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SEIU and the “persuasion of power;” Update: St. Louis thuggery on tape

By Michelle Malkin • August 6, 2009 11:44 PM

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In May, I told you how the Service Employees International Union’s $61 million investment in Barack Obama paid off with cabinet appointments, executive orders, key personnel slots, and legislative goodies.

Now, the SEIU thugs are looking out for The Boss. In Tampa, Florida and St. Louis today, the Purple People turned out to give cover to members of Congress targeted by Tea Party activists and town hall protesters. For the first time, the town hall protests were marked by physical aggression. More on the St. Louis arrests of confrontational Obamacare activists here. (Just like Obama wanted: “In your face.”) This is no coincidence.

I’m excerpting a portion of my Culture of Corruption chapter on the SEIU. This is what you are up against.

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EXCERPTED FROM Chapter 7, “SEIU: Look for the union label,” Culture of Corruption

“The persuasion of power”

Asked about his organizing philosophy, Andy Stern summed it up this way: “[W]e prefer to use the power of persuasion, but if that doesn’t work we use the persuasion of power.”

Stern and his shock troops have bullied companies from private equity firms to Burger King to food management company Aramark, who have resisted SEIU’s attempts to organizer their workers. The Purple People have organized aggressive protests and a “War on Greed” campaign to pound the employers into submission. One of the besieged targets, security provider Wackenhut Services, battled SEIU’s attempts to gain exclusive representation for its employees. The company already ten other unions representing its workers. Initially unbowed by a massive, malicious negative publicity campaign against them, Wackenhut blew the whistle:

The SEIU seeks membership growth through aggressive “corporate campaigns” that have a blunt message to employers, “Let us unionize your workforce or we will destroy your reputation.” This tactic has been used against a number of organizations to include Wal-Mart, Kaiser Permanente, Advocate Health Care, Catholic Healthcare West, and Sutter Health.

SEIU is attempting to coerce The Wackenhut Corporation and WSI to recognize it as the “exclusive” collective bargaining representative throughout Wackenhut. Wackenhut declined to enter into such an agreement. The SEIU responded with a corporate campaign that is intended to damage WSI’s reputation and relationships with our clients. Their campaign tactics include distributing misinformation, distortion and omission of fact through the media, conducting demonstrations in proximity of work sites in an effort to disrupt normal client operations, and aggressively attempting to intimidate or influence clients.

But after filing a racketeering lawsuit against the SEIU, a weary and drained Wackenhut entered into an agreement allowing its employees in nine cities to choose SEIU as its bargaining representative. Behold the “persuasion of power.”

Showing an appalling lack of concern for the well-being of its members, the SEIU upped the ante in a representation battle with the University of Miami in 2006. The union fought tooth and nail against a true, democratic unionizing election for campus janitors using a secure, federally monitored secret ballot. Stern personally escalated the dispute, joined the fasters, and demonized then-university president Donna Shalala (yes, that Donna Shalala of Clinton yore). She lashed back:

We are devastated that the union is risking the health and well-being of our students and the Unicco employees by sanctioning an activity as drastic as a hunger strike. Hunger strikes have never been used in this country to oppose an election. We have urged both parties to continue daily discussions until this issue is resolved. A free election for or against unionization is a federal statutory right.

In the end, the SEIU relented to a federally monitored election. But at what price? Five SEIU members were hospitalized, one with a minor stroke. Wackenhut Corporation chief operating officer Paul Donahue, expressing sympathy for the University of Miami’s plight, saw the big picture:

The bullying, protesting, harassment, contrived events and demands will continue indefinitely because the union has millions of dollars in dues money from hard working janitors and other service workers which can be spent on ruining the reputation of businesses instead of bettering the lives of those workers that contributed.

Indeed, no one has felt the blunt force – and physical danger — of Stern’s “persuasion of power” more than workers themselves.

In Oakland, Stern and his Washington crew imposed a trusteeship on a 150,000-member local that had publicly opposed SEIU strong-arm tactics. The D.C.headquarters (knee deep in ethical mud) accused the local – known as SEIU United Healthcare Workers West (UHW West) – of financial malpractice and misconduct. The local fought back, charging the Beltway union leaders with manufacturing the allegations to retaliate and to distract from Washington mismanagement. The UHW West president, Sal Rosselli, quit the SEIU Executive Board, and formed a new union in February 2009, which declared: “We’re tired of SEIU’s hostile tactics, threatening phone calls, their collusion with employers and governors like Blagojovich, and the corruption of Stern’s appointees like Local 6434 head Tyrone Freeman in Los Angeles, disgraced SEIU Executive Vice President Annelle Grajada, and the appointees who have just taken over what had been our local. We don’t trust them with our contracts, we don’t trust them with our dues—we just don’t trust them.”

In Philadelphia, Stern engineered the hostile takeover of a 150,000-member union representing garment and hospitality workers. Workers United had broken off from the national UNITE HERE union of 450,000 workers. Progressive New York Daily News columnist Juan Gonzalez, citing SEIU’s agreement with Workers United, called Stern “hellbent on using classic corporate raider tactics to bring a huge portion of the U.S. labor movement under his absolute control.” The pact included discounted member dues and legal and financial assistance to aid the breakaway group’s efforts to take control of the Amalgamated Bank, the nation’s only union-owned bank. One union official called the power grab “a breathtaking form of imperialism…”

Know your enemy.

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Gateway Pundit has SEIU thuggery at a town hall meeting on tape. One SEIU member arrested in attack on Tea Party activist.

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#201

On August 7th, 2009 at 7:35 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

On August 7th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
a new nickname for dear leader…

Obamadinejad!
Obamarx is out now?

And Obamageddon?
#202

On August 7th, 2009 at 7:47 pm, Rob Roy said:

Obamadinejad knows how to rough up a protest crowd.

He and Ahmadinejad are calling plays from the same playbook.
#204

On August 7th, 2009 at 7:56 pm, simcoe said:

So you’re a union member. Is your brother, sister, your parents, your in-laws, your wife or husband? Are your cousin’s, nieces, your nephews, their parents or families? ‘bama may promise you an exemption from government health care, but I’ll bet he won’t promise any of them an exemption.

OK, they have good insurance now, but if any of them for any reason leave their current place of employment with their great insurance, they will have no other option than the government one.

What about after you’re dead, does ‘bama promise your benefits to transfer to your wife and kids, then to your grandkids? Ask him, If you dare, and he’ll sick your union brothers and sisters on you. Don’t think so?

What are you thinking???

Do you really believe you’re on the best side for your family and the future?

But don’t take my word for it, read the bill for yourself.

C’mon, try it. All ya got to do is read.
#205

On August 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm, purealchemy said:

This is a public service announcement.

It sounds like Chaps is going to lose his cat.
#206

On August 7th, 2009 at 8:09 pm, purealchemy said:

If this occurs, please meet at the “Don’t Taze Me Bro’” thread, about four pages back.
#207

On August 7th, 2009 at 8:34 pm, Tennyson said:

All the more reason that Culture of Corruption is a must-read.
#208

On August 7th, 2009 at 8:49 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

can anyone answer this question?

I have not had time to read much today. This was the meeting where Mr Gladney was assaulted right?

Does anyone know him, or know if his medical bills are serious?

The reason I ask is if he needs help is there anything being done to help him cover these costs. In todays economy, it is not unreasonable to assume he might need some help.

I would send a few bucks if there was a need? If this has been discussed somewhere please point me in the right direction.
#209

On August 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, NestingHawk said:

There are ads running on fanfiction.net saying Obama supports the Free Choice Act and we should, too. I’m practicing my snitching by mentioning in a conservative forum where the liberals are advertising.
I do think most of the people who hang out on fanfiction.net now will be eligible to vote in 2012, and it’s a pretty high-traffic site. I wonder if conservatives have ever tried to advertise with them?
#210

On August 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pm, travlinman said:

I hope some thugs (of any color) approach ol’ Trav at a rally with the idea of getting froggy. I got 6′-3″ and 280 lbs of somthin’ for them. I would never start anything over verbal taunts to myself, but will not be physically intimidated or rough-handled by anyone. Protecting myself or my family is one of my unalienable rights and by ‘God’ (all pun intended) I intend to enforce it.
#211

On August 7th, 2009 at 10:09 pm, Flyoverman said:

“First they ignore us, then they laugh us, then they fight us, then we win” — Mahatma Gandhi.

They are losing.
#212

On August 7th, 2009 at 10:13 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

Everywhere from the Left and in the MSM I am hearing this cry that conservatives are destroying any chance for a constructive debate on the issues.

That is such a freaking joke. These people want no debate. They wanted to cram it down, didn’t even want anyone to read it. It would already be law if the pushback hadn’t started just in the nick of time.

They don’t want civil debate. They have a big majority in congress and they can pass whatever they want if they can just keep a lid on it through September. The only thing that threatens them is a massive show of anger from the public which will give all congress critters second thoughts.

We don’t need to get down as low and dirty as the Left. But we do need to fill the streets and show our anger. Damn right we do. This issue is not going to be decided on the fine points of policy. It is a war.
#214

On August 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm, Lowly Knave said:

Let’s see now, the anti-marxists were bused in, kinda like an offshoot of SEIU had the AIG, guys that were getting bonuses, were bused in, only different.

Yep. it’s OK for them to bus in their peeps. And admit they are funded by ACORN.

Would that be the same SEIU named in the Blagojevich criminal complaint?

No wonder Blago wanted a piece of that action.
#218

On August 8th, 2009 at 7:31 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

BHO gave his radio address saying something like ‘we have to rebuild our healthcare system’. Reading the entire hr3200, it is plain to see that that IS what they intend to do as though the current healthcare system does not even exist and needed to be designed from the ground up. It’s like burning down your whole house and starting over from scratch just because you need more energy efficient windows.

Why scrap virtually everything that is good about the quasi capitalist healthcare system we already have? It provides options so good that people come here from all over the world to BUY when they cannot get treatment from their own country’s socialized system.

I think it all comes down to the fact that this farce in the WH is FAR more radical than anyone has described or iswilling to admit. He really IS a COMMIE! All commies are LIARS and we’ve been catching him lying on all kinds of things especially on this issue.

Yes it IS going provide abortions(Sec. 1714, Pg. 769).

Yes it WILL require you to allow government electronic access to your bank account(Sec. 163, Pg. 59).

Yes they WILL put private and self insurers out of business, they WILL just impose a FEE on them! (Sec. 4375, Pg. 828-832)

Yes YOUR medical data will be put on a FEDERAL DATABASE accessible by ANY federal agency they choose! (Sec. 1401, Pg. 503) Ask Joe the Plumber what he thinks of that.

Yes it IS rationing pure and simple. If you are old and near dead your doctor has to provide a REASON to keep you alive! (Sec. 1233, Pg. 425)

Plenty more bullets found at LC.ORG

If EVER there was a time for doctors and other health care professionals to rise up and speak out with a common voice – HELLO? NOW IS THAT TIME!!!
#219

On August 8th, 2009 at 7:39 am, Lockstein13 said:

Not only does this deal with the government’s “manufacturing (faux) ‘dissent’ ” and its repressing of free speech:

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/08/pelosi-astroturf-healthcare/

But also of its “unintended consequences”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE&feature=player_embedded
#221

On August 8th, 2009 at 9:34 am, graysonret said:

What really gets me in all this, is the liberal insistance that people have a “right” to health care. I can’t find anything anywhere that states that. People have a “right” for food too. Where’s the 1500 page bill giving all the people food everyday? At least that makes a little more sense than health care. Maybe that’s next. Being in the medical field (peds), I am concerned over the care of my patients, especially those with Duchenne’s MD, severe CP and those with Mito disease. Will they be considered not worthy of medical interventions, simply because they are progressive with a poor prognosis? Will a congressman come and speak to these kids and their parents on how government will “counsel” them on how to die? Perhaps they will remove them from their homes/families and cart them off to a “nursing home” to await the inevitable. Mr. Congressman, will you answer this this question? I doubt it. The thugs will probably yell at me to “shut up”, and push me around.
#222

On August 8th, 2009 at 9:41 am, Ragspierre said:

“The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

Sarah Palin

Maybe that is hyperbolic. Maybe.

But we do have radicals in the highest positions of power in the central government.

We do have a eugenicist radical advising THE ONE.

We have seen eugenics practiced in America before now, under the ideological fathers of THE ONE.
#225

On August 8th, 2009 at 10:32 am, TigerLady said:

Perhaps they will remove them from their homes/families and cart them off to a “nursing home” to await the inevitable.

I think they will find waiting for the inevitable a process too long and costly. It’s clearly better to get it over with quickly. Will anyone question chimneys spewing smoke and ash all day long?
#226

On August 8th, 2009 at 10:35 am, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

Looking for a piece of good news, after a dozen banks were FDIC faliures in the last week of July, I am pleased to report that there were only 3 additions so far this week.

Of course as with any government economic news that could be revised upward at any time.
#227

On August 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

Although on the other hand there is strong evidence that last weeks treasury auction was a total flop.

And with more scheduled the outlook is not good.
#228

On August 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am, happyscrapper said:

Well, they just administered the oath to our new Justice of the Supreme Court. Every single sentence in that oath required her to lie. And, when will they STOP referring her to “the first Hispanic”…etc.??? This is disgusting. I used to think we were all Americans. But some apparently are more “special” Americans than others. How nice.
#230

On August 8th, 2009 at 11:18 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

“That is such a freaking joke. These people want no debate.”

Given the level of dishonesty from the get go it would be absurd to believe they want any debate. After all it is still being referred to as insurance reform by the President and his supporters.
#231

On August 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am, happyscrapper said:

They keep saying that we are not allowing the crapweasels to speak, but are shouting them down. On one hand, they are right and it does make us look bad. WE know that the first things out of their mouths are liberal talking point lies. But the MSM reports that we won’t let them speak. They don’t understand and never will, that we have already heard what they have to say and nothing will change by listening to it again!! It is incredible hypocracy of these people to criticize the angry citizens of this country for lawful assembly! To “accuse” us of “organizing” when that is exactly what their ACORN and SEIU thugs have done for years. Do they think we don’t know that?? What kind of strange alien creatures are we dealing with here?
#232

On August 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

The tide is definitely turning to our side. Today’s Riehl World View comments on Sarah Palin opening another battle front against Obama (this is going to be huge) and today at Powerline, Paul Rahe provides a guest article“The Great Awakening that is must reading.

And thanks to the blunders of George W. Bush in office and to the ineptitude of John McCain, who had made a career of betraying his own side, Obama managed to win.

The only question is whether the Republicans have the wit to take full advantage of the opportunity that Barack Obama has handed them.

These are not sentiments I am used to seeing at Powerline, one of the truly great websites, where I was once admonished by John Hinderaker that “conservatives don’t get to choose”. It is refreshing to see them finally yanking on their lifeline to the GOP. You can only stretch your intellectual integrity so far before you have to decide. Make the jump guys! Free yourselves!
#233

On August 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, iamsaved said:

I’d like to see some fair and balanced reporting. We haven’t seen any disruptive town hall meetings for Republican Congressmen. Where’s the fairness in that? /sarc

While I’m sure there are those whose sole purpose is to disrupt these townhall meetings, I believe for the most part, the citizens are angry and frustrated. They raise their voices because they know their elected representatives have turned selectively deaf – both in hearing the spoken word and the written. The normal response by the constituents is to make some noise hoping they might get through to them.

These Democrats better watch their step because if they continue to attack and marginalize their constituents, they will be losing their jobs. This goes for fence sitting Republicans too.
#234

On August 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

iamsaved: these townhalls wouldn’t be so raucous were the congressmen to suddenly show up prepared to actually discuss the bill. So long as they merely restate their disengenuous (fraudulent) talking points, they will be treated with the same disdain that would be expected from people who are being lied to so condescendingly. Bald-faced lying is not only rude, it is insulting. It takes at least two mature grown-ups to have a civilization. When are our politicians going to grow up and join us?
#235

On August 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

More momentum gathering: Fox News reporting that Judge Andrew Napolitano is warning that Team Obama’s “fishy” snitching campaign is likely illegal.

“If the White House deletes anything, it violates one statute. If the White House collects data on the free speech, it violates another statute.”

Napolitano was referring to the Privacy Act of 1974, which was passed after the Nixon administration used federal agencies to illegally investigate individuals for political purposes.

It’s great being us.
#236

On August 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pm, John Deaux said:

On August 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am, happyscrapper said:
They keep saying that we are not allowing the crapweasels to speak, but are shouting them down.

Yet the same tactics when applied by lefties are frustrated citizens expressing their outrage.

One of Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals is to make your enemy live by their standards. We ARE the radicals now.

We need to push for those SEIU thugs who beat Kenneth Gladney to be charged with a hate crime. If the SEIU instructed them to be there, they need to be sued in civil court. Their playbook will work just as well against them.
#238

On August 8th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, William said:

So, to sum it up, the leftist, fifth columnists, liberal left leaning democrats are employing projecting their own “sins,” or bad behavior, violence, or hatred, if you will, onto those normal US citizens who are outraged at the Government and who have decided to employ their constitutional right to freedom of assembly and t redress their grievances.

US citizens opposing these government affronts to reason, freedom, liberty, and choice, never have come even close to the level of violence, hatred, and maliciousness as the leftists who get a pass on their deplorable behavior.
#239

On August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, happyscrapper said:

On August 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, iamsaved said:
These Democrats better watch their step because if they continue to attack and marginalize their constituents, they will be losing their jobs. This goes for fence sitting Republicans too.

What do you mean, “if they continue”??? They are toast…NOW. There is nothing they can do to change our minds. They have already shown their positions. And they WILL.BE.FIRED.
#240

On August 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

William: you missed one important point. The leftists are being funded by our taxes.

I wish someone out there with credentials and experience in constitutional law would explore and report on why we can apply the Hatch Act to prevent government employees from engaging in partisan politics yet having politicians call on the SEIU and ACORN, both funded with our taxes, is legal.

I maintain that government unions are not only unconstitutional, but anathema to the proper functioning of a free democracy.
#241

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, Patronedheart said:

Everybody keeps talking about 2010, and 2012 as if it’s the answer to our prayers to end this thug’s reign, but what if…just what if….they rig those elections in their favor as well? What do we do then?
#242

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

Patronheart: What we risk is that people will once again hold their noses to vote automatically for the Republican candidate. That is not the answer. If the elections do get rigged, I expect that the “Gangs of McCain/Steele” GOP will have a role in it.

Both parties are at war with us conservatives. That is why we need to press the Tea Party movement and be in all of their faces at the townhalls. What we do by September 12 may very well break up this tyranny.

If you think all is lost, why are you even here?
#243

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, Patronedheart said:

I’m too much of a fighter to think all is lost. I was just proposing a scenario that needs to be considered so we can adapt and overcome. All is not lost, but there is too much to lose to just give up.
#244

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, happyscrapper said:

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, Patronedheart said:
Everybody keeps talking about 2010, and 2012 as if it’s the answer to our prayers to end this thug’s reign, but what if…just what if….they rig those elections in their favor as well? What do we do then?

I wonder if it would be possible to have the National Guard at the polls next election. Don’t the states have the authority to call them out? Or does it have to be Obama? If we can’t guard the polls and assure the accuracy of the machines that count the votes, we are in big trouble. Any other solution suggestions would be premature. But remember, we are at war with traitors trying to take over our Republic and socialize it. Never forget that. They have played their hand.
#245

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, happyscrapper said:

I wonder how many people will show up in DC on Sept. 12th. And I wonder what the libs in DC are working on to suppress the rally? You can be sure they will not make it easy! If enough people can afford to gather there, it could be massive!!
#246

On August 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Azygos said:

I did not read all the comments so this may have already been suggested. When you all go out to eat or go on vacation ask the person you are about to tip if they belong to the SEIU union. If they are do not tip them and tell them why. It won’t take long for them to turn on the union when their financial future is threatened.
#248

On August 8th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

Just got home from Memphis Steve Cohens’ townhall meeting. It was interesting to say the least and he regurgitated every democrat talking point and when the doctors rose to speak-most them directly challenged this bill.

I’ll try to get video downloaded as soon as possible. His denying that congress will have a seperate health care system and that abortion isn’t in the bill was priceless.

Cohen’s body language spoke volumes while he quickly tried to shuffle them off.

GSP
#249

On August 8th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, Ragspierre said:

So here we are in New York, an overwhelmingly blue state, and Democrats are too afraid to even hold public meetings. Do they not stop for even a second and ask why their constituents might not want to be forced into a government-run operation that they themselves aren’t fully clear about?

But no, they have their marching orders from Queen Pelosi and King Obama and damn the people who elected them.

This is not the democratic process. Indeed, it’s mob rule, the mob reigns from Washington and you peasants better just get out of the way and shut up.

These Democrats who don’t want to bother meeting the people who elected them may not have such concerns any longer once the 2010 midterms roll around. They’ll have plenty of time on their hands when they’re booted from office.

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/08/cowardly-dems-hold-stealth-care.html

Blue districts.

Chicken CongressCowards.

Hmmm… Something’s afoot out there in the hustings…
#250

On August 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

This entire healthcare situation should scare everyone. The people in the Obama administration who are pushing healthcare are social Darwinists. For those who don’t know history, the concept of Social Darwinism led to the the eugenics movement and NAZI Germany’s genocide and master race behavior. None of our kids or grandkids are aware of this because the Americans beat it back when WW-II was won by the allied forces. Now it emerges in its ugliest form – the potential destruction of the handicapped and elderly.

You either believe that the state works for the people, a concept of citizenship, or the people work for the state, a concept of subjugation. Europe comes from this latter perspective because its history includes monarchy. America was founded on the opposite and its foundation is the Judeo-Christian concept that every life is precious and sacred.

Obama is a secular socialist with a utilitarian view of people. God help us.
#251

On August 8th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, Random63 said:

On August 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, Patronedheart said:
Everybody keeps talking about 2010, and 2012 as if it’s the answer to our prayers to end this thug’s reign, but what if…just what if….they rig those elections in their favor as well? What do we do then?

First of all, I would like to see our election supervisors require not only a picture ID to vote, but also everyone that votes dip their finger in ink like they did in Iraq.

Second, I do believe deep in my heart that the 2010 elections will be rigged and blatantly so. These Chicago thugs will not give up power.

These folks in ACORN, the unions, and other groups don’t understand that when they destroy the public trust in our voting system, they destroy our history of peaceful transfer of power every four years. All they care about is getting their guy in and keeping him there no matter the cost. But there is a cost, and I see it every election lately.
What has kept us separate from the banana republics and their violent transfers of power are fair elections. When the public has trust in the election system, they know they can “redress their grievances” peacefully and ensure continued good governance of our nation. Once the public’s trust is broken, then they will have no other option to “redress their grievances” peacefully. That will eventually lead to violent transfers of power. I don’t want to see that happen but we are well on our way there.

The options given to us by the Founding Fathers are the soap box, ballot box, jury box, and cartridge box. If the first three are ignored by the government who will not listen, then the fourth box comes into use.

Over 2 million guns have been bought in the US since the election. Enough to arm the armies of India and China. There are still ammo shortages throughout the USA. America has been arming its self. America does not know why consciously, but unconsciously it does know why. America knows its government is going to wage war with it and America will have to protect its self.

I sincerely wish this would not come to pass in my lifetime, but who has the ability to choose when they will be born in history? Did our Founding Fathers get to choose when they would be born? No, they did not and neither do we. As they faced the tyrannical government that oppressed them with courage and conviction, so shall America.

This is the start of the long struggle and our Founding Father’s ideas will be reborn or will die depending on what we as a people and as a nation choose to do.

Be safe and well.
#253

On August 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

Random63-Well said.

GSP
“This is Sparta!”
#255

On August 8th, 2009 at 8:34 pm, Bruce said:

On August 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pm, nativeaz08 said:
Hey Michelle …
Liberals posters on other blogs are stating you are advocating and encouraging people to carry firearms to townhall meetings.
Just wanted you to know …

Typical liberal BS. That said – if one is licensed to carry a concealed weapon – you carry it. Or are we not allowed to protect ourselves and our families? Are we to stand idly by while a bunch of SIEU punks who think they’re tough guys (against women and smaller men) push us around? Not on your life.

Happyscrapper asked about National Guard activation. The answer is national Guard is under the control of the state Governor. Only the Governor can call up the Guard.
#256

On August 8th, 2009 at 10:29 pm, BrianNY said:

OBAMA:

‘I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess’…

Did you hear that Chris Dodd? Janet Reno? Barney Frank? Fannie? Freddie? ACORN?
The Messiah is ordering you to get out of the way.
#257

On August 8th, 2009 at 10:52 pm, Rorschach said:

If you are a CHL/CCW holder and you attend one of these meetings, make sure and go armed. If they bring a knife, we need to bring a gun. Do not, under any circumstances, instigate the fight, but if the fight comes, put the union thug down on the ground, preferably handcuffed and arrested by the proper authorities, but bleeding from a sucking chest wound if necessary.
#258

On August 9th, 2009 at 5:51 am, Lockstein13 said:

To posters #140 and #187 (and Michelle):

see #189.
#259

On August 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am, Solo said:

see #189.

What is wrong with post #189?
#260

On August 9th, 2009 at 9:37 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

An armed society is a polite society.
#261

On August 9th, 2009 at 9:40 am, Rorschach said:

She is not advocating that, *I* am. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. if a union thug starts trying to hurt you, you have the right and responsibility to defend yourself. If the thug refuses to comply with your demands to stop the attack and continues the attack, you have the right and responsibility to put the SOB on the ground, dead or alive I don’t particularly care. The thug abdicated his right to continue breathing when he attacked an innocent person.
#262

On August 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am, Lockstein13 said:

Dear Rorschach, I was only pointing out to what the morons on the left could possibly have been referring. I understand your point completely.
#263

On August 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, Rorschach said:

And if it does come to you putting a bullet in one of these thugs, they’ll get a first hand look at what government run health care is all about.