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1. #201
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, zeroangel said:

   BTW, I am going to start mocking you guys pretty fiercely soon. This isn’t dinosaur worthy, but it’s certainly up there with JFK and UFOs.

   …fair warning…

   …Global warning…

   …X-files music resumes…

2. #202
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, WarEagle82 said:

   Why, yes, Chappy, he did. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

   http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-Birth-Certificate-long-and-short-form-Colon-Panama-1936

   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, chapoutier said:

   Remember, McCain was challenged on this very matter!

   Did McCain release his?

3. #203
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, zeroangel said:

   Dexter:

   So, I’m game for $100, what do you say? Want to work out the terms? I already made $20 in the office over this ridiculous thing. Someone bet me Obama wouldn’t make it through the elections over this.

   …so…how about it?

4. #204
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, WarEagle82 said:

   Oh, dear! 0A is going to “mock us fiercely” any time now! Whatever shall we do?

5. #205
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, Ragspierre said:

   In a poll conducted before House Democrats unveiled their current version of a reform plan, 49% of voters opposed the health care reform plan being developed while 46% favored it.

   Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Republicans and 62% of voters not affiliated with either major party say health care reform is Very Likely that to raise middle class taxes. Only 37% of Democratic voters agree.

   Seventy-eight percent (78%) of Democrats like the idea of taxing wealthier Americans to help fund health care reform. Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republicans and 62% of unaffiliated voters are opposed.

   Rasmussen

   The Demoncrats are swimming against the current. They need to loose. Let’s help.

6. #206
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, zeroangel said:

   Dexter:

   We can make a gentleman’s bet too. That’s kewl. Probably better too cause I might be skating dangerously close to violating the TOU.

7. #207
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

   BTW If you are born overseas to a TWO US citizen(s), you are STILL considered a natural born us citizen, just like McCain was.

   McCain was born in Panama while his father was stationed in the canal zone. BOTH his parents were citizens. The courts didn’t settle his Natural Born status; Congress declared him so.

   Funny that Congress has done no such thing for BHO.

8. #208
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, mattymatt10 said:

   On July 16th, 2009 at 1:20 pm, Ragspierre said:
   Here’s a little thought:

   Congress has no right to try to control my body.

   Health care should be safe, affordable, and the need for it rare.

   But if I want to exercise my freedom to be treated by a health-care provider of my choice, I should not be forced into a back ally to find it.

   Beat me to it. Awesome quote. I’m totally pro-choice on health care and light bulbs.

   Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter if private health care will still be available. Providing health care for strangers is not my responsibility, nor does anyone have a “right” to force me to pay for their medicine.

   I take care of myself on a modest income, why can’t other people take care of themselves?

9. #209
   On July 16th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, zeroangel said:

   WE82:

   Whatever shall we do?

   Heh.

10. #210
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, sonofdy said:

    Okay so lets say he was born in Keyna or where-ever. He is still a natural born citizen because his mother was, unless she revoked her own citizenship.

    

11. #211
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Providing health care for strangers is not my responsibility, nor does anyone have a “right” to force me to pay for their medicine.

    This is what happens when voters outnumber taxpayers.

12. #212
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Haven’t checked all of MM’s threads about health care but has anybody seen on drudge the craigslist job posting/link titled:

    HIRING! ‘Grassroots’ work to promote Obama’s healthcare pays $11-16 per hour…

    It’s in upper left hand column. Clicked on it and the posting been taken down…just wondering..is it real or is it Memorex

13. #213
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter if private health care will still be available.

    I hope, if this tyranny is passed, there will be a vigorous black-market underground health-care system.

    I will PERSONALLY support it, and I’ll defend anyone who uses it.

    Resistance is our duty.

14. #214
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, bigterpfan said:

    Providing health care for strangers is not my responsibility, nor does anyone have a “right” to force me to pay for their medicine.

    I agree with this sentiment. In fact, why should I pay for police and fire services for strangers, too? I can afford my own private security and fire protection.

15. #215
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    He is still a natural born citizen because his mother was

    Please, look up the facts. THere is a difference between a citizen at birth, and a Natural Born Citizen. The term was defined in the mid-18th century by a British legal scholar in books referenced by the Founders. It is defined as a person born in the country, and BOTH parents are citizens.

    Obama already admits he had, at least, dual citizenship as his father was a British subject and citizenship passed to his children through him. Do you really think it was the intent of the Founders to allow someone with dual British/American citizenship to become president?

16. #216
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, sonofdy said:

    The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring “natural born” citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words “natural born” from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents “shall be considered as citizens of the United States

    Wikipedia.
    I know…

17. #217
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I agree with this sentiment. In fact, why should I pay for police and fire services for strangers, too?

    Asinine.

18. #218
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, sonofdy said:

    Fine… whatever good luck with that.

    Just so you know, he is never going to give up those records…

    Oh and I am a dual citizen as well.

    2 passports.

19. #219
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, bigterpfan said:

    Thanks for the constructive criticism. Please tell me why that is asinine?

20. #220
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, swede said:

    Okay. but I thought conservatives were all about enforcing existing laws, rather than making up new ones.

    Tort reform is hardly making up new laws, it is reforming ones that don’t work. But as others have posted, since our Congress and Dear Leader are attorneys, it ain’t gonna happen anyway.

    Perhaps my view is colored by some personal experiences that may not neccessarily reflect the norm, but still believe unreasonable malpractice awards (thus premiums) are a huge part of the medical cost problem. I know of two very competent physicians who were driven out of practice by the premiums.

21. #221
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, sonofdy said:

    why should I pay for police and fire services for strangers, too? I can afford my own private security and fire protection.

    Because that is a government function dumbass. Has been for centuries.

22. #222
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    there will be a vigorous black-market underground health-care system.

    Black-market, sounds cool but how would that work? Payment, personnel, quacks v.s. legit/good…in the US??
    And do you think many parents would encourage their kids to become doctors/nurses for the underground (not to mention the gov’t). just askin…

23. #223
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    He is still a natural born citizen because his mother was

    Also, citizenship rules at the time say that if a child is born outside the US, citizenship depends on the status and AGE of the citizen parent at the time of birth. Stanley Ann Dunham was too young to pass citizenship to Barack if he was born outside the US.

24. #224
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, bigterpfan said:

    So something is a government function because it ALWAYS HAS BEEN? Oh. At one point it wasn’t.

25. #225
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pm, bigterpfan said:

    The question you probably want to ask yourself, is why it’s a governemnt function, rather than calling somebody a dumbass.

26. #226
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, spaceycakes said:

    sorry–posted this on the other thread by mistake…

    I heard the Poseur-in-chief say this morning that he didn’t mind paying a bit more for the program to help others get insured.

    Um, I’m pretty sure you didn’t ask anyone else what they felt there, Corkie.
    Or did you just ask lgm?
    I guarantee Jawn Kerry wouldn’t agree to part with any of his extra cash…how about the Kennedys & Shrivers? D’ya think?

    Cretins.

27. #227
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, zeroangel said:

    Actually, I don’t think bigterpfan’s point is asinine at all. I am not knowledgeable enough about this particular bill but I am for at least some kind of government involvement in health care. I am also all for defense contracting and private security firms.

    Pure, unadulterated libertarism is untenable, it’s basically anarchy and we all know that doesn’t work. Police and Firefighters involve savings lives and protecting people. There should be safety nets for people and the free-market shouldn’t have complete free reign. Keep in mind, I am not advocating more government health care (I am pretty sure we’ve got plenty already) I am just making this observation from a purely philosophical point of view.

    We now return you to our regularly scheduled conspiracy theory.

    …X-files theme plays on….

28. #228
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    We can make a gentleman’s bet too. That’s kewl. Probably better too cause I might be skating dangerously close to violating the TOU.

    You’re on.
    Now, figure out a way to get BHO to release his records.

29. #229
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, sonofdy said:

    http://www.realestate.co.nz/975431?min_land_area_sq_m=2000000

    Consevative colony in New Zealand on this land???

    hmmm????

30. #230
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Please tell me why that is asinine?

    Prediction: this will be a waste of time.

    Fire can destroy entire communities, including many lives and enormous wealth, and civil society.

    Unbridled criminal activity can destroy the very civil fabric of society.

    My personal health is my personal business. My life, wellness, or even death are all part of the deal. I will live and die, and civil society will not be threatened.

    What I eat…or don’t…is not the concern of the Federal government. It would have no business nationalizing groceries and agriculture.

31. #231
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pm, rightisright said:

    When is enough, enough?

32. #232
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm, sonofdy said:

    Fine, show me where in the constitution that health insurance is a right.

    If you act like a dumbass, I will call you on it.

33. #233
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pm, zeroangel said:

    Dexter:

    OK. I bet you that Obama will serve out this term without the birth certificate thing bringing him down. How’s that?

    The Major is still a coward.

34. #234
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, zeroangel said:

    Rags:

    My personal health is my personal business. My life, wellness, or even death are all part of the deal. I will live and die, and civil society will not be threatened.

    Well, what if you are talking about a serious commnunicable disease? You know, one that spreads like wildfire? *smile*.

35. #235
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, sonofdy said:

    The Major is still a coward.

    Coward? I don’t know, idiot, yes.

36. #236
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, zeroangel said:

    sonofdy:

    Hah. Fair enough.

37. #237
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:20 pm, sonofdy said:

    Well, what if you are talking about a serious commnunicable disease? You know, one that spreads like wildfire? *smile*.

    Marshal law. It becomes a national security issue.

    The sniffles? not so much.

38. #238
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, bigterpfan said:

    Where in the Constitution is fire protection a “right”. I don’t see police in there either. If you somehow do under the “provide for the common defense” wording, you’d no doubt be happy with a national police and fire department.

    In answer to Rags answer, poor health can destroy communities and civil societies as well.

    In lieu of answering my concerns, feel free to call me all the names you’d like to.

39. #239
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Well, what if you are talking about a serious commnunicable disease?

    Well, we are not talking about nationalized health-care, are we? We are talking about an emergency response to a pandemic, which is already provided for.

    Silly question.

40. #240
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    OK. I bet you that Obama will serve out this term without the birth certificate thing bringing him down. How’s that?

    So, you really don’t care if he is Constitutionally eligible for the office? I suspect his million $$$ lawyers and the courts will drag it out until he is well out of office.

    I bet he has something to hide in those records. I would prefer the issue is settled, one way or another, before he completes his term(s).

41. #241
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, zeroangel said:

    sonofdy:

    My only point is that I think there should be some small level of govt. involvement and some safety nets as per my previous post to that effect.

    I shy away from pure laissez-faire capitalism for obvious reasons.

42. #242
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Where in the Constitution is fire protection a “right”.

    It is a local or state issue.

    I don’t see police in there either. If you somehow do under the “provide for the common defense” wording, you’d no doubt be happy with a national police and fire department.

    See, I told you this was a waste of time.

    In answer to Rags answer, poor health can destroy communities and civil societies as well.

    But there is no such condition in the US, and never has been.

    This is too stupid to continue.

43. #243
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, zeroangel said:

    Rags:

    Slow your roll big guy. I just thought it was a bit premature to start calling someone’s point assinine.

44. #244
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I shy away from pure laissez-faire capitalism for obvious reasons.

    Like…???

45. #245
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pm, zeroangel said:

    Dexter:

    So, you really don’t care if he is Constitutionally eligible for the office?

    I thought I was clear: I think this is UFO worthy nonsense and I am willing to put up money over it as I said I have, and won.

46. #246
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm, spaceycakes said:

    It’s this type of thinking that led to the cancellation of Diet Coke with Lime!

    Devils!

47. #247
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, bigterpfan said:

    The point I’m attempting to make (perhaps poorly) is a fairly simple one. Police and fire care is a form of socialism. I believe that health care is as important to a communitie’s well-being as the other two. Dismissing government involvement with that all encompassing boogieman “socialism” does nothing to further the discussion as to whether health care should actually be considered a right.

48. #248
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, zeroangel said:

    Rags:

    Like…???

    I do think that it’s heartless. I do not like people leaching off or abusing the system at all, but I really think some very limited welfare programs or social works are appropriate.

    Pure capitalism leads to monopolies and eventual huge class disparities. Sure it’s a balancing act where the sweet spot is (and I lean to the right) but I don’t go the purist route.

49. #249
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, sonofdy said:

    My only point is that I think there should be some small level of govt. involvement and some safety nets as per my previous post to that effect.

    Which already exist. The answer isn’t to give the government complete control of the entire health industry in all respects like this does. Do you know how much money is spent each year on HIPAA complience alone??? How can any private insurance compete with government insurance without government money/control of those “private” insurances??? There would be NO WAY they could make a profit. Boom, there goes 1.5 million more people out of work right there.

50. #250
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, zeroangel said:

    Police and fire care is a form of socialism.

    Yes. Exactly. Bravo.

51. #251
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, zeroangel said:

    sonofdy:

    Which already exist.

    I didn’t dispute that. Please read my posts more carefully. I wasn’t arguing for more govt. involvement I tought I specifically said that.

52. #252
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm, spaceycakes said:

    It’s this type of thinking that led to the cancellation of Diet Coke with Lime!

    They cancelled Diet Coke with Lime? Really?

    If that’s true, what do they dip sheep in these days?

    Sorry spaceycakes, you set it up too good for me to resist.

53. #253
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, sonofdy said:

    Police and fire care is a form of socialism

    REALLYYYY???? That would make every form of government EXCEPT anarchy socialist.

    Dumbass.

    Again show me where in the constitution it says that healthcare is a right.

54. #254
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Pure capitalism leads to monopolies and eventual huge class disparities.

    As I thought. Another ignorant boob with an opinion.

    Do some reading. Learn what we are discussing. Lemme know when you begin to understand the terms you are using.

55. #255
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, right4life said:

    another day, more idiocy from ZA

56. #256
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, sonofdy said:

    Please list the economic/political system that eliminated all class differences when tried.

    I will wait…

57. #257
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, zeroangel said:

    sonofdy:

    That would make every form of government EXCEPT anarchy socialist.

    Actually, it makes every form of government partially socialist, and it’s accurate. Your colloquial definition of “socialism” might not apply here, but the textbook one does.

    Rags:

    Typical. Just go f*ck yourself.

58. #258
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, right4life said:

    never fear socialist stooges, even if this does not pass congress, it will be largely implemented by some TSAR!!

    you only think this is a democracy/republic…

59. #259
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I believe that health care is as important to a communitie’s well-being as the other two.

    Then, as with fire and police services, organize a localized community that does that.

    DO NOT attempt to force me into a NATIONALIZED SYSTEM to compel your idiocy on me.

    I can assure you, it would be dangerous.

    Charities are socialism.

    The distinction is that they are NOT STATE socialism, which is always compulsory by nature.

60. #260
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I think this is UFO worthy nonsense

    None of the facts of the issue have any merit, in your mind?

    How much money would you shell out to defend yourself from someone suing you to prove you were born where you say you were? I know I’d spend the $20 for a copy of my long form Birth Certificate from the Kansas State Vital Statistics office and fork it over — not close to a million dollars to fight it.

    I am willing to put up money over it as I said I have, and won.

    You only bet that it wouldn’t be settled before the election. Woo woo, you won. WHy don’t you bet that he IS actually a Natural Born Citizen? That he’s never travelled under a foreign passport? That he didn’t get educational aid as a foreign student?

61. #261
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    GOOD GRIEF! The federal government has no business getting involved in local police and fire departments just as it has no business or authority in getting involved in health insurance!

    Are we forgetting a little thing called “federalism” here? All government is NOT the same. Didn’t anyone here take civics and US History in high school?

62. #262
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, right4life said:

    Please list the economic/political system that eliminated all class differences when tried.

    Socialism will work THIS time because OBAMA is gonna do it right!!!

    he’s going to lead us into a glorious new age of enlightment…all you need is this little mark on your forehead…or hand…

63. #263
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I try, Flyoverman…

    But I don’t know about the actual ‘cancellation’ of the lime version, but tbey don’t carry it anymore where I live (Missouri).
    Bloody swine.

64. #264
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Typical. Just go f*ck yourself.

    See? I enjoined you to cure your glaring ignorance, and all you can do is be nasty.

    I think this is a good exposition. People here are growing contemptuous of you, and for displayed reasons.

65. #265
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:39 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Crikey; something tells me this is it–this the thread today!

    I can feel it!

66. #266
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, bigterpfan said:

    REALLYYYY???? That would make every form of government EXCEPT anarchy socialist.

    Perhaps a little reading of Milton Friedman is in order, my name-calling friend. Pay nice attention to the problem of “externalities.” I’ll withdraw to more productive places to argue, where an expressed view is not greeted with name-calling. Have a nice day. For the record, “martial” law is the correct spelling. Not marshal.

67. #267
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, zeroangel said:

    Dexter:

    WHy don’t you bet that he IS actually a Natural Born Citizen?

    Well, because I doubt you will ever be satisfied with any document he produces.

    You are the one that is so confident this case has merit. Why don’t you think he will be run out of office in 4 years? You got 4 yrs.

    Rags:

    Please. You merely dismissed what I said out of hand. The US has laws in place to deal with the dangers of pure capitalism, (laws against monopolies for example).

    People here are growing contemptuous of you, and for displayed reasons.

    People are contemptuous of me because of my politics you a$$. If I reserved all my bile for the likes of LGM et al. You guys would love me.

68. #268
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:41 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Lime in Cola was standard fair in Europe. Not sure that’s still true…. sigh.

    Hope you find some. Otherwise, a bottle of Roses of Lime would be in order.

69. #269
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I’ll withdraw to more productive places to argue, where an expressed view is not greeted with name-calling.

    Bub

    aye.

70. #270
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    Crikey; something tells me this is it–this the thread today!

    I can feel it!

    I hope not. I don’t have enough gin left to start drinking now.

71. #271
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, Flyoverman said:

    If I reserved all my bile for the likes of LGM et al. You guys would love me.

    That one is certainly hard to refute. Gotta give you bonus points for that one!

    The enemy of my enemy……

72. #272
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, right4life said:

    People are contemptuous of me because of my politics

    no actually because you’re an arrogant know-it-all twit…who doesn’t know nearly as much as you think you know…

    and you’re a foul-mouthed troll.

73. #273
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, Ragspierre said:

    People are contemptuous of me because of my politics you a$$.

    You are, as is often the case, wrong. You are a nasty little prig. That is why people are growing contemptuous of you.

74. #274
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, zeroangel said:

    Flyoverman:

    *smile* thx bro. *tears up* *sniff*

75. #275
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Well, because I doubt you will ever be satisfied with any document he produces.

    You’ve got that right!

    I think everyone would be satisfied if he authorized the State of Hawaii to release his BC.

76. #276
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, bigterpfan said

    USA got to the point of greatness that it currently enjoys allowing for both local community police and fire but not mandating government health care.
    Allowing something is very different from mandating something.
    Neither one though is a “right”.

77. #277
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, spaceycakes said:

    aw crap, chap.

    btw, Flyover…do you know that neither grenadine nor lime is really grenadine nor lime? It’s just corn syrup w/colour.

    Devils!

78. #278
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, zeroangel said:

    Rags:

    You are a nasty little prig.

    …said the supercilious ambulance chaser.

    …sorry Chap, couldn’t help myself.

79. #279
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    aw crap, chap.

    Okay, okay…I’ll try.

    Cheers!

80. #280
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:49 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hmmmm….

    I had no idea Tanqueray was 94.6 proof

81. #281
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, spaceycakes said:

    well, DUH.

    I cut out the middle man & went straight to Everclear today…

    Nostrovya!

82. #282
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, Flyoverman said:

    btw, Flyover…do you know that neither grenadine nor lime is really grenadine nor lime? It’s just corn syrup w/colour.

    No Santa Claus, Elvis is really dead, Favre could end up a Viking and now this….. what next?

    94.6 proof, Chap? A ray of hope!

83. #283
    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    I cut out the middle man & went straight to Everclear today…

    My freshman year in college, we sent out our hulking, prematurely balding friend to go out and get alcohol because no one ever thought to card him.

    He came back with something called “Devils Spring Vodka” and some godawful premixed Kamikaze drink.

    We never let him go out alone again.

84. #284
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Premix??

    Call Father Marin!

85. #285
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    Where in the Constitution is fire protection a “right”.

    Where in the Constitution is health care a “right”?

    First off, I should say I subscribe to the Walter Williams view of rights, that is, a right being something a person inherently possesses which places no burden on anyone else. Police and fire may be benefits that communities decide to provide for themselves, but I don’t believe they are “rights”.

    That being said, I still don’t see a connection between fire, police and health care. As Rags pointed out, fire and police are local concerns, paid for by local taxes and controlled by local entities (as pointed out, there is no national police or fire force). The closer people are to something, and bigger stake they have in it, the better managed it is. To the extent that localities choose to provide health care, I may not agree with it, but federalism and all, wouldn’t complain too loudly. Also, police forces and fire depts. are made up of professionals who have careers in those fields, and who know a thing or two about the field (excepting Cathy Lanier of Washington DC who is a fool). This is what this country was founded to do, allow localities to goven themselves. Some states wouldn’t have even signed the Declaration of Independence without that guarantee.

    This healthcare proposal is a national program, put together by beaurocrats who have no background or knowledge in healthcare, are far removed from it, and are exempted from it, leaving them no stake in its effective management or outcome. And while some people may argue that healthcare falls under the “General Welfare” clause, I don’t subscribe to that view.

    Anyway, that’s all I have to say. I do see the point about fire and police, but don’t think they are necessarily compatible, due to the national vs. local angle and my own view of rights vs. benefits. At any rate, I’m not one to argue with strangers. I hope I’ve made some sense. I’ve said my piece, so I’m out like shout!

86. #286
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pm, zeroangel said:

    mattymatt10:

    Actually, that was a really good post and I liked it. Bravo!

87. #287
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, zeroangel said:

    Chap:

    Check your secret email. I sent you a love letter.

88. #288
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    No, 0A, I doubt anyone here will ever love you.

    And if Chappy offers I would be very careful!

    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, zeroangel said:

    People are contemptuous of me because of my politics you a$$. If I reserved all my bile for the likes of LGM et al. You guys would love me.

89. #289
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    No, 0A, I doubt anyone here will ever love you.

    Oh yah that ship sailed, but I bet at least I’d get a pat on the back if I let loose a flurry of F U’s and otherwise on the next Chomskyite that stumbles in here.

90. #290
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:24 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    You are too kind, Zero, too kind.

    Ok, now I’m out! lol

91. #291
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, zeroangel said:

    mattymatt10:

    You are too kind, Zero, too kind.

    That’s something I’m seldom accused of.

    OK, I’m out too. Later!

92. #292
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Police and fire may be benefits that communities decide to provide for themselves, but I don’t believe they are “rights”.

    I have a right to self-protection. I certainly have a right to protect my property from fire.

    I may delegate my rights to perform those things to a community of others, and may even find it beneficial to pay for the others perform the function. Many communities in my part of the world have volunteer fire departments, and there are (really) volunteer sheriff’s posses in counties.

    I have no right to the work of a doctor, which would entail a corresponding obligation in that person. I may, by agreement, purchase some of their time, skill, training, etc. I may also give my own property to pay the doctor to help others. That would be a means of socializing the costs of medical care, but it would be entirely voluntary and would not tend to impose any compulsion on anyone.

    I have no right to eat (though certainly a need), and no other American has any obligation to feed me. They may choose to, out of kindness, self-interest, etc. But no legal authority could compel them. A kind person might donate to charity to feed those in need. That would be a means of socializing the impacts of hunger, but it would be entirely voluntary and would not tend to impose any compulsion on anyone.

    As anyone who knows their butt from a cypress stump understands, a monopoly cannot survive in a free market. This is one reason we offer special market exemptions in the form of patents, copyrights, and trademark to foster innovation.

    Duh…

93. #293
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:27 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    No, you probably wouldn’t get a “pat on the pack” for unleashing a flurry of obscenities at anyone. Maybe if you ponder that it would help.

    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, zeroangel said:

    WE82:

    No, 0A, I doubt anyone here will ever love you.

    Oh yah that ship sailed, but I bet at least I’d get a pat on the back if I let loose a flurry of F U’s and otherwise on the next Chomskyite that stumbles in here.

94. #294
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pm, zeroangel said:

    Rags:

    As anyone who knows their butt from a cypress stump understands

    Give it a rest already. I only brought this up to backup the points of another (new?) poster whose points you right off the bat you called asinine.

    You deserve every bit of derision you get. If I am a nasty prig, you are more or less guilty of the same, maybe that’s why we get along so well.

    It’s not even a bit hypocrital for you to call me out for the same behavior you yourself are guilty of.

    Are we gonna call a truce now or not?

95. #295
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    The one thought that crosses my mind comes from LGM’s Austrian painting little buddy:

    The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one. – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (1925)

    Just my 2 cents worth while doing homework.

    GSP

96. #296
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:38 pm, zeroangel said:

    /me waves Olive branch at Rags. I’m sorry I called you an ambulance chaser.

    See? I can play nice.

97. #297
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:49 pm, corkie said:

    On July 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I heard the Poseur-in-chief say this morning that he didn’t mind paying a bit more for the program to help others get insured.

    Um, I’m pretty sure you didn’t ask anyone else what they felt there, Corkie.

    Is Corkie your nickname for Obama, or did I get dragged into this somehow?

    Either way, I’m not happy.

98. #298
    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, spaceycakes said:

    oops, corkie; my bad.

    No, I was calling that pres-guy ‘Corkie’. Don’t ask…

99. #299
    On July 16th, 2009 at 6:07 pm, corkie said:

    On July 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Don’t ask…

    How can I not ask?

    Is Corkie a bad name? Or were you using it the same way “Champ” is used in, “You didn’t ask anyone else, Champ.”

100. #300
     On July 16th, 2009 at 6:18 pm, John Deaux said:

     On July 16th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, WarEagle82 said:
     No, 0A, I doubt anyone here will ever love you.

     Ummm. Sorry. I let it slip. It was the Yuengling talking, I swear it!

     I don’t suppose I’d do anything to quell any conspiracy theories if I told zeroangel that:

     I Want To Believe!

     Yup, Yuengling time again.