On July 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
Here’s an open thread. Talk amongst yourselves.

I think, in post context, she had in mind more her interview on “Today” for folks to “talk amongst”, Pill. But since Scrapper and I went off on to our own little off-topic confab here, I can’t very well cite you as an “offender”, can I? lol

But on this:

Michelle, please give us a new thread specifically to discuss

I was trying to find a polite way to say it probably ain’t gonna happen, since I believe Michelle is not all that anxious to “go there” in general. Note a previous MM post:

Supreme Court turns down Obama citizenship appeal

(It doesn’t hurt anything for you to ask though.)

If I were Lauer in that take-down masquerading as an “interview,” I’d be torn as to what to say: I’d be either cringing on my chair while whimpering “Don’t hurt me!” or getting down on my knees, ripping my shirt open and pleading, “Do that again!”

More likely the latter.

When Michelle posts on the topic, Pill, that’ll be the place to comment on it.

She said this was an open thread, so my comment is perfectly acceptable in this thread.

But she has already pondered some time back why it should be a problem to open the longform BC to public inspection.

You miss the point – the longform BC is a completely separate issue.

Obama’s own campaign admitted that he had foreign citizenship from birth (as a British subject) through his 21st birthday (as a Kenyan citizen).

Wake up! He didn’t have to be born in Kenya to be a Kenyan citizen. His own campaign admitted that he was, due to the citizenship of his father!

We don’t need a longform BC to show that Obama was exactly the type of person that first Chief Justice John Jay (nominated by first President George Washington) intendend to exclude from eligibility to hold the office of President.

You either aren’t smart enough to understand that, or you are and you are trying to obfuscate the issue.

The only way the longform BC becomes relevant is if it shows a different father (or no father) for Obama. Then the argument could be made that he is eligible to hold the office of President, but then he would also be guilty of forgery, perjury, obstruction of justice, etc., etc., etc.!

On July 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, purplepeep said:

Michelle will have to keep the book current re: the Obama gang’s ongoing culture of corruption!

No doubt. At this rate there will have to be eight installments to keep up with it all.

He couldn’t against Michelle’s fiery responses.

Great visual.

ITookTheRedPill said:
Michelle, please give us a new thread specifically to discuss
Obama’s Presidential (in)eligibility.

When Michelle posts on the topic, Pill, that’ll be the place to comment on it. But she has already pondered some time back why it should be a problem to open the longform BC to public inspection.

Here’s an open thread. Talk amongst yourselves.

Michelle, please give us a new thread specifically to discuss

Obama’s Presidential (in)eligibility.

Regardless of Birth Certificate, this is a serious Constitutional issue:

1) The issue is Presidential eligibility, not merely birth location.

2) The Constitution explicitly requires that

“No person except a natural born Citizen … shall be eligible to the Office of President”

3) Nowhere in the original Constitution, its ratified Amendments, or Supreme Court decisions, is the term “natural born citizen” conclusively defined.

In more than one Supreme Court decision, however, doubts have been raised as to whether a person such as Obama (born to a father who was never a U.S. citizen) can be considered a “natural born citizen”. For example, in “Minor v Happersett”, (1875, more than six years after the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868) the Supreme Court said:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

4) Any consideration of the founders’ original intent for Presidential eligibility must take into account the writings of the man who became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court (John Jay).

On July 25th, 1787, John Jay wrote the following to George Washington, then Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

It was this letter that caused Clause 5 of Article II to exist in our Constitution. Since the oldest natural born citizens in 1787 were only 11 years old, a grandfather clause was included for those who were citizens at the time of the Constitution’s adoption. But the clear intent was to disqualify “Foreigners” from becoming President and Commander in Chief of our armed forces.

5) On a web site run by the Obama campaign (it explicitly stated “PAID FOR BY OBAMA FOR AMERICA” at the bottom of the page), it was openly admitted that Barack Obama had FOREIGN citizenship from birth until his 21st birthday.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

I think it is pretty clear that John Jay and George Washington, our first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and first President, would “declare expressly” that Barack Hussein Obama (also known as Barry Soetoro, Indonesian citizen) is NOT eligible to hold the office of President.

AlohaGuy said:
Number 1 at Amazon and number 1 at B&N.
New shoes for the kids this year!

More like for the “next 3 years, too”, AlohaGuy. Michelle will have to keep the book current re: the Obama gang’s ongoing culture of corruption!

zyzzyg said:

And, no. Nothing escaped me. Though it seems ‘plural’ vs ’singular’ escaped someone.

And I didn’t even mention “I before E except after C”, zyz. (Oops, I just did!)