Roll call vote on Census director: ACORN applauds
Here is yesterday’s Senate roll call vote on Robert M. Groves, of Michigan, to be Director of the Census:
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Here’s all you need to know. ACORN approves:
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From little acorns, crooked oaks grow…
To any question beyond the proper census questions…
JUST SAY NO! HELL NO!
GET OFF MY LAWN…!!!
Not only is the fox guarding the hen house but we just issued him a gun, barbaque sauce, a full place setting, cooking tools, and a full sized oven.
as long as the oven remains in a very small kitchen….
Who needs a census when ACORN will just make up phony residents. Expect minority counts to go Waaaaaaaaay up.
What a sad state of affairs. Too bad we don’t have a bunch of squirrels to collect these little acorns and put them in the nut house.I see the usual RINOs did their thing again.
The only section of the census we are completing is how many live in our household.
Misscheryl,
Ditto.
L
It is absolutely stunning to find the lenghts of reach into all facets of the government that this one organization has. Regardless of other arguements, it is clear that this group has far more influence than the number of individuals involved in it deserve in any honest government.
Acorn is a joke but I’m afraid the joke is on us.
Can we write in “None of your darn business!” as the answer to questions on the Census long form. I really have no desire to let anyone, especially a transient census worker, know what’s in my house, when I leave, when I come home, or anything pretty much beyond the “X of us live here, Y of us are of voting age.)
It’s like filling out a form for a lazy thief who doesn’t even have the motivation to case his targets for himself.
These R Senators need to listen to that song from MASH–Suicide is Painless.
Hit back damn it! And on my census form I am claiming 14 persons living in this Republican district household.
Actually, Savage24 – I’m shocked to see that the “yea” Republicans go much deeper than just the RINOs. Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma? That’s a shocker!
Any idea what he fine is for failing to complete the form?
I figure if it’s not too much, I’d rather just pay the fine instead of disclosing info that is none of their business.
The plan is X people live here, get off my porch before I turn the dogs loose (not that a couple of yellow labs will do much damage, but they do bark loud).
I thought the same thing. But I’m not assuming anything, I’d rather get an explanation from him.
“We just got a job. We’re working for the census.” “You mean Will Hays?”
- Moe and Curly (NO CENSUS, NO FEELING, 1940)
“Good morning, sir. I’m the census taker. Are you married or happy?”
- Moe (NO CENSUS, NO FEELING, 1940)
On the census form, I plan to use a one answer fits all strategy: It varies.
What time do you leave for work?
It varies.
How many family members live in your household?
It varies.
How many functioning toilets do you have?
It varies.
Southpaw – that’s an excellent idea!
Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?
Southpaw: It varies
WHat’s your ethnicity?
Southpaw: It varies
Actually Southpaw, I could use NDB (nonya damn business) on all the questions.
Drive them crazy trying to figure out what it means.
Where were you born?
SouthpawObama: It variesWho’s your Daddy?
Obama: It varies
are you married, it varies.
Are you a citizen?
SouthpawObama: It variesThe fine for not answering can be up to $5000/question. Having said that, no one has been fined since 1960 for failing to answer the census. This year’s census will be the short form for all, since the American Community Survey has taken over for the former long form. So during the census year some residences will receive both the ACS and the 2010 census. Questions on the short form will be about country of origin, race, age, gender, relationship of persons in the residence and whether the residence is owned or a rental. I will not be answering the non-enumeration questions on the 2010. Already had the ACS and didn’t answer any of the questions and didn’t get fined.
Better check your local zoning laws, you could be in violation and “could” be reported.
The locale down from me enacted laws limiting the number of “occupants”.
Who knows if acorn will get a percentage of any “fines” that are levied.
It is a damn shame that the census has become such a political tool. I am reconsidering term limits.
I am only answering the question about the number of occupants just like Michelle Bachman. We need to ban together. They can’t go after all of us and at this point who cares. None of us will have any money left with BHO even if we are fined. If they put us in jail we will at least have a roof over our head and food. I will only answer if the post office does the census.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_acorn_providing_workers_for_the_2010.html
Whether it’s ACORN, a random group of people the government hired, vetted and sworn in officers of the country, or GodBama himself asking the questions or having access to the answers, it’s none of their business when I come and go, what’s in my house, or if I’m boxers or briefs. They can know how many people for purposes of apportioning representatives and that’s it.
I think it is appropriate to ask your race, age and occupation also. As a genealogist, I have found that information very valuable in finding lost relatives, etc. Those questions have always been asked and I see nothing wrong in answering them. But, what time you leave for work in the morning and how many miles you drive is none of their business!
Now, if they ask whether you lock your doors or if you leave any windows unlocked, I might get just a tad suspicious. Most morons out there would answer that question without blinking. Seriously, we have a very dumbed-down population.
I disagree. Information such as this can be used to carve up voting districts based on such biases, putting into or leaving in power those who are adept at manipulating such statistics. Voting should be based on pure numbers, not on the arbitrary drawing of boundaries based on race, age and/or income.
Moe: “Where were you born?”
Curly: “Lake Winnepesaukee.”
Moe: “How do you spell that?”
Curly: “W-O-N, woof, aw, make it Lake Erie, I’ve got an uncle there.”
The information isn’t just for voting purposes. They use it for other demographics like areas of aging population, etc. I know those questions have always been in the census, so what is different now? It’s not like they just added them under this administration. I guess I am looking at it from a genealogist point of view and the value in researching for data on your family. It would be a shame to cut off that great source of information. There were gaps in my quest to connect to William Brewster of the Mayflower and it was only by a census that I connected one of the lines and was able to confirm it. At least we should answer about age and occupation. What would it hurt?
Many of the questions have not been on there before. This administration is combining the census and ACS(American Community Survey) in all one survey. They can’t do that this is the 10 year census and should only be used for that reason to enumerate. All of the other questions from the ACS are illegal and invasive. This was created in 2005 and given out once a year. But, they screwed up they conceived and designed it under Title 13 USC 221 but, then made a new law Title 18 so as to charge up to 5000 fine. That is illegal…….and that is where the 5000 fine is coming from. Title 13 USC 221 Chap 7 is only 100 for not answering and 500 for false info!
http://www.censusrights.com
a “preliminary” worker for the census showed up on my doorstep last week to enter a point in their handheld GPS unit so they could find the house when it’s time to fill out the forms…had to get out of their car to open the gates and drive past “NO TRESSPASSING” signs to do it…
Outside of distributing the various Congresscritters between the states, the Census should be made irrelevant by electing Congresscritters at large within each state.
* NO MORE GERRYMANDERING. Modern communication technology makes the notion of ‘districts’ largely irrelevant.
* NO MORE SAFE SEATS. Electing Congresscritters at large would cause every Congresscritter to aggressively campaign for their job.
* More ISSUE DEBATE means better informed public — A wide spread debate of the issues and Congressional behavior would be good for the national sole. Currently, there’s very little debate of issues in safe districts. Folks just go with the flow, whether con or pro.
* Minority parties might get some positions by sticking together to support a state wide candidate of their choice and persuasion. Currently, they are locked out of the political debate by Gerrymandered districts that favor the two party system.
What time do you leave?
-Boxers.
Where were you born?
-Briefs
others…
-It varies.
I’m getting the hang of this.
I definitely like the “it varies” answer for a lot of the questions. Just vague enough to not answer the question, but could be the truth.
are you employed varies
how can that vary? i’m employed, but i’m waiting for my bubble up better job in the gubmint with a 200k pension. obama promised a bubble up economy, instead of a trickle down economy, so i’m waiting for the bankrupt gubmint to hire me.
I guess it really does not matter who is voted into the position, the census czar will be in control anyway.
I thought GubMint was a flavor of Bubble Up Gum…
I don’t approve of them asking any questions beyond enumeration. I don’t care if other groups benefit from the info. The gov should NOT be collecting it. I am offended by the race question. I’m an American. I thought we were post racial with the election of BHO.
That was the Community Organizer’s trade name for his nose candy-trade marked in Chicago, Hawaii, Kenya and Indonesia. It is available from Typical White Person Distribution Chicago, Illinois.
A sample of the questions are on
http://www.censusrights.com
just click the links on the page.
The census website has the questions for the 2010 census.
I plan on taking the Fifth Amendment on all questions.
Flyoverman: I’ll take a fifth of anything that will help kill the pain caused by our current Administration!
What a fine display of crotchety crabbiness. I’m gonna refuse to fill in the census form to sabotage the govment. Well, I’m gonna go Galt and refuse to signal when I turn my car.
You dummies should know that the Republican party, which works mainly for rich people, is using you as pawns. They want an inaccurate census because rich Republicans are easier to count than people who have to move a lot to find work.
They don’t want an accurate census, and they sell you the idea that an accurate census is bad.
Nail, what a great idea. I’ll by the first round.
Lgm,
Go away or do I have to post the supressed EPA report Executive Overview for the third time and ask you to refute its contents?
That’s like showing a cross to a vampire. You see that and POOOOOOF you are gone. Hard data can be exasperating.
Why has it taken 230 odd years for this level of outrage over the census?
OK, maybe the extensive questionnaire is at issue, but the questionnaire has been fairly extensive since the post WWII period.
What has changed since the last census was taken? BTW, the questionnaire was fairly extensive then, too.
The GOP is utterly unreliable.
…and guess who also voted for the ACORN Rep. to run the Census? Senator Gregg!
Didn’t Gregg just b$tch over Obama’s attempt to place the Census outside of the Dept. of Commerce and inside the White House and for that reason reject his appointment to be commerce secretary? …and he still votes for the Man from ACORN?
zyzzyg,
Good question. The difference is that the data has been taken away from the Bureau of the Census and by Executive Order controlled by the White House.
SO….. instead of career Federal Employees, Census Data will be “analyzed” by political appointees and hacks, then disseminated. Any risk of them cooking the data for their own purposes and sharing it with their political allies?
Information is power. Do you want that power in the hands of any political group? I do not and would oppose any White House that did this.
You mean Bill Gates and Family-democrats all- aren’t Billionaires, LGM?
You are the dummy.
During the last census, the Clinton Administration raised a ruckus when the Census form they wanted sent out asked how many guns were in the house…
Flyoverman said (#53):
I remember that document. It’s stretching the truth to call it an “EPA report”. It was written by an EPA employee on his own without the request or approval of his boss or anyone else at the EPA. The author is not an expert on the subject matter of the report (he’s an economist, not a climate scientist).
The report, in the opinion of his boss, relies too much on data that have not been peer reviewed. There’s a big difference between basic scientific quality control (what the EPA did) and suppression.
Flyoverman: I’ll buy the second round!
After that we can flip lgm to see who buys subsequent rounds. If he lands on his head, I buy, if he lands on his tail, you buy!
lgm: And Al Gore (who flunked out of divinity school) gets all the headlines as the Great Messenger of Doom. Nobody authorized him to do anything either, but he has been anointed by you and your ilk and we have to live with the consequences.
Thanks, though I was unaware that that decision was formalized.
Yep, and that is certainly a concern.
Once the data is compiled, then everyone will have the information. However, as you suggested, and I agree, it is the compilation, and who is doing so, that is troubling.
OK, that was the last census, my question was about this census. Flyoverman offers a better, logical and more reasonable answer in post #57.
It is a thing of beauuty when a great plan comes together.
zyzzyg,
I agree. And I thought Nixon and Clinton were slimy.
Zyzzyg, I was addressing a long-term and insidious trend with Census taking and Census data with a point of consideration that seems to be a trend with Democrtatic Admins beginning from the Clinton Administration forward:
The Democrats, when in control of the whitehouse, have been using the census either to ask invasive questions (e.g. questions along the lines of “how many guns are in your residence?”) during the time the Clinton Administration was engaged in a protracted attempt to seriously destroy the second amendment rights of Americans elsewise -e.g. The Brady Act and the Assault Weapon Ban of 1993-94, or to get people to purposely and fraudulently jigger Census data to support a left-wing point of view on policy issues (e.g ACORN in the present time). I thought you were aware of this
A proper government census should only ask how many people are in your house so as to accurately determine appropriate representation in the House of Representatives. Anything beyond that inivites the use of otherwise private information for the potential purpose of government coersion of specific and various groups of people against their constitutional rights and any religious/political beliefs they may hold.
Ummm, OK, but that is a tangent I that I wasn’t expecting.
Why would you think I was aware of this? Or, anything? No matter, the questions are of curiousity, and mostly rhetorical.
Constitutionaly you are correct. A proper census should only count people. Although, I must admit that in researching a paper in college I found the data useful.
Ok, I misread you Zyzzyg. Sorry.
I put this together to show WHY you should only minimum data to census folks:
Why to only give MINIMAL, LEGALLY REQUIRED data to Census Takers
love2rumba said:
Bush did not drop the Microsoft antitrust lawsuit because Gates was a Democrat.
LGM, I’m not thinking of that as much as I am who they vote for and what they support with their money.
BTW- I don’t recall any evidence that would have compelled Bush or anyone to have dropped the Microsoft v.Sun Microsystems(?) anti-trust lawsuit early-on. If you’ve got stuff with references, I’m open to suggestion.
No worries. Thanks.