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Talk amongst yourselves. I’m grabbing a little rest today and gearing up for Week 2 of the Culture of Corruption book tour. Tomorrow, I’m scheduled to appear on the panel of This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Yes, really.
You can watch yesterday’s Washington Journal appearance here and my encounter with Matt Lauer here.
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I gotta get on line more often. I was just perusing the DUmmies at their site and read a term i had not seen before. “Deathers”. Apparently they are upset over talk radio making much about doctors supposedly counseling the lederly on things like end of life issues, living wills, etc. They were very big on the average person being too “stupid to understand” the issue. I understand one thing. If I, or anyone else, has already made our plans and desires known, like a living will, why would a doctor have to revisit the issue every 5 years unless it was to hurry us along to save Obamacare money? Yep, I’ll have one foot over the grave and a govt. doctor throwing banana peels under the other foot.
Was the person who was selling the $2,200 vehicle also buying a new car himself?
By outbidding him. A vehicle that had been worth $2200 on the open market suddenly became worth $4500 as a trade-in.
Stillwaiting, by taking old vehicles as trade-ins at inflated prices, and then turning around and destroying those vehicles, the government is causing a shortage of used vehicles. Many vehicles that could have been purchased used for low prices will no longer be available and those that are left will bring a higher price because of the laws of supply and demand.
Of course, the greenie-meanie liberals don’t care anything about such consequences that result from their feel-good actions.
I just saw on Twitter that Michelle has scheduled herself to be mugged by The View on Monday!
They don’t fight fair- yet I am sure Michelle can handle them easily!
It is also surfacing that many legislators are going to duck the people back home by canceling the town halls that were scheduled. Anyone else hearing this?
Spent most of my day doing yardwork and watering. We haven’t had a good rain in over a week, and it’s been hot and dry – unusual for us in the Pacific Northwest.
I never watch the View, so I’ll probably end up watching Michelle later, on Youtube or something. I look forward to seeing her smack them down!
Atheling:
Do you have any updates on Tea Party meetings or rallies in the Tacoma/Olympia region?
Please help
Not really. How can the government artifically raise the price of a vehicle??? Are they that involved in private enterprise? I think I am going to be sick.
On August 1st, 2009 at 9:50 pm, happyscrapper said:
This may be interpreted as a supply and demand dtatement, where the disappearing used cars lowers the availability, increses the demand and therefore price on which the free market will allow.
I wouldn’t be surprised. These cowards can’t face the people they are supposed to be working for. They HAVE to know the people are angry. And that we don’t want the stuff they are pushing on us. So they just avoid us??? We need to find a way to get to them even if they don’t have town halls scheduled. Can we picket outside their homes if we are non-violent? There has to be a way to be heard! This is just nuts. Dam% them all to he11. Sorry…I am so angry! They aren’t fit to fling burgers at McDonalds. Corrupt, lying SOB’s.
Just as I’ve become interested in buying a “clunker” i.e., one that is “pre-computer chip” w/ the only elec being a 12V batt & a generator, the Obamastration artificially inflates the market for clunkers w/ their GovMot prop-up scam! I hope their taxpayer Cash rebate scheme dies in the Senate.
Everyone call your representatives and ask them if they plan to avoid the people who voted them into office and can get them fired. Let’s see what they say to that!! Or at least the poor schlump who has to answer their phones while they hide under their desks. I have a feeling that e-mailing and phoning is no longer going to work. They will just tune it out. We need to get up close and personal.
I just visted the local Ford dealership web site and the Rangers they were selling for 16 to 17k are now at 20+……
ew happy, with Pelosi Galore, Feinkenstein and Boxer Shorts. no thank you very much.
No, I’ve heard nothing. I want to schedule a townhall with our congressman Norm Dicks, and muster folks to attend. Liberty Belle in Seattle is the best contact I know of for Seattle/Tacoma. I know she’s had rallies against Obamacare in Bellevue and Seattle.
The Evergreen Freedom Foundation is a source for Olympia. I susbscribe to them, but haven’t received any emails about upcoming protests.
Ugh…what was I thinking?
Yeah, I’s rather get close to a road kill skunk. lmao
I’d
happyscrapper:
You can call your congressman and schedule a meeting with him or her, and bring about 5 people to give yourself some weight. I don’t know if they would take more than that if they are not doing townhalls.
It’s time for Pitchforks and Torches.
I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately. In fact, a sign with a big pitchfork on it might be a decent substitute. I have a feeling that taking a real pitchfork to a rally might not be a good idea. Just a thought.
Have a good night everyone…this old lady is tired!
happyscaperanswer to your question. The giverment is enticing people to purchase cars in a lot of cases sooner than they normally would, especially considering the economic times we’re in. Most will be financing at their local giverment bank, now partially owned by guess who. These cars will be destroyed , melted down, removing potential parts for repairs needed by, as I mentioned in my 1st post, mainly less affluent, poor folk as myself. So, what parts are left just jumped in price, basic economics, supply and demand. Then the clunker steel is sold to our good friends and major buyer of U.S. Treasury notes the Chinese. That steel will be melted down and made into other products and shipped back to the states and around the world.
As far as why would the price go up on the “clunker “, I had my eye on? Well, if you were selling a used vehicle for say $2200.00 which is say a fair close blue book price, the giverment comes in and pays 4500.00 for that vehicle if you trade it in on a new environmentally better care, the price of that car I wanted just doubled. thanks to Obamacars. Artificially stimulating the price of the older cars for sale. Not to mention as I said above remove millions of car parts from the used parts market. Hope that makes it clearer why I can’t buy that car now.
I’d say it’s time for tar and feathers.
200 people plus carrying pitchforks and torches…. lol, what are they going to do?
not to use them just symbolic, anything they did wouldn’t look to good. Especially in this new stupid PC world.
In this case yes, I’m willing to bet there are thousands in the same situation taking place. The giverment is enticing people to buy cars earlier than they intended, can’t blame the new car buyers for that. I don’t hold ill feelings towards the potential seller I’m referring to, we didn’t have an agreement written of verbal…I’m just saying the price of a lot cars doubled artificially.
What I think is over looked by most folks is who’s going to pay for the what is it three billion dollars in “clunkers” now, oh yeah that’s right the tax payer.
Well in the midst of Cash for Clunkers I had a great day.
I found my ancestral home on my mother’s side in Norway. A beautiful fishing vilage on the west coast. I also found out that my great great grandfather who came to America in 1849 at age 18 in New York is not up north like we all expected. He is actually buried in the same state I live in. My so son lives no more tha 8 miles away from where he lies.
I am an American in part because of my Great Great grandfather’s courage in coming here. I intend to find his grave, attend to it, and honor him. He is my family.
“If I, or anyone else, has already made our plans and desires known, like a living will, why would a doctor have to revisit the issue every 5 years unless it was to hurry us along to save Obamacare money?”
While I can’t speak for Obama’s intention the idea or principle that you should review your living will and advanced directives is sound. And as life comes to a close it should be reviewed more often. What folks at the end of their lives wanted for themselves last year is often times quite different this year as diseases progress. The idea of treatment and aggressive care last year may mean pointless prolonging of life this year. So every person should review their advanced directives and living wills regularly and as life comes to a close the review should be quite frequent.
As a hospice nurse I don’t think people are too stupid to understand. I do think there is a problem with the general public’s use of advanced directives and living wills however. People can understand if given proper information AND they want to understand. I can clear a room quickly by bringing the subject up. Believe me as I’ve had the experience of doing so.
Stopping aggressive care at end of life is not always because someone has sinister money saving motives. There is way too wide a brush being used to paint end of life care issues by many anti-Obama folks. In their rush to state their total disdain for socialized medicine and the speculation regarding end of life intentions by Obama, folks are displaying their ignorance of the way things are currently and what end of life care is about and end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
glad I ate before I saw that.
That’s gotta make you feel good, good for you. Starting to track my family down now…it’s exciting when you find one or facts about the one’s you already know of.
I’ve been reading on other blogs that this Obama/Joker poster has been popping up around the Los Angeles area, but no one is claiming.
You’re joking, right? You think it’s okay for government to MANDATE this? And you say you can’t “speak” for Obama’s intentions?
You obviously have no clue what socialism is about, and what its historical record is.
And atheling you obviously have no idea what reading comprehension is about.
rightisright,
Thank you and good luck with your search, My cousin got a lot of the information. It was shocking to find out my ancestor instead of going to Minnesota, like we thought, because his son lived there, actually settled in my state, Iowa, and lived there from age 24 until his death at 78 in 1909.
I hope we can find his grave. That would be special.
Oh yes I do. Not only do I have good reading comprehension, I also see the larger picture and its patterns, and yours is that you often make the case for the side of the bureaucrat.
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen you engage in this kind of smokescreen.
Very moving.
Odopey’s an Idiot plain and simple, and a lot more people are finally realizing it. Starting with classless gifts to the queen, apology tours, NY Flyovers, porkulus, etc, etc, etc….
Odopeys presidency is a Giant Clunker Meltdown.
Got it…you lost an opportunity because of the clunker program and the owner’s willingness to buy a brand new car.
Originally I thought you were saying the car’s owner believed the car could be sold for more because a potential buyer could then turn around and trade it in on a new car under the clunker program–I’ve had that conversation with a dozen co-workers…that you can’t buy a car to trade in–you have to have owned the car for a year before you could get the $3,500 or $4,500.
Would you be interested in a 1991 New Yorker? =) Good luck on the family research!
I see our confusion now, I’m surprised the dems planned that far ahead, wouldn’t that stop some under handed shenanigans that their famous for…lol. Then again possibly that was conservative input in the bill.
Thanks for good luck, getting my feet wet with the geneology, won’t be easy with limited family, but no one said it would be easy out here in the west.
That would be something to find his grave…I certainly appreciate your idea of looking over the site when you find it. Best of luck finding the site.
Lauer, left speechless, love it!
ooops, my post #138 was intended for Stillwaiting, hate getting old…lol…not really, life goes…it’s the memory thingy that bothers me…or lack of I should say.
Attention Maryland residents, please attend this University of MD townhall meeting w/ Senator Cardin if you’re able. Let’s fill his ears and empty head with the people’s voice! Of course, he’s holding this townhall in the middle of the day while the people who make this country work are AT WORK!
Senator Benjamin Cardin Town Hall Meeting
ID: 19710
When: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:00 PM – 2:00 PM
Where: Stamp Student Union : Grand Ballroom Lounge
Event Type(s): Special Event
U.S. Senator Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD) will hold a Town Hall meeting on Tuesday, Sept. 2, at 1:00 pm to discuss the important issues facing the next President and Congress. From the environment to energy independence to the economy and foreign policy, Senator Cardin will stress that this is a critical time in our nation’s history and it is important for everyone to get involved. The Town Hall meeting is free and open to all students, staff, faculty and the general public.
For more information, contact:
Sapienza Barone
+1 301 405 5790
sbarone@umd.edu
But that is the most likely reason why it would happen, JSMiddleton.
Socialized medicine doesn’t work. Take a look at the rationing, shortages in Canada and the UK. In fact If we adopt their model, their own health care system will collapse deeper than it already has, because they will no longer have any incentive to pay their doctors wages close enough to American doctor wages to keep the UK/Canadian docs from emigratijng to the US as physicians. The soviet Union had so many women doctors not because of feminism, but because the wages for a Soviet doctor were barely above that of a plumber, so there was no financial incentive for men to go into medicine.
Do I really have to go blow-by-blow on this subject?
I’ll pray for you ms. Malkin. The views going down.
NEED YOUR HELP!! There was an article I read today that listed all the bad parts of the Health Care bill from page 16 all the way through,page by page to 1000. Now I can’t find it any where. Does this sound familiar. Anybody got any ideas where I might find this. I know an organization had read the bill then listed the crap they were finding on the various pages. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks
“On August 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pm, Kingfish said:
Atheling:
Do you have any updates on Tea Party meetings or rallies in the Tacoma/Olympia region?
Please help”
I don’t if this site is useful for contacts/info but it might be worth checking out:
Tea Party, locations.
If you have local conservative talk radio hosts/programs, they also might be another good source of info.
I believe this Google search link might steer you in the right direction, BC. Hope it helps.
Or just click here, BC.
Unfortunately many – if not most – old folks trust what a doctor says because well, “he’s a doctor”. I don’t think you’ll find too many people who want to have cost/ideology driven medicos verbally abusing, pushing, shoving, wheedling, their older family members into government- demanded euthanasia.
Remember Dr.Obama’s well thought out prescription for older folks:”You can’t have pacemakers, just take some pain pills instead.”
Prehaps we should be looking at Obama’a Health Care Plan as Clunker Care. Pay a dividend to get it out of circulation, crush it, box it up and send it to China as scrap.
Cash 4 Clunkers -
I don’t see the program as being anything more than looking for simple ways of using stinulus money in a way that can relate to the sheeple, and in a time when car sales have been flat for more than a year. There are only so many pothole repair and repaving projects to do. What’s next…Cash 4 energy insufficient appliances? A great tool to boost those poll numbers there, Obambi! Just another way to burn up that trillion dollar stimulus pot of tax payers’ money.
ObamaCare -
This is socialized, government subsidized, single payer, WelfareCare for all. We’ll end up giving the government half of everything we produce, and they will (claim to) take care of us, decide for us, and think for us. Then, of course, bury us.
That’s what we’ll have after Cap and Trade stifles the production of energy.
For those of you who are working on your genealogy, if you have any questions, let me know. I have been researching my family and my husband’s family for over 20 years. And Flyoverman…finding a long lost ancestor’s grave is deeply moving. I know, as I have found many. From searching gravestone to gravestone in Swanton, Vermont, to hiking along the Vermont/Central railroad tracks in Sharon, Vermont looking for an old farmstead graveyard, to finding the stone of my great-grandfather in Wisconsin Rapids…it is spine-tingling every time. My great-grandfather in Wisconsin died at age 39, but I still haven’t been able to find out what happened. In fact, that mystery is what prompted me to write my novel, base on a 100-year-old murder! Not published yet. I’ll let you know if that ever happens. All of you genealogists…GOOD LUCK! You have to be stubborn and tenacious to be successful…and I am both of those things.
By the way, I found a TON of great information by getting in touch with distant cousins via the internet. Just go to the state and county you are interested in and post on their query line. I can’t tell you how many cousins I found that way and we have shared so much! That is how I discovered my Mayflower connection. Never could have done that on my own.
It’s already here. Take a trip to Home Depot and look around. Energy Star rating is a big deal these days, just like the frisbee was. I’m okay with saving on my electric bill, and replacing an appliance that DIED with an energy efficient model, but don’t tell me, Mr. Obama, that I have to replace clunkers that don’t clunk yet!
I just saw a lady on FOX & Friends this a.m. talking about the idea of putting something in the ignition of every new car so that you can’t start the car if you have had more than a certain alcohol level. I know they have that for convicted drunk drivers…but for everyone?? Folks, Big Brother is HERE, and there are many sheeple who think that is perfectly O.K! It isn’t going to take much more for me to head for the hills!
Okay…head for the hills, get your Glock, and report back to duty!
Ha! Well, I don’t own a glock, and if I did, you probably would consider me part of the problem rather than helping out. My best weapon is my mouth!
Americanism, people today don’t get that we are moving to a Fascist Oligarchy. It may be redundant but everyone should view this video, and pass it around. It seems like common sense to most of us, but many who voted last November did so by Popularity Contest not Substance. We are all paying for a lack of civics education in our country. What is the count of former Goldman Sachs and Chase Bank folks who are involved one way or another in the present administration? How many Czars are there now?
What’s going on isn’t American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG6ejR-S0qY
since this is open thread, are there any MEN left in britain, or have anyone with a pair emigrated to australia and canada. the british army is complaining that afghanistan is too tough and we let them do the hard work there. jesus h. we wiped out the taliban and then they let them back in while admiring their posters of boy george. they have had what 500 deaths to date in the war. jesus no wonder the sun sets on the british empire now in 15 seconds.
Cheapseat, if you keep up with British news these days, you’ll see how “dumb-downed” and cowed their society has come. Rescuers don’t rescue. Police stay back and then arrest the victims. Say anything derogatory about anyone, and get arrested. It’s a mess. Now imagine, over the years, young people going into the army, raised in such a society. Any wonder? Heck, it is more profitable for families to split up than stay together…up to 20% increase in income. Wild place.
Add to that the unchecked immigration of radical muslims who are working hard to force sharia law down their throats, and all of this coming to a country near you very very soon, much of it already here. I greatly fear that we are going to see a war on our own soil within a very few years.
Here are two great links at Newsbusters.
Cash for clunkers video sparks outrage via Youtube.
The Obama Joker poster.
Enjoy!
I am deeply immersed in MM’s book today! It is awesome! And speaking of awesome, I saw the George Stuffanappleupyourass show this a.m. and MM again did a fantastic job. She was on a panel of four…and of course was outnumbered by the libs 4-1(that includes little Georgie). In the small amount of time they allowed her to speak, she rocked! At the end, I came very close to throwing a lamp at my TV when the guy from WSJ, of all places, threw in a great stereotype of anyone critical of Obama’s plans. He said the criticism is coming mostly from the south (you know, those crackers who cling…etc.) and from conservatives (you know, those radical right-wing extremists), you get the picture. Just a little “dig” at the end of the program and no time for Michelle to respond, of course. She would have eaten his lunch. Sigh. I fear the “ladies” on the view are going to be even uglier than usual tomorrow. Pray for Michelle. Those dames play rough and are totally radical moonbats. They will interrupt, talk over her…and how much do you want to bet none of them will even look at MM when they talk? I will watch it. I figure, if MM is willing to sit with those devils, the least I can do is watch and pray.
Prolonging life is NEVER pointless.
Not sure I agree with that. I have a living Will which states that I don’t want to be kept alive by a respirator if I am clinically brain dead or have a terminal disease with no hope of recovery. I absolutely do not wish to be kept alive under those circustances. I believe in an afterlife and don’t want anyone keeping me here in a state of suspended animation, hovering between life and death while I linger on unaware of anything. This sounds hideous to me. I agree that life is precious and should be preserved whenever possible and feasable. But I want to be in control of my final destiny by having that living Will on file at my hospital, with my lawyer, and in the hands of my loved ones…all of them.
Happyscrapper,
I am not saying that there are not circumstances under which a person could rationally choose to have a living will stating there are circumstances under which they will no longer want life-saving procedures, and under which it would be ethically permissable to abide by that person’s CLEARLY STATED AND DOCUMENTED wishes, or even under which the only ethically permissable thing to do would be to abide by that person’s clearly stated and documented wishes. I am only saying there are no circumstances under which the prolonging of life is pointless. Life is a point in itself. Life is one of the two things I believe to be sacred; free will is the other. And I would never, ever tell someone who wanted to live, or who was trying to decide whether they wanted to live, that prolonging their life was “pointless.” In fact, I would also never tell someone who clearly did not want their life prolonged, no matter the circumstances, that prolonging the life was “pointless,” even if I agreed that ethically people were bound by stated wishes of the person in question not to prolong it. Even if I did not believe life in and of itself to be sacred, I would have no right to judge another life pointless, under any circumstances. Because of my beliefs, I also don’t really feel I have a right to declare my own life “pointless,” but I can see more room for debate when someone is talking about their own life. Remember, too, that “pointless” and “not worthwhile” are not exactly the same thing, though I admit that I think I could pretty much substitute one for the other in what I said above and still feel it true. I would place more importance on that difference in matters of self-defense. It would not be “pointless” to incur further risk to my life to kill someone trying to hurt me, but I might legitimately deem it “not worthwhile.”
I hope I’m making sense. I need to go try to make some toast without burning it this time so I’ll have eaten something today
NestingHawk,
Eat something before trying to post more than one sentence at a time, please.
This sentence
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It would not be “pointless” to incur further risk to my life to kill someone trying to hurt me, but I might legitimately deem it “not worthwhile.”
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would probably make more sense as
It would not be “pointless” to incur further risk to my life to AVOID killING someone trying to hurt me, but I might legitimately deem it “not worthwhile.”
Sorry about that. And I hit the preview button on that one, too.
The WSJ-types are like that sometimes. The ones I see at UW-Seattle in the Economics dept. (of which I will be graduated from at the end of Fall Quarter 2009) were once very enthusiastic about Obama, but have since been talking about him with a look of chagrin-and even “WTF?!”.
I enjoy watching such comeuppances.
I’ve been in favor of an “advanced directive” or living will, for a long time. Being in the medical field, I’ve been with patients that are in their own “living hell”. Imagine being awake, but uncommunicative, or not able to move at all, except for eyelids; relying on help from a ventilator and feeding tube. When they pass, it a relief to us, the family, and I’m sure the patient also. Ethically, we have to do our outmost to keep them alive, though, privately, we would like them to go, especially, if they develop pressure ulcers. The government has no right to get involved with deciding who gets care and who is “pointless”. It opens a door to a very dangerous prescedent. The day I get an order to “pull the plug”, not from the patient/POA family, but from a government law/regulation, is the day I turn in my medical license, and go flip hamburgers. I’d be happier.
Here’s a taping of Andro Dunos.
End of life issues are for those who do not walk with the Lord Jesus Christ are just that, end of life. But to those of us who walk with the Lord know that even those who would shorten our life here on this earth will walk eternally with the Lord with out worry to sickness, wealth, or the other often mundane cares of this world. Those of us who call ourselves Christians know or should know that those who do not walk with the Lord and do not live the life style prescribe by Him and the scriptures will receive their just rewards. As I reach my end of sojourn on this earth I am thankful that I lived when the United States of America was at it zenith, when men knew freedom, when the world envied our system government, when we lead the world in technology, and when every day people prospered as no one has ever done in history. It makes me angry to see what is fast becoming of our once great country.
I have decided to wait to buy Michelle’s book until it drops to number two on the New York Times best seller list to see if I can jump start it back to number one. I hope I don’t have to by it until after the next election!
I don’t see Michelle mentioned to appear tomorrow with George S. at his site. What gives? Has she been dropped?
Oh, that was August 3.