Orwellian title of the day

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 21, 2009 01:11 PM

It doesn’t get much more dishonest than this:

“Reducing the Need for Abortions Initiative.”

Steven Ertelt reports on the abortion bailout bill disguised as “pro-life” legislation:

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat who is a former NARAL staffer, and Rep. Tim Ryan, an Ohio Democrat whom Democrats for Life of America recently kicked off its board, are behind the bill.

The legislation is nothing new as Ryan and DeLauro took a Democrats for Life initiative and changed it so much that it sent millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion business.

The bill is strong on rhetoric, but its particulars are so bad that Rep. Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican who heads the pro-life caucus of lawmakers in the House, told the Copely News Service in 2006 that the measure would “lead to more abortions, not less” and said pro-life lawmakers won’t support it.

He found it hypocritical that federal funds would go to abortion centers where “in one room, they talk contraception, and in the other room, they kill your baby.”

Rep. James Oberstar, a Minnesota Democrat who is the co-chairman of the House Pro-Life Caucus and the kind of moderate lawmaker the measure is designed to appeal to, wouldn’t support it either.

Ryan also told Copely at the time that he asked several major pro-life groups to join him in supporting the bill, but none would take the bait because of the money dedicated to Planned Parenthood.

The bill appears to be designed to provide abortion advocates and President Barack Obama cover for his extensive pro-abortion record.

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  1. #749891
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    How about a bill called “Reducing the carbon emissions of liberal politicians and judges”. I’ll leave it to your imagination on the details of such a bill.

  2. #749893
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    “And little baby gooses too.” “I read about ‘dem… they come from Germany… the Goosetapo.”
    - Larry & Curly (YOKE’S ON ME, THE, 1944)

  3. #749899
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:25 pm, tarpon said:

    I suggest we reduce the carbon emissions and the noise levels from liberals, super glue their lips together, save the planet.

  4. #749900
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pm, Ragspierre said:

    It should be a matter of some perverse encouragement that the Collective has to LIE about who they are and what they intend to do.

    I take heart in the fact that the American people have to be deceived. They are not in favor…as these collectivists demonstrate…of the thing in which the Collective believe.

    Now, if we can KEEP the American people from being deceived…

  5. #749901
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pm, Laree said:

    Ghouls

  6. #749904
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pm, purplepeep said:

    Anytime you see the term “Initiative” you just know nothing good will likely come of it.

  7. #749906
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:33 pm, Speakup said:

    Yea right, guarding the abortion clinic door with NARAL staffer.

    Fox meet henhouse.

  8. #749913
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:45 pm, J S Ragman said:

    It doesn’t get much more dishonest than this:

    “Reducing the Need for Abortions Initiative.”

    Oh, I don’t know, Michelle. If they abort enough female babies now, then 18+ years from now, we might not have as many women of childbearing age that need abortions. Mathematically correct, but a despicable sales practice nonetheless.

  9. #749923
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:57 pm, infallible said:

    97% of Planned Parenthood patients (that’s people, not procedures) have nothing to do with abortion. Their main focus is on prevention and health, so supporting that work means preventing abortions.

    You guys love missing the big picture because you perceive a scratch on the frame.

  10. #749927
    On July 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    I suggest we reduce the carbon emissions and the noise levels from liberals, super glue their lips together, save the planet

    That’s a good start…for complete noise level reductions, lets not forget their other orifices : )

  11. #749932
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Liberals would make good NFL running backs. Fake right then run left.

  12. #749933
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm, Rorschach said:

    I have not found any original source verification of this yet (not for lack of trying.) but I have been told and have read on the Intarwebs that AARP has been funding PP as well. Which is kind of ironic if you think about it. programs that AARP supports like Medicare and SS all rely on a steady diet of taxes collected on those who are working to pay for them. the reason why SS is soon to be bankrupt is the falling number of new workers entering the workforce compared to the rising number of retirees sucking on Uncle Sam’s teat (or more likely, some other appendage). So if few children are being born, there will be even fewer new workers to pay for Uncle Sugar’s largesse.

  13. #749935
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:04 pm, California Red said:

    Other Dishonest Titles For Legislation:

    Employee Free Choice Act
    American Clean Energy and Security Act

    And if they cant give it an inaaposite title then they come up with a cute acronym for it:

    The DREAM Act
    The PATRIOT Act

    All along, the public fails to see that our nations treasure is being plundered and our individual rights usurped. They don’t even read the legislation.

  14. #749936
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:05 pm, purplepeep said:

    J S Ragman said:

    It doesn’t get much more dishonest than this:

    “Reducing the Need for Abortions Initiative.”

    Oh, I don’t know, Michelle. If they abort enough female babies now, then 18+ years from now, we might not have as many women of childbearing age that need abortions. Mathematically correct, but a despicable sales practice nonetheless.

    Interestingly enough, this actually has become somewhat of a problem in Communist China where male children are “preferred” over female children in the one-child dictatorship, when the decision to carry a child to term is made. (Male heirs make better providers, if nothing else)

    Even if China were to encourage an overwhelmingly male population to go gay in an attempt to try to establish some form of ersatz social stability down the road – it’s obvious even that dire road would be problematic, to say the least. Going from one-child to no-children at all is a deathwish for any nation.

    Of course, they could go total Brave New World and establish asexual “hatcheries”, but I dunno that would be sustainable either.

  15. #749944
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:10 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    infallible said:

    97% of Planned Parenthood patients (that’s people, not procedures) have nothing to do with abortion. Their main focus is on prevention and health, so supporting that work means preventing abortions.

    You guys love missing the big picture because you perceive a scratch on the frame.

    So then how many babies killed per week equals a scratch on the frame?

  16. #749946
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:12 pm, Joy said:

    bailout bill disguesed as “pro-life” legislation:

    Michelle – Typo alert

  17. #749950
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Of course, they could go total Brave New World and establish asexual “hatcheries”, but I dunno that would be sustainable either.

    Likely no need. Remember the Hero Mother during the Soviet Union’s need for more canon fodder.

    When you are in the Collective, you will do what the Collective directs.

  18. #749955
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Ragspierre said:

    You guys love missing the big picture because you perceive a scratch on the frame.

    Yeah. Kinda like asking, “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how’d you like the show”?

  19. #749958
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pm, spaceycakes said:

    ‘He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.’–Paul Atreides

  20. #749965
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Their main focus is on prevention and health, so supporting that work means preventing abortions.

    Absolute bollocks.

  21. #749968
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:22 pm, love2rumba said:

    Yea right, guarding the abortion clinic door with NARAL staffer.

    Fox meet henhouse.

    No! A vampire becomes a security guard at a bloodbank is more like it.

  22. #749969
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:22 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Their main focus is on prevention and health, so supporting that work means preventing abortions.

    Which includes pushing the hormonal sledgehammer of birth-control on under-aged girls without any parental in-put.

    Or am I mistaken…?

  23. #749971
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:24 pm, granite said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:10 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    So then how many babies killed per week equals a scratch on the frame?

    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Ragspierre said:

    You guys love missing the big picture because you perceive a scratch on the frame.

    Yeah. Kinda like asking, “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how’d you like the show”?

    Excellent rejoinders!

    If I wore a hat, I’d tip it.

  24. #749974
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:27 pm, st_james said:

    I can see the logic. More abortions now = less abortions later. Do them dems realize they are killing off their constituency.

  25. #749993
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:43 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    I can see the logic. More abortions now = less abortions later. Do them dems realize they are killing off their constituency.

    And so the reason for enthusiastic support of amensty for illegals and waves of lowly or non-educated third-wordl immigrants who’s minds can be shaped to conform to the progressives needs.

    If their constituency isn’t naturally born within the borders in the numbers needed…reach out!

  26. #750004
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:55 pm, infallible said:

    I have to wonder how many complaints here have actually looked into what Planned Parenthood does rather than have a visceral reaction based on perceptions and third-hand information.

    There seems to be this idea that Planned Parenthood is filled with sadists that kidnap children just to butcher them, but that really isn’t the case. When I quoted that 97% figure, it wasn’t a guess or exaggeration. That’s actually what they do. Every time I’ve seen them out around town, their focus has consistently been on education and health. They’ve been demonized because of abortion, but all that overshadows their work towards prevention above all else. The impression I’ve gotten in talking to people that work there is that they’d love it if there was no need for people to get an abortion because people were educated about prevention and used the things necessary to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

    I do find it funny that the typical conservative position is to oppose both abortion and contraceptive education. If you really wanted to have less abortions out there, then you’d be educating children on how to prevent getting pregnant in the first place, and you’d be doing it with more than the proven-ineffective “sex iz bad” rhetoric.

  27. #750005
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:56 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Coming next?

    “The Working Conditions for Clinic Workers Improvement Act.”

    This bill would allocate Federal funds to clinics to provide sound proof rooms so babies who survive abortions can be stored until they die. This will eliminate the crying and gasping that might otherwise impact clinic worker productivity.

  28. #750007
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:58 pm, Flyoverman said:

    You guys love missing the big picture because you perceive a scratch on the frame.

    Thank you mother for not making you a “scratch on the frame.”

  29. #750008
    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:59 pm, spaceycakes said:

    97% of Planned Parenthood patients (that’s people, not procedures) have nothing to do with abortion.

    is this info verifiable?

  30. #750016
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pm, Flyoverman said:

    If you really wanted to have less abortions out there, then you’d be educating children on how to prevent getting pregnant in the first place

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5609a1.htm

    Refer to Table 4

    According to the CDC, only 21.1% of all legal abortions occur among women age 19 and under.

    Facts can be an inconvenient thing at times………

  31. #750019
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:09 pm, granite said:

    …proven-ineffective “sex iz bad” rhetoric.

    1) Who at this blog ever said that sex is bad?

    2) As far as I am aware, STDs have increased; the number of births to single mothers has increased; and the percentage of births to single mothers has skyrocketed, since the introduction of sex “education” 30-40 years ago.

    You don’t advocate pouring yet more gasoline on the fire started by opposite-worldview holders as the way to extinguish it,…do you?

  32. #750023
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:13 pm, J S Ragman said:

    I do find it funny that the typical conservative position is to oppose both abortion and contraceptive education. If you really wanted to have less abortions out there, then you’d be educating children on how to prevent getting pregnant in the first place, and you’d be doing it with more than the proven-ineffective “sex iz bad” rhetoric.

    Well, the typical liberal freewheeling, “sex iz good” rhetoric doesn’t seem to be too effective in reducing abortions either, as evidenced by the Planned Parenthood annual report listing a record 305,310 abortions performed in 2007-2008.

  33. #750025
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:16 pm, Yashmak said:

    Their main focus is on prevention and health, so supporting that work means preventing abortions.

    You guys love missing the big picture because you perceive a scratch on the frame.

    Indeed. Most of their business is in providing pre-natal care for pregnant women who aren’t considering abortion. While the 3% figure is only true if you hold that anyone who gets a condom or packet of pills, or any service whatsoever, is included, Dr. Randall O’Bannon (NRL News, Apr 2009, Vol 36 pg 5) holds that it’s still only about 1 in 10 Planned Parenthood customers that seek abortion, the balance (9 in 10) seeking pre-natal care or contraceptive services. I’d trust that number, given the decidedly pro-life leanings of the article as a whole.

  34. #750029
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pm, infallible said:

    Flyoverman said:
    Thank you mother for not making you a “scratch on the frame.”

    Fortunately, I was planned for and wanted, but you miss the point of what I’m posting. If you want to prevent abortions, then you’d support Planned Parenthood’s efforts in prevention and health, rather than immediately start screaming “babykillers” every time their name is mentioned.

  35. #750033
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:22 pm, spaceycakes said:

    rather than immediately start screaming “babykillers” every time their name is mentioned.

    Why not? Isn’t killing babies what they do?

  36. #750034
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:22 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:09 pm, granite said:
    You don’t advocate pouring yet more gasoline on the fire started by opposite-worldview holders as the way to extinguish it,…do you?

    Of course that is what is being advocated.

    In the same family of all the other failed social programs – we (kinda) know it’s been a failure in the past but we’re just sure we’ll do it right THIS time.
    Socialism has never been a successful societal model in the past but we just know we’ll do it right now.

  37. #750035
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:24 pm, atheling said:

    Re: “infallible”:

    Here’s another “scratch on the frame”:

    Planned Parenthood does not report statutory rape.

    A 14 year old girl having sex with her 22 year old soccer coach – and PP covers it up and refuses to report it to the authorities.

    I suppose you see nothing wrong with adults having sex with children. PP doesn’t. This omission by them is not just one incident, either.

    Yeah, I do think they are BAD. And you’re certainly not infallible.

  38. #750036
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:25 pm, infallible said:

    spaceycakes said:
    Why not? Isn’t killing babies what they do?

    Of course they don’t, which is exactly my point. The VAST majority of what they do is health care and prevention and completely and totally unrelated to abortions.

  39. #750040
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:28 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Of course they don’t, which is exactly my point.

    Soooo…PP doesn’t do abortions?

    (spaceycakes looks sideways at sonofdy, Ragspierre and Rogue Cheddar)

  40. #750044
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:31 pm, lewisge said:

    Folks… it’s just being reduced in favor of killing off the baby-boomer generation with Obama DeathCare.

  41. #750045
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:31 pm, vsatt said:

    the balance (9 in 10) seeking pre-natal care or contraceptive services.

    Sorry but that’s a lousy place to have to go for prenatal care. Somehow I doubt a positive pregnancy test is greeted with the same smiles, congratulations and goody bags that I get at my OB’s office.

  42. #750046
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:31 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:25 pm, infallible said:

    Of course they don’t, which is exactly my point. The VAST majority of what they do is health care and prevention and completely and totally unrelated to abortions.

    You see – they really aren’t bank robbers – they only stole a little of the money. They left most of it behind – plus they even held the door for the little old lady who was coming in as they were leaving.

  43. #750048
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:33 pm, atheling said:

    infallible also fails to note PP’s ignoble founder and the reason for its existence.

    At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

    Sanger’s other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as “scientific” and “humanitarian.” And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America’s human “breeding stock” and purging America’s “bad strains.” These “strains” included the “shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South.”

    Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as “unfit,” a plan she said would be the “salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were “irresponsible and reckless,” among whom she included those ” whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers.” She further contended that “there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.” That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered “unfit” cannot be easily refuted.

    While Planned Parenthood’s current apologists try to place some distance between the eugenics and birth control movements, history definitively says otherwise. The eugenic theme figured prominently in the Birth Control Review, which Sanger founded in 1917. She published such articles as “Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics” (June 1920), “The Eugenic Conscience” (February 1921), “The purpose of Eugenics” (December 1924), “Birth Control and Positive Eugenics” (July 1925), “Birth Control: The True Eugenics” (August 1928), and many others.

    In light of its history and goals, it is no accident that PP deliberately places many of its “abortion outlets” in black neighborhoods.

  44. #750053
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:37 pm, Flyoverman said:

    If you want to prevent abortions, then you’d support Planned Parenthood’s efforts in prevention and health, rather than immediately start screaming “babykillers” every time their name is mentioned.

    Your logic is non-sequitor. There is no compromise on killing. Sorry, I do not do that. It does not matter if PP spends 99% of their time doing the things you describe.

    It’s kind of like, even if I acknowledged all of the good Ted Kennedy may have done, I will not give him a pass for abandoning a young woman, who was a member of his staff to drown.

    If Planned Parenthood stopped aborting babies, covering up statutory rapes, and signed a declaration rejecting the eugenics beliefs of its founder, I will write them a generous check tomorrow.

  45. #750058
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, infallible said:

    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby. Words have meanings, so try to use the proper one in context.

    But I suppose my point is, when referring to the article about which we’re posting, that funding Planned Parenthood’s prevention and health programs actually DOES prevent abortions. Educating people, especially young people, on how to prevent pregnancy will lead you and PP to a mutual goal of preventing the need for another abortion. The 97% figure that I referenced is just for their clinics, and doesn’t even address the work they do in the community educating people.

    (I’ll note that government has no place funding any private organizations at all, whether I agree with their aims or not.)

  46. #750061
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:48 pm, atheling said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, infallible said:
    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby. Words have meanings, so try to use the proper one in context.

    Do you know what the word, “fetus” means?

    It’s Latin for “little one”. And they weren’t referring to little tomatoes.

  47. #750071
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:52 pm, dominigan said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 2:55 pm, infallible said:

    A short story to illustrate your comment…

    A mother is having a discussion with her daughter about Planned Parenthood, after finding out that her daughter’s class discussed the organization in their sex-ed class.

    DAUGHTER: “But mother, they provide so many other good services! Why do you always focus on only that 3% of what they do?”

    MOTHER: “Tell you what, let me see if I can explain it to you…”

    …Later…

    …The smell of brownies fill the air…

    DAUGHTER: “Those brownies smell delicious! Can I have some?”

    MOTHER: “Sure, but first you should probably know… before I baked them, I had to cleanup dog poop in the garage. It’s pretty obvious I need to get some worming medicine for Fido… there were nasty things crawling all over in his poop.”

    DAUGHTER: “GROSS! Why are you telling me this? I just want a brownie!”

    MOTHER: “Because when I mixed up the batch, I put some of his wormy poop in the brownie mix and in the chocolate layer on top. But don’t worry, it’s only a small bit, the rest is all good. Go ahead and have some!”

    DAUGHTER: …?

    On average, almost 4,000 babies A DAY are butchered in this country. Planned Parenthood performs the majority of that killing, and makes a lot of money from it.

    Will you take a bite of the brownie, confident that 97% is “good”?

    Or like me, do you find it so disgusting that you can’t even allow it anywhere in the house?…

    …and can’t understand why people flock to those brownies, even when they know the ingredients!

  48. #750077
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:57 pm, dominigan said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, infallible said:

    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby. Words have meanings, so try to use the proper one in context.

    My 2nd daughter was a premie, born 2 1/2 months early. She weighed 2 lbs, 10 3/4 oz. You could hold her in one hand.

    She is now an intelligent young woman, who is getting married in the fall.

    You are not only FALLIBLE, but also MISINFORMED and ILLOGICAL.

    You are trying to argue whether someone is human, based upon their location (either inside or outside). It is a ridiculous argument at best… barbaric and evil at worst…

  49. #750080
    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:58 pm, atheling said:

    infallible uses the same “logic” used by Hitler, slave traders and other barbarians throughout history.

    “infallible”, indeed.

  50. #750082
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:00 pm, dominigan said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, infallible said:

    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby. Words have meanings, so try to use the proper one in context.

    And by the way… you are correct in one area… words DO have meanings.

    “Fetus” describes a stage in the development of a human being. Just because it is a fetus does NOT mean that it is not human… any more than infant, toddler, teenager, adult or senior do.

  51. #750089
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:08 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Thank you, infallible. My work here is done.

  52. #750110
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:21 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby.

    Prove it beyond all doubt.

    Logically your response will be to challenge me prove a fetus is a baby, beyond all doubt. I cannot. However, here is what I would like you to consider:

    What are the consequences if I am wrong?
    What are the consequences if you are wrong?

    You see infallible, I am pro-choice. I choose to err on the side of caution, because that is almost always the prudent course in life. I also do not want a physician to unknowingly violate this section of the Modern Hippocritic oath.

    “I will follow that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.”

    http://www.geocities.com/everwild7/noharm.html

  53. #750116
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:25 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I’ll note that government has no place funding any private organizations at all, whether I agree with their aims or not.

    Infallible, a hat tip on that point. I agree totally.

    Once a government starts to pick and choose, the outcome is never good.

  54. #750119
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pm, atheling said:

    The fetus has memory.

  55. #750167
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:56 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    the blood of 50 million fetuses on their hands

  56. #750170
    On July 21st, 2009 at 4:58 pm, cheapseat said:

    when your 15 year old can be taken by a teacher out of school across state lines and taken to a pp clinic for an abortion without the child’s parents ever knowing a thing. the parents think little jill is in school learning the 3 r’s, while in reality some teacher has kidnapped their child and taken them across state lines for a medical procedure which could kill her. we have to have some rational rules in this arena, and we won’t get them if sotomayor and obama keep packing the court with legislators.

  57. #750182
    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:07 pm, infallible said:

    atheling said:
    infallible uses the same “logic” used by Hitler, slave traders and other barbarians throughout history.

    I’m surprised it took this long to Godwin this thread. Thanks!

  58. #750188
    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:12 pm, infallible said:

    I’m not here to get into a debate about abortion with you guys. My point in coming here was to note that if you want to decrease the number of abortions, then the best way is through education on prevention like what Planned Parenthood spends most of their time doing.

    Rather than counterproductive abstinence-only education, we should be teaching people (kids and adults) about how to prevent the pregnancy from happening with medically-accurate information. Education and prevention both work at preventing unwanted pregnancy, and I think that’s a laudable goal that we can all agree upon.

  59. #750201
    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:25 pm, spaceycakes said:

    A speck of dust is nothing compared to the sand dune of death.

  60. #750232
    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:44 pm, granite said:

    …if you want to decrease the number of abortions, then the best way is through education on prevention like what Planned Parenthood….

    In your opinion…which is wrong.

    Rather than counterproductive abstinence-only education,….

    In your opnion…which is wrong.

  61. #750241
    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:49 pm, atheling said:

    Abstinence-only worked for hundreds of years, if not for millenia, and it didn’t result in the high level of out of wedlock births and millions of aborted babies which we have today.

    Get your facts right.

  62. #750249
    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pm, atheling said:

    We’ve tried your method for the past 40+ years and got nowhere. In fact, we’re worse off because of the social and economic devastation that “free love” has wreaked on the West. STDs, babies found in dumpsters, millions of aborted babies, abandoned babies, impoverished, single parent families…

    A complete mess. And you want us to swallow the crap sandwich you’re trying to sell us?

    Ludicrous.

  63. #750264
    On July 21st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, infallible said:

    You guys win. There was no such thing as syphilis, chlamydia or gonorrhea before the 60s. There were no shotgun weddings before the 60s. None of that stuff. And even if there were, WHICH THERE WEREN’T, the spread of them couldn’t possibly be attributed to a lack of education.

    And you act like I’m talking about teaching kids how to host a kickass orgy. I’m not. But they need to know about condoms, birth control, and other means of prevention (yes, including abstinence, just not exclusively abstinence).

    There’s this claim I’ve heard here a couple times that abstinence education works so well. If that’s the case, then why is it that you find a correlation of higher rates of teen pregnancy and *repeat* teen pregnancy in places with locations where there is no comprehensive sex education?

    Lastly, how is ANY education bad? What possible benefit comes from limit what these kids learn?

    You guys have your fingers in your ears about this stuff.

  64. #750313
    On July 21st, 2009 at 7:07 pm, atheling said:

    infallible:

    So far you’re batting zero.

    I never said there was no such thing as STDs or out of wedlock births; I said that the LEVELS were NOWHERE back then as they are now.

    We’ve tried your liberal experiment and it has failed miserably. The last 40 years has proven that.

    Your lies, obfuscations, and straw men are BS.

    And regarding your commonality with Hitler: if the show fits…

  65. #750314
    On July 21st, 2009 at 7:07 pm, atheling said:

    “shoe”, that is.

  66. #750316
    On July 21st, 2009 at 7:10 pm, atheling said:

    BTW, “education” is worthless if it doesn’t teach kids morality.

    Of course, that means nothing to you, since you are an avid Planned Parenthood apologist, who can’t even argue or debate its awful record regarding rape, abortion, and racism. You ignore those evils. Why should we listen to anything you have to say?

    Really, you have NO credibility.

  67. #750350
    On July 21st, 2009 at 7:51 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I can say with 100% certainty, if abstinence is practiced, there will be zero risk of pregnancy and zero risk of sexually transmitted diseases.
    Try to beat (or even meet) those risk statistics by your method infallible.
    Abstinence is the ONLY 100% sure method.

  68. #750364
    On July 21st, 2009 at 8:02 pm, Papa Louie said:

    “Reducing the Need for Abortions Initiative.”

    Liberal translation:
    Perform enough abortions and eventually you reduce the population. A smaller population reduces the overall need for abortions.

    Whether it’s abortion, global warming, or protecting the environment, what liberals are most concerned about is over-population. The ultimate solution to every problem is to reduce the population, especially among undesireables:

    “Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”
    – Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg; Jul 7, 2009; New York Times Magazine

  69. #750459
    On July 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pm, graysonret said:

    It would seem to me that today’s liberal politician would be against abortion: more people growing up indoctrinated into the “greatness” of a socialist system and future voters for their politics.

  70. #750477
    On July 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm, jangar said:

    Ryan and DeLauro -

    Professional Liars…it’s a Democrat thing.

  71. #750483
    On July 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm, infidel4life said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, infallible said:

    You guys have your fingers in your ears about this stuff.

    Speaking of anatomy, I think you pulled that 97% figure out of your ass.

  72. #750485
    On July 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pm, thefoundingfathers said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, infallible said:
    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby. Words have meanings, so try to use the proper one in context.

    From the Declaration of Indepedence:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. – John Adams

    The founding fathers and principles of this nation are in direct opposition to an organization such as planned parenthood. I am sure if you ask any of the founders or authors of the US COnstitution you will find them to be very much against the idea of aborting unborn children.

    All great nations and civilization who wander and talk themselves away from the basic moral and principles that human civilzation has lived by for thousand of years, became another pile in the ash heap of history.

    Yes words mean things, but actions speak louder. We are seeing this every day now in our country. The politicians want you to listen to what they are saying, but don’t watch what they are doing.

  73. #750503
    On July 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm, Papa Louie said:

    infallible said:

    Well, I guess this is the point where I note that a fetus is not a baby.

    And a child is not an adult, but that doesn’t give you the right to kill children. A child, just like a fetus, will develop into an adult if YOU DON’T KILL IT.

  74. #750577
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On July 21st, 2009 at 5:07 pm, infallible said:

    I’m surprised it took this long to Godwin this thread. Thanks!

    You just hate it when we use liberal tactics against you, don’cha?

    On July 21st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, infallible said:

    Lastly, how is ANY education bad? What possible benefit comes from limit what these kids learn?

    When it’s all lies, propaganda, and bullsh** it’s bad. Real bad. Mind bending bad. Trampling on the constitution and saying “it’s for the chirrin” bad. Electing a freaking foreign national as president bad.

    Next time, instead of mindlessly participating in an Orwellian nightmare try reading his book, you just might get the whole idea behind “four legs good, two legs bad”…

    Nah, just kidding, if you’re a liberal you won’t have a clue before or after reading it.

  75. #750618
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 7:03 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Yes infallible we have heard all that nonsense before-although I prefer the word LIE to nonsense.
    -Sex education will reduce unwanted pregnancies
    -Passing out contraceptives in the schools will reduce unwanted pregnancies
    -Birthing centers and day care in the schools will reduce unwanted pregnancies
    -Funding Abortion mills will reduce unwanted pregnancies

    So just how much have unwanted pregnancies, single mother homes and STDs decreased in the last 20/30/40 years? How are we doing on the welfare/Aid to Dependent Children front?

    Yes infallible we had all these problems in the sixties but you and yours have raised illegitimate birth, STDs and welfare to a Religious Rite. And it is NOT a scratch on a picture frame–it is a baby, or as our Liberals prefer “pulsating mass of maggots.”. Killing maggots acceptable?

  76. #750722
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 am, spaceycakes said:

    There is only one lie that needs singling out on this thread & it was exposed earlier up.

    infallible said that PP aren’t ‘baby killers’.

    I asked if they did abortions.

    infallible polished the turd & replied that ‘97%’ of what PP does is ‘educate’ (didn’t answer the question).

    So, the lie is that PP are not ‘baby killers’.
    If they do one abortion, they have killed a baby.
    infallible simply wants us to stop shouting ‘baby killers!’ and start shouting ‘fetus killers!’.

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