Obamacare in the House: Do the Blue Dogs have any bite?
“Centrist” Democrats in the House say they oppose the government health care takeover plans of their leaders and their president.
They’re barking loudly, demanding major amendments to protect small businesses and taxpayers.
But do the Blue Dogs have any bite? Or will they be bought off like many of them were on cap-and-trade and Porkulus One?
The Hill reports:
Centrist Democrats are threatening to oppose their party’s healthcare legislation unless House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) accepts changes that make the bill more to their liking.
Seven Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have banded together to draft amendments that they’ll co-sponsor in the committee markup, which starts Thursday. Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the Blue Dogs’ point man on healthcare, says if those changes aren’t accepted, they’ll vote down the bill.
“We cannot support the current bill,” Ross said. “Last time I checked, it took seven Democrats to stop a bill in Energy and Commerce.”
Ross knows of three additional Democrats on the committee who won’t support the bill in its current form, creating a base of 10 Democratic opponents. The committee has 59 members: 23 Republicans and 36 Democrats.
Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said he’s aware of the centrists’ concerns and is prepared to make changes even before the committee starts voting.
“Can a bunch of members bring a bill down? Sure,” Waxman said. “What we need to do is work together to pass a bill.”
Translation: Twist arms, cut deals, and buy off.
Looks like some of the Blue Dogs are growing tired of getting kicked around, not being listened to, and having massive legislation crammed down their throats. Sounds like your average Tea Party activist!
Blue Dogs think the bill fails to do enough to reduce healthcare costs, jeopardizes jobs with a fee on employers that don’t provide health insurance, and would base a government-run healthcare plan on a Medicare payment system that already penalizes their rural districts.
One Blue Dog, Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-N.D.), told a home-state paper that he will vote against the plan in the Ways and Means Committee markup unless that Medicare payment system is changed.
Blue Dogs had aired their complaints last week in a letter to Pelosi that caused her to delay the rollout of the bill until Tuesday. But when the bill was introduced, they felt Pelosi and the committee chairmen who wrote the legislation hadn’t taken their concerns into account.
That led to a tense session between Pelosi and Blue Dogs at the group’s regular Tuesday meeting hours after the rollout.
“The meeting did not go well. She just kept saying it was a good bill,” said one Blue Dog.
“There is a growing perception among many of us that our leadership meets with us but doesn’t listen to us,” said another Blue Dog.
Your calls to members of Congress and your hometown protests can and have made a difference. Look:
Pelosi cut deal after deal with individual lawmakers to squeak the bill out of committee and to the floor. Then lawmakers flew home and had to battle criticism from voters at the same time Republicans were saying Democrats passed an “energy tax.”
“They went home and got beat up about energy,” said a senior aide to a Blue Dog lawmaker. “Now you’re going to jam healthcare down their throat and send them home for a month?”
Buck up the Blue Dogs with a phone call – Capitol switchboard is 202-224-3121:
Reps. John Barrow (D-Ga.)
Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.)
Baron Hill (D-Ind.)
Jim Matheson (D-Utah)
Charlie Melancon (D-La.)
Mike Ross (D-Ark.)
Zack Space (D-Ohio)
Here’s a rundown of the crammed legislative schedule over the next week:
*Votes planned Thursday by the Education and Labor and Ways and Means committees;
*Energy and Commerce also considering the health care bill on Thursday;
*On the Senate site, Obama wants legislation from the Senate Finance Committee by the end of the week.
Via AP: “Finance Committee members are considering a new proposal from Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., that would raise $100 billion over 10 years by imposing new fees on health insurance companies.”
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If 8 Republicans can be bought off on cap-and-trade, How hard will it be to buy off a few democrats? Those the czar of pork can’t persuade will get an offer to have the President personally campaign for them. And if that doesn’t work, then the czar of arm-twisting takes over…
I think the politicians and most of the citizens of the USA have been so intimated by Obama and the rest of the Chicago thugs that surround him that he can get anything he wants.
And he can do it without ever proving he is legal to even be president.
To repeat an often used but true statement:
WE’RE SCREWED!!
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! You’re a winner! What the hell have we been saying since Obama took office, and even before then? Getting a taste of their own medicine isn’t pleasant, I see. Of course, it’s a pipe dream to think they’ll connect that experience to what the average tax-payer thinks of their rep in Congress.
Government run healthcare will save us all. Well actually all who don’t fit the Buzzy criteria of undesirable … you get that undesirable stamp on your forehead and it’s into the abort bin for you.
Now granny and grandpa need to worry if their net worth to society is more than the cost of the cure — just made it last go. If you survive the maze, you get to wait your turn, so you can get a ticket, for the waiting line for the doctor. By then, if you are not already expired goods, you might get to see the doctor who will then give you two aspirin and say “your time is up”.
Tell me, how did Americans get so screwed up in the head that they look to government’s eugenics healthcare for the answers?
Of course people like the fossils Nancy Pelosi and Frankenstein, well they have a special line.
It does not matter whether the Bluedogs whimper about getting their amendments added to this takeover of health-care. They are still in favor of some kind of universal health-care plan. So what if it is a “toned down” version, it is still national health-care. Once they get even the most “gentle” version of national health-care in place, the collectivists will quickly build it up to the plan they really want.
All they are doing in D.C. now is quibbling about the details. The entire concept of universal health-care needs to be destroyed.
I said this yesterday. If I was in charge of the insurance companies, and the government decided they wanted to offer a government plan to ‘compete’, I’d take a page right out of Obama’s favorite group. . . the Union.
As soon as they passed the government health care plan, I’d go on strike. I would cancel all policies, pay no claims and force everyone on the government plan.
That would bankrupt all hospitals and doctors offices. It would also bankrupt the country. Hey, if a little is good, then a lot is great, right?
Currently, this country spends about 2.5 Trillion dollars a year on health care. If the government controlled all of it, that cost would at least double to 5T a year. They might say they will ‘pay for it’ one way or another. But there is not enough money available for them to tax to provide a 5T A YEAR government program. . . that’s what Obama wants. If I was in charge of insurance companies, that’s what he’d get.
It is amazing that they have the nerve to say that if a government plan passes, people will get to ‘keep what they have’.
Most people get what their employer gives them. If their employer doesn’t want to pay for it anymore, then they don’t get to ‘keep what they have’.
The entire arguments that they are using are ridiculously disingenuous. There are legitimate changes that can be made. The government becoming the largest health insurance company is not one of them. The FEDERAL government no less.
Where is the provision for the federal government to provide this service in the Constitution? The government has neither the ability nor the authority to do this.
a)It doesn’t cost anything-the Government pays for it.
b)We are a rich country-we can afford it
c)Welfare will lift spirits and cause people to lift themselves
d) You deserve it
And the list goes on. It is a soul sickness every bit as dangerous gangrene-cut out the infection or you die.Socialized Healthcare will be the biggest power grab of our lifetime-at least to date.
Submit or die. Opaits are cheaper than most medicines when developed on an industrial scale. But then long term use of opaits can be one terrible way to die itself. But “preventative measures” will be the snare around our necks. Guns, incorrect views, independent lives COST THE HEALTHCARE MINISTRY too much-Submit or die.
In solidarity with our British cousins’ Healthcare system I propose NO BRUSHING OF TEETH for 30 days.
Just say nay, doggies. Also, a unanimous nay from Republicans sure would be swell for once.
Schumer’s proposal to get $100 billion out of insurance companies emits that socialistic aroma of which we’re becoming too familiar. $100 billion is a lot of money, even by Washington standards. I bet it’s a lot to the insurance companies, too. It’ll feel like even more if they have to compete from the state for clientele. That’s enough, Porky.
Obama and his radical administration do not care what anyone says…they have an agenda, and they will push forward no matter what. The agenda is to socialize our healthcare, destroy our economy, and gain more power through huge government. Anything less is unacceptable to them. Our only hope is to convince our representatives that we mean business. They will lose their jobs if they vote in favor of any of Obama/Pelosi garbage. The radical libs won’t listen to us, but there are enough in Congress who will. We need to call, write, march, whatever it takes. I’m thinking of making a big sign for the next tea party…a picture of a pitchfork. Not sure what I will say on it…any ideas? Or is a pitchfork too “violent” to use?
By the way, I heard the other day our tea parties referred to as “Anti-American protest rallies”. Anti-American??? This is really really serious, folks!
Don’t forget Heath Shuler (D-NC). Pretty conservative district outside of Asheville, NC.
Right you are! Obama, Pelosi, et al, want to radically change the USA into a collectivist “utopia”, with them in charge, of course.
Health-care, Cap & Trade, Taxes, etc., are just the tools they use.
These radicals are going down. More and more people are waking up to what is really going on. The war is on. They have been exposed to the light of day and even the MSM is starting to report some of it.
I’m starting to see a few real conservative, small government people step up and speak out. One who is particularly interesting to me is Liz Cheney. It is too bad she has that last name. I LOVE Dick Cheney, but a lot of people have gotten the wrong idea about him because of the smear tactics from the left. Liz Cheney is awesome!! Although I love Sarah Palin, she is so ridiculed, I’m not sure how effective she can be. Liz Cheney is extremely well spoken and right on the money in everything I have heard her say. She is the real deal.
We do not want national health care. Vote on this bill. Amendments don’t make a difference. Vote no on this bill. Leave health insurance private.
I meant “Vote no on this bill.”
Need to keep myself together here.
Blue Dog Democrats? More like “Yellow Puddle” Democrats.
They lose all self control when confronted by statist bribes.
Hypothetical question for Chap or anyone:
Considering what I know of this so called health Care Bill, a for example:
My wife has an illness that can be cured or at least treated.
The bureaucrat or bureaucrats in charge of making the determination wither or not the treatment is too costly determine that it is too costly and refuse to allow treatment for my wife. She dies because of this – can I bring Murder charges against these bureaucrats?
I will vote for Obamacare when the Senators and Representatives are enrolled in the Obamacare plan. If they want to vote in any plan that effects the citizens of the United States, then they should be apart of it.
If it happened to me, I would try!!
You would have better luck suing the doctors because last I heard, there is no tort reform in this bill and the docs will have to keep liability insurance which with decresing income due to price controls and increasing costs due to taxes (they are usualy the evil rich), will force them out of business anyway. SSSSOOO I wonder if obamacare covers witch doctors???
Challenge the State in the State’s Volks Court? Still trying to live a Private Life Citizen stillontheroad? Private Lives as with Private Property are not conducive to the collective Citizen stillontheroad.
Broken eggs, omlets Citizen stillontheroad. Your complaint has been noted by the State Security Services-we will be watching Citizen stillontheroad.
America, you will be missed.
BTW yesterday my employer said if obamacare is what they think it is, they will drop our health benefits.
go obama. yay.
Not that it matters to me since I am deploying in less than 90 days but still…
Sonofdy – I think that same decision is being made millions of times all over the country.
happyscrapper said:
sonofdy said:
ArizonaNeanderthal said:
I bring this up because not too long ago we just sat down and watched Soylent Green and watching the most poignant moment in the film when Edward G goes to the Sleep Center to suicide out, we just looked at each other and remembered when we first saw it, we were horrified and freaked out and now we are just sad that it has really come to this. We talked about it and just wondered what we could do to fight back.
Everything you can and promise each other you WILL NOT go quietly into the Long Night. We MAY have one more free election depending on just how successful this sobs are. If not then other means must be considered.
You are the heirs to the Sons of Liberty and I don’t give a hoot when your family came here Pilgrim.
“…a growing perception…”??? What the hades is wrong with these people? Dementia praecox??
They better hope not–I doubt they’ll get the medication needed to combat that.
Logan’s Run – “Carousel”
Soylent Green – “Sleep Center”
Obamacare – “Ice Floe Cruise” (Gorebal warming is a myth)
I just saw my doctor last week. The nurse and I were talking and she told me if this bill passes, the doctor’s office is finished. And after seeing that board game for the maze of different offices you have to go through just to get to a doctor’s office, I can why he would have to close.
Flowers for Algernon.
Headlines in todays “desert sun” the local goofy paper in the Palm Springs area said. “Bono won’t back Odopeycare”
you can thank me (lol) for the scathing e-mail I sent her after “cap and con”
I have a 71 year old friend who voted for Obamessiah. His wife also is a rabid folloew of The One. He has horrible back problems and is having major back surgery next week.
I have been slapping myself to keep from asking why he doesn’t just take pain medicine and wait for ObamaCare to kick in.
Well said, Arizona!!
Never give in. Never give up. Fax, write, call, email.
I’ve got a list of fourteen Reps. that I slammed via email and fax yesterday…I’m not limited to just mine.
Pelosi can promise they’ll keep their committee assignments, but she can’t promise they’ll keep their jobs.
In today’s D.C. missive, my topic is this little bit on page sixteen of the bill where private insurance is rendered illegal.
Sometimes I have to just sit back in amazement at what is going on in this country. How can the electorate possibly be this stupid? Don’t they see their freedom disappearing before their eyes? Don’t they see the impossible debt being accumulated by the government? Don’t they see Obama, Pelosi and others chenging the essence of this once great nation? I picture cattle being led to slaughter, mindlessly following the chute to oblivion.
I am telling you, it does get a bit depressing.
aj–lol
upon first cursory glance, I assumed you were writing about the stubby Irish singer, instead of Sonny’s widow.
Blue Dog Democrats and traitor Republicans in Nancy’s office, Nancy says, so you don’t want to vote for our health care plan? Well, have you met my dear, close, personal friend George?
Along with the entire private medical insurance industry. Including me. I work as a software support programmer supporting medical claims to insurance companies. This bill esentualy destroys one of the last sectors of the us economy that is doing really well.
jjmurphy: A majority of americans don’t care right now. But they are getting there. In history, the population usualy understands they lost thier freedom waaayyy too late.
Age is no hindrance to stupidity. The man probably hurt his back when the leftist in front of him made a sudden stop while he had his nose up where leftist put their noses while following their leaders.
Is this 71 year old friend one of Jeremiah Wright’s Blue Eyed Devils?
Sonny wouldn’t like her anymore Spaceycakes.
Judging by some polls and demonstrations lately I think yes, a fair number of people are beginning to wake up. Let’s hope it continues.
Thank you happyscrapper .
What is even more depressing is watching some of the night talk shows where they have an audience. Every time a comment is made about Obama, there is clapping and cheering. When the crap and raid bill is mentioned…more clapping and cheering. Universal healthcare…Yayyyy!!!! The audiences are clueless. They still think everything happening in DC is fantastic. As long as the dems are in power, it is all good. Morons, all of them. They are being robbed blind and they don’t even know it.
Are you seriously telling me there are some congress criminals that actually know what’s in a bill BEFORE the vote? That’s just too tall a tale there, Pinocchio.
mr spaceycakes & I visited Palm Springs several times when Sonny was mayor. What a lovely place; we still have friends that live there.
Mr spaceyc. went there on business last October, and he said it was so dirty that he almost fainted.
We can’t even trust the Republicans to vote against this garbage, how can we expect better from Democrats?
Barking loudly about making changes to it, but not blocking it.
This disaster known as Obmacare is going to be pushed through no matter what. RINO’s will be RINO’s and vote for it. The barking blue dogs will be given a treat and they’ll roll over for belly rubs.
Face it, if Obama comes up with a socialist plan to wreck America, congress is there to pass it through and add what ever they can to it, and IT WILL GO THROUGH. All this “arguing” by the idiots in DC is just a facade to fool the people into thinking they are actually working.
Obamacare will be in by August. Cap & Trade is in too.
When was the last time Congress killed a massive bill like this? There’s *always* been last minute vote changes and traitors to the conservatives.
It is a well oiled machine, and it has most people fooled into believing that it is still interested in the will of the people.
The one positive about Obamacare is that, if implemented, it will be such a confused, convoluted, unmanageable mess, it will create a perfect environment to establish a health care black market.
As one lady from Romania said, in her country they had Obamacare’s equivalent, and the main thing it did was turn everyone into a criminal.
As sonofdy said, they see it clearly after it’s too late.
But what you have here are large segments of the population that simply see Obama as the guy who is going to get them free stuff. Sure, there are eco-zealots that have delusions about the global warming scam, but I believe that vast majority just want their handout. They don’t or can’t see farther than that.
Kind of like a drug addict, would you say?
Ha! musta been after the “white party”
lmao
and with a gay mayor you would think it would be neat and clean.
All you have to do is read history. Its all been done before. Thats probably why they don’t teach it anymore.
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I tried e-mailing the BLUE (REALLY) DOGS democrats. Most of their sites throw out any out ofstate or out of district inputs–they only care about those that can elect or depose them.
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The 2010 vote is probably the only way to sock it to them. They feel that they are pretty well “insulated” from the rest of the country. Hope for a lightning bolt to cut through their insulation.
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My apologies to the real 4 legged dogs. They serve us a lot better than the “blue dogs” do. The BD’s are getting ready to “lift their legs” on us as soon as their payoffs are big enough.
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John Bibb
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as a small business owner and payer of health insurance to an aging and ill group of people, by cancelling my healthcare plan and paying the 8% tax on payroll would save me between 12k and 19k depending on how the gubmint counts payroll (401 included or not). hmmm, what to do, what to do?
BTW massachusetts mandatory health insurance plan which obamacare is modeled from is being sued by the hospitals and not covering it’s costs. hmmmm, what to do, what to do?
I hear about these Blue Dog Dems being elected because they ran like Republicans in Republican districts per Rahm Emanuals strategy. What I don’t see is how they are any different from the Pelosi Democrats.
There is not much of an internal power struggle within the Democrat party. They all toe the Pelosi line. Now they are supposedly barking?
I don’t believe it. They seem like shysters to me. They lie to constituents to get elected and then vote like Pelosi. Are they liars or are they threatened/intimidated by the Pelosi power machine? Once a liar, always a liar.
Rep. Fleming has asked all house members whether or not they’d dump their cushy health care for their version for us…so far not one dimocrap has offered up to sign on to what they want us to…
http://fleming.house.gov/
be aware the site is getting hammered since he announced this issue on Fox and Friends this morning….
ArizonaNeanderthal said:
I am a “I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees” type person so I am right there with ya.
Blue
DogDemocratsDonkey Socialists.Michelle–
I appreciate all the work you are doing here. Most people who care very much about the decision being made in Washington aren’t able to make much of a difference beyond making phone calls to seemingly indifferent representatives because we have families and careers. Please keep fighting, please continue to tell us what we can do to fight for our freedom.
I’m very scared for the future of this country. I’m scared for my daughter’s future. Please keep fighting for us.
From MM’s linked article at softgreenglow.com
He’s got a point.
It’s a Government Controlled Health Care Plan.
Yep, that they are. He has had back problems for decades and many surgeries courtesy of Medicare.
*PSRK now goes off to froth at the mouth trying to keep from typing sarcastic, mean stuff about how DEAD said friend would be if Obama/HillaryCare had been in effect the past 16 years*
Any company which had to eliminate jobs may have to change health plans. Reducing the number of people in the pool affects the cost and amount of health care in the plan. I’m now looking at paying the same amount for a plan I don’t want because it’s not the plan I currently have and it offers less. A gov plan means more money funding the funeral industry.
Question for you all. I live in Matheson’s district (UT)– I always e-mail him but is it better to phone/fax him? What works best? He has been pretty responsive thus far to my e-mails.
Reply re: why they are elected?–dorky republican party keeps putting up “good ol boys” and then gerrymandered all of the liberal area of the state into our conservative rural area. We want people like Sarah-not good ol boys–when the options aren’t great the libs in salt lake city get out more votes. The top republican leaders need to wake up!!
The Democrat in my district (Tim Holden) counts himself a Blue Dog but doesn’t always vote as such. I’ll be watching him carefully if this communist bill comes to the full House.
I practice medicine. I have fixed costs of 50% for overhead. Of the 50% that is left the government takes over 50% in taxes so I am left working for less than 25% of what I earn. Tell me how reducing the paltry amount I retain is incentive for me to continue to practice medicine?
We don’t need healthcare reform we need tort reform.
These cramdowns are destroying the careers of many Congressmen who face elections every two years, particularly the new Blue Dogs who are hearing it from the voters who put them there because of their disgust with the phony Republican they replaced. There is no place to run anymore. They have to stand and deliver if they are going to live to fight another day.
Since the Boehner-led Republicans are forbidden from caucusing or cooperating with the Blue Dogs, conservative GOP congressmen have to either topple their leadership or defy it by uniting to win with the Blue Dogs.
The road to a GOP turnaround in 2010 leading to a 2012 presidential victory hinges on what happens THIS YEAR. The lame GOP plan of quietly acquiescing to the Dems as the silent partner (assistant Democrats) and hoping to win by default in 2012 is already dead. We need to break up the one-party system THIS YEAR.
The Blu donks vote like blu donks when Pigloser says they can, do not fool yourself into believing they would ever go out on limb and start cutting behind themselves. It’s their job their trying to keep to hell with what’s moral or right.
Azygos said:
Completely agree – Doctors cannot practice medicine, they have to CYA. Its like the ole saying goes” You can sue a Ham Sandwich with the right Lawyer”.
Azygos
My brother is an ED doc and hubby a PA. Tort reform is a HUGE issue with them also. Plus, my brother is always getting sued by whackos whose lawyers tell him its better to settle for a couple of thousand than go to court. My brother refuses to ruin his record so he has taken them to court everytime. They have been thrown out everytime but it still costs him a mint in fees. Its the lawyers who should be under reform!
My son in college is trying to get into medical school. We just shake our heads and think he’s crazy. The family docs in our county can barely make it with the money medicare and medicaid pay them. Obama is beyond whacko.
Ugh. I was just at John Barrow (D) GA’s website. He’s crowing about the Stimulus bill and all the wonderful taxpayer funded projects that are coming to his district. Aren’t Blue Dogs defined by fiscal conservatism?
What a farce.
If that were true, amnesty, gun control, cap and trade, and nationalized health care would be law already. These guys want to be re-elected and the leadership of BOTH parties are united in keeping conservatives divided and contained. Imagine if conservatives were to unite at these Tea Parties and find a leader. We would be the dominant party.
Follow up to my last post Exhaustion of the Obvious “Can You Pass A U.S. Civics Test” ? Most Americans who took the test failed.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/07/can-you-pass-us-civics-test.html
The Internet’s a helluva resource. And a good portion of the contact pages list local offices at the bottom.
So, does Obamacare and the Cap & trade qualify as either an abuse or usurpation?
Ideally, should be a requirement to be allowed the privilege to vote. You pass, you vote. You fail, go home, study, try again next election.
Alas, as it is now, the pols have what they want, a dumbed down electorate, many of whom are often too apathetic to care to vote except for their American Idol.
A ray of hope:
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200907151403dowjonesdjonline000758&title=centrist-dem-leaderhas-committee-votes-to-block-health-bill
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., a leader of fiscally conservative House Democrats, said Wednesday a House plan to overhaul the U.S. health-care system is losing support and will be stuck in committee without changes.
“Last time I checked, it takes seven Democrats to stop a bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee,” Ross told reporters after a House vote. “We had seven against it last Friday; we have 10 today.”
38 of 49 “Blue Dogs” voted FOR Porkulus.
Loretta Sanchez is a “Blue Dog”.
The Dems have enough votes they don’t need them anyway.
There might be a couple of remnant moderate Dems left in the “Blue Dog Caucus”, but most are just closet Marxists, who unlike Nancy Pelosi or Conyers or Rangel have to face center-left to center-right constituents every two years.
And I suspect the Demonratic whips let them know what votes they can defect on.
In the old Soviet Union, most doctors were women.
Because a doctor made about the same salary as a plumber or tradesman.
Why would a man spend 8 years in school and a couple more in residency when he get work as a journeyman apprentice for a year or two and make the same money?
Right now, Canada’s socialized health system and the British NHS have to pay doctors fairly well, or they’d leave for the US. They may make less than American doctors, but not so much they’d emigrate.
When the US goes Obamacare, to cut costs, you can bet doctor’s pay will be cut. UK and Canadian doctors may see their pay cut as well.
Some doctors may set up clinics in Tijuana and across the river from Texas, but Mexican border towns aren’t exactly garden spots anymore.
Page 16 of the bill.- see IBD- private insurers can sign no new customers after January 1st of the year Obamacare starts. If your employers dumps your coverage, or you change jobs, that is all she wrote- Obama care
Pelosi will let her blue dogs vote no since, just like the Crap & Tax 8, she can probably find enough RINOs to vote with her. The blue dogs can go home, face their constituents and keep their cushy jobs secure in the fact that they will never have to endure the healthcare nightmare they are about to unleash on the American sheeple.
Yeah, it’s all hopeless. We’re screwed no matter what we do. Time to go back to the old stand-by: hold and vote for Republicans no matter what.
Give me a break. Too many defeatist Republicans on this thread.
hawkeye54,
I agree about civics, someone should have an inkling about how their government governs them – in order to vote.
The dumbing down might actually turn out to hurt the Progressives. They had a low turn out for that ABC infomercial on Health Care. The thing they don’t get is, that when you dumb down the populace, and use sensation and sexy tow sway them. When they try to sell them Socialized Health Care or Cap N Tax, they are neither, they are not interested they won’t turn out and support those causes….Your example American Idol, that excites their base…health care and cap and trade not so much so their base is absent. The rest of us on the other hand are paying attention and can’t wait for the 2010 elections