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1. #1
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am, et said:

   Welcome aboard Doug. Now will the AARP destroy their brand once and for all by looking out for their interests and not the members interests? There are consequences to drinking the hope and change koolaid.

2. #2
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am, happyscrapper said:

   I swear this President has time to burn!! How can the most powerful and supposedly busy person in the world have time for all these meetings? Isn’t that what he has “csars” for? He really needs to start concentrating on our national security, energy independance (drill here, drill now) border security and what is going on in the middle east. The great delegator needs to start delegating these meetings and get the heck out of our faces. I am SO.TIRED.OF.HIM!!

3. #3
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am, BobK said:

   I keep getting mailings from the AARP (I’m 66) and throw them in the trash just for this reason.

4. #4
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am, letget said:

   Welcome back Doug. I, too cut up my aarp card years ago. When I get mail from them now, I send back the envelope empty, on their nickle. I will not have aarp spend my dues to fund their agenda.
   L

5. #5
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am, Wade said:

   AARP is no longer lobbies for seniors, they are nothing more than a political pimp for liberals.

6. #6
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am, iamsaved said:

   AARP should rename themselves AARLP – American Association of Retired Liberal People. This group is for any and all entitlements regardless of who has to pay. They fell for that lie from the New Deal that they paid into the Social Security and Medicare Trust fund and they are entitled to 1000 dollars to every dollar they put in.

   These old sheeple will join anything that gives them a 10% discount at the next hotel or restaurant they visit.

   What they don’t realize is that Obamacare will decide whether or not they are worthy of life giving medical treatment if needed since they are so old.

   Anyone believe that the Liar-In-Chief will tell them the truth?

7. #7
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am, ex-expat said:

   This as well as AARP’s head-in-the-sand position on Social Security reform is baffling. Obamacare will impact seniors and their grnadchilren, etc., etc., etc., and they support it?!!!!

   That’s another reason why I refuse to join.

8. #8
   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am, granite said:

   On July 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am, happyscrapper said:

   I swear this President has time to burn!!

   I never capitalize the term when referring to this individual.
   And, I never have and never will refer to him as the title follwed by his name.

   How can the most powerful and supposedly busy person in the world have time for all these meetings?

   This individual is merely a cipher, an empty suit, a minion, a marionette (help me out here, folks!).
   His handlers call the shots. (Yes, I know, my opinion/guess…not a proven fact…yet.)

   Isn’t that what he has “csars” for?

   See above.

   He really needs to start concentrating on our national security, energy independance (drill here, drill now) border security and what is going on in the middle east.

   See above.

   The great delegator needs to start delegating these meetings and get the heck out of our faces.

   See above.

   I am SO.TIRED.OF.HIM!!

   What more can anyone say?!

9. #9
   On July 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am, GladzKravtz said:

   (help me out here, folks!).

   I’ve always liked ‘puppet‘. It’s less elegant than marionette.

10. #10
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am, jangar said:

    iamsaved said:
    AARP should rename themselves AARLP – American Association of Retired Liberal People.

    AARP – American Association of Retarded Propaganda

11. #11
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am, happyscrapper said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am, granite said:

    I agree with you about capitalizing the word president when referring to this particular Kenyan. I do not respect him enough to give him that honor. I just forget sometimes because capitalizing titles is automatic to me. It is part of my incredible gramatical and punctuation skills (smile). Old habits die hard.

12. #12
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am, jangar said:

    I’ve always liked ‘puppet‘.

    More specific, Rahm and David’s sock puppet.

13. #13
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 am, BOB said:

    Yep, I dropped my AARP membership years ago when it became obvious they were just another leftist special interest group.

14. #14
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    What? Another town meeting between bouts of smearing white cops? This President is just like the Eveready Energizer Bunny!

    AARP! (the flatulent sound one makes when one visits taco Bell too often)

15. #15
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am, cubbiegal said:

    My husband turns 50 in September and since I’m 11 years younger I was going to get him an AARP membership as a joke.
    That WILL NOT be happening.
    AARP is such a tool.
    *spit*

16. #16
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am, nail49 said:

    When I get mail from them now, I send back the envelope empty, on their nickle.

    letget & BobK: I continually received their mailings and began stuffing their return envelopes with their own trash and any other mailings I happened to receive that day (Carpet cleaning, pizza discounts, lawn care, etc) . I even included a handful of shredded paper once. Their mailings have tapered off, and now seemed to have stopped altogether because of my most recent action.

    I taped their return envelope to the outside of a large (14×11) manila envelope and REALLY stuffed it so it cost a LOT more than 5-cents when they had to pay the charges. I scrawled across their literature to “Stop sending me your material, I will never join any organization that had that POS Harry Belafonte as its POY!”

17. #17
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am, jangar said:

    cubbiegal said:
    My husband turns 50 in September and since I’m 11 years younger I was going to get him an AARP membership as a joke.

    I have a friend that got one automatically once he turned 50, without a request!

18. #18
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am, ajmontana said:

    During each town hall, hundreds of thousands of AARP members are invited to join a call where they can have their questions answered by AARP officials and other guests,

    lol, yeah sureeeeeeeee.
    staged for the teleprompter fool. I’ts amazing anyone buy’s into Odopeys Bullchips.

19. #19
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I never capitalize the term when referring to this individual.
    And, I never have and never will refer to him as the title follwed by his name.

    Sorry Granite, I too have always capitalized President out of respect for the office, and not any particular clown that resides therein. However, I do empathize and understand your position.

20. #20
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am, granite said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 am, BOB said:

    Yep, I dropped my AARP membership years ago when it became obvious they were just another leftist special interest group.

    Likewise.

21. #21
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am, beenthere said:

    There’s no fool like an old left-liberal fool. Yeah, I keep getting that AARP stuff too, which I cheerfully shred and pitch away. Sometimes I think if I got a buck with ever one of their mailings, I could retire in style. You would think even the AARP would understand that once ObamaCare gets rolling, it will lead to the mass death, through undetermined means, of old people. But they don’t. They’re just one more group Obama has by the short hairs.

    Lately, I’ve been thinking about the term “suicocracy” (I think my coinage, but who knows) for what we are seeing in the country, i.e. some kind of mass cultural death wish. I’m not going to share my thoughts until they settle, but I can say this: just as with an individual, if a nation is determined to commit suicide, it will achieve its goal.

22. #22
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am, granite said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    …I too have always capitalized President out of respect for the office,….

    I always do when I refer to the office.

    I learned that way back in grade school, too…when public school actually seriously educated.

23. #23
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am, jangar said:

    Yep, I dropped my AARP membership years ago when it became obvious they were just another leftist special interest group.

    Sadly, most will not, as they think of it as an American institution that looks out for their aging interests. It goes hand in hand with CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS…institutions that educate our elderly population – the old couch potatoes and LazyBoy critics.

24. #24
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:30 am, Flyoverman said:

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25. #25
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:33 am, Flyoverman said:

    If those AARP members only knew that Obama views them as economically unviable drags on the prosperity of the State that need to be removed for the overall health of the body of workers.

26. #26
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am, granite said:
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    …I too have always capitalized President out of respect for the office,….
    I always do when I refer to the office.

    I learned that way back in grade school, too…when public school actually seriously educated.

    Same here, way back when we were allowed to pledge allegiance to our Country. I pity my sons were never taught the same lessons. They look at me like I have three heads sometimes when I go off on a rant. I’m the flaming conservative in the household.

27. #27
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:35 am, DBNinKY said:

    My parents, now in their late 70’s, cut up their AARP cards and mailed them back years ago.

    My mom is in her mid sixties and refuses to join AARP; she doesn’t even bother to open the barrage of membership drives they send her but tosses them straight into the trash can at the post office.

    A retired social worker, preschool teacher, and registered Democrat, Mom says not even she is that liberal.

28. #28
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am, ex-expat said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am, jangar said:
    cubbiegal said:
    My husband turns 50 in September and since I’m 11 years younger I was going to get him an AARP membership as a joke.
    I have a friend that got one automatically once he turned 50, without a request!

    I was sent one too. I’m sure they haev SS-releated info in a membership database.

29. #29
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am, Salt said:

    Hey, remember when Presidents knew they were the head of the executive and not the legislative branch?

    Ah, good times.

30. #30
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am, bobtundra said:

    I joined AARP when I turned 50. I enjoyed the magazine and newsletter. I started noticing the articles were becoming more liberal. With a little research I found out that AARP had gotten a new director who was a liberal activist. When one article wanted retirees to move to Mexico so they could get better and cheaper healthcare that is when I determined AARP was pushing a liberal agenda instead of looking out for me. I cancelled my membership. The next letter I get will be returned stuffed with trash.

31. #31
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:52 am, granite said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am, ex-expat said:

    I was sent one too.

    I started getting them when I was 45!!

32. #32
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:54 am, iowavette said:

    What Wade said!

33. #33
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Klaatu said:

    I went to the AARP link Michelle provided and saw a link to tell “My Story” of loss, deprivation and bankruptcy. Instead, I told them about our family’s poor experience with government healthcare. Mrs. Klaatu has been on hold at AARP for 45 minutes to voice her complaint. So, seniors have taken down their switchboard. It’s time to take down their website. Let ‘em know how you feel!

34. #34
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am, jdtruly said:

    I’ve wondered if an enterprising legal group could sue AARP for fraud over their membership claims. They pretend to represent far more than their actual numbers and take lobbying positions quite at odds with the propaganda they feed to their members.

35. #35
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am, lgm said:

    another scripted townhall meeting:

    The sun rises again over America and the President is holding a townhall meeting. You need to hyperventilate every day, no matter how trivial the cause.

    Republicans — Bush, McCain — were/are famous for scripted townhall meetings and planted questions. It’s a Republican strategy to criticize Democrats for doing something primarily done by Republicans. There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will be scripted.

36. #36
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am, lgm said:
    another scripted townhall meeting:
    The sun rises again over America and the President is holding a townhall meeting. You need to hyperventilate every day, no matter how trivial the cause.

    Republicans — Bush, McCain — were/are famous for scripted townhall meetings and planted questions. It’s a Republican strategy to criticize Democrats for doing something primarily done by Republicans. There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will be scripted.

    It’s a Democrat strategy to embrace bad behavior because the other guy did it first! There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will not be scripted, seeing how all the previous have been scripted.

37. #37
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am, Savage24 said:

    It is amazing that the AARP idiots cannot see this Obamacare has Jack Kevorkian(Dr Death) written into it. The senior citizens can kiss their butts goodbye if this becomes law. In this country we have people that cannot hear, but worst then that we have people that will not listen.

38. #38
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am, battleaxe said:

    The only fact of consequence for AARP is that health care rationing will leave its constituents with a hefty, mandatory monthly payment for the privilege of getting absolutely no real health care except for the assisted suicide option.

39. #39
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am, Flyoverman said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am, lgm said:

    The sun rises again over America and the President Racsist-in-Chief is holding a townhall meeting.

    Fixed it.

40. #40
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am, SpeakEasy said:

    I wonder if they will go ahead and ask them to die for the good of the country during the “townhall meeting?”

    Oh, wait until it passes before we break that particular tidbit? Okay.

41. #41
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am, Ken M. said:

    Welcome back, Doug.

    Same here, as #16 nail49:
    I started getting their junk just about exactly on my 50th birthday. Methodically cut up and shredded the membership cards and mailed the shreddings back to them, along with other recyclables. One other thing that I was careful to do, was to cut out my full name and address, and tape it to the outside of their return envelope — just to make sure they could see who it was that didn’t want their junk mail.

    Sometime, over the last few yrs (I’m 66 now) the junk has stopped. So, maybe they do come to realize that some folks aren’t interested…

42. #42
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am, Flyoverman said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am, battleaxe said:

    The only fact of consequence for AARP is that health care rationing will leave its constituents with a hefty, mandatory monthly payment for the privilege of getting absolutely no real health care except for the assisted suicide option DEAD.

    Abridged version.

43. #43
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:27 am, rplatt said:

    AARP is a joke and nothing but a political shill for the left.

44. #44
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am, nail49 said:

    There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will be scripted.

    lgm: Not when you have your fingers stuck in your ears, singing, “La, la, la…”

45. #45
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am, hawkeye54 said:

    I have a friend that got one automatically once he turned 50, without a request!

    Yes – AARLP has access to your SSN data! They know when you turn 50 – so just about everyone gets an automatic invitation to join on or about your 50th birthday.

    Even if it wasn’t a leftist organization, which I knew it was years ago – I wasn’t going to join just out of resenting them knowing when I turned 50 and rubbing it in!!

46. #46
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:35 am, Salt said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am, lgm said:

    How many townhalls will there be before even you believe it’s getting excessive? Even the President has started making jokes about the number of times he’s spoken on this.

    PS> Your unnecessary emotional assessments of the hostess are, at best, boring and demonstrate that you’re not really interested in a conversation. You’re no more empathic to her moods than we are of yours.

47. #47
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:35 am, sonofdy said:

    There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will be scripted.

    HA HA HA LOL good joke lgm.

    Wait, you were SERIOUS????

    WOW.

48. #48
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am, Salt said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am, Ken M. said:

    Sometime, over the last few yrs (I’m 66 now) the junk has stopped. So, maybe they do come to realize that some folks aren’t interested…

    Sadly, I had to deal with junk mail from the AARP since I was around 10 years old. The best I could determine, it was due to my great-grandmother having ordered a magazine subscription for me.

    It was amusing to me to have their cards sent to me before I was even old enough to drive. However now it’s just annoying.

49. #49
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am, lgm said:

    nail49 said:

    Not when you have your fingers stuck in your ears, singing, “La, la, la…”

    sonofdy said:

    HA HA HA LOL good joke lgm.

    Wait, you were SERIOUS????

    WOW.

    This is the stuff that wins debates. And to think that people complain when I don’t provide evidence. Who needs evidence when you have certainty on your side?

50. #50
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am, DBNinKY said:

    There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will not be scripted, seeing how all the previous have been scripted.

    This administration is as Hollywood as it gets – from it’s scripted townhalls to its teleprompter controlled speeches to its pre-selected questions prompts from so-called reporters during WH addresses – the hands behind this administration, Axlerod and Emmanuel, will risk nothing to “transparency” if it means losing control of the narrative.

51. #51
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am, ex-expat said:

    hawkeye54 said: ……
    Yes – AARLP has access to your SSN data! They know when you turn 50 – so just about everyone gets an automatic invitation to join on or about your 50th birthday.

    Even if it wasn’t a leftist organization, which I knew it was years ago – I wasn’t going to join just out of resenting them knowing when I turned 50 and rubbing it in!!
    

    Same here!!!!!!

52. #52
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:47 am, happyscrapper said:

    This is the stuff that wins debates. And to think that people complain when I don’t provide evidence. Who needs evidence when you have certainty on your side?

    But lgm…you do say some of the dumbest things!!! Everyone knows that Obama is scripted at the meetings. Everyone. Even on the left. So why would you even make a dumb statement like that? I sometimes think you deliberately open yourself to ridicule. Are you some kind of masochist?

53. #53
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am, Klaatu said:

    We were 2 hours on hold at AARP until they finally hung up on us. We called back to cancel the membership. Can’t get through there either.

54. #54
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:50 am, Salt said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am, lgm said:

    This is the stuff that wins debates. And to think that people complain when I don’t provide evidence. Who needs evidence when you have certainty on your side?

    What debate did you offer?

    Your comments here reflect the same sense of certainty to the opposite.

55. #55
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:50 am, southsideironworks said:

    I can only picture the Dems with their eyes on the Boomers estates.

56. #56
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:52 am, Salt said:

    Salt said

    …of the hostess…

    Whoops. Sorry, Doug. Welcome back.

57. #57
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am, hawkeye54 said:

    We were 2 hours on hold at AARP until they finally hung up on us. We called back to cancel the membership. Can’t get through there either.

    Don’t bother – once you’ve joined the collective, your theirs for life, my sister quit her membership years ago and AARLP still claims her and she still gets AARLP propagada – cancellation is futile

58. #58
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am, sonofdy said:

    LGM, well im not sure what evidence you will take since in previous “town hall meetings” all of the questions were submited to the whitehouse and they got to pick which ones were asked and the same thing is happening here. Some of the questions were actualy handed out by the white house.

    I mean if thats not scripted, I don’t know what is. You would have loved the “unscripted” nazi rallies.

59. #59
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Klaatu said:

    AMAZING! We got through to AARP. A nice lady told us that Obama is is MISREPRESENTING AARP’s position on the health care bill. They never supported it and want mainly to close the donut hole, not revamp health care.

    She says for the past two weeks they have gotten 100 calls per hour from angry members. She is glad people are calling to voice their true feelings.

    I don’t know if its the chicken or the egg, but the position they are taking is better than I thought.

60. #60
    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am, happyscrapper said:

    It is really interesting, speaking of being scripted…

    Rush Limbaugh is not scripted, for the most part. It is because he is passionate about his beliefs and states them honestly. Therefore, he can speak from his heart and get his points across very eloquently. Obama, on the other hand, has to be scripted so that he tells the American Sheeple what they need to hear, most of which are lies. So, he as to either be scripted, or very very careful in his choice of words. That is why he hems and haws a lot and pauses and “ums” and “uhs”. He is trying to keep his lies straight. If he wanted to be really passionate and tell what he truly believes, we would jail him for treason. We saw some of his true self when he called the Cambridge police stupid. He needs to be much more careful!!

61. #61
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, ex-expat said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Klaatu said:
    AMAZING! We got through to AARP. A nice lady told us that Obama is is MISREPRESENTING AARP’s position on the health care bill. They never supported it and want mainly to close the donut hole, not revamp health care.

    She says for the past two weeks they have gotten 100 calls per hour from angry members. She is glad people are calling to voice their true feelings.

    I don’t know if its the chicken or the egg, but the position they are taking is better than I thought.

    Then why praytell, hasn’t AARP gone out to publicly tell the world Obama does not speak for lthem?

62. #62
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 47% are in favor of the reform effort proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats while 49% are opposed. Those figures include 25% who Strongly Favor the plans and 41% who are Strongly Opposed.

    Just 23% believe passage of the reform legislation will lead to lower health care costs. Most voters (53%) say it will lead to higher costs, while 18% expect prices to remain about the same.

    Rasmussan

    Ummm… lgm….

    I got your certainty hangin’.

    The American people do not want ObamaCare.

63. #63
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    A nice lady told us that Obama is is MISREPRESENTING AARP’s position on the health care bill. They never supported it and want mainly to close the donut hole, not revamp health care.

    Sure, nudge-nudge-wink-wink!!! If that is true, lets see something in print and on the air backing it up.

64. #64
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    A nice lady told us that Obama is is MISREPRESENTING AARP’s position on the health care bill. They never supported it and want mainly to close the donut hole, not revamp health care.

    Sure, nudge-nudge-wink-wink!!! If that is true, lets see something in print and on the air backing it up.

65. #65
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm, Ragspierre said:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/five-freedoms-youll-lose-in-obamacare/

    Forget about having any of the following:

    1. Freedom to choose what’s in your plan
    2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs
    3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage
    4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
    5. Freedom to choose your doctors

    ObamaCare eventually aggregates everyone into an HMO system from which no one can escape. Call it the Hospital California; once you’re in this system, you can “check out,” but you can never leave.

    Got to love that money quote.

66. #66
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Sounds like AARP is doing some spinning. I suspect they are getting a lot of flack and a lot of cancelled memberships. So now they will tell you what they want you to hear. Just like all libs. They will lie if they have to in order to win.

67. #67
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, ajmontana said:

    lgm said….. more stupid stuff.
    How can I put this, hmmmmmm???
    You’re a Naive Idiot.

    lgm’s just pickin out cotton sheets again…. looking for high thread count.
    I especially like the added “McCain” to the blame Bush mime.

68. #68
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Call it the Hospital California; once you’re in this system, you can “check out,” but you can never leave.

    Mirrors on the ceiling, the pink champagne on ice
    And she said ‘We are all just prisoners here, of our own device’
    And in the master’s chambers, they gathered for the feast
    They stab it with their steely knives, but they just can’t kill the beast

69. #69
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Sounds like AARP is doing some spinning.

    Right, Scrappy. AARP is firmly in the Collective.

    Collectivists lie.

    Simple, and true.

70. #70
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pm, Ragspierre said:

    but they just can’t kill the beast

    Actually, you STARVE THE BEAST…

    as Mr. Gandhi knew. Works every time it’s tried…by enough people.

71. #71
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm, Ragspierre said:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/bend-it-like-barack-into-the-red/

    Scary stuff…

72. #72
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    July 27, 2009

    Rep. Henry Waxman
    Chairman/Energy and Commerce Committee
    United States Congress
    2204 Rayburn Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    Sent by fax to 202/225-4099

    Dear Congressman Waxman:

    As Chairman of the New York State Senate Aging Committee, I am deeply concerned that a provision that targets senior citizens in Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 may preempt New York State rules and practices. This proposed federal health care legislation’s impact upon the elderly citizens of New York State needs to be sensitive to what may be considered a “state’s rights” issue, which may be best dealt with at the state level, and not imposed by Washington.

    Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 puts our senior citizens on a slippery slope and may diminish respect for the inherent dignity of each of their lives. Each life must be cherished and regarded with reverence. This pending legislation does not necessarily provide for that guideline, and needs to be carefully reviewed with a full and open public debate.

    It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen who resides in New York State or anywhere in the United States of America should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would, be required to be counseled about the supposed benefits of killing oneself, or be encouraged to sign any end of life directives that they would not otherwise sign.
    
    I respectfully request that you advise me if and when there may be Congressional hearings on this matter, that you provide me with an opportunity to testify as such hearings, and suggest others who may also be qualified to testify.

    Respectfully,
    Senator Reverend Ruben Diaz [D]

73. #73
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, madshark said:

    When I saw that picture with the robot accompanying this post, I couldn’t help but think of the old TV show “Lost In Space”, and the robot that was always warning “Danger, Will Robinson!!”

    Now that robot would need to be warning with regards to Obamacare “Danger, U.S.A.”

74. #74
    On July 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Horrifying but true: Oregon’s state insurance program refused to cover treatment for a man with cancer but did generously offer to help him die:

    Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life. Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon’s state-run health plan for help.

    Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded to Stroup’s request with a letter saying the state would not cover Stroup’s pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost of physician-assisted suicide.

    Oregon is what my teenagers would call “pretty messed up.” The state’s rationing board has decided which treatments will be covered and put them on a prioritized list. Helping people kill themselves is a “comfort” treatment they cover.

    In Stroup’s case, he persevered against the bureaucracy and won:

    For Stroup, however, suicide was never an option. He fought back, and the Oregon Health Plan eventually reversed its decision and is now paying for his chemotherapy, giving him hope he’ll be around a little longer for his 80-year-old mother and five grandchildren.
    
    Anyone who doubts that ObamaCare could promote euthanasia needs to know that it’s already here.

    Yesterday’s Washington Post ran two items that raised an important point about medical care and one reason the cost has risen: we get more than we did forty years ago:

    In the 1960s, the chance of dying in the days immediately after a heart attack was 30 to 40 percent. In 1975, it was 27 percent. In 1984, it was 19 percent. In 1994, it was about 10 percent. Today, it’s about 6 percent.

    Adjusted for inflation, health-care spending per person is six times what it was 40 years ago. But no one today would settle for 1960s-style medicine. Treating patients with heart disease was inexpensive then, because there wasn’t a great way to detect problems before a heart attack and not much to do afterward. Today, angiograms can diagnose blockages. Bypasses and angioplasty can fix them. Drugs such as beta blockers can prevent repeat heart attacks. So spending for coronary care has soared, along with survival rates. Some medical innovations can save money, but the general arc has been better treatment — at higher costs.

    I can’t believe Americans will allow progress in medical treatments and technologies to be dialed back the way government-run healthcare will require.

    Pundit & Pundette

    More good stuff on that blog…

75. #75
    On July 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pm, rambler said:

    AARP is such a useless organization. I read somewhere that boomers were just not joining to the extent that their parents did. AARP helped to get BHO elected and should suffer the consequences of snowing seniors with their propaganda.

76. #76
    On July 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm, corkie said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am, lgm said:

    This is the stuff that wins debates.

    lgm, if you think you know what wins debates, then why don’t you try winning one…just one…sometime.

77. #77
    On July 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, Ragspierre said:

    But it will make a lot of other things worse. Government-directed health care is a profound assault on the concept of citizenship. It deforms national politics very quickly, and ensures that henceforth elections are always fought on the left’s terms. I find it hard to believe President Obama and his chums haven’t looked at Canada and Europe and concluded that health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture. He doesn’t say that, of course. He says his objective is to “control costs”. Which is the one thing that won’t happen. Even now, health care costs rise far faster under Medicare than in the private sector.
    
    By the way, to accept that argument is to concede a lot of the turf: Why is the cost of my health care Barack Obama’s business? When he mused recently as to whether his dying grandmother had really needed her hip replacement, he gave the game away: Right now, if Gran’ma decides she doesn’t need the hip, that’s her business. Under a government system, it’s the state’s business – and they have to “allocate” “resources”, and frankly at your age your body’s not worth allocating to. Why give you a new hip when you’re getting up there and you’re gonna be kicking the bucket in a year or two or five or twenty?

    http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/2295/26/

    There’s a LOT more…please read it.

78. #78
    On July 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pm, Dedlock said:

    AARP is totally union-oriented thus is as left-wing as any other union leftist outfit. The irony is that they profess to “represent” the elderly–a truly sick joke.
    See more on my blog, Carter’s Politics on Blogspot.

79. #79
    On July 28th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, pdv said:

    On July 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am, iamsaved said:

    AARP should rename themselves AARLP – American Association of Retired Retarded Liberal People.

    FIFY

80. #80
    On July 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The question remains: Why aren’t Americans being swayed by the demagoguery of the Left?

    The answer may be that even those Americans not steeped in the arcana of healthcare policy know enough to spot obvious chicanery. When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says that healthcare reform means a cap on your costs, but no cap on your benefits, most Americans can smell the horse manure. Most Americans know their government well enough to know it is not in the fishes and loaves business.

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/07/28/obamacare-would-already-be-law-if-not-for-you-stupid-americans/

    lgm…?

81. #81
    On July 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, nail49 said:

    He needs to be much more careful scripted!!

    happy: FIFY

82. #82
    On July 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Pick your average member of the House of Representatives, one who has a lot of work to do but hasn’t been deeply involved in crafting the massive health care makeover bill. Who knows more about what’s in that bill — Mr. Average Democrat, or Mr. Average Republican?

    Bet on the Republican. For weeks now, GOP lawmakers have been studying the Democratic health care bill, and for months before that, they studied preliminary Democratic plans. Many rank-and-file Democrats, on the other hand, have been so ill-informed about what their leadership has been doing that it was only last week, when the party offered a five-hour class on the bill’s contents, that some members began to grasp the details.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/GOP-teachable-moment-on-the-risks-of-Obamacare-8028107-51819127.html

    Here, lgm, lgm, lgm… C’mon, boy…

83. #83
    On July 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, nail49 said:

    Here, lgm, lgm, lgm… C’mon, boy…

    Ragspierre: Nothing going to happen, he still has his fingers in his ears and is singing, “La, la, la…”

    See my earlier post — # 44.

84. #84
    On July 28th, 2009 at 3:09 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Ragspierre: Nothing going to happen, he still has his fingers in his ears and is singing, “La, la, la…”

    Oh, I know. But he makes a useful idiot…er, foil.

85. #85
    On July 28th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    To happyscrapper, granite, Rogue Cheddar, and others who may be interested, I noticed your earlier talk about capitalizing, and here’s what I know (verified by my aging writers’ handbook):

    If you’re referring to the title, as in President Lincoln, President Reagan, President of the United States, capitalize the word “president” because it’s a proper noun. When you refer to the individual as a common noun, capitalization is not necessary (i.e., “that lousy president!” or “leave my president alone!”), just as you wouldn’t capitalize “the company president” or “the organization’s president.” I was making the same mistake for a long time up until recently when I remembered the difference.

    I hope I explained that properly, and if you already knew it, forget I said anything. Okay, shutting off my nerdy grammar mode…now.

86. #86
    On July 28th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, nail49 said:

    he makes a useful idiot…er, foil.

    Rags: Foil, yes, perhaps he does wear his tin-foil hat a tad tight.

87. #87
    On July 28th, 2009 at 4:27 pm, Mostly Annoyed said:

    letget & BobK: I continually received their mailings and began stuffing their return envelopes with their own trash and any other mailings I happened to receive that day (Carpet cleaning, pizza discounts, lawn care, etc) . I even included a handful of shredded paper once. Their mailings have tapered off, and now seemed to have stopped altogether because of my most recent action.

    I taped their return envelope to the outside of a large (14×11) manila envelope and REALLY stuffed it so it cost a LOT more than 5-cents when they had to pay the charges. I scrawled across their literature to “Stop sending me your material, I will never join any organization that had that POS Harry Belafonte as its POY!”

    I used to do the same thing with all the return envelopes, I was going to tape one envelope to a cement block but after calling the post office and discovering that they pay the same price regardless of weight, I stopped. At the time it was 42 cents. After thet I sent empty envelopes. Why punish the post office, they will just raise the postage sooner.

    Also from what mt mother tells me, unless you actually call AARP or send them a letter they will keep you listed as a member so they can say they represent more people. Not that she works for them but that was the information given over the phone with them.

88. #88
    On July 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm, WLBCO said:

    my wife and I have just returned our cut up membership cards. We totally disagree with AARP’s support of Obama’s “Soylent Green End of Life” style plan. God help us; first mthe unborn now the “Baby Boomers” before we cost too much money…

89. #89
    On July 28th, 2009 at 5:16 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Obama’s health-care push has been the most dishonest White House advocacy in recent memory. What he says about reform bears no relation to the legislation he wants Congress to pass as soon as recalcitrant Democrats can be bludgeoned into line. According to Obama, no one will lose his private coverage; costs will be controlled; and the legislation will be paid for. Obama must know that these are all politically necessary things to say, and also that none of them describes Nancy Pelosi’s handiwork.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjUzZjJjMDc5YTUxMzg3MzhjMjg1MzZjNDBkMmQ3N2Y=

    Liar, liar, House on fire.

90. #90
    On July 28th, 2009 at 5:33 pm, Little Ma said:

    The One said today that (and I paraphrase) if you spend, for instance, three weeks in a hospital, are discharged, and a couple of weeks later have to go back into the hospital, then the hospital will be fined for not having cured you the first time.

    This is supposed to be a cost-cutting measure. I suppose it would be, if the hospital would rather refuse to admit you the second time than pay the fine!

    What if you have a chronic illness that isn’t going to kill you, but neither can it be cured? And what if that illness requires occasional hospitalization to make you more comfortable and enable you to get on with your life? A lot of old people fall into this category.

    Maybe everyone over the age of seventy should sit on a melting ice floe and drift into oblivion.

91. #91
    On July 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Maybe everyone over the age of seventy should sit on a melting ice floe and drift into oblivion.

    Remember the definition of “the best revenge”.

    Do that, just to spite them.

92. #92
    On July 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm, Little Ma said:

    Okay, Rags! LOL

93. #93
    On July 28th, 2009 at 7:12 pm, mytake said:

    AARP…not for me. They don’t speak for me, but somehow I’ll bet that I’m included in their large lobbying efforts as a member. Although…. they have stopped sending me junk-mail. Still getting questionaires from the Republican Party though. Yesterday, I asked them to boot Lindsey Graham out of the party. When will they give up on me?

94. #94
    On July 28th, 2009 at 8:06 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Logan’s Run, Soylent Green, This Perfect Day by Ira Levin. Maybe a little Larry Niven and any story dealing with corpsicles. All worth reading. All prescient.

    Why is it that science fiction is catching up to reality more quickly under Democrat domination?

95. #95
    On July 28th, 2009 at 10:51 pm, lgm said:

    happyscrapper said (#52):

    Everyone knows that Obama is scripted at the meetings.

    I guess I missed class that day. Can you please remind me what the evidence was? Maybe with a link?

    Ragspierre said (#62):

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 47% are in favor of the reform effort proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats while 49% are opposed.

    Good post — actual information. Questions: what is the margin of error/sample size? What was the exact question? Anyway, it’s pretty close.

    WLBCO said (#88):

    We totally disagree with AARP’s support of Obama’s “Soylent Green End of Life” style plan.

    I have to hand it to Republicans — they do misinformation way better than Obama. Obama proposed that there should be a mechanism that would allow people to make their living will wishes known. Nobody is forced to create a living will. The contents of living wills are not dictated by the law. People without living wills often have their end of life painfully dragged out against their wishes.

96. #96
    On July 29th, 2009 at 2:53 am, Kingfish said:

    This day of the week ends in a “y,” so it must be time to scare old people with another scripted townhall meeting:

    Alternatively, This day of the week ends in a “y,” so it must be time to assuage my ego and be on television. After all, it is not all about me..

    The Jug Eared One from Kenya’s name is actually a play on words.

    A “bam” between the Omega and the alpha (the end and the beginning for all the linguists here)

97. #97
    On July 29th, 2009 at 2:57 am, Kingfish said:

    lgm: To quote Samuel Clemmons, “Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

    We all can reason the purpose behind Jug Ears’ living will…to ensure sucession of Power. Constitutional Admendment be damned.

98. #98
    On July 29th, 2009 at 6:44 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    There is nothing to indicate that this meeting will be scripted.

    Even the Lonely Gonad knows better–”Bush Did It!”
    
    Chicago sees coldest July in 66 years; Average temp 68.9 degrees…
    
    Bush did it!

    Young boy’s bicycle has flat tire!

    Bush did it!

    Lonely Gonad Blames Bush!

    Bush did it!

    My Left Gonad itches!

    Bush did it!

    The Jug Eared One from Kenya? Thank you Kingfish-fits nicely with Old Blue Lips

99. #99
    On July 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am, sgcwi said:

    I was sent this condensed version. Sorry if it is alreay posted somewhere
    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS
    that self insure!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill-THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what
    treatment/benefits you get.

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill–YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 42 of HC bill-the Health Choices Commissoner will choose your HC
    benefits
    for you. You have no choice!

    Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill-HC will be provide to all non US citizens,
    illegal or otherwise.

    Pg 58 HC Bill-Govt will have real-time access to individual’s finances &
    a
    National ID Healthcard will be issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank
    accounts
    for electronic funds transfer.

    Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees & their families
    in
    Unions & community organizations (ACORN)

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 creates a HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under
    Govt
    control..

    Pg 84 Sec 203 HC Bill-Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC
    plans in the Exchange.

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill-Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt
    will
    ration your Healthcare!

    PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill-Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.
    Example-translation for illegal aliens.

    PG 95 HC Bill lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN &
    AMERICORPS
    to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. & AARP
    members-your HC will be rationed.

    PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill-Medicaid Eligible individuals will be
    automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

    PG 124 Lines 24-25 HC Bill-No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No
    “judicial review” against Govt monopoly.

    Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill-Doctors/AMA-The Govt will tell YOU what you can
    make.

    Pg 145 Lines 15-17 An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees into
    public option plan. NO CHOICE.

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND
    their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400,000 & above who does
    not
    provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

    Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251K & 400K who
    doesn’t
    provide public option pays 2-6% on all payroll.

    PG 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC
    according
    to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill-Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual
    taxes. (Americans will pay)

    Pg 195 HC Bill-Officers & employees of HC Administration (Govt) will have
    access to ALL citizens financial /personal records.

    PG 203 Lines 14-15 HC Bill-”The tax imposed under this section shall not
    be
    treated as tax”. Yes, it says that!

    Pg 239 Lines 14-24 HC Bill-Govt will reduce physician services for
    Medicaid.
    Seniors, low income, poor affected.

    Pg 241 Lines 6-8 HC Bill-Doctors, it doesn’t matter what specialty you
    have,
    you’ll all be paid the same.

    PG 253 Lines 10-18 HC Bill-Govt sets value of Dr’s time, professional
    judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

    PG 265 Sec 1131 HC Bill- Govt mandates & controls productivity for
    private
    HC industries.

    PG 268 Sec 1141 HC Bill- Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven
    wheelchairs.

    Pg 272 Sec 1145 TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS-Cancer
    patients-welcome to rationing!

    Pg 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems
    preventable readmissions.

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 HC Bill- Dr’s who treat a patient during initial
    admission
    that results in a readmission will be penalized!

    PG 317 Lines 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs.
    what/how much they can own.

    PG 317-318 Lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion-Govt mandating
    hospitals cannot expand.

    Pg 321 Lines 2-13 Hospitals have option to apply for exception BUT
    community
    input required! ACORN?

    Pg 335 Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339-Govt mandates establishment of outcome
    based
    measures. HC the way they want. Also known as rationing.

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans,
    HMOs,
    etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people
    i.e.
    down syndrome etc.

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy-Telehealth Advisory
    Committee.
    (HC by phone)

    Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation.
    (Senior
    Citizen end of life)

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills,
    durable powers of attorney. MANDATORY!

    Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3- Govt provides approved list of end of
    life resources, guiding you in death.

    Pg 427 Lines 15-24-Govt mandates program for order for end of life. The
    Govt has a say in how/when your life ends.

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 an “Advanced Care Planning Consultant” will be used
    frequently as patients health deteriorates.

    Pg 429 Lines 10-12-”Advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for
    end
    of life plans. An ORDER from the Govt.

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25- The Govt will specify which Doctors can write an end
    of
    life order.

    Pg 430 Lines 11-15- The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will
    have at end of life.

    Pg 469 Community Based Home Medical Services=Non-Profit organizations.
    Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

    Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly
    payment to a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

    Pg 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover marriage & family thereapy. Which
    means
    they will insert Govt into your marriage.

    Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Menatal Health Svcs including defining,
    creating,
    rationing those services.

    Here’s the full Health Care bill that sits in the House:

100. #100
     On July 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, purealchemy said:

     Hey, all you pikers!
     We’re doing a marathon on the thread for “Don’t Taze Me Bro’” on previous entry page.
     Trying to hit 3,000 messages in a thread.
     You have nothing better to do, right? LOL