Obamacare for illegal aliens

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 22, 2009 10:56 AM

Obamacare for illegal aliens
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009

Big Nanny Democrats want to ration health care for everyone in America – except those who break our immigration laws. Last week, the House Ways and Means Committee defeated an amendment that would have prevented illegal aliens from using the so-called “public health insurance option.” Every Democrat on the panel voted against the measure.

Nevada GOP Rep. Dean Heller’s measure would have enforced income, eligibility, and immigration verification screening on all Obamacare patients. Unlike most everything else stuffed into the House Democrats’ plan, the citizenship vetting process would not have required building a new bureaucracy. Rep. Heller proposed using existing state and federal databases created years ago to root out entitlement fraud.

If the congressional majority were truly committed to President Obama’s quest to wring cost savings from the system, why won’t they adopt the same anti-fraud checks imposed on other government health and welfare beneficiaries? Maybe an intrepid reporter can ask the president at his next Obamacare show to explain.

The Democratic leadership denies that an estimated 12-20 million illegal immigrants will receive taxpayer-subsidized health insurance coverage. Senate Finance Committee Chair Sen. Max Baucus (D-Montana) calls the proposition “too politically explosive.”

But President Obama lit the fuse in February when he signed the massive expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). That law loosened eligibility requirements for legal immigrants and their children by watering down document and evidentiary standards – making it easy for individuals to use fake Social Security cards to apply for benefits with little to no chance of getting caught. In addition, Obama’s S-CHIP expansion revoked Medicaid application time limits that were part of the 1996 welfare reform law. Immigration activists see the provisions as first steps toward universal coverage for illegals.

“Explosive?” The applause certainly was. President Obama’s praise of the weakened immigrant eligibility rules drew the strongest claps and cheers from members of Congress at the SCHIP signing event.

Immigration analyst James R. Edwards, Jr. reported last week in National Review that “no health legislation on the table requires federal, state, or local agencies — or private institutions receiving federal funds — to check the immigration status of health-program applicants, so some of the money distributed via Medicaid and tax credits inevitably would go to illegal aliens.” Moreover, the Senate Finance Committee plan creates a new preference for illegal aliens by exempting them from the mandate to buy insurance.

That’s right. Law-abiding, uninsured Americans would be fined if they didn’t submit to the Obamacare prescription. Law-breaking border-crossers, visa-overstayers, and deportation fugitives would be spared.

The solution is not to give them health insurance, but to turn off the magnets that draw them to enter illegally in the first place.

For years, advocates of uncontrolled immigration have argued that illegal aliens are not getting free health care and that even if they were, they are not draining government budgets. The fiscal crisis in California gives lie to those talking points. In March, the Associated Press reported that Sacramento and Contra Costa counties were slashing staff and closing clinics due to the prohibitive costs of providing non-emergency health services for illegal immigrants.

“The general situation there is being faced by nearly every health department across the country, and if not right now, shortly,” Robert M. Pestronk, executive director of the National Association of County and City Health Officials, told the AP. Indeed. The Texas state comptroller put the price tag for illegal alien hospital care at $1.3 billion in 2006. USA Today reported that from 2001 to 2004, spending for emergency Medicaid for illegal immigrants rose by 28% in North Carolina alone. Clinics across the Midwest have also been shuttered under the weight of illegal immigrant care costs.

At a time when Democrat leaders are pushing rationed care in a world of limited resources, Americans might wonder where the call for shared sacrifice is from illegal immigrant patients like those in Los Angeles getting free liver and kidney transplants at UCLA Medical Center. “I’m just mad,” illegal alien Jose Lopez told the Los Angeles Times last year after receiving two taxpayer-subsidized liver transplants while impatiently awaiting approval for state health insurance.

Now, multiply that sense of entitlement by 12-20 million illegal immigrants. Welcome to the open-borders Obamacare nightmare.

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  1. #1
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 10:59 am, Socky said:

    Dear Leader is getting testy, telling ObamaCare skeptics: “You’re going to destroy my presidency!

  2. #2
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am, Ragspierre said:

    This monstrosity…and the monsters behind it…have to be stopped.

    We cannot allow this.

  3. #3
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 am, Socky said:

    Also, the “You’re going to destroy my presidency” quote, if true, validates what Jim DeMint is being criticized for saying, doesn’t it?

  4. #4
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 am, sonofdy said:

    Dear Leader is getting testy, telling ObamaCare skeptics: “You’re going to destroy my presidency!“

    Sonofdy replies, for the good of the country I sure hope so.

    Anyway we always knew illegals would be included in the healthcare. Thats the “policitaly correct” thing to do. As opposed to the correct thing to do. After all its bankrupting California, so it must be good for the rest of the country right? No I can’t figure that logic out either.

  5. #5
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    “Why you, Na-Ratzies!”
    - Moe (BACK FROM THE FRONT, 1943)

  6. #6
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am, jrgdds said:

    Oh good. Just what we need. More anchor babies on our dime.

  7. #7
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    “You won’t know the joint when you get back.”
    - Moe (BIRD IN THE HEAD, A, 1946)

  8. #8
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 am, nosheep said:

    “Maybe an intrepid reporter can ask the president at his next Obamacare show to explain.”
    Major Garrett…Are you listening?

  9. #9
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 am, Flyoverman said:

    California stupidity on a national scale. It’s all about getting votes to keep yourself in power permanently.

    This has to be stopped long enough to regain the House and Senate in 2010 and equally important, drive out as many Democrat governors and seize majorities in state legislatures as possible.

    I hope darn well we destroy his presidency. It’s him or us; survival of the fitess. Hardball politics with no quarter asked or given.

    People like Grassley need to put on their body armor and get into the fight or they can just go away as well in the primaries.

  10. #10
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:16 am, nail49 said:

    “All for one!” “One for all!” “Every man for himself!”

    Larry, Moe and Curly (RESTLESS KNIGHTS, 1935)

  11. #11
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 am, JonB said:

    I don’t buy the “10 to 20″million illegal immigrants. it’s got to be way more than that now.
    Taking care of illegals is so far out of hand there’s doubt it will ever get back under control. The drooling TV-obsessed citizens of this country are being suckered out of every thing they own, and they are to stupid to know it.

  12. #12
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Anyway we always knew illegals would be included in the healthcare.

    Of course, and they won’t be “illegal” anymore, amnesty will see to that, including automatic Democrat Party memgership.

    And, anyway, Obamanoncare along with Crap and Trade destroying the economy and jobs – the incentives for immigrating to the USA should diminish, as what would be the point of leaving one third wolrd banana republic for another?

  13. #13
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:19 am, tarpon said:

    I had a discussion last night, you don’t think the government sponsored healthcare won’t use your healthcare records against you?

  14. #14
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am, jjmurphy said:

    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am, Ragspierre said:

    This monstrosity…and the monsters behind it…have to be stopped.

    We cannot allow this.

    Agree completely. This cannot be allowed to pass in ANY form.

  15. #15
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am, Ragspierre said:

    Opposition has grown from 45% in late June to 49% two weeks ago and 53% today.

    As in earlier surveys, those with strong opinions are more likely to oppose the plan rather than support it. The current numbers: 24% strongly favor and 37% strongly oppose.

    Rasmussen

    The sleeping center of America is waking up.

    Polls show confidence in this administration is eroding very quickly, and across the board.

    We need to keep up the process of educating our friends, neighbors and families.

  16. #16
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 am, Durangodarlin said:

    The fact that our government ignores other countries’ unsuccessful health coverage programs and continues to push for universal health care and includes illegal aliens in the plan for us tells me this is not about health care or the economy. This is a power grab.

    Common sense left the federal government long ago.

  17. #17
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 am, letget said:

    HA has the d’s have cancelled the 2nd markup meeting today. Just in time for bho prime time lie tonight. Love it!
    L

  18. #18
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:32 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    If the congressional majority were truly committed to President Obama’s quest to wring cost savings from the system, why won’t they adopt the same anti-fraud checks imposed on other government health and welfare beneficiaries?

    It’s all about power. Shovel benefits to a large and growing demographic and the (illegal) votes will keep on comin’.

    I’m SICK of it.

  19. #19
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:33 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Dear Leader is getting testy, telling ObamaCare skeptics: “You’re going to destroy my presidency!“

    Boo-freakin’-hoo. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

    You’re attempting to destroy the American economy and health care systems, among other things (like the 1st and 2nd Amendments). The millions of people who voted against you count more than your ego.

  20. #20
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 am, JonB said:

    You know, the Dems and RINO’s will just keep rearranging stuff until it passes. What I want to know is why is Obama so obsessed with getting it through by a certain timeframe?

  21. #21
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 am, Ragspierre said:

    Dear Leader is getting testy, telling ObamaCare skeptics: “You’re going to destroy my presidency!“

    But…but…this isn’t about him…!!!

  22. #22
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 am, Ragspierre said:

    What I want to know is why is Obama so obsessed with getting it through by a certain timeframe?

    “Slip-sliding away…slip-sliding away…”

    He knows he has…maybe had…only a certain amount of time and political capital to cram crap into our system.

    The time to reverse this bilge…and I mean the last 60 years of bilge…is coming.

  23. #23
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 am, Southpaw said:

    “Dear Leader is getting testy, telling ObamaCare skeptics: “You’re going to destroy my presidency!”

    Porkulus destroyed his presidency. He just doesn’t know it yet.

    If Obamacare is good enough for all those fine, upstanding illegal immigrants, it’s good enough for Congress.

  24. #24
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:40 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “It’s all about getting votes to keep yourself in power permanently.”

    That’s right. And its not even about what that which these politicians have power over actually looks like. It matters not that they are reducing America and its prosperity. What matters is the political class stays in power. If it takes tearing down a prosperous and free American and remaking it into a socialist European like nation to do so, the political class will jump on board IF at the end of the day they think they preserve and increase their power.

    Power and staying in power is the only goal of all this stuff. While Obama and his leftist buddies are doing things that reveal that quite clearly, the strategy and the efforts of the political class to preserve and stay in power is not new to Obama.

    McCain-Feingold anyone?

  25. #25
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    The time to reverse this bilge…and I mean the last 60 years of bilge…is coming.

    I think it would take a large and sustained Republican majority in both houses for many years to fix this crap. And it would have to be with concientious, loyal, steadfast conservatives, not crooks like Denny Hastert or wimps like Bill Frist.

  26. #26
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am, nail49 said:

    You’re going to destroy my presidency!

    “Every time you think you weaken the nation.”
    - Moe (HALF-SHOT SHOOTERS, 1936)

  27. #27
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am, JonB said:

    Dexter, don’t forget the Supreme Court. Conservatives would need to control all three rings of the circus that is our government, and control them for decades to reverse this. The only other option is for a dictator to arise and get rid of the government, and rule with an iron fist backed by conservative views and morals.
    We would never be so fortunate.

  28. #28
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 am, akoypinoy said:

    Dear Mr. BHO aka POTUS,

    “You can fool all the people some of the time, most of the people all the time, but not all of the people all the time”

    MM, don’t let up, keep stoking the embers of freedom residing in our hearts. The rest of the country is waking up and pretty soon it will be a roaring fire of protest that BHO’s army of dimwits can’t stop.

  29. #29
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 am, Ragspierre said:

    TEGUCIGALPA, July 21 (Reuters) – The United States and Europe stepped up pressure on Honduras’ de facto government on Tuesday as deposed President Manuel Zelaya and his supporters called on Washington to pave the way for his return.

    With negotiations deadlocked and Zelaya vowing to return to Honduras within days, some fear Central America’s worst crisis since the end of the Cold War could flare into violence.

    Talks mediated by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias collapsed over the weekend but he hopes to bring both sides back to the negotiating table on Wednesday..

    The U.S. government threw its weight behind Arias’ proposal that Zelaya, who was toppled in a June 28 coup, be reinstated to set up a coalition government.

    Reuters

    This is slightly off topic, but not in the larger sense that THE ONE is rapidly screwing the pooch with the American people.

    They can see he has never met a totalitarian he didn’t suck up to, or a movement for freedom he didn’t want to “meddle in”…except on the wrong side.

  30. #30
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am, Ragspierre said:

    And it would have to be with concientious, loyal, steadfast conservatives, not crooks like Denny Hastert or wimps like Bill Frist.

    I mildly disagree. The force for that change has to come from us. And I do mean US. Anyone with the ideals of this country written in their heart has to become a razor…a sharp, bright, no-nonsense activist. We have to get up, get out, and get deadly serious.

    Or opposition is.

  31. #31
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm, Ralph Gizzip said:

    The point that needs to be hammered home time and again is that the Democrats are in favor of welfare fraud. Every single member of the GOP needs to repeat that point when being interviewed on the Sunday shows or elsewhere. Is it fair? Maybe not. Is it accurate? Damn betcha!

  32. #32
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    I think it would take a large and sustained Republican conservative majority in both houses for many years to fix this crap.

    Too many in the GOP, especially leadership, hasn’t really been conservative in ages.

    I don’t care what party….we need CONSERVATIVES who take constitutional republican (small r) government and public service in office seriously.

  33. #33
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    To the Obamination-and the whore John McCain- there are no illegal aliens-WE ARE THE WORLD. Those of us who have anything must submit to the collective and wear sack cloth and ash and repent of our sins of patriotism, materialism, violating Mother Earth and not having more abortions.

    Live in a grass hut, raise you own vegetables, sing silly songs and die young. ObamaCare will provide vaccinations and fight infectious disease for the prolitariate-broken arms and such will be set. But standard medicine, dental care and such must of course be reserved for the Party Leaders and those members of the media and arts who serve the state well.

    We are but maggots to the elite-easily replaceable. ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency’ Mr Kenya Cousin? Well Barry you are trying to destroy my country so welcome to the fight. I have an idea that man has never been told NO from his grandmother to college to now. It is about time we did so.

    Hey Barry: NO!

    And a happy McCain-Feingold to you jsmiddleton4. Proof that Wacky JohnnyMac has no more respect for the Constitution than BarryO.

  34. #34
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm, Regulus said:

    Michelle says:

    That’s right. Law-abiding, uninsured Americans would be fined if they didn’t submit to the Obamacare prescription. Law-breaking border-crossers, visa-overstayers, and deportation fugitives would be spared.

    A space alien who landed in this country and spent some time observing the effects of American policies toward illegals could be excused for concluding that Mexico had defeated the USA in a war, and was in the process of colonizing its conquests with the help of a puppet government.

  35. #35
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Hey, AZ, how’s the recuperation going?

  36. #36
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm, nail49 said:

    Is this work in competent hands?

    Coitainly, we’re all incompetent!

    Vernon Dent and Curly (SLIPPERY SILKS, 1936)

    Sounds more like POTUS and VPOTUS.

  37. #37
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm, Right By-The-Sea said:

    I wonder how many LEGAL US citizens died waiting for liver transplants, while the criminal illegal alien “Jose Lopez” received not one, but TWO taxpayer-funded liver transplants? This is

  38. #38
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm, Right By-The-Sea said:

    **sigh** I’m so mad about Senor Lopez stealing two healthy livers that I hit “submit” instead of “preview.”

    This is sickening. I have ZERO compassion for “Jose” and his ilk, and my message to them is “Go the hell back to whatever Third World cesspool you came from, and DON’T COME BACK, YA’ FRIGGIN’ THIEVES!!”

  39. #39
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm, prendad said:

    This is not about health care anymore, as if it ever was. This is about Obama’s ego. He does not care what is in the bill, only that his orders are complied with. He has decreed that health care be passed. So let it be written, so let it be done.

  40. #40
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm, cheapseat said:

    i’m sure that is i just mosey on up to canada, or down to mexico, and demand a liver transplant, i’m sure they would be happy to give me one, FREE. just as i’m sure they would love me to smuggle my employees into mexico and work off the books in their economy.

  41. #41
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm, Lindsay said:

    Just wait until the pandemic, when illegals will get free care ahead of taxpaying legal citizens!

    Taxpayer-funded, unreimbursed medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population amount to about 2 billion dollars a year, for education, incarceration, and health care.

    Each Florida taxpayer pays around $1800 a year for illegal alien services (from a 2005 report).By 2010 that cost is estimated to double to over $3000/year.

    Thanks, bleeding hearts in Congress (including McCain),for this burden you have given us.

    Thank you, Michelle, for leading the fight against illegal immigration.

  42. #42
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm, mchristian said:

    It’s a feature, not a bug. These are the new voters Dems need to insure their permanent majority.

  43. #43
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with requiring public assistance recipients to be trained to pick crops in the field in place of illegal aliens. I briefly did similiar picking Apples in the Hudson Valley and potatoes on Long Island after college. We DON”T need illegals to do squat in this country, if only more pols had the brass balls to declare that idle beneficiaries of the public kitty also do these type of jobs — or else. The way it looks, who’ve few who even have the guts to Greyhound every illegal here south the border _where they belong_.

    James Greenidge
    Queens, NY

  44. #44
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    On July 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am, Ragspierre said:

    And it would have to be with concientious, loyal, steadfast conservatives, not crooks like Denny Hastert or wimps like Bill Frist.

    I mildly disagree. The force for that change has to come from us. And I do mean US. Anyone with the ideals of this country written in their heart has to become a razor…a sharp, bright, no-nonsense activist. We have to get up, get out, and get deadly serious.

    We don’t disagree. All of us have to work to get those concientious, loyal, steadfast conservatives elected.

    On July 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Too many in the GOP, especially leadership, hasn’t really been conservative in ages.

    Read all of what I wrote.

    “Conservative Democrat” is an oxymoron. They may be ‘conservative’ on one issue, but being a Democrat presupposes being for high taxes, intrusive regulation and less liberty.

  45. #45
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm, Ragspierre said:
  46. #46
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm, happyscrapper said:

    The illegal alien issue must be dealt with and soon, or we are totally screwed. They are quickly taking over this country and want to turn it into Mexico. And the libs are not only letting them, but encouraging it! The liberals are NOT patriotic, but are traitors to this country and our Constitution. Our culture, our identity, our language, our economy are all at stake here. We are at war.

  47. #47
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm, cheapseat said:

    if only our pols and courts could read the constitution in plain english, and follow the rules. if it ain’t in the constitution it is left for the states to do or not as they seem fit. nowhere is their a RIGHT to healthcare. nowhere is there a RIGHT to unemployment insurance, osha regulations, environmental regulations, etc. if california wants to regulate it’s citizens and tax them great, until they leave. but to have congress big foot all these things and then have everyone have no choice to move to a more realistic and rational state.

  48. #48
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm, JonB said:

    Happyscrapper: it’s to late already as we have one of them taking one of the highest positions in the government. This is a plan that has been in motion for decades and is coming to a head. They are betting everything on the complacency of the masses of Americans who are glued to the TV every night.
    Our only hope is that somehow the planners were wrong.

  49. #49
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm, rambler said:

    I’m sure the legal immigrants will love losing their health care while the illegals get it instead. Why have an immigration policy at all if all the spoils go to those who break the laws.

  50. #50
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm, atheling said:

    OT, but has anyone heard about this? Michelle, does this have any merit?

    A Secret Service Agent, responsible for protecting President Obama, was fired today under questionable reasons, according to top aides. The Agent was reportedly tired of overhearing personal gripes by the Obama Family about certain demograhics in the United States. The Agent, who has not been identified as of today, brought his concerns staright to the President Obama, who later had him removed fr More..om his current assignment. More to come as story unfolds.

    If this is true, guess what “demographic” is being griped about by the Obama family?

  51. #51
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm, nosheep said:

    Rush has 5 questions to ask Obama which need to be asked….Someone in the press core please…

    Another question would be why is Obama on the side of the dictators in the Honduran situation. Hondurans were acting lawfully when they ousted Zelaya after he had sought to hold a referendum on overhauling the constitution to allow his re-election(same thing Chavez did), and the media has helped Obama by wrongfully calling this a coup.

  52. #52
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm, rambler said:

    what demographic?

    Why the rest of us, of course.

  53. #53
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm, Ragspierre said:

    A Secret Service Agent, responsible for protecting President Obama, was fired today under questionable reasons, according to top aides.

    Sniff, sniff… Be careful about this story.

    It just doesn’t smell right. Maybe there’s something to it, but as written it smells.

  54. #54
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm, ErinF said:

    Here’s an idea:

    Why don’t we “working white folk” leave the country and go live in Antarctica. Then the minorities and illegals can take over our homes and live off the obamacare/welfare system, and be 100% supported by the weasels in congress.

  55. #55
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm, jjmurphy said:

    Sniff, sniff… Be careful about this story.

    Your nose is correct, Rags. Ace of Spades mentioned this story early and retracted it very quickly.

  56. #56
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    I here alot of bold talk but no action. How many of you are going to DC on Sept. 12th?

  57. #57
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm, Joy said:

    Maybe an intrepid reporter can ask the president at his next Obamacare show to explain.

    :lol:

    :lol:

    Hooooo-haaa… I needed a good laugh among all of today’s wonderful news…

  58. #58
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    thats ‘hear”

  59. #59
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Your nose is correct, Rags. Ace of Spades mentioned this story early and retracted it very quickly.

    An organ this large has to be good for something…

    Thanks, jj.

  60. #60
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 3:02 pm, sillygatboy said:

    On July 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm, rambler said:
    I’m sure the legal immigrants will love losing their health care while the illegals get it instead. Why have an immigration policy at all if all the spoils go to those who break the laws.

    Good point, unfortunately too many of them will be cheering their countrymen on and not enough of them will be angry enough to protest in the voting booth.

    None of that matters anyway with ACORN on the watch.

    Voters do not determine elections, vote counters determine elections.

  61. #61
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Do any of the cost estimates for this bill include costs for illegals from all over the world coming here for free health care? Even those who have health care, like Canadians, will come here for treatment if they can’t get the latest drugs or have to wait too long for care in their own countries.

    With our porous borders and no restrictions for pre-existing conditions, anyone in the world with a serious or terminal illness and the means to get here, will come for free health care. By the time they get here they’ll be in bad shape, so they’ll probably get moved to the head of the line for fear of bad publicity. Just imagine the cries of racism and profiling if an illegal alien dies while waiting for care behind U.S. citizens with less advanced illnesses — never mind how long the citizens have been waiting. This bill is a disaster for the citizens of this country.

  62. #62
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm, Leatherneck said:

    The illegal alien invasion should be solved by our military. Securing the borders, then rounding up illegal aliens and drinving them to the border in 5 tons with water, and MRE’s.

  63. #63
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm, J S Ragman said:

    We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power… the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.
    – Patrick Henry

    “If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
    — Winston Churchill

  64. #64
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm, reshas1 said:

    Below are the top five questions Sen. DeMint would like the president to address:

    1. If the major provisions of the health care bills will not kick in until 2013, four years from now, why the rush to pass a thousand-page bill before the August recess, a bill you admit that you haven’t fully read yourself?

    2. You have said your health care bill will cut costs and not increase the deficit. But, independent analysis by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office contradicts both claims, saying it will raise costs and increase the deficit by $240 billion in the first ten years. What independent analysis will you provide that supports your claims and refutes CBO’s?

    3. You have repeatedly said that your health care bill allows any American who likes their current employer-based plan to keep it. But the most comprehensive independent analysis available, by the Lewin Group, contradicts your claim and found your bill will force over 80 million Americans to lose their current coverage. Will you provide independent analysis to refute this study?

    4. Your own record in the Senate reveals you spent years voting against nearly every reform to make health care more affordable and accessible, but this week you said that opponents of your plan are “content to perpetuate the status quo, [and] are, in fact, fighting reform on behalf of powerful special interests.” Which specific elected officials will you cite that have proposed to keep the status quo, and is that how you characterize the opposition of the 52 Blue Dog Democrats in the House and the moderate Democrats in the Senate?

    5. Yes or no question: Will you guarantee pro-life Americans that, under your plan, they will not be forced to subsidize elective abortions?

  65. #65
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm, reshas1 said:

    Members Who Vote for Government-Run Health Care Should Enroll Themselves

    I recently introduced a resolution urging Members of Congress who vote for government-run health care to automatically enroll themselves in the government-run plan.

    Over the past few weeks, Members of Congress and the American people have come to know the details of the Administration’s proposed health care plan. Call it whatever you like, I believe this proposal is nothing more than government-run health care. As a physician, I am amazed at the number of bureaucrats in this House who are quick to claim a government-run health care plan is the reform this country needs. My resolution will offer Members of Congress an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, and urge their colleagues who vote for legislation creating a government-run health care plan to lead by example and enroll themselves in the same public plan.

    Under the current draft of the Democrat health care legislation, Members of Congress are curiously exempt from the government-run health care option, keeping their existing health plans and services on Capitol Hill. If Members of Congress believe so strongly that government-run health care is the best solution for hard working American families, I think it only fitting that Americans see them lead the way. Public servants should always be accountable and responsible for what they are advocating. For more information go to my website at fleming.house.gov.

  66. #66
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    I don’t understand how liberals can get away with ignoring all the facts right in front of them. Nobody ever calls them on it. Report after report shows the drain on US taxpayers and hospitals as a result of the illegal invasion. That’s right, INVASION. We are voluntarily surrendering our money and country to these invaders. Time to throw them all out. And I don’t care about the bleeding heart pictures on the evening news. Too bad, GO HOME.

  67. #67
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Ragspierre said: An organ this large has to be good for something…

    “We’ll make spears–twice as long as a man.”
    “That long? Some men are longer than others”
    “Your mother been tellin’ stories about me again?”
    William Wallace, Hamish & Campbell Braveheart

  68. #68
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm, By Choice said:

    If illegals are exempt from paying for forced health insurance then I would say we are all illegals. Can you tell a Canadian from an American, eh? Refuse to show ID and claim Canadian citizenship (you jumped the fence in WA state the border is just as porous as Mexico)Since the Mexicans can’t prove citizenship…. let’s all do it!!

    As for the numbers of illegals in the US try 25-30 million. The numbers the Feds use are from years ago, as we have proved every time there is an “amnesty” 3 to 5 times more illegals show up than we were told existed at the time….

    As for Gramnasty—time for him to retire–where is the opposition in his home state?? Hey, RNC, get this fool in line!!!

  69. #69
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Good lord, can someone tell me something?

    Is ole big ear barry doing another speech tonight?

    The quesiton I would ask the president is, Sir are your ears registered as lethal weapons, cause looking at them everytime he has one of these crap sessions is killing me.

  70. #70
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm, jrgdds said:

    Let me get this Straight. We can’t count and identify illegals to deport them and free up jobs for Americans, but we can identify and count illegals to give them Universal health care at the expense of Americans.

  71. #71
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 pm, jim m said:

    Wouldn’t S-CHIPs be eliminated (or reformed) if ObamaCare passes?

  72. #72
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Yes, jrgdds–you’ve been asking the same questions Ann Coulter has!

  73. #73
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    We are committing national suicide. Free healthcare coupled with amnesty will start a human tidal wave across our borders. If you thought 3,000 a day was something, just wait.

  74. #74
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Law-abiding, uninsured Americans would be fined if they didn’t submit to the Obamacare prescription. Law-breaking border-crossers, visa-overstayers, and deportation fugitives would be spared.

    Why would an illegal alien want to become a citizen? It has gotten to the point that an illegal has MORE rights than a citizen. If you’re illegal, you won’t have to pay for health insurance but you can still get all the benefits of free health care.

    In addition, the Supreme Court ruled that using a fake social security number is not identity theft if the number was picked at random. So if you need a service that requires an SS number, you can just make it up and there are no consequences.

    I don’t see a downside to being an illegal. There’s nothing to stop you from voting or getting government benefits right now. And if Obama and the democrats get their way, there will be an upside to being an illegal. You won’t have to purchase health insurance or pay fines to get free care, and they’ll probably ignor you if you don’t pay taxes. So what good is amnesty? I ask again, why would an illegal alien want to become a citizen?

  75. #75
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm, Jeff said:

    Police: 8-Year-Old Raped by Four Boys

    Police allege the boys lured the girl to an empty storage shed on July 16 and restrained her as they sexually assaulted her.
    By Associated Press
    PHOENIX (AP) _ Phoenix police have arrested four boys between the ages of 9 to 14 for allegedly raping an 8-year-old girl last week.

    Sgt. Andy Hill said Wednesday that the boys face charges of kidnapping and sexual assault.

    Police allege the boys lured the girl to an empty storage shed on July 16 and restrained her as they sexually assaulted her.

    Police say all four boys are being held in a juvenile corrections center.

    Child Protective Services has taken custody of the girl after police say her parents blamed the assault on her.

    Police say the boys and the girl are all children of West African refugees.

    They say the girl and all but one of the boys live in the same Phoenix apartment complex.

    Just a cultural misunderstanding, I’m sure.

  76. #76
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm, Jeff said:

    All the involved are from Liberia.

  77. #77
    On July 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 pm, maisy said:

    Don’t tell me these MORONS don’t realize that they will destroy the country!!
    No One can be that stupid!!!!

  78. #78
    On July 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 am, Cromwell said:

    Why can’t we just harvest organs from illegal aliens when they show up for free medical care?

    It’s just a very late term abortion and helps allocate limited resources.

    Oh yeah. They vote for The One.

  79. #79
    On July 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 am, fuseman said:

    illegal immigrant patients like those in Los Angeles getting free liver and kidney transplants at UCLA Medical Center.

    and the “state” can be sued at the whims of any relative.

  80. #80
    On July 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 am, Hulka said:

    Health care to illegal aliens?

    Great. . .so illegals that break into ths country and fight, yes FIGHT (and sometimes kill) Border Patrol Agents in the field, and if they get away, they will be rewarded with free health care by law.

    This is added incetive for illegals with no skills, all sorts of health issues and infections to scurry into our country.

  81. #81
    On July 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 am, TC said:

    The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.

  82. #82
    On July 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 am, John Deaux said:

    If they’re going to end up with all the benefits of citizenship, but none of the obligations, then can I renounce my citizenship and enjoy the same status?

  83. #83
    On July 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 am, jangar said:

    This could mean a lot of Mexican tonsils :shock:

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