Sunday morning on the Beltway roundtable circuit
The nutroots were quite upset with George Stephanopoulos for inviting me on his This Week roundtable. They piled on him on Twitter. And even Paul Krugman tried to stir up lefty ire.
God forbid a non-establishment, non-Beltway-certified “acceptable” conservative have a voice in a mainstream forum!
Unlike Matt Lauer, Stephanopoulos wasn’t compelled to play “beat the clock.” It was four on one, but the discussion was civil, if slightly strained. I appreciated the opportunity to give Culture of Corruption a wider forum.
Allah has vid links here.
On the topics: The panel was dismissive of standard economic arguments against extending unemployment benefits (which I’ve been blogging about since last January, when the Bush administration embraced expanding the entitlement). Cynthia Tucker made the common error of mistaking my simple argument about incentives for some sort of moral judgment.
Question: Where do we draw the line? Laid-off workers can collect up to 79 weeks of unemployment in half the states. Democrats want to extend the benefits another 13 weeks:
Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington and chairman of the House Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, said he would introduce a bill in September to provide yet another 13 weeks of coverage in states with unemployment rates of 9 percent or higher. “Legislators will line up quickly when they start getting calls from desperate constituents,” he said in a telephone interview.
The cost would be $40 billion to $70 billion, but the expense would be temporary, Mr. McDermott said.
Treasury Secretary Geithner told Stephanopoulos the administration is open to such proposals. Well, hell, why not extend the benefits indefinitely?
There is no such thing as a “temporary” entitlement in Washington.
Meanwhile, Geithner is entertaining new taxes on the middle-class. Way to restore confidence and keep Obama’s promises.
There was a brief discussion of Obamacare and I noted the Tea Party groundswell of grass-roots revolts at congressional town halls across the country. The panel balked at my reference to the 1994 Hillarycare debacle — and the turning point in Seattle when Hillary was loudly and openly booed by protesters. But mark my words: Just as the American public turned back the government health care takeover 15 years ago, it will be activist taxpayers uncowed by their ram-it-and-jam-it lawmakers who beat socialized medicine back again this summer.
My bottom line: Obama has vastly overreached on both the redistribution of wealth and the redistribution of health.
I also mentioned health care czar Nancy DeParle’s corporate conflicts of interests and the White House stonewalling on transparency of its meetings with health care executives.
The panel wrapped up with an obligatory discussion of the beer summit/Gates-gate, with the usual teeth-gnashing from Cynthia Tucker about racial profiling and tiptoeing about race from the white male panelists. I countered with a defense of Leon Lashley, the black police officer who was on the scene and defended Sgt. Crowley, and wondered when a healing summit with Sgt. Lashley and 911 caller Lucia Whalen would take place to make amends for the unfair racial smears against them.
As you might expect, there were no expressions of sympathy for them (Al Hunt just stared silently and ignored the point).
They don’t fit the Obama-as-racial healer-narrative.
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Update: Think Progress reacts - She said “counterinsurgency!”
Yes, I call Tea Party activists counterinsurgents.
Janeane Garafolo, meanwhile, is now calling you “racist backward motherf’ers.”
More reax: Huffpo is beside itself that I quoted a Clinton economist who looked at jobless benefits and the incentives they create.
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And more:
The NYTimes says the Clinton economist, Lawrence Katz, now says the “temporary” jobless benefits extension could provide a “quick fiscal stimulus.”
But at what cost?
Via Heritage:
The consequences of extended unemployment benefits are some of the most conclusively established results in labor economic research. Extending either the amount or the duration of UI benefits increases the length of time that workers remain unemployed.[1] o UI benefits subsidize unemployment. They reduce the incentive unemployed workers have to search for new work and to make difficult choices–such as moving or switching industries–to begin a new job.
Roughly one-third of workers receiving UI benefits find work immediately once their benefits expire. This happens both when unemployment is high and when unemployment is low.[2]Economic research shows that extending UI benefits from 26 weeks to 46 weeks increases the average duration of unemployment by approximately three weeks.[3]
Reduces Other Income
Families respond to unemployment benefits by reducing other income. Wives’ earnings fall by between 36 and 73 cents for each dollar of UI benefits married men receive.[4]
Economic Effects
Ineffective Stimulus.
Extended UI benefits are frequently claimed to provide significant economic stimulus.
The studies that come to this conclusion ignore the effect of UI benefits in raising unemployment and incorrectly assume that unemployed households spend every dollar of UI benefits they receive. Empirical studies contradict both of these assumptions.Heritage Foundation macroeconomic modeling accounting for both these factors show that for each dollar spent extending UI benefits to 46 weeks, GDP expands in the first year by just $0.17. Almost any other use of resources would provide a greater short term boost to the economy.[5]
Higher Unemployment
Heritage Foundation macroeconomic modeling shows that extending UI benefits to 46 weeks has increased the unemployment rate by 0.22 percentage points.[6]
Negligible Wage Effects
Some analysts suggest that extended UI benefits should enable workers to find better jobs and increase their wages when they return to work.
Other analysts suggest that workers skills deteriorate when they are unemployed and, by encouraging longer unemployment, extended benefits will reduce workers wages.
Economic research finds neither effect–extended benefits do not increase or decrease unemployed workers wages when they find new jobs.[7]
James Sherk is Bradley Fellow in Labor Policy in the Center for Data Analysis at The Heritage Foundation.
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Krugman wonders what percentage of the American public is to the right of Michelle. Krugman might be surprised to compare that percentage with the percentage who are to his left.
Michelle, you were great — especially your last point. I couldn’t believe there were still pundits trying to claim that it had anything to do with racial profiling.
As comedian Bobby Collins put it on his Out of Bounds album:
“You want to clean yourself with a chicken.”
He was talking about the women former President Clinton had been chasing.
Drudge has the HOT HOT HOT news from this mornings polichat. He should be using his blue siren.
Geitner Won’t Rule Out New Taxes for Middle Class…
The topic begins about half way through the 14-minute segment. Team Obama has one of its major spokesmen floating a reversal on Obama’s tax pledge. It may not be a surprise for people with a brain, but it is, nonetheless, a red-hot development.
Good show Michele. Everyone was polite and civil – tho I think Cynthia wanted to bitch-slap you a few times for insinuating The One was a part of the culture of corruption. Al Hunt is a hoot. “We don’t know if there was racial profiling.” Sheeesh.
I’m surprised your fellow panel members didn’t have their fingers in their ears chanting, “la-la-la-la…”
Michelle, you did a fantastic job.
I noticed the contrast between you and the DC gang immediately. You were the voice of the voiceless among the ethically challenged DC dead.
I also noticed Cynthia spent most of her time watching you and staring at you.
If looks could talk…” I hate her, she’s prettier than I am, I hate that. She’s smarter than I am, I hate that too. Another beautiful, smart conservative. I hate them all. I’ll get her…. and her little dog too…”
While the congress critters are home for the August recess, a major question for them should be:
How can the country possibly be considering a massive new government commitment in the healthcare area when the Obama economic team is already contemplating new middle-class taxes to recover from the out-of-control government spending that is already in place?
Of course, the Dems will say that healthcare “reform” is part of the solution instead of part of the problem. But the history of predictions versus reality in the costs of government programs should be devastating to their arguments.
Michelle did great on Stepuponaboxanapolos. The rebuttal to the teachable moment comment was right on. Al Hunt was actually polite. It was about as good and, as much as you could get, in the enemy camp.
Hola, fellow bloggers,
We are going for a record 5,000 comments on the “Don’t Taze Me Bro” thread, about two pages back.
Fine cyber wines and chihuahua sausage appetizers being served.
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LIBERALS are disgusting. And the diminutive Stephie-nopuloss is SUCH a water-bearer for liberal politicians. He couldn’t bring himself to acknowledge even a LITTLE truth in Michelle’s comments (despite the fact that they were FULL of truth).
The other three bozos have no idea what they’re talking about, and the public outcry on this socialist medicine is going to surprise them.
Oh, and Cynthia is an idiot. She blames the “attack on government over the past 12 years” as reason for people not trusting the government! HA HA! What a clueless idiot. There are MANY MANY MANY reasons people don’t trust government, but she wants to blame it on partisan politics.
What a myopic moron.
This is why no one watches ABC anymore.
Doesn’t do must for the tired old canard by liberals that only Whites can be racist and at the same time his treatment of Crowley doesn’t do much to separate himself from the hate perpetrated against Whites in the highest levels of academia and theology.
Gates’ superiority complex and many years of institutionalized racism boiled to the surface when a sensitivity trained un-profiling cop was respectfully doing his job and neither of the holier than thou elitists Gates nor Obama have had the audacity to apologize for what would have meant Crowley would still be serving jail time if the situation were reversed.
Its still an, arrogance and hypocrisy for me, and don’t even think it for thee scenario.
Smok’em if you got’em, everybody. We’ll be moving out soon.
You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. You will bring about the destruction of the Leftist machine, the elimination of socialist tyranny over the oppressed peoples of America and security for ourselves in a free world. Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle-hardened, and has the MSM on its side. He will fight savagely.
I’m sorry I missed it but hope it will be up on Hot Air soon. I thought you would handle yourself well considering the odds stacked against you, it is going to be interesting to see what is going to happen when you meet the whacked out and anything but tolerate womyn on the view. I suggest body armor, a helmet, and at the bare minimum a side arm starting with a caliber in .4 just in case the facts you provide threaten their world view. We all know how quickly rabid liberals resort to physical violence at that point.
As far as the weasel faced tax cheat now in charge of the IRS I guess he doesn’t understand the powers to tax are not his as detailed in the following quote from the US Constitution:
But who the hell in the beltway has to follow this old worn out document anymore!
I also heard Larry Summers was spouting the same crap about increasing taxes on the middle class. I guess we should head in to Boise today to visit the local Costco. It appears we are going to need an industrial size bucket of K/Y pretty soon. BOHICA!
The video is up on Hot Air.
Michelle while you were doing one show, Chris Mathews played clips from Glenn Beck and you from your Lauer interview and Beck’s on Fox. Mathews and his panel basically accused you and Beck of racist attacks on Obama and that’s just what Obama and the dems have come to accept with him being the first black president. Conservatives making racist attacks.
I wanted to puke.
If somebody is collecting unemployment for 79 weeks, he or she doesn’t want to work. Everybody I’ve ever known on unemployment says things like “I have 20 more weeks of unemployment, then I’ll look for a job”. Cynthia Tucker is living in a fantasy world.
BTW I have to say I love how the media is trying SO HARD to make Obama’s falling poll numbers all about this gates snafu.
Its the economy stupid.
And Michelle you have to watch the lefts “Oh you heartless big meanie conservatives” class warfare garbage. Should have told them “How about Obama creating jobs instead of forcing people to live off their unemployment benefits ?”
That would have been a better way to phrase that. The left has gotten good at any attempt to cut programs = hatrid of the poor.
Thank you Michelle for your ceaseless pursuit for rational wealth and health policy.
I am so fed up with Washington and their overbearing egos that feel compelled to tell us what a better life they have planned.
And I’m most concerned with compromise. The d-cats have put forth an impossible health plan, and it is my fear that the re-pubs will gain a handful of concessions and call the result “good”, a “landmark of social progress”, a “model for the world”…
I want none of that. I don’t want a gov’t health plan whose long reaching tentacles will paralyze private insurers, and leave them unable to innovate or succeed. Of course, Congress will deny all that. Congress will lie, deceive, exaggerate, and capitulate. After all, it’s about looking good, and justifying your actions, and blaming the re-actions to bad policy on others.
Keep striking Michelle… strike hard, strike fast. and strike tactically.
Cynthia Tucker is a good example of “there is none so blind as he who will not see.”
Not so far fetched
1 Million Britians havent had a job since 1997.
Michelle I don’t know how you do it. I watched you on “This Week With George” and re-affirmed why I quit watching those idiots years ago. Two minutes with those biased bigots and I would be knocking heads. All they needed was “I love Obama” buttons. Keep up the good work, you were the only one there that made sense.
I qualify for exactly 0 weeks of unemployment benefits should I be out of work. There’s millions of us who are self-employed or work on 1099. We don’t qualify for UC benefits, but we still pay into the system.
I think a year and a half of benefits for people with regular W-2 jobs is waaay more than enough.
I’ts getting kind of annoying how people discuss unemployment rates and unemployment benefits as if the 10 million 1099 workers don’t exist. It’s not 1955 anymore. Everyone doesn’t have one regular job with one company anymore.
Excellent! Well done!
As I tweeted earlier, Cynthia Tucker appeared to be angry. I wonder if she was trying to intimidate the panel with that “glare” of hers?
We’ll see you again tomorrow on “The
VentView”. Have fun!Most contemptible moment in ABC roundtable:
Al Hunt: Teachable moment…yada yada…professor learns about problems of cops…cops become more sensitive to racial profiling
MM: But there was no racial profiling…that’s the point.
Al Hunt: But we don’t know that.
In Al Hunt’s world, racial profiling is to be presumed even a situation where the evidence is clearly on the table and RP had nothing whatever to do with it. Hunt is repulsive scum with a pleasant, yuppie face.
don’t mean to hijack the thread but here’s something very interesting…
http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/for-your-viewing-pleasure
Michelle, I second Savage24′s comments.
If I were on that show I would wind up throttling Steffie or his guests the way Homer does to Bart.
“Why, you little…..!!!”
[ack uck ack sounds]
The only reason a twit like Cynthia Tucker got her job as editor of the Atlanta Journal in the first place is her race. It DEFINITELY isn’t her writing, which is a one-trick race pony revisited weekly for years. Thus, the Journal’s circulation has tanked and the paper isn’t even available in most of the state of Georgia because no one buys it.
When I was layed off, I didn’t collect 79 weeks of money. Does anyone know how I can get the rest of the money owed me?
Angry is the normal condition for liberals. It’s the fuel they run on.
Keep rattling their cages, MM!
More fuel for the racial grievance industry. Gates, Tucker, etc need to have racism alive and well or they will not be relevant. The only racial profiling which was done, Gates did. Gates figured that a white cop, who failed to recognize his Harvard Royal Highness, came to his door to harass him because cops have nothing better to do with their time. While we may have the right to mouth off to a cop, there might be a consequence to do so. I would have expected a Harvard professor to have chosen better words than “yo mama”.
Here is a great piece from the NY Daily News in which a former NYC cop admits to racial profiling. He says they went up to Harlem and looked for white guys, who were obviously there buying drugs! And, he says, cops use racial profiling on blacks because in certain widespread urban contexts, they are the ones doing the crime! Great read.
I Was a Racial Profiler
(H/T to Real Clear Politics)
Hitler and Stalin would definitely be proud of the Obama government. Thanks, Michelle, for your fight.
When the libs start squawking we know we’re on the right track!
be lucky you got that…the wife quit a job that was ending in a few weeks anyway to take another job which after 4 days they let her go. The OK employment folks said the 4 days on the new job wouldn’t count and because she voluntarily left the job that was ending she is denied unemployment. So the moral of the story here is wait till your fired even if you have another offer unless you’re 100% sure it’ll last….it’s been over a month and now offers as yet…
They just plain cannot stand having their own tactics turned against them. When they do it, it is “patriottic”, fair, protected, etc., however when a Conservative group or perso does it, the offender should be tossed in the deepest, darkest dungeon and shackled to the wall for crimes against the State.
As for the repeated claims that the TEA Parties not being a “grassroots” movement, citing all the people who support them, you just gotta love that they STILL refer to Moveon.org and other similar organizations as grassroots, completely ignoring who their main supporters and, most importantly, their main financier, George Soros. The Liberal Groups are anything BUT grassroots organizations…but that;s OK.
After all, Liberalism, thy name is hypocrisy.
You keep on `em Michelle. You know we are behind you all the way. It has been truly fun watching you make mush out of every one of these Obama-zombies on TV. Heck, the way you left Lauer near tears the other morning was nothing short of poetry.
Sheesh. That sounds like a result typical of a Government program. People who show initiative are the most likely to be denied benefits. Take a new job in an effort to better yourself – no benefits for you! Want to take a risk and work on your own or start a business – no benefits for you!
People who stay safely in the same job for long periods of time are the only ones who get anything out of programs like UC. And don’t even get me started on Workers Comp or I might have a mini-stroke.
What I liked was the much more grassroots points of view along with several points normally ignored by the beltway elites.
A different perspective is a much needed addition to Sunday political programs.
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
-John Adams
Check out this poster of our nations’ Dr. Kevorkian socialism poster that has been showing up all over L.A.
Great poster Rob!
ok…
so the Raw Story has you saying that
and this from the transcript of the show:
Michele, I rely on you for a straight approach to issues. Even though, in the past, there’s been one or two times that your perceptions on things are a bit out of alignment with my thinking, I have considered them with the latitude I believe you deserve.
…and I know for a fact that what Tucker said was true because I’ve been told exactly the same thing by several recruiters that used to call me for placing technical professionals in my company (that’s now DEAD, TYVM…)
This one, though…well… from my personal experience of being laid off twice in a year and a half, three months the first time and going on seven months this time, in a profession where architects like me are literally starving for work..
…and nothing… I mean NOTHING on the horizon… and now I’m competing with dishwashers and landscapers for crying out loud… and still can’t find decent work…
Your comment strikes me as elitist.
…maybe I should write a book.
So when do we start discussing state’s rights and even the possibility of secession from the *federal* government.
People are angry and it’s going to get
worse. This adminstration has opened up a pandora’s box and all kinds of crap
has escaped.
What I don’t understand with these leftist media types is the way they act like the entire country voted for Obama and agreed to turn out backs on conservative idealogy. They act like we voted on the Constitution and found it wanting and decided instead to embrace Obama and socialism.
Obama did not have that kind of victory. Based on recent polls Obama’s actions are driving people even further away from his idealogy.
The media types are reflecting Obama’s, “I won, get over it…” arrogance.
When conservatives regain power in the not so distant future gotta wonder how many of these media types will be fighting each other for those few jobs at CNN and MSNBC?
rk…
“our comment strikes me as elitist.”
She didn’t say everyone is lazy. I commend you on your effort. However it is the case that long term unemployment benefits do make people less likely to be assertive and aggressive in finding work. The reality of that has been on display in Europe and was part of what had to change when the Germany’s united.
I hope you find a job. Maybe you found an insult where none was intended?
“Angry is the normal condition for liberals. It’s the fuel they run on.”
I remember a caller to Rush Limbaugh’s show some months ago who had been a liberal’s liberal. Ivy league eduction, all the right stuff on her liberal resume. She talked about how the left uses anger as a tool, not an emotion. We on the right think of it as an emotion and wonder why and how the left can be and stay so angry. When I heard her explain how the left uses anger the light bulb came on.
So, anyone surprised? Like Animal Farm, everyone will be equal…except the “pigs”, of course, who will be more equal than others. Hey, ordinary liberals, you like less money for you and your family, in your paychecks, to pay for this vast socialist move?
“So, anyone surprised?”
No. And I won’t be surprised by the media coverage that basically will say he didn’t want to but he had to for our good.
I’m looking forward to catching your appearance, still 3 hours from now here in Hawaii. Stephanopoulos’ show is one of the few of its type I can watch; he’s surprisingly fair and objective, despite his roundtable’s inclusion of noted Nobel laureate nutcase Krugman and other lib-bots.
Obama has a new job for you (unless you’re a Jew or white, of course!)
I see a lot of that in the way Democrats demonize certain people or groups of people in order to get votes. And of course the Democrats are the knights in shining armor who will save the poor unfortunate voters from those who are supposedly out to do them harm.
We conservatives are used to calmly gathering information and thinking things through. The liberals know that people don’t usually think very well when they’re angry so they deliberately make them angry. That makes it easier to pull off their con jobs.
“We conservatives are used to calmly gathering information and thinking things through.”
One of our biggest mistakes on the right is our assumption that most folks brains work like our does, that they think in a similar process as we do. HUGE mistake and it leaves us on ther right looking like a deer in headlights all the time.
We’re the ones who look totally dumbfounded when people seem to accept, “I sat in his church for 20 years but I never heard such things…”
I sometimes try to turn the tables by pointing out how the Democrats have played them for fools. I don’t know that it’s been very successful yet, but with mounting evidence that the Democrats are delivering the exact opposite of what they promised, I think that tactic will become increasingly effective.
Obama and his bunch are using the same old tactic that has been used since there were power-hungry people. Create an enemy or crisis, and gear everyone’s focus on that. While pretending to “fix the problem”, and acknowledging their thanks, do nothing more than grab power and reduce the people to slavery. You can see that tactic even today, in people like Chavez (U.S. will invade us anytime now). The U.S., as we know it, will be changed, and the past “condemned”, as a flawed policy by “greedy” capitalists. People will exist for the state with no future.
ahh…
you’re probably right.
i’m pretty punchy because i’m losing my house at the end of the month,(i’m more angry than unhappy about it- if i was working i could keep it)
…and i read a lot of junk in weblog responses that are from folks who seem to be pretty callous with their opinions… makes me wonder what they’d say if the tables were turned.
i had hoped by now that at least one of those thousands of resumes would’ve produced something but no…
and nobody i used to work with has a job, in my profession, at least… and some of them have been laid off since February of last year… so at 79 weeks, they would be running out right about now (except my state only pays for 37 weeks, so they were screwed a long time ago).
alot of those folks i’ve lost touch with,…makes references a bit tough.
i DO agree that there’s been abuse of the system. i remember as a kid watching the people come to the park across the street for the welfare truck.
…some had new cars.
I lost a good, high-tech job several years ago when my employer relocated. I decided that I could probably retire. My position of record is that “I was looking for another job.” As it happened, that other “good job” did not appear so, in effect, the unemployment benefits helped me to bridge to retirement. This sort of attitude — I might retire or I will enjoy this as a subsidized timeout from the labor market — is massively widespread. Been there, done that, seen that. Well-paid people do it and low-wage people do it. Nobody really believes in the system and everybody takes what advantage he can (like Geitner with his taxes).
Most people in the job market need to stay in the job market and, I agree, are going to be seriously looking for that next job. Dumbo Al Hunt said something about his kids being very anxious to find a job coming out of college. Well, of course. They’d be stupid to start their careers living unnecessarily on unemployment.
But millions of workers would like to quit their jobs and can almost — but not quite — afford to do so. Anybody who does not think that extended, and re-extended benefits is a gravy train for the millions in this position and a disincentive to return to work is crazy.
Michelle, you said:
“My bottom line: Obama has vastly overreached on both the redistribution of wealth and the redistribution of health.”
I beg you not to use the term ‘redistribution of health’ (you also said it on This Week this am and it made me cringe). It (IMO) unfairly portrays those who want to keep the government out of our health care decisions as people opposed to the health of others, presumedly the poor.
What Obama is doing is attempting to hand over a huge portion of the US economy over to government controllers so they can buy votes and distribute political power, all the while protecting the trial lawyers who have fed on the malpractice industry that helps drive insurance costs ever skyward. This has nothing to do with redistributing ‘health’.
Thanks for listening.
When I was a 20-something, I collected unemployment. I spent more time looking at ways to make it appear I was seeking work than actually seeking work. Part of the reason I am so conservative now is because I know how easy it actually is to not work.
I haven’t watch the vid yet,but from what I read it’s not surprising our lady of intellect out maneuvered and out talked the idiot, close minded, dolts.
I actually have a hard time watching this type of interview or so-called debate, mainly because they are so one-sided, my blood pressure gets too high.
I watch about 3 programs on the soup channels anymore…golf, and golf and nascar, I’m usually cleaning my 357 mag., 30-30 and 12 gauge short barrel shotgun while watching those. If I watched those channels for news or Sunday morning coffee clutches I’d more than likely empty one or more of the above mentioned into the t.v.
Michelle, did you feel like a voice crying in the wilderness? Four liberals, one conservative; how quaint. Cynthia Tucker and Al Hunt talking about they weren’t sure there wasn’t some racial profiling going on with Professor Gates…Still? This is why the Mainstream Media has such a bad rep, obviously, because they just. don’t. get. it.
Michelle,
After your stint on the Stayontopofthis program, did Cynthia Tucker put down the pails of water she was carrying for Obama and show you the tatoos of Barry and Michelle Obama on the cheeks of her *ss?
Just sayin’…
MM, I would really like one distortion free post. This line:
is the opposite of what Krugman wrote.
To: Ignatius Reilly # 55
Al Hunt proves Michelle’s point! His kids are most likely looking hard for jobs because as former students rather than former employees, they don’t qualify for unemployment benefits!
Distortion free? With all that static you bring to this post? Listen, lgm…I will type this slowly so you can follow. The posters here are expressing opinion…many cite it as fact (as you often do). You come in with preconceived notions and often block out other attempts to reason with you. If you are here (as a minority viewpoint) wishing to change other peoples’ opinions, then do so respecting that their opinion may be just as valid as you seem to think yours is. The fun is in the nuance and argument over the fine points.
If you approach this website with the attitude (as it appears) to be a fly in the ointment without the ability to reason or argue cohesively, then you do not make a good showing for yourself. There are liberals who come on, chat, make witty remarks, and enjoy what this site has to offer. I enjoy reading these posters because their tone is to offer other viewpoints, not to bash those participating.
Since your image of yourself apparently will not let you comprehend, the source of distortion is coming from your end. Whatever perverse pleasure you derive by posting here probably is an immature extension of your childhood in which you pulled wings off of flies.
Now please try to join the discussion at the adult table.
You failed to mention that before this supposed confusion, she pointed out an obvious flaw in your reasoning. Why does it matter that there is less incentive to get a job when there are no jobs to get?
Saturday I attended a get together with 32 other former colleagues – each of us let go at different intervals starting Sept/08, all of us are still unemployed. Each person, and in some cases there were duplicates, was representative of every department of our past employer.
Out of the 33 people attending, representing professionals from CFO to sales to Account management to creative production, we counted:
– over 7500 resumes submitted (rough estimate)
– 26 interviews
– one job offer (he starts in two weeks)
The hardest job of all is finding another job – goes without saying. In this economy, I think companies are waiting to see how the current administration’s programs are going to shake out…e.i: stimulate, and I can’t blame them for thinking that way – I would absolutely do the same. I was let go in March, and I saw the job market for my skill-set dry up around mid May. I know hiring slows during the summer months so I’m hopeful that as summer winds down, companies will get back to focusing on their near-term strategies and long-term goals, and begin to hire those needed to reach those goals.
I will always remain hopeful that the marketplace will become vibrant once again in spite of the current policies and programs that effectively run contrary to work hard, sacrifice, and self-reliance…this is still my USA after all…and I refuse to give up on her.
I love how Stephie says, “There’s some truth to what Michelle says”
Some truth? Did he mean that most of what MM says is not truth?
That Cynthia is just not going to let reality get in the way of her worship of The One.
The guys just seem to be saying what they need to to stay on George’s show.
15 min. of fame indeed.
What a maroon.
On August 2nd, 2009 at 4:44 pm, rktkr said:
ok…
in a profession where architects like me are literally starving for work..
and now I’m competing with dishwashers and landscapers for crying out loud…
Your comment strikes me as elitist.
…maybe
Iyou should open the want adswrite a book.Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t remember an honest to goodness conservative on a Sunday morning talk show. Wish I could have watched but I upchuck at the sight of Al Hunt. But all the reviews by those that matter give accolades to Michelle. Thank you Sweetie for doing a great job & service for our country…. P.S. I’m 76 and Sweetie is my pet name for my 4 daughters and I don’t bestow that term off-handedly.
You have to understand that ad hominem attacks are all they have when the facts overwhelm them.
I think the fact that they were (willingly) suckered by a community activist supercedes their buyers remorse. They are acting like cornered animals, striking out as a last resort.
I think that perfectly describes what Obama supporters/dupes are doing right now as they wallow in disbelief.
That is why they have such a far reaching and damaging bill: bid high and settle for what you really wanted in the beginning. The Republicans have the opportunity to tank this stinker with the help of the bluedogs, but if they try to compromise, we will be screwed by liberal incrementalism once again.