. Lowering the standards of our officers corps will only increase the casualties of our troops on the battlefields and at sea.

  15. #743313
    On July 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    I sure hope the military has all it needs to fight this war now. I know there was the same concern even under Bush but I think they tried to make things right..but now, well, it’s hard to trust this administration. I worried when I heard that air support was being scaled back (Afghanistan).
    Praying for our military, here and departed.

  16. #743337
    On July 12th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, Bruce said:

    Imagine how disheartening it must be to be operating in a foreign contingency operation with a lying, anti-American jihadist creep like Obama calling the shots?

  17. #743338
    On July 12th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, 24Klady said:

    May God the Father comfort and ease the pain for the surviving families of these men. May He also welcome those men home with open arms. Pray for those lost and those with a job yet to do, and blast every news outlet that tries to distort the stories for their own agenda.

  18. #743341
    On July 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, swede said:

    So, lgm – I assume you take Sundays to worship the ozone layer…but you were just pointing out to us how the NYT is more respectful of our brave and brilliant men and women in service than MM or the folks here, or something.

    I strongly reccomend reading Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell for those here who have not already read it, and especially you lgm. What does giving your all for your country mean? Read the book. I literally couldn’t put it down.

    I always find myself deeply humbled by these incredible folks, and all of you here who are and/or have served our country, (or have children/spouses doing so) You are in our humble prayers. May God richly bless you and your families. You are all heros!

  19. #743353
    On July 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Let’s just hope that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar are dealt with because they perpertraited 9/11. Others have had the opportunity to deal with him and failed. Let’s hope this time we are succesful.

  20. #743361
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, Cal City Conservative said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Let’s just hope that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar are dealt with because they perpertraited 9/11. Others have had the opportunity to deal with him and failed. Let’s hope this time we are succesful.

    Once again one of the local libs acting like the dems are warriors! What a joke.

    You think this gutless POS of a CIC would do anything to them if they ever had the chance to?

    You are a useless idiot. I use that term not useful because it is closer to the truth.

  21. #743373
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:26 pm, Boomer said:

    You’ve got to love this generation of heroes focused on their mission with only one goal to WIN. Now if only the amateurs in the White House, the halls of Congress, and embedded in the Pentagon will just let them achieve this end. In my opinion the only functional branch of the Federal Government is the US Military that still manages to successfully complete any mission the political class gives them despite the micro-management of the arrogant, ignorant, and just plain stupid decision makers elected/appointed over them.

    Stay safe over there Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and you magnificent Marines! Many of us on the home front appreciate the daily sacrifices and suffering of you and your familes praying for your safe return to your loved ones.

  22. #743377
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pm, DagneyT said:

    “No media out here, not sure what’s really going on out there,” Corporal Tyler Ledbetter told FOXNews.com.

    Michael Yon, where are you?

  23. #743382
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, swede said:

    Others have had the opportunity to deal with him and failed. Let’s hope this time we are succesful.

    CalCityC – Yeah, I was thinking by “deal with him” Z meant giving him a restaurant in the Bahamas or something along those lines.

  24. #743388
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:46 pm, DagneyT said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFBzNibOl78

    God bless you happy, that was such a blessing to me!

  25. #743393
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pm, DagneyT said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, apacherat said:

    One story being kept from the media and the American people, the Obama administration is forcing our military services to be used as a social experiment in the name of civil rights by lowering the academic requirements for black and Hispanics who apply for admission to the U.S. Naval Academy. The dumbing down of our officer corps.

    Some of our brave military will die because of this decision of BO.

  26. #743397
    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, DagneyT said:

    I strongly reccomend reading Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell for those here who have not already read it, and especially you lgm. What does giving your all for your country mean? Read the book. I literally couldn’t put it down.

    Swede, my husband kept asking me why I was reading it if it only made me cry? Never did get him to read it. It’s a truly amazing story. Every SEAL is now a bigger hero to me than they already were!

  27. #743436
    On July 12th, 2009 at 7:13 pm, simcoe said:

    Do you think that our military is there to take on and vanquish the Taliban?

    Your only partially right. The Taliban is not the ‘what’, they the ‘how’. Our military is there to secure an election for ‘bama. Our young people are dying for the black president’s Muslim agenda of securing an election. The offensive is only two weeks old and it will run at least until election day, Aug 20 of this year.

    Dated July 3, 2009,

    Via AHN, the latest on the surge in Afghanistan:

    One American Marine has been killed as U.S. and Afghan forces on Friday continued their massive offensive deeper into Helmand River valley. The assault, the first major Afghan operation by the Obama administration, is part of an overall effort to secure militant strongholds ahead of Afghanistan’s national elections next month.

    Our military men and women are honorable in doing their duty and following orders because for them non-compliance is not an option. However, fighting terror, the reason for being in the Middle East, is not the reason we’re in Afghanistan as it was in Iran.

  28. #743450
    On July 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm, jangar said:

    Thank you members of our US Military. At least someone is focused on the ball.

  29. #743459
    On July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, hunter said:

    Let’s just hope that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar are dealt with because they perpertraited 9/11. Others have had the opportunity to deal with him and failed. Let’s hope this time we are succesful.

    Like your boy Bill?

  30. #743471
    On July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, Cal City Conservative said: #20

    Once again one of the local libs acting like the dems are warriors! What a joke.

    You think this gutless POS of a CIC would do anything to them if they ever had the chance to?

    You are a useless idiot. I use that term not useful because it is closer to the truth.

    Huh?

    My comment was not partisan, and could refer to Pres Clinton and Pres Bush.

    Get a grip, and stop projecting. I will not call you names, that is too easy. Having a cogent logical arguement that deconstructs what someone else says is far more ‘useful’.

  31. #743474
    On July 12th, 2009 at 9:46 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, hunter said: #28

    Like your boy Bill?

    Huh?

    When did Bill become my boy?

    Re-read my original comment, and take note that it was non-specific and non-partisan. I did not want to pick on any single President.

    Why you thought I was talking only about Pres Clinton, or only about Pres Bush, is beyond me.

  32. #743502
    On July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pm, simcoe said:

    Do you really think that our military is in Afghanistan to take on and vanquish the Taliban?

    Your only partially right. The Taliban is not the ‘what’, they the ‘how’. Our military is there to secure an election for ‘bama. Our young people are dying for this POTUS’s Muslim agenda of securing an election. The offensive only two weeks old and it will run at least until election day, Aug 20 of this year.

    Dated July 3, 2009,

    Via AHN, the latest on the surge in Afghanistan:

    One American Marine has been killed as U.S. and Afghan forces on Friday continued their massive offensive deeper into Helmand River valley. The assault, the first major Afghan operation by the Obama administration, is part of an overall effort to secure militant strongholds ahead of Afghanistan’s national elections next month.

    Our military men and women are honorable in doing their duty and following orders because for them non-compliance is not an option. However, fighting terror, the reason for being in the Middle East, is not the reason we’re in Afghanistan as it was in Iran.

  33. #743505
    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:12 pm, Tennessee Dave said:

    To all of these brave men I hope they rest in peace and I give them a heartfelt SALUTE!

    Though I’m sure that insurance was a part of Spec Missman’s decision to return to the army, but I’m sure there’s more to the story. That is such a giant decision that I would hope that sense of duty, love of country, and the desire to belong to a team were all contributing factors as well.

    I know that the time between getting off active duty and becoming a full time ANG technican were two years and nine months of the longest time in my life. I didn’t realize I would miss all those things I mentioned above so much.

  34. #743506
    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:25 pm, corkie said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pm, zyzzyg said:

    My comment was not partisan, and could refer to Pres Clinton and Pres Bush.

    On July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, hunter said: #28
    Like your boy Bill?

    There’s no excuse for not answering yes to that question.

  35. #743507
    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:29 pm, corkie said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Let’s just hope that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar are dealt with because they perpertraited 9/11.

    I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again. Not you – you’re “just” hoping OBL and Omar are “dealt with.”

  36. #743508
    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:41 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:25 pm, corkie said: #33

    There’s no excuse for not answering yes to that question.

    Tree Bark, your chiming in is always interesting.

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:29 pm, corkie said: #34

    I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again. Not you – you’re “just” hoping OBL and Omar are “dealt with.”

    Tree Bark, why do you focus on what I do not say, vice what I do say? I did not say anything about future attacks. You are welcome to ask me about future attacks.

    Avoid assigning motive to others when you can simply ask them a question.

  37. #743511
    On July 13th, 2009 at 1:03 am, lgm said:

    swede said (#18):

    but you were just pointing out to us how the NYT is more respectful of our brave and brilliant men and women in service than MM or the folks here, or something.

    I stand by that. This post from MM is a direct answer to my post from yesterday. She had gone days without mentioning troops.

  38. #743638
    On July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 am, corkie said:

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:41 pm, zyzzyg said:

    I did not say anything about future attacks.

    No need to ask you. You only stated that we should “just” hope that OBL and Omar are dealt with. You clearly meant “just” to mean “only.”

    You are welcome to ask me about future attacks.

    I don’t need to ask you about something you deliberately excluded.

  39. #743642
    On July 13th, 2009 at 9:37 am, Flyoverman said:

    LGM,

    I have a flash message for you.

    The troops don’t gve a rat’s rear what you or the NYT’s thinks of them. They have a BS detector that is uncanny in its accuracy.

    So do not even bother going through the motions of acting like you care one whit about them. They know better and just Drive On.

  40. #743644
    On July 13th, 2009 at 9:39 am, corkie said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 1:03 am, lgm said:

    She had gone days without mentioning troops.

    Gosh, lgm. Going days without mentioning troops is unacceptable? You certainly have very strange standards for MM.

  41. #743660
    On July 13th, 2009 at 10:09 am, sonofdy said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 1:03 am, lgm said:

    She had gone days without mentioning troops.

    Oh look, a liberal pretending to care about the troops..

    :roll:

  42. #743827
    On July 13th, 2009 at 12:31 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 am, corkie said: #38

    No need to ask you. You only stated that we should “just” hope that OBL and Omar are dealt with. You clearly meant “just” to mean “only.”

    Tree Barkie you give new meaning to spin.

    LOL. Now you are telling me what I mean? Had I wanted to say ‘only’ I would have said ‘. . . approach with a single purpose of mind . . .’

    I don’t need to ask you about something you deliberately excluded.

    I also deliberately excluded any mention of attacks on our England, on Israel, or any of our allies, on our troops, etc.

    Since you said, “I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again” in your post #34, is it reasonable to suggest that you do not care one way, or the other, if England, Israel, or our troops are attacked? I think not. Yet they were deliberately excluded from your statement.

    There is no way to assert, or conclude, that you would want harm to come to anyone because you did not mention them in your statement. That would be ridiculous and unfair.

    I would not do it to you, and you should not do it to anyone either.

  43. #743942
    On July 13th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, corkie said:

    zyzzyg, feel free to explain to everyone what you meant by,

    Let’s just hope that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar are dealt with…

    Tell everyone what you meant by the word, “just.” The word is exclusionary by definition.

    There is no way to assert, or conclude, that you would want harm to come to anyone because you did not mention them in your statement.

    I didn’t conclude that “because” you didn’t mention them. I concluded that because of your own word choice. Bad assumption on your part – very hypocritical of you.

    If you think I’m taking your comment too literally, then feel free to explain to everyone exactly what you meant.

  44. #743985
    On July 13th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, corkie said: #43

    zyzzyg, feel free to explain to everyone what you meant by,

    Let’s just hope that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar are dealt with…

    ‘Everyone’ is not curious about my meaning. Only you are, because you are the only one asking about my meaning. Others have suggested a level of partisanship, which I rejected.

    ‘Dealt with’ means, what it meant when Pres Bush said, “Dead or Alive”. I prefer dead, maybe with his head on a stick. But, I am extreme in that way.

    Tell everyone what you meant by the word, “just.” The word is exclusionary by definition.

    Using the word ‘just’ is merely a colloquialism. You taking issue with a pattern of speech, is just ridiculous.

    There is no way to assert, or conclude, that you would want harm to come to anyone because you did not mention them in your statement.

    Yes, those are my words. Do you agree, or disagree? ‘Everyone’ wants to know.

    Nope. That is a stretch. I want to know.

    For your benefit I will repeat the question that you did not address, and hope that you do so now, “Since you said, “I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again” in your post #34, is it reasonable to suggest that you do not care one way, or the other, if England, Israel, or our troops are attacked?”

    If you do not mention all the people, places and countries that you do not want harm to come to, are you, by exclusion, wanting harm to come those you do not mention?

    I didn’t conclude that “because” you didn’t mention them. I concluded that because of your own word choice. Bad assumption on your part – very hypocritical of you.

    I made no assumptions, and am far from being hypocritical. I presented a hypothesis. One that I had hoped you would examine. Try examining the hypothesis and answering the direct questions.

    If you think I’m taking your comment too literally, then feel free to explain to everyone exactly what you meant.

    Again, it is not everyone, it is only just you. Geez, did I just use the words ‘only’ and ‘just’? LOL.

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    Function: adjective
    Date: 1751
    1: of or relating to conversation : conversational
    2 a: used in or characteristic of familiar and informal conversation ; also : unacceptably informal b: using conversational style

    Take me literally, or don’t take me literally, but try commenting on what I said, and not on what I did not say.

    Unless, of course, you now want to take me to task, because I deliberately excluded any mention of the terror experienced by women in Aghanistan, and attacks on the same.

    Tree Barkiie, your serve. And have the stones to answer the questions this time.

  45. #744022
    On July 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, corkie said:

    Take me literally, or don’t take me literally

    You’ve often insisted on being taken literally on here. From now on, tell us when you want to be taken literally and when you don’t want to be taken literally.

    try commenting on what I said, and not on what I did not say.

    That’s exactly what I did. You’ve attempted to dismiss what you said.

    ‘Everyone’ is not curious about my meaning.

    I never stated otherwise.

    it is not everyone, it is only just you. Geez, did I just use the words ‘only’ and ‘just’?

    It’s good to see you admit to the definition of the word “just.” Now, own it!

    I made no assumptions

    Yes, you did.

    Unless, of course, you now want to take me to task, because I deliberately excluded any mention of the terror experienced by women in Aghanistan, and attacks on the same.

    It’s weak for you to suggest that I took you to task for what you didn’t say. I’ve been very clear, and it’s obvious.

  46. #744062
    On July 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, corkie said: #45

    It’s weak for you to suggest that I took you to task for what you didn’t say. I’ve been very clear, and it’s obvious.

    Your words, cut and pasted -

    On July 12th, 2009 at 11:29 pm, corkie said: #35

    I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again. Not you – you’re “just” hoping OBL and Omar are “dealt with.”

    Try answering the following question -

    Since you said, “I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again” in your post #34, is it reasonable to suggest that you do not care one way, or the other, if England, Israel, or our troops are attacked?”

    If you do not mention all the people, places and countries that you do not want harm to come to, are you, by deliberate exclusion, wanting harm to come those you do not mention?

  47. #744101
    On July 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, corkie said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Your words, cut and pasted -

    No it’s not.

    I stated, “I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again.”

    I didn’t state, “I’m only hoping this country isn’t attacked again.”

    I didn’t state, “I just hope this country isn’t attacked again.”

    The latter two statements would be exclusionary. This isn’t rocket science. Second graders would easily understand this concept.

    If you do not mention all the people, places and countries that you do not want harm to come to, are you, by deliberate exclusion, wanting harm to come those you do not mention?

    That’s stupid. See above. Stop attempting such a stupid counterattack. It makes you appear desperate.

  48. #744362
    On July 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, corkie said: #47

    As I have explained, the use of the words that cause you such distress is a colloquialism.

    There is no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid people who are fearful of answering them. Are you stupid or fearful? If you do not want to answer the questions, have the stones to say you will not answer the questions, ‘everyone’ wants to know.

    Since you said, “I’m hoping that this country isn’t attacked again” in your post #34, is it reasonable to suggest that you do not care one way, or the other, if England, Israel, or our troops are attacked?”

    Yes, or no?

    If you do not mention all the people, places and countries that you do not want harm to come to, are you, by deliberate exclusion, wanting harm to come those you do not mention?

    Yes, or no?

    Don’t hide behind semantics.

    It is entirely too easy to call people names and be dismissive, but is it that difficult to respond with a simple ‘yes’ or, ‘no’? Anything else is a cop out.

    Come on tree barkie, don’t tell me the moss growing on you is keeping your mouth shut.

    Oh, wait a minute, maybe you have been harvested and have wait 5 to 7 years to grow a pair?

  49. #744367
    On July 13th, 2009 at 8:54 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, corkie said: #47

    Your words, cut and pasted -

    No it’s not.

    Are you feakin kidding me?

    I actually cut and pasted your words, and then you actually cut and pasted your words, and it is the same freakin’ thing.

    Please Corkie. Please, I am begging you, don’t comment on my posts.

  50. #744386
    On July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 pm, corkie said:

    On July 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm, zyzzyg said:

    As I have explained, the use of the words that cause you such distress is a colloquialism.

    I’m willing to accept the fact that you didn’t mean exactly what you typed in your first comment. No problem. But don’t try salvaging your credibility by asking me stupid questions which aren’t analogous to your poor word choice.

    There is no such thing as a stupid question.

    There most certainly is. And that’s a stupid statement.

    On July 13th, 2009 at 8:54 pm, zyzzyg said:

    I know it’s late, but do try to keep up. My “No it’s not” wasn’t a denial of my words. I was refuting your point.

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