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		<title>By: Unexpected Criticism from Camille Paglia: &#8216;Simpering WH Press Sec. Robert Gibbs Should Be Fired for Dismissive Attitude of NYC Air Force One Flyover&#8217; &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unexpected Criticism from Camille Paglia: &#8216;Simpering WH Press Sec. Robert Gibbs Should Be Fired for Dismissive Attitude of NYC Air Force One Flyover&#8217; &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Late Friday personnel dump: Scare Force One staffer “resigns” Doug Powers, Michelle Malkin: Friday photo dump: Defense Dept. releases a pile of Manhattan fly-by pics, manifest Behind Blue Lines: Camille Paglia: A Strange Servility Toward Big Government John Romano, Big [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Late Friday personnel dump: Scare Force One staffer “resigns” Doug Powers, Michelle Malkin: Friday photo dump: Defense Dept. releases a pile of Manhattan fly-by pics, manifest Behind Blue Lines: Camille Paglia: A Strange Servility Toward Big Government John Romano, Big [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mattm</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to the poor quality if the images the whole &quot;photo-op&quot; seems like a cover up to me.  If ti was truly a photo op I would expect to see some decent photos.

I still want to know who was on the aircraft as a passenger and not essential military personnel.  Until I see proof then I still have reason to believe that this was a pay off to top donors and lawmakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the poor quality if the images the whole &#8220;photo-op&#8221; seems like a cover up to me.  If ti was truly a photo op I would expect to see some decent photos.</p>
<p>I still want to know who was on the aircraft as a passenger and not essential military personnel.  Until I see proof then I still have reason to believe that this was a pay off to top donors and lawmakers.</p>
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		<title>By: WarEagle82</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarEagle82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be so funny if it weren&#039;t so true!  Instead it is just sad...
&lt;blockquote&gt;
 On August 1st, 2009 at 12:59 am, Rob Roy said:

Since the “cash for…” program is the only thing that has “worked” for obama so far, he is going to franchise the idea. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be so funny if it weren&#8217;t so true!  Instead it is just sad&#8230;</p>
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 On August 1st, 2009 at 12:59 am, Rob Roy said:</p>
<p>Since the “cash for…” program is the only thing that has “worked” for obama so far, he is going to franchise the idea. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Dept. of Defense releases documents related to NYC &#8216;Air Force One&#8217; Flyover &#124; Unequal Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dept. of Defense releases documents related to NYC &#8216;Air Force One&#8217; Flyover &#124; Unequal Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin &#124; Friday photo dump: Defense Dept. releases a pile of Manhattan fly-by pics, manifest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sunday Ghost Light: Flickering Beams &#171; Thespis Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday Ghost Light: Flickering Beams &#171; Thespis Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin is vigorously covering the Obama Scandals; You have to read her work [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The small size, large number and poor quality of the photos suggest to me that they were extracted from a video.

Oldcollegeguy - the missiles on the wingtips are AIM-120s, not AIM-9s.  There are AIM-9s loaded inboard, however.

Boomer - blue is indeed the color for inert, but brown and yellow stripes are used on the live ones (If memory serves, yellow is for the warhead).

Unfortunately, the poor fidelity of the photos/frames is such that I can&#039;t really tell if these are live or not.  If you can tell that they&#039;re blue, I&#039;ll accept it.

I think what most folks missed in the first reporting of this incident was that the mission lasted ~ 4 hours.  This is common, they regularly fly training missions to practice tactics and maneuvers that would be not just classified, but unnerving and risky to passengers as well.  I work near the New Castle County Airport in Delaware, the aircraft are occasionally spotted flying &quot;touch and go&quot; there, as the airport is on a very long list of diverts for AF1 and the crews are expected to have a familiarity with diverts in excess of what any other type of pilot would have (after all, a divert for AF1 may be needed when events have rendered services such as ATC and radio navigation aids inoperative).  Point is, though, that the the claim of &quot;X dollars spent for a photo op&quot; is a bit of a stretch since the flyover was a small percentage of the overall mission.  Also, if they were flying that type of training mission, the likelihood of passengers is small due to risk and classification of maneuvers performed.

All of this comes not from my political views (which are solidly conservative) but my experience as a 20-year USAF veteran who still works in the defense industry.  A joyride for dignitaries would never be combined with a 4-hour training mission, and an order to do so even from the WH would be an unlawful one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The small size, large number and poor quality of the photos suggest to me that they were extracted from a video.</p>
<p>Oldcollegeguy &#8211; the missiles on the wingtips are AIM-120s, not AIM-9s.  There are AIM-9s loaded inboard, however.</p>
<p>Boomer &#8211; blue is indeed the color for inert, but brown and yellow stripes are used on the live ones (If memory serves, yellow is for the warhead).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the poor fidelity of the photos/frames is such that I can&#8217;t really tell if these are live or not.  If you can tell that they&#8217;re blue, I&#8217;ll accept it.</p>
<p>I think what most folks missed in the first reporting of this incident was that the mission lasted ~ 4 hours.  This is common, they regularly fly training missions to practice tactics and maneuvers that would be not just classified, but unnerving and risky to passengers as well.  I work near the New Castle County Airport in Delaware, the aircraft are occasionally spotted flying &#8220;touch and go&#8221; there, as the airport is on a very long list of diverts for AF1 and the crews are expected to have a familiarity with diverts in excess of what any other type of pilot would have (after all, a divert for AF1 may be needed when events have rendered services such as ATC and radio navigation aids inoperative).  Point is, though, that the the claim of &#8220;X dollars spent for a photo op&#8221; is a bit of a stretch since the flyover was a small percentage of the overall mission.  Also, if they were flying that type of training mission, the likelihood of passengers is small due to risk and classification of maneuvers performed.</p>
<p>All of this comes not from my political views (which are solidly conservative) but my experience as a 20-year USAF veteran who still works in the defense industry.  A joyride for dignitaries would never be combined with a 4-hour training mission, and an order to do so even from the WH would be an unlawful one.</p>
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		<title>By: simcoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>simcoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not releasing the photos had much more to do with embarrassment of the lack of quality for money spent than any security issues. Names withheld for the same reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not releasing the photos had much more to do with embarrassment of the lack of quality for money spent than any security issues. Names withheld for the same reason.</p>
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		<title>By: oldcollegeguy1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldcollegeguy1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Friday is the day they announce the bank closures too&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And there were 5 more this friday.

Plus one more for last week, bringing last fridays number to 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Friday is the day they announce the bank closures too</p></blockquote>
<p>And there were 5 more this friday.</p>
<p>Plus one more for last week, bringing last fridays number to 7</p>
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		<title>By: The Million Dollar Photo &#8211; Updated 8/1/09 &#171; The Liberty Boys</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Million Dollar Photo &#8211; Updated 8/1/09 &#171; The Liberty Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin has more on the Friday document dump. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RachelD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RachelD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not happy about the flyover, but I&#039;m really unhappy about the photoshop of Lady Liberty. That&#039;s not funny. 
Let&#039;s leave the dirty gestures to the experts on the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not happy about the flyover, but I&#8217;m really unhappy about the photoshop of Lady Liberty. That&#8217;s not funny.<br />
Let&#8217;s leave the dirty gestures to the experts on the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianNY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here’s one of the pictures:&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I can see my sailboat docked just underneath the port wing in this picture of AF One banking left!

Can I sue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here’s one of the pictures:</p></blockquote>
<p>I can see my sailboat docked just underneath the port wing in this picture of AF One banking left!</p>
<p>Can I sue?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the &quot;cash for...&quot; program is the only thing that has &quot;worked&quot; for obama so far, he is going to franchise the idea. 

Those pictures were from the cash for your clunker jet program.
 
Coming soon...

Cash for your grandma healthcare program.

Cash for your failed local bank program.

Cash for your failing school program.

Cash for your carbon footprint program.

Cash for your failed state dictator program.

Cash for your green energy jobs program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the &#8220;cash for&#8230;&#8221; program is the only thing that has &#8220;worked&#8221; for obama so far, he is going to franchise the idea. </p>
<p>Those pictures were from the cash for your clunker jet program.</p>
<p>Coming soon&#8230;</p>
<p>Cash for your grandma healthcare program.</p>
<p>Cash for your failed local bank program.</p>
<p>Cash for your failing school program.</p>
<p>Cash for your carbon footprint program.</p>
<p>Cash for your failed state dictator program.</p>
<p>Cash for your green energy jobs program.</p>
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		<title>By: The President is starting to drive people crazy &#171; Jim Blazsik</title>
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		<dc:creator>The President is starting to drive people crazy &#171; Jim Blazsik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friday photo dump: Defense Dept. releases a pile of Manhattan fly-by pics, manifest By Doug Powers  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: POTUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>POTUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny.  The photos are released inside a PDF file scrubbed of even the camera metadata.  I guess it&#039;s TOP SECRET on what type of camera and settings the photos were taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny.  The photos are released inside a PDF file scrubbed of even the camera metadata.  I guess it&#8217;s TOP SECRET on what type of camera and settings the photos were taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama Gang Freaks Out New York City With 9/11 Plane Stunt &#171; BUUUUURRRRNING HOT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Gang Freaks Out New York City With 9/11 Plane Stunt &#171; BUUUUURRRRNING HOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now, two months after their idiocy, they finally release their own photos to prove how much it was worth the taxpayer money and [...]</description>
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