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In terms of your question…
Lets say the government rules and regulations allow for law suits and the industry that has sprung up around them to exist.
The government enacts some kind of “reform” and as a result the law suit piece of health care dries up and goes away.
That does not mean there is more government intervention.
You continue to attempt to connect dots that do not connect.
I am not making any equation, sport. All I am saying is it is stupid to whine about taking 25% of what you earn, essentially treating overhead the same as taxes.
Tell me… if you buy a stock for $100 (think of the basis as “overhead”) and sell it for $120 and pay $3 (15% cap gain rate) for the tax, do you say “I only got to keep 14.16% of my 120 dollars”? Or do you say “I only got to keep 85% of my profit”?
I can’t believe I would even have to explain this to anyone with an education over 8th grade.
This post makes zero sense.
“I am not making any equation, sport.”
I fully agree. You made no equation, but tried to make a point as if you did. Glad you finally understand.
I guess you don’t understand basic math, economics and tax policy. Glad I finally understand it is pointless to attempt to explain anything to you until you catch up on those remedial classes.
Again…Azygos has every right to complain about taxes. He does not help his argument one bit complaining about his overhead and including that into the equation. After all…unless he is an idiot, he is passing those costs on to his clients and deducts them from his tax return.
On July 19th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, chapoutier said:
S&P?
This profit margin is the doctor’s salary. You think this doctor should bill $2M to take home $100K?
As another poster stated, I want my doctor to be able to make a good living. Do think they should compete with the asst manager at Burger King?
chap…
You seem to forget what point you tried to make in lambasting a doctor implying his profit margin was too high as compared to what you imagine is pleasing to other business.
As a word merchant I’m sure many many words means something to you. But it really is not a good strategy to attempt to muck up the water by endless dialog.
Glad to see though the tendency folks like yourself tend to have that they think they have the right to determine what a doctor should or shouldn’t make is out in the open.
To try and determine if a doctor’s profit margin is too high based on a percent without looking at the % of what is meaningless.
But go ahead, continue to make meaningless points. I’ll try and find software that will add those little numbers on the left when I post on line to help you track a post.
“I guess you don’t understand basic math, economics and tax policy.”
I understand when someone is only using partial facts and comparing apples to oranges in an attempt to make a point.
Something you are good at.
And then IF I don’t allow you to do so, I’m not educated enough for you?
Ah, nice leftist liberal mind set on display again.
I’m sure you are right. I look forward to you having a doctor too stupid to even work at Burger King as already posted.
fluffy…
sigh…if a doctor naturally has an overhead of $1.2 or 1.3 million (or whatever number), then hell yes they should bill that much. Providing service entails more than the doc’s salary.
Jeez, seriously…do none of you understand revenue vs. profit?
And for what its worth, doctors earn every penny they get. My sister in law is one and I know their life is often hell. But that has nothing to do with recognizing the difference between legitimate overhead and taxes.
Just wondering chap, what is your profit margin?
“doctors earn every penny they get.”
Some do. Some don’t.
Some actually earn pennies they don’t get.
js,
You do not know what you are talking about. Plain and simple. I never said that doctors did not deserve their profit margin. I objected to treating profit margin like an effective tax rate, which was the implication in the original post.
Try to keep up and don’t make up such obvious strawmen. It just makes you look even more uneducated than you obviously are.
Pardon me, I thought you were being sarcastic…
But since the government writes and enforces the laws that allow the frivolous lawsuits and/or the high jury awards, then it stands to reason we have to rely upon the government to change those laws.
No really, chap what is your profit margin? Cause it seems to me as a lot, or a profession, lawyers get to bill way more than their actual expenses. So please let us know about profit, revenue, all that 8th grade math stuff that you seem to excel at for the legal industry. I’d like to compare professions if you don’t mind. Would be interesting to me to see which industries are more deserving of Obama care…..
“I objected to treating profit margin like an effective tax rate”
Sorry but you did not. You compared what a doctor posted as a pretend profit margin to other types of business.
“It just makes you look even more uneducated than you obviously are.”
Again acting like making personal insults makes some point.
Good for you. You know how to make an insult.
Now your mark up and profit margin? General figures for your industry/profession?
This from the guy that brought up profit margins for restaurants?
Rather abrasive. I guess you didn’t spend Sunday relaxing.
“Pardon me, I thought you were being sarcastic…”
chap wasn’t. He was trying to make some cutesy point by trying to say that those of us who want to curtail law suits are being inconsistent because we are also against growing government and government intervention.
As if tort reform means more government intervention. When it does not.
You do understand that profit margin is not relevant (or certainly much less relevant) to an EMPLOYEE (which is all I have ever been)rather than an EMPLOYER, right? Think on it for a bit and get back to me why.
No, I did not. But based on your posts, it is clear that you can’t understand my real point.
“It just makes you look even more uneducated than you obviously are.”
Isn’t that one of those phrases that sounds good but makes no sense?
How can I look more of something than that same thing I obviously am?
Oh great, now I have a headache on top of being stupid.
“No, I did not.”
Ok, if you say so. It would be pointless of me to copy and paste your post. You aren’t the kind of person to let facts make up your mind especially about yourself. But that is precisely what you did.
Doesn’t seem like the usual chipper Chap, does it? Did Red State Skeptic hijack his email account? He’s not normally one to dive into such insults…
Sorry you are having a bad day, Chap.
Explain to me again how it isn’t inconsistent. There are no restrictions now. You might even say there is a free market in lawsuits. You want government to intervene and impose artificial limitations on this. Please…try to reconcile this.
“You do understand that profit margin is not relevant (or certainly much less relevant) to an EMPLOYEE”
Huh? As an employee I am very concerned about profit margin. In fact our employee mission statement as a company contains market share and bottom line.
What does that have to do with you criticizing a doctor for having what you think is a higher profit margin than other companies?
Thanks, js.
My wife just watch me spray my computer with Diet Dr. Pepper.
Not understanding the difference between revenue and profit sets your baseline for uneducation.
Setting up a strawman argument, which is a conscious decision on your part, makes you seem even more so. Or, in the alternative, we have to assume you made that poor argument in good faith and move your actual baseline lower, your choice.
“Explain to me again how it isn’t inconsistent.”
You don’t want to understand. Its been explained clearly.
Stopping an activity does not increase government intervention. There are ways that it can. There are ways it does not. Stopping an activity does not automatically mean more government intervention.
Don’t be cute. You know that is not what I was asking. In terms of determining how much money one gets to keep, please try to figure out the difference between an employer and employee.
Again, not what I was doing and you know it. Or you don’t get it. Either option says more about you than me.
I’d done chap. You are arguing with what you need me to say, not what I said.
Please argue away with the voices in your head.
On July 19th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, chapoutier said:
I know it’s just a comment in a thread on a blog, but the lack of parallelism in that last post makes my teeth hurt.
“Again, not what I was doing and you know it.”
That’s exactly what you did. How is it what I know? You are what a mind reader now? The great chap man…. Ok, what number am I thinking?
The government saying you can’t do something does not mean more government intervention.
That is awesome. You are a gem.
“Not understanding the difference between revenue and profit sets your baseline for uneducation.”
Again chap, this is what you need. Glad I can provide something you need today.
Nothing I posted in defense of your telling a doctor his profit margin is too high has anything to do with my understanding of profit, revenue or taxes.
But really, please continue this conversation. I’m more than happy to meet another human being needs today.
GOOD GOD MAWD!!
Chap, sport, chap, sport, old chap, old sport, sport, sport, chap, chap, old, old, apples and oranges, sport, old chap, sport………
Everybody out of the pool!!!!
See, this is what happens when Michelle leaves this blog unsupervised.
I guess its option #2.
Ah now we’re to partial thoughts to prove your point chap? The whole comment.
Stopping an activity does not increase government intervention. There are ways that it can. There are ways it does not. Stopping an activity does not automatically mean more government intervention.
Funny how often it is OUR problem when we can’t fathom Chappy’s point. It couldn’t be that the dear boy from Upstate New York is the one who is muddle-headed and incapable of making a logical or factual post.
No, it is we “common folk” who lack the intellectual acumen and education to understand the “englightened leftist.”
How lucky we are to have him here to enlighten us. “We are not worthy!”
Let’s see the government decides to stop having the IRS. Totally shuts down the taxing of Americans.
Less or more government intervention chap?
This is not that hard to understand.
On July 19th, 2009 at 6:01 pm, purealchemy said:
But, Uncle Aaa-aaalll…
we’re just playing
No, it is we “common folk” who lack the intellectual acumen and education to understand the “englightened leftist.”
Welcome to the stupid group. We take the short bus to school by the way.
please continue to lie in the face of actual posts. Tell me where I used the words “too high.” If you can point to me saying that, I will shut up. But you can’t because you are lying. I pointed to other examples to point out that the original poster was confusing profit margins with take home pay (or in another way, overhead costs with taxes). But please continue to blatantly lie.
As long as I get my usual seat on top of the wheel well.
I hope you realize that this “comparison” is not close to being germaine. You do realize the difference between the government stopping its own activity and preventing a private citizen from engaging in its own activity, right?
Please oh please tell me you understand that.
On July 19th, 2009 at 6:04 pm, chapoutier said:
Wow, chap. Did the girl from internet dating site found out your occupation and tell you to get lost?
Someone peed in your corn flakes.
fluffy,
Are you saying you can find where I said what he claims I did?
Or did he lie?
I know, I’m just jealous because I’m too young or female or tender or something to be a contender.
Oh, good grief. No we get the familiar “liar” refrain from Chappy!
We are ignorant, stupid “hicks from the sticks” and we are liars!
Chappy is like a broken record except a broken record has some utility. An ambulance chasing lawyer has none unless the ambulance can use him as a wheel chock…
Oh, my god! Doesn’t it ever occur to you guys that there are ladies on this blog!!!!
Where are my smelling salts????
chapoutier #146
No, I am implying that you are being irrational and there is nothing left to do but tease you.
Hello, grasshopper!
I hope you have been practicing!
purealchemy #149
Sorry **kicks dirt**
How?
Either I said what he claims, he is lying about what I said, or can’t comprehend what I wrote.
None of these imply irrationality. On my part at least.
Looks like I’m not missing anything, typical thread, Chap as usual screaming strawman and you’re stupid to anyone that does not agree with him. Lazy Sunday, think I’ll go make some coffee so I don’t end up taking a nap and then not able to sleep tonight. Have a good weekend everyone.
Oh my cow, if about the last 40 comments ain’t enough to jar your grandma’s preserves. HTH did you all get bollixed up in profit/revenue margin on a Sunday open thread?
All I am asking anyone to agree with is that overhead is not the same as taxes and that revenue is not the same as profit.
Cal me crazy…
I don’t know what that means but getting the impression most of the regulars here are macho Texans.
I’ll just go back to my needlework.
“Doctors are not servants of their patients, they are traders like everyone else in a free society and they should bear that title proudly considering the crucial importance of the services they offer.”
~Ayn Rand~
Yes, Chappy, I have been practising. Mostly with my Colt .45 M1911 but with my AR-15 too. Nothing says loving like a semi-auto weapons…
Oh, and I have been stocking up torches and ammo as well. You never know when you will need a lot of both items…
I added Michelle’s new book “Culture of Corruption” to my blog I am a big Malkin Fan.
Oh, it was probably quite easy considering an ambulance chasing lawyer like Chappy was involved. The invented “bollixed up” you know.
chapoutier #153
pour one and forget it
Just one?
One has to wonder about Chappy’s blood pressure after one of lengthy tirades. However, in his case, alcohol is probably the cause and the short-term solution to his nonsensical rants.
purealchemy
There is no such thing as a ‘macho’ Texan. The only ones that claim to be, or strike that attitude, are from somewhere else. You’ll never find a state more proud of who they are, what they’ve accomplished, fly the Lone Star and U.S. flag daily (not just on Nat’l holidays), and ready to welcome anyone that will honor their country (Texas), respect their families and do a day’s work for a day’s wage. Lastly, don’t cop a southern accent if you’re not from there.
I’m originally from CA, wouldn’t go back if Schwartz’s millions were in the bargain. Yea, go back to knitting.
If I don’t find the answer at the bottom of the first bottle, I check the next one.
Good job, btw! That insult was relevant and curt enough to be truly witty!
Grasshopper will soon be able to snatch the coin from my palm!
would I have to pretend beef brisket constitutes real BBQ?
chap, if you don’t like brisket that’s a shame…more for me. Smoked one last weekend. Froze 3/4 of it. Great to thaw when it’s hot and with a little chipotle salsa wrapped in a tortilla you will think you’re in heaven. But, no, I don’t BBQ brisket – you smoke it for hours. The only thing I BBQ are prime fillets, fish/seafood/and vegetables. Everything in poultry and pork are smoked. The then…get yourself a big hunk of salmon, brine it, then smoke it and you’re in business with capers/twist of lemon and bagel slices.
Correction: The then s/b But then
At least 12. I prefer pecan.
I thought smoking was BBQ.
I found that those cheap boston butts make for good vittles smoked with hickory for 8 hours.
I am truly touched by your response.
Never been to Texas. Loved “Dallas”.
Love Kay Bailey Hutchison and Rick Perry.
Did not Texas put the rest of the country to shame during Katrina?
FYI, I am not a knitter. That was for effect.
Who is Schwartz?
BBQ is a process of grilling. BBQ-ing usually means slathering on BBQ sauce. Smoking is like sex on the patio…it can take hours, and a few bottles of beer.
Mississippi put LA to shame, in every category.
Great job on the new book, Michelle!
Speaking of BBQ, I have some tilapia fillets waiting to go to the grill, which is tasty, but I have a problem with them sticking, and don’t have a fish basket. Any tips?
Come on WarEagle…as a proper South Carolinian, I can’t believe you would let this stand.
Wow, that was like beatnik poetic.
24Klady-
When’s the BBQ at your place? I am getting spoiled on Memphis BBQ and want to try some Texas BBQ!
GSP
“This is Sparta!”
It gets better after the meat is done
Did you know that there was a study done on which soft drinks are preferred by respective political persuaions?
Dr. Pepper was the pop of choice for conservatives. Sprite prefered by liberals.
Stop torturing me.
This is true. Us libs generally don’t prefer the taste of ass.
Fill it with vodka and say it’s sprite.
JS, thanks for the support in your comments. I stopped reading Chap’s comments after the first one. Makes it easier to read the thread that way and avoids causing a headache from reading obtuse circular logic.
Just to be clear I am not a doctor I am a Nurse Practitioner. I am an independent contractor who partners with other NP’s and a doctor. And to be clear I was not whining I was making a statement of fact. And to add a little clarity 50% of the cost of overhead is paid to the federal government in taxes. Not all doctors offices are that way but in our current configuration thats what happens.
Chap, tell you what, give me 75% of what you earn and lets see how your standard of living is affected?
One more thing. I took care of a 400 plus pound homeless person the other day at no charge to him. Only in America could someone weigh 400 lbs and be homeless.
Mt. Dew for us southern folks.
Just prefer to play the role?
I don’t drink jaegermeister either. Which is basically Dr. Pepper with a kick.
Then why do you all keep on licking Obama’s?
BBQ, to me, has always been slow smoke cooking…like brisket and ribs. That type of cooking takes hours. Get it started at 6 am, and watch over it all day. Grilling (what most people call BBQ) is for chicken and burgers. Big difference.
Sure got the thread turned around huh? Bring up food and the whole world turns their heads.
jangar:
Talapia is rather oily and if your grates are not non-stick, you could try the spray on chemical stuff. Just about everything will burn. As far as Texas putting LA to shame during Katrina, just about every gulf coast state hit by Katrina did. Texas took thousands of refugees, even though they were not only hit by Katrina in isolated areas but Rita a few weeks later. I remember LGF (Little Green Footballs) had relief funds and people down there running generators and supplies in to those that were guarding their homes on the gulf coast – all via the internet. It was a lump in the throat moment. Yet, they still found time to have a meet-up later as a group.
As far as Kay Bailey, she’s been a huge disappointment on immigration but still a lady with a tremendous hurtle to cross to get where she is today. Rick Perry could go far if he’d decide which side of the fence he’s going to play on immigration as well. Unlike many other governors
, if he can keep his nose clean and win the next election he has a lot to contribute to the national scene down the road.
gunslingerpatriot
I think we should all crash Denver sometime, bring our own special foods and drinks – and invite MM to the gathering!
Probably too late for a suggestion, but I’ve heard of using two cooling racks (for baking), oiled, and connected with wire if you don’t have a basket.
Uhhhh….no. Ordinary business expenses, i.e., overhead are deductible.
Again, you are confusing revenue with profit. Look back to my example of a stock sale. It is the exact same principle.
Enough with this. You are wrong. As wrong as someone that like Dr. Pepper.
But Mt. Dew does rock. Remember when its motto was “Dewin’ it country cool” rather than trying to pander to the atl youth crowd?
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In Memory of Staff Sergeant Darrell “Shifty” Powers
Company E, 2nd Bn, 506th PIR, 101st Airborne Division
Darrell “Shifty” Powers, age 86, died June 17, 2009. He had been battling numerous illnesses — basically, old age.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDOyAgG_NIs
As fine a soldier who ever served.
The Obamessiah does not defecate. He merely excretes ambrosia and 20 year scotch.
The portion of the healthcare bill that kills private insurance is retroactive to January 1, 2009.
Seems like an ex post facto law to me.
Fanning… fanning… fanning. Where is the ghost of Aunt Pitty Pat when you need her?
Okay, I almost defected on that one…
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Folks, the thing is, what the bordering states did in response to Katrina was a HUGE and MASSIVE testament to the wisdom of the founding fathers about creating a republic,federalism, states’ rights.
The surrounding states were all better prepared for such a disaster, offered to help, begged to help.
And why didn’t it happen? LA failed as a state and with the growth of federal government power, everybody looked to someone else to take responsibility.
This should have been a huge wake-up to our nation about the balance of power between the states and a central government.