Socialized health care and the death of choice
Two more Obamacare items worth your attention this morning:
1) Investors’ Business Daily shines light on a provision in the Democrat takeover bill that will effectively kill off the market for individual insurance and funnel consumers into the “public option:”
When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.
It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of “Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage,” the “Limitation On New Enrollment” section of the bill clearly states:
“Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day” of the year the legislation becomes law.
So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won’t be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.
2) The National Taxpayers Union weighed the references to taxes and regulation versus the references to options and choice in the Dems’ behemoth proposal. They found 1400 references to “taxes/regulation” compared to 88 for “choice/options.” And this sums it all up:
The terms “consumer-driven” and “patient-driven” as in consumer-driven and patient-driven choices and health care do not appear in the bill.
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» Surrender, he whispered
WE82:
Look, we can trade insults again if you want for another hour or two. that’s kewl.
Dexter:
There is no difference because the issue is settled in exactly the same way except for those who refuse to deal with it.
Negatory. You obviously didn’t read the article(s) linked in my post #344. This issue is not going away. Dozens of lawsuits have been filed, and more will follow until the questions are settled. If the Senate can ‘investigate’ John McCain’s eligibility, why not Obama’s?
Dexter:
Oh sure. They will run their course through the courts, waste taxpayers time, tag some poor saps for jury duty, put food on the tables of some lawyers, annoy a bunch of people, wate the time of the DoD and uniformed soldiers (the worst part), etc.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this kept up even after Obama is out of office. It will still never be vindicated.
ZeroIntellect,
There is little to be gained from trading insults because your own words sufficiently demonstrate your incredible arrogance and stupidity.
Anything I might offer in that matter pale to insignificance compared with your own “pearls of wisdom” which so emphatically and empirically demonstrate your stupidity.
Therefore I will decline your offer to engage in fruitless conversation with you.
WE82:
OK. Let’s test that out:
You are a big poopy head.
But….when those same authorities, in this case the state health director, Chiyome Fukino, says she has personally seen and examined his original certificate on record, that is no enough?
Google “Chester A. Arthur eligibility”. There are still arguments about his.
McCain released his long form BC. I think there’s fire in that smoke.
Heya chap. How’s your afternoon going?
Sober.
Chap, see my post #343.
Dexter:
So what? There will be arguements about Bush and Florida and the legality of the War in Iraq and UFOs and on and on forever.
It doesn’t mean it has any relevance to the real world and it will never come to any fruitition.
That said:
You obviously think this has merit. So, do you ever think it will be vindicated. Do you ever think there will be a point when Obama is removed from office?
If not, then you either a) think some kind of conspiracy will obscure the TRUTH or b) you realize that this doesn’t have any merit.
So which is it? Or is there some other option?
Egad! Run out of Malibu?
Are states often in the business of holding birth certificates from foreign jurisdictions?
And you seem to be implying that they were being coy in their answer. Which again contradicts your contention that you would trust Hawaiian authorities.
I dislike Malibu. I’ll make a run to the store here soon. I also have to pick up hairspray for the wife.
I think the courts are afraid to look into it for fear he really will be found to be ineligible. Try to imagine the reaction, especially from a certain demographic group, if this historic president is found to be ineligible to the office. The issue to me: is the Contitution the Supreme Law of the Land, or not?!
chap:
I never asked you, do you have kids?
Hell no.
Dexter:
So, the courts are afraid and therefore are a cog in a massive conspiracy to undermine the law of the land, right? Sounds pretty UFOish to me. If you don’t think this will ever go anywhere why are you wasting your time?
As far as I am concerned it’s settled. Obama could have been born on Procyon III and you could be a complex computer program written by Rush Limbaugh.
However, on planet Earth, where I generally reside, Barack Obama is legally the President of the United States and an officer of the US military that games the system and wastes the time of fellow soldiers is still a scumbag.
And after our earlier fruitless exchange we get a purportedly sober Chappy.
It’s a bit early for you to be out of bed, eh? I guess you had a late night chasing “ambulances” down at DuPont Circle…
chap:
Gee, it’s not a bad thing. Aren’t your DNA’s screaming something about their immorality right now?
I think they were being careful to comply with regulations about what personal information they can and can’t release without the permission of the individual in question.
Dexter:
Like Chap said, you think they were being coy. You don’t trust them to come out with the WHOLE TRUTH, right?
Come on Wareagle, you and I both know that no exchange with you could ever be fruitless.
Let’s see if he gets that one…
Thank God (sorry) that’s settled! ZeroAngel has so decreed! With is X-Ray vision, he has peered through thousands of miles of the mantle of the Earth, brick and steel, to read the actual original birth certificate in the file in the Hawaii State Department of Health and verified that Obama was indeed born at the Queen Anne’s (or was it the Kapiolani?) hospital in Hawaii.
Whew! I can get on with my life now.
Thanks.
LOL.
I was referring to our earlier exchange with ZeroIntellect before you joined the thread.
And since you are obviously the biggest fruit around any exchange with you would not be “fruitless.”
And I do disinfect my keyboard after every message I type when responding to you…
HAH!!! Good one!!! Its almost like:
1) you totally came up with that awesome double entendre yourself! or
2) Post #391 was oddly prophetic!
Dexter:
I didn’t decree anything. The whole of the US government has. So sad, mah bad.
If you don’t think this will ever go anywhere why are you wasting your time?
If you were in his position, what would you do?
What if you voted for him?
Alas, Chappy, it appears you continue to misunderestimate my strategery. You do so at your own peril, leftist perv lawyer!
Man I love this board. You guys are awesome. We really should get together sometime but only through a bullet-proof glass wall outside your padded cells.
To have the most lemony fresh keyboard in all of NOVA?
If I were a member of the Hawaiian DOH? Ummm, tell the truth and NOT risk my career and livelihood?
Not to mention the freaking millions you could make selling your story to Fox News. I’ll bet Hannity would also have relations with you.
a typical ‘conversation’ with less-than-zero, I see…
btw: Evolution is a racist and eugenicist theory…and darwin was evil as hell
Haha. Poor Sean. I love him but I can’t help but laugh at that one.
No, the whole of the US government is kicking the can down the street. It would be nice if just ONE agency of the government addressed the merits.
I prefer the fresh scent of pine, you lowly leftard lawyer louse! (Sorry if that was a bit redundant but I got carried away with alliteration.)
Dexter:
Do you honestly think this is ever going to get anywhere?
Hippie.
Us good old Southern boys from the Piedmont of South Carolina enjoyed the fresh scent of pine long before there was hippies!
I reckon you likes to smell like lilacs or lavender or some other pansy lawyer smell…
/me pokes Dexter.
Was that before or after beating up the blacks and queers?
No. Gin soaked vomit.
/me wonders if Dexter suddenly had a stroke.
/me also wonders if I should goad WE82 into another playground spat.
The question should be: Should it?
Work does intrude occasionally.
Gee, Chappy, I don’t know if I enjoyed the smell of pine before or after you beat up folks. You’ll have to answer that one yourself.
Personally, I have never used phyisical violence except in self-defense.
Dexter:
…but that’s not my question. Why don’t you want to answer my question?
OK. Fair enough. Same here.
My unequivocal answer: I hope so.
Oh, so your mother was an alky! That fetal alcohol syndrome must be a real pain but you obviously know that.
What did your daddy’s vomit smell like? Oh, you probably don’t remember which one was your daddy…
True. All I know about my daddy was he was a redneck, legally retarded, closet homo who grew up near Piedmont, South Carolina.
So that could have been literally anyone.
Dexter:
OK, then I will rephrase the question. Your hopes and wishes aside, do you believe that Obama will be forced out of office based on these allegations, yes or no?
… and by that I mean, I hope it’s settled, one way or another. The issue is, the truth. Transparency. The Constitution. I would like to think that if it were a Republican, I would be just as demanding to see the issue settled.
The Senate’s declaration notwithstanding, the issue of John McCain’s eligibility is blurry enough that I think it should have been settled by the SCOTUS defining “Natural Born Citizen” with respect to the Constitution for once and all.
Watching Chap trade insults with WE82 is like watching Hitchens debate Hannity.
This is awesome.
No. Like I said, I think the lawyers and chicken judges will drag it out until after his term(s). That doesn’t mean I don’t think it SHOULD be settled ASAP, whatever the fallout.
Dexter:
…well that said, I can’t understand why you waste your time. IMHO it would be like arguing with a police officer over whether I was going 75mph or 79mph. In the end, I am still going to look stupid and nothing good will come of it.
WarEagle–praat jy tot die duiwel??
Oh, so your daddy was a Damn Yankee carpetbagger! That makes sense now that you mention it. Alas, you are doomed as there is no escaping genetics…
Bitte, Sie wissen kann Ich nichts Hollander verstehen. Auf Deutsch oder auf Russische, bitte.
Well, some of us are willing to stand on our principles, and some aren’t. I would rather go to jail confident in my innocence than to confess to a crime I didn’t commit to get a lesser sentence.
Dexter:
…or, in the case of the Major, loose your job, destroy your military career, waste the time of fellow soliders, become a national laughingstock, put your family on the street (if he has family).
I get it, you think he is a hero. Well, pretty much everyone down here on Earth thinks he is a moron.
Never have truer words been uttered by ZeroIntellect. It does a heart good to see he is discovering his true nature…
WE82:
Furiously declining I see.
ek is so jammer; ek nie praat Duits!
Sprechen Sie mit dem Teufel?
Huh?
You are right zero, it is like debating Hannity. If he can’t come up with an intelligent or witty retort for what you actually said, he will simply ignore it and pretend you said something else. Or make pitiful “yo mama” jabs.
Engaging targets of opportunity is not the same as “fruitless conversation.” I would have thought a combat vet would know that…
WE82:
Exaggerate much?
If what he’s doing forces the issue out into the open, then I salute his sacrifice.
I get it, though. You are a “go along to get along” type of guy. Taking an unpopular stand on principle is ’stupid’. Why rock the boat? What’s it going to get you… grief? What are the chances you’re right and everyone else is wrong? That’s never happened.
Well, Chappy, the only people I knew in the Piedmont like the one you described as your daddy were Damn Yankee carpetbaggers. If the shoe fits…
And your poor mammy sure sounds like a typical yankee tramp. I see the apple don’t fall far from the tree…
Chap:
I was listening to Hannity the other day. I do like a good deal of what he says sometimes. He was being a real tool this time though.
Had some militant black panther guy on or something. Hannity kept playing clips of what this guy’s mentor said (horribly racist calls to violence) again and again and again and again.
The entire time the guy kept his cool and kept saying, “So and so taught us many great things but also made many mistakes and said things that were wrong.” Or something to that effect.
I was impressed. It was sad because Hannity came off looking like the jerk, and the actual militant jerk came out looking good. Really pathetic.
Dexter:
No I am not exegerating. The guy lost his job over this.
Furthermore, I am not a go along guy. I think this is nonsense and am trying to make that point to you.
Dexter:
Even you don’t think his sacrifice is going to do anything!
One (other) thing we can agree on. Hannity’s heart is in the right place, but he just gags me sometimes. He needs to let the Leftards speak instead of constantly interrupting. They can hang themselves on the knots they tie themselves into if he just lets them.
LOL. Yankees? Why am I reminded of the Pace Salsa commercial?
“NEW YORK CITY???”
Dexter:
You were listening too yesterday (Hannity)?
Where I was born people still spat at the mention of Sherman’s name when I was a child. They remembered what he and his Yankee boys did to South Carolina in 1865.
Obviously, just another aspect of American history you fail to grasp. One expects such from the offspring of Yankees…
I know he was born there. I have seen original copy of his birth certificate.
You are right about my mom being an alky, btw. She must have been blitzed out of her freaking mind to let an inbred Piedmont yokel get within 5 feet of her.
Okay, Z. You think it’s nonsense.
Is it nonsense that he has a team of lawyers fighting to prevent release of his long form BC?
Is it nonsense that the BC he has released was also issued by Hawaii to infants born out of state/country?
Is it nonsense that he admits to being born with (at least) dual American/British citizenship and no determination has been made as to the eligibility to the Presidency of a dual national?
Is it nonsense that he is also preventing the release of any other records (Occidental College, Harvard) that might show citizenship status?
Answer those.
WE82:
The Civil War is long over. Not a one of my ancestors that fought in the Civil War are still alive. Furthermore, being as how my Mom is second-gen American her side of the family wasn’t even here, and since my Dad is from the South… well…
Geeezzz…
Ja, hier habe Ich mit zwei Teufelen sprechen. Warum fragen Sie? Und guten tag. Wie gehts heute?
I guess southerners only dig the concept of total war when it’s a bunch of dirty Ay-rabs suffering the consequences.
I guess I can add “hypocrite” to the pantheon of insults I can throw at WarEagle in subsequent posts.
Dexter:
1) Obama hired them himself? Or are they representives of the state fighting a frivolous lawsuit as required by law?
2) I don’t know, let’s say no. Does it matter? The State Dept says the short form is A-OK.
3) Umm no? Again does it matter?
4) Ummm no? Again, does he have to do anything? No.
Worse yet! A foreign Yankee mammy! Obviously no decent Southern Belle would have had your father! Makes sense now…
WE82:
Ouchy, big meanie poopie head made fun of my Daddy. *cry*
“Total War” was a Yankee invention used to justify the fact that Yankee boys couldn’t defeat heroic Southern boys in a fair fight.
I wouldn’t expect a leftard perv lawyer like you to understand that either. But your predicament is understandable knowing you get the poor genes from both sides of the family.
Zero, so it’s not nonsense. But, you still don’t care to settle the issue. Ensuring the Constitution is adhered to is too much trouble. If I’m not mistaken, you dedicated several (many?) years of your life to support and defend it. Now, it’s too much bother.
Got it.
Yeah, zero. Your daddy missed out on this.
Dexter:
OK, I am going to go out on a big limb here:
Let’s say you have a case.
Let’s say somehow BO didn’t quite qualify to be President.
Well, you know what. F*ck it. He is American. He has lived in America and been an American for a very long time.
If Schartznegger can be Governer of CA then I am OK with this. So the rules got bent a tiny bit. Big deal. The people wanted him. He lost. It sucks. Get over it.
What the heck do you want? Biden instead?
Chappy,
Great news! I see you have found a picture of your mammy! You must feel so much better now…
Is that what you say to yourself so you can fall asleep at night?
Or do you count all the sheep you’ve sodomized?
Dexter:
The reason the law was made (the spirit of the law) was so that no foriegner with foriegn loyalties of any kind became President.
I don’t think BO has any foriegn loyalties, so I am satisfied.
You can dispute that and call me all the names you want.
Well, you know what, tough sh|t. I fought for this country and the Constitution (as you said) so please don’t question my patriotism or support. There you will cross a line.
Wow.
That says it all. The Constitution is no big deal.
Sorry. I vehemently disagree.
Dear, deluded Chappy,
There you go with that projection thing again. You really should look for another shrink. The one you have now isn’t doing any good at all. But then she obviously doesn’t have much genetic material to work with…
Dexter:
I don’t think the rules were bent.
See above WRT my patriotism.
OH MY GAWD!!! What have I walked into??
Never mind…carry on….I’m outta here.
Nor do I think the spirit of the law was broken. Again, see above.
Sigh…God, WarEagle, you are truly the most pitiful flamer I have ever seen. Please, I am begging you to fire up those two or three synapses you were blessed with and come up with a halfway original and witty retort. Flame wars aren’t much fun when they are one sided. Seriously, this is worse than the beat down Sherman gave those pansy-assed southerners.
Chap:
For what it’s worth I am cracking up at every post. Keep it up.
I am going to go out to buy my booze and hairspray.
Your task, WE, is to think of SOMETHING, anything actually funny and original based upon this post by the time I get back.
I have purposely given you some wonderful material to work with on my first sentence. In fact it should be easy. But I guess you have to learn to color in between the lines before I can expect you to paint like Picasso.
Now…zero, Dexter, anyone else…no helping. WarEagle has got to take the mental training wheels off some day now.