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1. #101
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pm, Kingfish said:

   Irreverency totally accepted.

2. #102
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:18 pm, rightwingrocker said:

   Right now his numbers are low, but if healthcare passes, his numbers could skyrocket.

   If healthcare passes, his numbers are toast anyway once people start being denied care and have to deal with rationing.

   Of course, big government will try to solve that problem with bigger government.

   What we need is someone who will not only stop expanding government, but who will also dismantle the big government we already have. Relying on Democrats and Republicans to do that is like sending the chickens in to fight off the wolf.

   RWR
   http://www.rightwingrocker.com

3. #103
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:20 pm, rightwingrocker said:

   Yeah, a resolution forcing the poser in chief to show his birth certificate.

   Won’t happen.

   You’d need a real opposition party for that.

   RWR
   http://www.rightwingrocker.com

4. #104
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:22 pm, Kingfish said:

   RWR: When is the liberal soultion anything else but bigger, or more comprehensive, government?

5. #105
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm, chapoutier said:

   RWR: When is the liberal soultion anything else but bigger, or more comprehensive, government?

   When its the military?

6. #106
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm, chapoutier said:

   Oh…wait, was that a rhetorical question?

7. #107
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pm, rightwingrocker said:

   Yes they sure do. Problem is the democrats set the agenda not the Republicans.

   Wouldn’t be significantly different if they did. How soon we forget that McCain had a “healthcare plan” as well that was just as bad as this.

   RWR
   http://www.rightwingrocker.com

8. #108
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:28 pm, rightwingrocker said:

   When its the military?

   Yeah. The military.

   One of the few things the government is actually supposed to be doing.

   Thanks for reminding us of that bit of liberal foolishness, Chap.

   RWR
   http://www.rightwingrocker.com

9. #109
   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:33 pm, BOB said:

   On July 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pm, rightwingrocker said:
   Yes they sure do. Problem is the democrats set the agenda not the Republicans.
   Wouldn’t be significantly different if they did. How soon we forget that McCain had a “healthcare plan” as well that was just as bad as this.

   Every day of Obama convinces me that McCain, who would have been bad, would have been nowhere near as bad as Obama.

   I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

10. #110
    On July 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pm, jangar said:

    What we need is someone who will not only stop expanding government, but who will also dismantle the big government we already have

    Or at the least, starve programs that suck tax dollars and that are not a purpose of government.

11. #111
    On July 26th, 2009 at 10:50 pm, Kingfish said:

    On July 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pm, jangar said:

    Or at the least, starve programs that suck tax dollars and that are not a purpose of government.

    Last time that I checked, the Constitution was cut and dried concerning the powers of Government and what it could not do… what is the next step in eliminating the voter blocks of entitlements?

    There comes a time in human events…

12. #112
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:09 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Doesn’t Congress have anything better to do?

    Yes, they do. Like upholding their sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and ensure that the man holding the office of President and Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America meets the eligibility requirements in Article II Section 1 of our Constitution:

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    Every day, more and more people are becoming aware of:

    1) The undisputed fact that Congress has yet to examine a certified Birth Certificate sent directly to them under seal from the State of Hawaii.

    2) The undisputed fact that Obama was born a British subject, governed by British law.

    This fact was admitted by Obama’s own campaign on FightTheSmears.com, but now both that website AND THE INTERNET ARCHIVE FOR THAT SITE have been scrubbed…down the memory hole in true Orwellian fashion.

13. #113
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:11 am, mom2jack said:

    Doesn’t Congress have anything better to do?

    You would think. It’s not like they’re reading 1,000-page health care bills or anything

14. #114
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:16 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Róger Calero was born in Nicaragua to parents who were not U.S. Citizens, yet he ran as the Socialist Worker’s Party candidate for President of the United States in both 2004 and 2008.

    In 2008, Calero appeared on the ballot in Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York and Vermont.

    Since the Secretaries of State allowed ineligible candidates to be on the ballot, it is the responsibility of our Congress to ensure that the candidate chosen by the Electoral College meets the Constitutional eligibility requirements.

    They cannot “outsource” this responsibility to an unelected, unaccountable, untrustworthy third party (FactCheck.org) which made two glaring misstatements (a.k.a. lies):

    FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate

    and

    The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    Both of those statements are NOT TRUE!

15. #115
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:42 am, BOB said:

    ITookTheRedPill…….you’re preaching to the choir with me. There is absolutely no logical reason for the secrecy and hiding of all kinds of records from Obama’s past other than to hide his ineligibilty to be president.

    Don’t let the name calling get you down….you are right.

16. #116
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:43 am, right_on said:

    Who’s holding their breath waiting for Obama to step up and act like an American…not a “black” American?

    Not me.

    It’s in Obama’s nature to identify with black victimhood, for to do otherwise would alienate him from his base of support. Once guilt-filled whites who voted for him realize they wasted their votes for a man who inherently lies, cons, and refuses to be accountable, the sooner America, and her citizens can reestablish a path to equality…for all man…and get rid of the “super rights” for minorities.

    It can’t some soon enough!

17. #117
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:58 am, blues said:

    People,please don’t get involved in the trutherism game.We don’t know definately whether or not Obama can prove citizenship.
    The media is just feeding this fire to get independents to turn against Republicans and consevative Democrats,now that Obama’s numbers are tanking.
    No one in the media would touch this subject while Obama’s numbers were high,but now they can’t find a way to spin his failures into successes,so they are trying to make his opponents into conspiracy nuts.Now that people are wising-up to the lies and incompetence ot the current administration,the media has to distract the voters from the real problems.What better way than to discredit the detracters?
    So,since he is not going to be removed from office,don’t waste your energy on something that will only make you look wrong in the eyes of the general public.
    Take a lesson from Sarah Palin i.e. retreat the unwinnable,and concentrate on battles you can win.Ignore this issue and continue attacking the issues that will actually effect the future of the Nation.

18. #118
    On July 27th, 2009 at 1:23 am, a crapweasel said:

    Remember Idiot Clinton and Richard Jewell. A Real American Hero’s character had been dragged through the mud by the media and by the Clinton administration. Bill Clinton never once apologized.

19. #119
    On July 27th, 2009 at 1:25 am, vickisoup said:

    Reason 5,279,432 that the GOP can’t win elections: crap like this. I’d rather see the Michael Jackson humanitarian award bantied about because then we get to laugh at the OTHER guys instead of them laughing at US.
    

20. #120
    On July 27th, 2009 at 1:28 am, JustAThought said:

    Seriously? Doesn’t Congress have anything better to do?

    Yes, Michelle, they actually do. But look at it this way. While they are wasting time on stupid (yes, pun intended) things like this, they AREN’T working on other stupid things. Like screwing up the health care industry, adding another tax to our burden, passing unneeded and unwanted hate crimes laws, coming up with more funding for the leadership of ACORN, criminals all.

    Please, let them spend time on this. Keeps them distracted from their other crap.

21. #121
    On July 27th, 2009 at 5:03 am, graysonret said:

    We don’t know definately whether or not Obama can prove citizenship.

    Let’s say that it comes out that Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen. He’s got that covered anyway. Of course, he’ll have to resign, but guess who becomes President? Uh, uh…a man who’s an idiot even with a teleprompter. Obama’s choice for VP is insurance.

22. #122
    On July 27th, 2009 at 7:46 am, jangar said:

    Let’s say that it comes out that Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen. He’s got that covered anyway. Of course, he’ll have to resign, but guess who becomes President? Uh, uh…a man who’s an idiot even with a teleprompter. Obama’s choice for VP is insurance.

    Nothing will become of Obama’s eligibility discussion. The reason it has not gotten any attention from those that should give the matter attention, is the same reason it will never come to full fruition… fear of racism.

    Obama = the Perfect Democrat Storm

    In the end his legacy will probably be worse than Carter, but the die-hard liberals will hold him up as a great leader at a time when the nation was rought with division.

    Makes me want to puke.

23. #123
    On July 27th, 2009 at 8:26 am, gridlock said:

    Seriously? Doesn’t Congress have anything better to do?

    Given the other things Congress might be doing, like implementing a government takeover of healthcare, I am more than happy to have them chasing their tails over Skip Gates for a week or two.

24. #124
    On July 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am, BOB said:

    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:58 am, blues said:
    People,please don’t get involved in the trutherism game.We don’t know definately whether or not Obama can prove citizenship.

    So, we don’t know if Obama can prove he is a natural born citizen….but we need to shut up about it because the Obamabots will call us names if we don’t?

    There is more than a little evidence that Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to be president, and I’m supposed to accept this because of intimidation by the left?

    Ain’t gonna happen with me.

25. #125
    On July 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am, Misscheryl said:

    So, I’m guessing congress can’t do more than one thing at a time. Like, vote on this AND keep the pressure on Odumbo’s healthSCARE initiative? Why do people believe it has to be one way or nothing else? I know the point of this thread – that giving attention to what, on the surface appears to be caddy and small is stupid, but hey, whatever keeps Odumbo’s own stupidity in the public eye, works for me.

26. #126
    On July 27th, 2009 at 8:41 am, jangar said:

    whatever keeps Odumbo’s own stupidity in the public eye, works for me.

    Whatever keeps tanking his approval numbers is an added bonus as well

27. #127
    On July 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am, Misscheryl said:

    Obama’s racism will bury him faster than anything else.

28. #128
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:04 am, jangar said:

    Obama’s contempt for anything conservative, but acceptance of anything contrary to the principles that this nation was founded, is glaring.

29. #129
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:10 am, Misscheryl said:

    9:04 am, jangar said:
    Obama’s contempt for anything conservative, but acceptance of anything contrary to the principles that this nation was founded, is glaring rooted in his 60s radicalism resulting in his hatred for America and anyone who isn’t a black bro.

    FIFY

30. #130
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:18 am, jangar said:

    Shhh (sitting on my hands to keep from posting something that would get me banned – but you get the idea)

31. #131
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:23 am, jangar said:

    Hmmm… I wonder if Obama and Rodney King have ever met…..

32. #132
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am, BOB said:

    On July 27th, 2009 at 5:03 am, graysonret said:
    Let’s say that it comes out that Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen. He’s got that covered anyway. Of course, he’ll have to resign, but guess who becomes President? Uh, uh…a man who’s an idiot even with a teleprompter. Obama’s choice for VP is insurance.

    You can look at what Obama has done to America so far, and what he wants to do in the future, and conclude that 3 1/2 more years of Obama is better than Biden as president?

    I don’t think Biden has the same kind of hatred for America and capitalism that Obama has, not even close.

33. #133
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:37 am, jangar said:

    I don’t think Biden has the same kind of hatred for America and capitalism that Obama has, not even close.

    I’ll take carnival hawker Biden over Obama any day.

34. #134
    On July 27th, 2009 at 9:57 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Six and one-half months ago, members of Congress were blinded by Obama’s popularity (only 29% disapproved of him), along with their fear of being called “racist” (if you didn’t support Obama it could only be because you were a “racist”).

    Instead of fulfilling their sworn oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States”, they shunned their responsibility and “outsourced” it to an unelected, unaccountable, untrustworthy third party.

    There is no expiration date on the Congressional Oath of Office.

    Now that a majority of the population disapproves of Obama, and Obama himself has been revealed as a racist, it is time for members of Congress to no longer be blind and finally honor their sworn oath by doing the following:

    1) Personally inspect a certified copy of Obama’s original birth certificate, sent to them under seal directly from the State of Hawaii. (Just as was done with the certification of the Electoral College vote)

    2) Ask the Supreme Court to clarify the meaning of the Constitutional phrase “Natural Born Citizen”.

    If the Supreme Court finds that the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” is consistent with both Vattel’s definition…

    “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens”

    … and is consistent with the letter from the man who became the first Chief Justice (John Jay) to the man who became the first President (George Washington)

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

    …then the question of Obama’s birth location is irrelevant… he’s ineligible due to the British citizenship that both he and his father had at his birth.

    Obama’s own campaign admitted:

    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    Before the Senate can vote to confirm a new Supreme Court Justice, they must conclusively establish that the man nominating that Justice is eligible to hold the office of President!

    This is a serious Constitutional issue, not some irrational conspiracy theory, and it must be addressed.

35. #135
    On July 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Well stated, Red Pill. Do you mind if I plagiarize it to send to my Senators?

36. #136
    On July 27th, 2009 at 10:27 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Dexter Alarius,
    Please do!!!

37. #137
    On July 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Done, with some editing.
    Thanks!

38. #138
    On July 27th, 2009 at 11:29 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    You’re welcome. Do you mind sharing what you sent to your Senators?

39. #139
    On July 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Six and one-half months ago, members of the Senate were blinded by Barack Obama’s popularity, along with their fear of being called “racist”.

    Instead of fulfilling their sworn oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States”, they shunned their responsibility and “outsourced” it to an unelected, unaccountable, untrustworthy third party.

    There is no expiration date on the Oath of Office.

    It is time for members of the Senate to no longer be blind and finally honor their sworn oath by doing the following:

    1) Personally inspect a certified copy of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate, sent to them under seal directly from the State of Hawaii. (Just as was done with the certification of the Electoral College vote)

    2) Ask the Supreme Court to clarify the meaning of the Constitutional phrase “Natural Born Citizen”.

    If the Supreme Court finds that the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” is consistent with both Vattel’s definition:

    “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens”

    … and is consistent with the letter from the man who became the first Chief Justice (John Jay) to the man who became the first President (George Washington):

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

    …then the question of Obama’s birth location is irrelevant… he’s ineligible due to the British citizenship that both he and his father had at his birth.

    Obama’s own campaign admitted:

    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    Before the Senate can vote to confirm a new Supreme Court Justice, they must conclusively establish that the man nominating that Justice is eligible to hold the office of President!

    This is a serious Constitutional issue, not some irrational conspiracy theory, and it must be addressed.

    Sent to Senators Bennett and Udall (Colorado). This is only the latest. I’ve been badgering them for months on Eligibility, Sotomayor, Health Scare, Crap & Tax, THought Crimes, etc. I’m sure I’m on their ‘S’ list.

40. #140
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Thanks, Dexter. I will be writing to my Senators again, too.

    Here is the actual text of a letter I previously received from one of my Senators:

    Thank you for contacting me about President-Elect Barack Obama’s citizenship. I appreciate knowing your concerns.

    The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” Hawaii became a territory of the United States in 1898 and was officially admitted as a State in 1959.

    It is my understanding that President-Elect Obama has released an official copy of his birth certificate. Since he was born in 1961 in Hawaii, he is eligible under the Constitution to run for and hold the office of President of the United States. In addition, President-Elect Obama’s birth records have been certified and validated by the Hawaii Department of Health as well as by experts from the University of Pennsylvania. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case and agreed with the lower courts’ rulings that the plaintiffs lacked standing to bring the legal challenges questioning President-Elect Obama’s citizenship.

    Again, thank you for contacting me. Should you have any additional questions or comments, please do not hesitate to let me know or visit my website at …

    Article II Section 1 makes a clear distinction between “citizen” and “natural born citizen”. To be eligible to be President, you must be a “natural born citizen”, not merely a “citizen”. An exception was made for those who were “citizens” when the Constitution was ratified (in 1787), but that clearly does not apply to Obama.

    The 14th Amendment is irrelevant here, as it merely defines “citizen” and does not define (or redefine) “natural born citizen”.

    At the time Article II Section 1 was written, the commonly accepted definition of “natural born citizen” was Vattel’s definition:

    “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens”

    My Senator said:

    It is my understanding that President-Elect Obama has released an official copy of his birth certificate.

    Why didn’t my Senator personally inspect an official copy of Obama’s birth certificate, delivered under seal from the State of Hawaii?

    My Senator claimed:
    

    Obama’s birth records have been certified and validated by the Hawaii Department of Health as well as by experts from the University of Pennsylvania.

    The Hawaii Department of Health only verified that they have Obama’s original birth certificate on record. They made absolutely no claims about Obama’s birth location nor about the authenticity of the COLB produced at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago.

    The “experts from the University of Pennsylvania” are Annenberg Political Fact Check, a group with political connections to Obama (former chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Project), and which made two glaring misstatements (a.k.a. lies) [Pardon my repetition]:

    FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate

    and

    The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    Both of those statements are NOT TRUE!

    We don’t know why the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the cases brought before them. But we do know that there is significant debate about the meaning of the Constitutional phrase “natural born citizen”, and the Senate should ask the Supreme Court to clarify its definition. The 14th Amendment does nothing to define (or redefine) the term “natural born citizen”.

    Again, pardon my repetition, but it is time for members of Congress to no longer be blind and finally honor their sworn oath by doing the following:

    1) Personally inspect a certified copy of Obama’s original birth certificate, sent to them under seal directly from the State of Hawaii. (Just as was done with the certification of the Electoral College vote)

    2) Ask the Supreme Court to clarify the meaning of the Constitutional phrase “Natural Born Citizen”.

41. #141
    On July 27th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    You’re preaching to the choir, Pill.

    State Secretaries of State, members of the Electoral College, the FEC, Congress and the Federal Judiciary are all gutless. They are all afraid of what will happen if they actually find out that this ‘historic’ president is not eligible for the office.

    I hope and pray that the issue is resolved one way or another soon.

    What I fear, though, is that they will all continue kicking the can down the road until after the end of Obama’s term(s). Then, “natural born citizen” will be clarified and defined for future presidential elections.

42. #142
    On July 27th, 2009 at 2:07 pm, purealchemy said:

    Folks, we’re doing a marathon on the Don’t Taze Me Bro’ thread.
    How about combining forces?
    Then, again, you might have a life… ;o)