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1. #1
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm, zorro said:

   Yes, of course, it’s a Trojan Horse for government-run health care…

   Well, the cat is out of the bag now. Let’s melt the telephone lines again.

2. #2
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm, d1carter said:

   “Let me be clear”….look out here it comes.

3. #3
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm, d1carter said:

   They are telling us what they are going to do…it is up to us to stop them.

4. #4
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 pm, zorro said:

   …it is up to us to stop them.

   Yes, and we will not fail.

5. #5
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:06 pm, Doug Powers said:

   Not long after Michelle was on George Stephonopu… er, … Stephanopul… uh… “This Week” this morning, they closed the show with clips from the TV “comedians” last week. Jon Stewart showed a clip of Obama saying to people concerned with the government takeover of health care, “Look, tell your mom she’ll be fine…”

   Even Jon Stewart said “You know your plan is in trouble with your sales pitch is ‘Look, trust me, I’m not gonna kill your parents.’”

6. #6
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 pm, Flyoverman said:

   What Obama is attempting is the equivalent of a coup de tat. Yes he is in office via an election and yes, he controls both houses of Congress. However, his socialst objectives are so anti-American that not even main stream Democrats would support his true plans, if they understood them.

   Thus, deception, speed, and thuggery when needed are critical. Once his plans are revealed he has to confuse and move quickly, becasue what he is proposing is so radical he really only has one shot at this.

   d1carter is correct. He has to be stopped now.

7. #7
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 pm, BurnedOutHippie said:

   I don’t want Barney Frank’s finger anywhere near my prostate, thank you very much.

8. #8
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 pm, teachem2 said:

   I was feeling very defeated about this issue, but as I see more and more people come out against it, I feel like we really have a chance to beat it. I can’t really afford to go to DC to protest, but I’m scraping every penny I can so I can get there and make my voice heard. I think it’s entirely too important and I’ll do whatever I can to preserve the intent of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. I want my kids to know that I’ve done my part and that they have to do their part as they get older. With rights comes responsibilities and with freedom comes the struggle to keep it.

9. #9
   On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 pm, dtb said:

   Oh my! The President is LYING to us? Say it isn’t so!

   btw Barry, my mortgage payment is due and I haven’t received your check yet…

10. #10
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    If this is news to anyone, they haven’t been paying attention.

    The parts of these videos that kill me are when all the brain-dead sheeple sitting in the audience start cheering wildly for the reduction of their very own liberty.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid people. Just f’n stupid.

11. #11
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm, prendad said:

    You cannot trust Obama or anyone else in this administration. They will say anything to get their way, truthful or not, and then if confronted, they deny. It’s the old political two-step. Lie, get confronted, deny, if proof is submitted against you, change your story, say you were misquoted and go back to step one.
    Public service? What a joke.

12. #12
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:56 pm, BrianNY said:

    Obama’s falling numbers reminds me of President GW’s 2004 victory by 52? percent over Kerry.

    He proudly announced that he “had political capital” and that he was going to use it.

    President Bush then went out on the road and tried to sell Social Security reform, but was rejected, even with a Republican majority Congress in session.

    The difference here is that Obama has the MSM at his disposal, but the growing anger over this health care proposal gives me comfort that all is not well in Liberal Land.

13. #13
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:58 pm, malkin_fan said:

    On August 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 pm, BurnedOutHippie said:
    I don’t want Barney Frank’s finger anywhere near my prostate, thank you very much.

    Ummmmm……..

    ……..It wont be his finger.

14. #14
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 11:04 pm, jsr said:

    Well you could knock me out with a feather. And here all along I thought Obama and Co. were a post-partisan moderates. Say it ain’t so. Well, at least they haven’t broken their promise and started planning for a middle class tax increase and are only going to tax the evil rich. Oh wait…

15. #15
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 pm, Hangfire said:

    there won’t be a middle class.

    Anyone making over $45,000 a year is now part of the evil rich.

16. #16
    On August 2nd, 2009 at 11:45 pm, Rob Roy said:

    The new face of socialism is inspiring these posters in L.A.

    They will admit to the small lies and call them teachable moments. Like a con artist and his Spanish prisoner they will drag all of us deeper into the game. Making us feel like we are already in so deep that a little more couldn’t hurt now. That’s why we are in the rush. The rush to commit, to be committed.

17. #17
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 am, Mommaofmany said:

    Chances are they will try to eliminate this video….copywrite issues, you know.

18. #18
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 12:39 am, rightisright said:

    President Bush then went out on the road and tried to sell Social Security reform, but was rejected, even with a Republican majority Congress in session.

    That’s true, but Bush didn’t have a filibuster proof senate or over 50% republicans in the house.

    As I’ve said on here before, if and when the conservatives take control of congress back they have to be on their toes every minute of everyday and fight these liberals at every turn, just as the libs have been fighting them for 70 plus years.

    Never letting this happen again…run true conservatives in races no more rino’s. We need to reshape America, that is go back to where this country is suppose to be, governed by the constitution, the law, not of feelings, and of deceptive socialists BS.

19. #19
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 12:41 am, cabrerski said:

    To the single-payer wanters,

    How many more people will be out of work when you kill the insurance industries, as well? I do not think I have ever seen a group that was so anti-job as the current leadership of the Democratic Party.

    I imagine that there will eventually be 1 worker for every government handout recipient. Might as well open up the spare bedroom and take my supportee in as my dependent. I would take the tax break except there will be none unless I get elected or join a union.

20. #20
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 12:48 am, lgm said:

    The real story:

    Most health care experts here and abroad think single payer is better than other ideas. American health care reformers figured out that that will not fly politically at this time, so when Obama says recently: “Nobody is talking about single payer”, (meaning it’s not in any of the proposals on the table) he’s being truthful. In 2003, he said he thought single payer is good, because it was then and would be now, but it isn’t among the present proposals.

    In the 2008 campaign, the Republican position was to eliminate employer provided health insurance — or, what is the same thing — to tax it as ordinary income.

    Medicare is a single payer system. A higher precentage of medicare people like their health care than privately insured people — medicare seems to most people on it to be better than private insurance.

21. #21
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 am, garydt said:

    LGm, I thought Medicare was in the red so how in the world would your socialist healthcare work if Medicare runs in the red? Remember you will have to give health care to probably most Mexicans and their relatives who illegally come here and that will add to the deficit. What happens to innovation on health issues if there is no incentive and also who would want to be a doctor in these situations.

22. #22
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 am, Papa Louie said:

    Mommaofmany said:

    Chances are they will try to eliminate this video….copywrite issues, you know.

    Just in case that happens, here are some key quotes that everyone should remember:

    “I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal healthcare plan…That’s what I’d like to see.”
    – Barack Obama; 2003; AFL-CIO Conference

    “My commitment is to make sure that we have universal healthcare for all Americans by the end of my first term as President… But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process… And I think we’ve got to facilitate that and let individuals make that choice to transition out of employer coverage.”
    – Senator Obama; Mar 24, 2007; SEIU’s New Leadership Health Care Forum

    “The public option is not your enemy, it is your friend. … Let me also say that—let me also address a illegitimate concern that’s being put forward by those who are claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system. I’ll be honest, there are countries where a single-payer system works pretty well. But I believe—and I’ve taken some flak from members of my own party for this belief—that it’s important for our efforts to build on our traditions here in the United States. So when you hear the naysayers claim that I’m trying to bring about government-run health care, know this: They’re not telling the truth.”
    – President Obama; Jun 15, 2009; Speech to the AMA

    And here’s Barney Frank agreeing with Obama’s comment in 2007 that the public option is the first step in transitioning to a single payer system:

    “I’ve been a co-sponsor of single payer for a very long time. … We don’t have the votes for it. I wish we did. I think if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer… The best way to get single payer — the only way — is to have a public option and demonstrate the strength of its power.”
    – Barney Frank (D-Mass.); Jul 30, 2009

    If anyone wasn’t sure whether to believe Obama of the past or Obama of today, Barney Frank let the cat out of the bag. He clearly believes that Obama is saying whatever he needs to say to get a public option passed. Then, once they get their foot in the door, private insurance will be phased out by slowly strangling it to death through government regulation. We will end up with single payer by default. They will then make the false claim that it’s not their fault that private insurance couldn’t compete with the public option in the open market. They’ll never admit that they were playing with loaded dice.

23. #23
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 am, Micheleeroo said:

    Obama is a wicked leader. This is the perfect illustration of it.

24. #24
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 2:35 am, Micheleeroo said:

    ….and of course it’s a trojan horse for single-payer. The current house bill outlaws any new private policies from being written! Over time, that would obviously destroy private insurance, if new people can’t be added to private insurance pools. Do they think we’re stupid???

25. #25
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 am, fuseman said:

    socialism will exist as long as those with a below average iq are allowed to vote.

26. #26
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 3:58 am, xblade said:

    The real story:

    Most health care experts here and abroad think single payer is better than other ideas.

    These same people also believe socialism is better than capitalism. Go figure. Unfortunately, reality tells a different story.

    American health care reformers figured out that that will not fly politically at this time, so when Obama says recently: “Nobody is talking about single payer”, (meaning it’s not in any of the proposals on the table) he’s being truthful. In 2003, he said he thought single payer is good, because it was then and would be now, but it isn’t among the present proposals.

    Naive much? Or maybe just a little intellectually dishonest?

    In the 2008 campaign, the Republican position was to eliminate employer provided health insurance — or, what is the same thing — to tax it as ordinary income.

    Eliminating employer provided health care benefits is not the same as creating a public plan. It is possible to buy health insurance without your employer or government holding your hand. God, you’re dumb.

    By the way, I believe the McCain plan was to give folks a tax break/rebate for buying their own health insurance instead of giving that break to their employer.

    Another by the way…wasn’t Obama against taxing these benefits before he was for it?

    Medicare is a single payer system. A higher precentage of medicare people like their health care than privately insured people — medicare seems to most people on it to be better than private insurance.

    I wonder if maybe they like medicare because of the supplemental private plan they have to buy to make it worth a crap?

    Hmmm, almost forgot….isn’t Medicare on the verge of collapse? Yeahhhh, let’s expand that model to the entire population.

27. #27
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 am, cabrerski said:

    Socialism also works for those who are too lazy or unwilling to put forth any effort to succeed.

28. #28
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 am, xblade said:

    These same people also believe socialism is better than capitalism. Go figure. Unfortunately, reality tells a different story.

    Should have been fortunately.

29. #29
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 4:21 am, ProudGulfWarVet65 said:

    Micheleeroo #24: Yup, and too many of us are, unfortunately.

    Been offline for quite a while…glad to be back.

30. #30
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 am, ProudGulfWarVet65 said:

    Medicare is a single payer system. A higher precentage of medicare people like their health care than privately insured people — medicare seems to most people on it to be better than private insurance.

    I wonder if maybe they like medicare because of the supplemental private plan they have to buy to make it worth a crap?

    Well…that’s difficult to determine, I think. Enrollment in Medicare is automatic at 65, and I seem to recall reading somewhere that a doctor at a clinic/hospital that doesn’t accept MC patients can go to PRISON for accepting and treating a Medicare enrollee on a private-pay basis. A really rich retired Hellywood actor or whatever could afford a ‘personal’ physician, of course.

    Medicare leaves a lot of people of means out of the mainstream system, it seems to me.

31. #31
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 am, fuseman said:

    On August 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 am, cabrerski said:
    Socialism also works for those who are too lazy or unwilling to put forth any effort to succeed.

    that defines democrats – within capitalism

32. #32
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 5:46 am, Eclectic said:

    Come out and protest in Washington DC this Friday! We’ll be there at noon with posters in front of the senate, letting them know what we think about a government take over!

33. #33
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 am, rlongenbach said:

    lgm: Medicare is a single payer system. A higher precentage of medicare people like their health care than privately insured people — medicare seems to most people on it to be better than private insurance.

    That’s because under Medicare they can’t be billed for unpaid charges. And Medicare won’t pay for what deem as unnecessary charges, and neither will the new public option (read the bill, if they think you get something related to a hospital stay, they won’t pay it…fall from your hospital bed, break your hip – you won’t have coverage, you gotta sue the hospital. So next time the hospital will have to put a cage around you to protect yourself.)

    Medicare refuses to pay for ambulance services if a taxi can take you.

    Imagine calling 911 (remember most places now charge for ambulance service), and being told “Sorry, we can’t come because you can call a taxi to take you the hospital. Call us back when you’re in cardiac arrest”

    It’s more likely than you think, since if they (any medical provider) accepts Medicare they can’t accept other payments for those services.

34. #34
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 9:11 am, Cosmo said:

    To paraphrase Michelle Obama, “for the first time in my life, I’m proud of my PC speakers for not functioning properly this morning. They have spared me having to listen to this lying “Big Boss” politician explain how he’s a Socialist-turning-Marxist.”

    If I see another Subaru here in town with a “Hope/Change/Yes we can/Obama” sticker on it I’m going to scream.

35. #35
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 am, BurnedOutHippie said:

    lgm said, “Medicare is a single payer system. A higher precentage of medicare people like their health care than privately insured people — medicare seems to most people on it to be better than private insurance.’

    Of course, people who receive largess are going to like their largess. Poll the people that are paying for that largess. If the gov had a program to give Burned Out Hippies new Ferraris I would be very happy with that plan. That shouldn’t be the criteria.

36. #36
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm, cheapseat said:

    LGM of course people love medicare, that is why it is going bankrupt. an example; my 79 year old father had quad bypass surgery last year, my 78 year old mother has had a liver transplant at 66, and a pacemaker at 77, and been in and out of hospitals for 10 years. explain to your children and grandchildren why they are paying taxes to pay for this gubmint program when my parents have 2 homes and millions in gubmint bonds. i can’t justify it, but i’m sure a good intentioned and kind liberal such as yourself can. my analysis says you earn in your productive, healthy years, and you save for the rainy days when you are sick. but when the gubmint relieves you of that burden, then only the best will do for my treatment, so forget about the stents, let’s get that quad bypass.

37. #37
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On August 3rd, 2009 at 12:48 am, lgm said:

    Most health care experts here…

    Unattributed sources, eh? …thou vile shameless hypocrite!

38. #38
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    lgm, here’s your post over on another thread, you idiot:

    On August 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am, lgm said:

    Some television executives say . . .

    Unattributed — a sure sign that it’s spin.

    Just like your fetid masters, you reek, you filth.

39. #39
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 pm, Major O said:

    On August 3rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm, Jet Jaguar said:
    lgm, here’s your post over on another thread, you idiot:

    On August 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am, lgm said:

    Some television executives say . . .
    Unattributed — a sure sign that it’s spin.

    Just like your fetid masters, you reek, you filth.

    I’m telling you, lgm is a bot. That or he is a “real” person who has absolutely no interest in the actual arguments here; he just wants attention and he knows the surest way to get it is to disagree with everything posted regardless of the inconsistency of the logic behind his opposition.

40. #40
    On August 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On August 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 pm, Major O said:
    ………..
    I’m telling you, lgm is a bot. That or he is a “real” person who has absolutely no interest in the actual arguments here; he just wants attention and he knows the surest way to get it is to disagree with everything posted regardless of the inconsistency of the logic behind his opposition.

    Major O, I’ve come to the conclusion that lgm isn’t a bot, but you are right that he wants attention. He suffers from Asperger’s syndrome, I strongly suspect, so he probably doesn’t have many friends. He craves acceptance but his approach to friendship drives people off – a typical problem for Asperger’s people. He is a pitiable, troubled, and lonely soul that feels isolated despite being surrounded by faculty, staff, and students (who probably laugh at him openly or behind his back).

41. #41
    On August 4th, 2009 at 1:41 am, lgm said:

    Major O said:

    Just like your fetid masters, you reek, you filth.

    I’m telling you, lgm is a bot. That or he is a “real” person who has absolutely no interest in the actual arguments

    Yeah, right.

42. #42
    On August 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am, TinkerBrendie said:

    LGM said… Medicare is a single payer system. A higher precentage of medicare people like their FREE health care than privately insured people WHO ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR ANY HEALTH CARE THEY GET — medicare seems to most people on it to be better FREE.

    Fixed it for ya… you betcha!